yikes Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 BREAKING NEWS: PACQUIAO-VALERO ALMOST DONE! Top Rank promoter Bob Arum hopes to finalize the first title defense of newly crowned World Boxing Council lightweight champion and Filipino national treasure Manny Pacquiao against undefeated KO artist Edwin Valero in a meeting in Las Vegas on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment
DJTranz Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 pre, wala pa kong makitang malinaw eh..hehe try ko maghanap :thumbsupsmiley: http://calvinshub.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/celtics.jpg salamatz pre Quote Link to comment
wizard23 Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 BREAKING NEWS: PACQUIAO-VALERO ALMOST DONE! Top Rank promoter Bob Arum hopes to finalize the first title defense of newly crowned World Boxing Council lightweight champion and Filipino national treasure Manny Pacquiao against undefeated KO artist Edwin Valero in a meeting in Las Vegas on Tuesday. wasn't it valero who brutally vanquished bobby pacquiao and manny was there to see it. that's why he was itching to get back at valero for what he did to his brother. this is a good pick for pacman's title defense. iba naman for a change para isa isa nya lampasuhin hehehe Quote Link to comment
bret_hart Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 halatang hinulog ni david diaz ang laban......kung lumaban ng husto si diaz d makakaporma si pacquiao kaso dahil sa liit ng kita ni diaz sa laban sa mafia gambling siya pumusta at least panalo siya dapat yung mga ganitong tao ang nakakatikim ng suntok ni Pacman eh... Quote Link to comment
Eddy Syet Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 You mean lightweight division? There are no big names in that division. The WBA, IBF, & WBO champ is Nate Campbell and he's 32-5! How many 5-time losers have a belt? Not many unless you're Oscar who also has lost 5 times. By the way, ol' Nate is already 36 years old Ganun ba?... haaayyyzzz... kalabanin na lang ni PacMan yung tumalo kay Klitcshko! Dapat may asero si PacMan para yun ang panapat sa handicap! :cool: Quote Link to comment
jerzz Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 wasn't it valero who brutally vanquished bobby pacquiao and manny was there to see it. that's why he was itching to get back at valero for what he did to his brother. this is a good pick for pacman's title defense. iba naman for a change para isa isa nya lampasuhin hehehe Hindi ata si Valero yun Lets forget Bobby Pacquaio, he is a disgrace and a very dirty fighter who almost always aims at the lower head Bobby's last fight was against Urbano Antillion wherein he was knock out in the first round, 28-14 is his record Quote Link to comment
bret_hart Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Calderon in, retired Mayweather out in June's pound-for-pound rankingsBy Dan RafaelESPN.com Top 10 P4P Quote Link to comment
omega_jef Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 'yong MP production ba kay Manny Pacquaio? Quote Link to comment
omega_jef Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 bagay na bagay 'yong banner ng mga pinoy na "X-mark sa names nila barerra, morales, marquez, and diaz then is there no one else?" hehehe parang si Brad Pitt... Quote Link to comment
LYCHEE Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) Bring on Valero. His last 2 fights were against Shimada 2 weeks ago, and Zavaleta in Dec. (tricycle drivers maybe?). Not only that Valero would have to move up to 135lb. he's got no choice but to go up the weight class if he wants a piece of manny...bata pa itong venezuelan (but based in japan) edwin valero at 26 yo and shows some promise, so evry boxing afficionados expected him to floor the aging 36 yo jap shimada who was a poor replacement to israel perez of argentina... valero's lucky to get a crack of manny's lightweight belt...sana gawin sa pinas (i/o of texas where valero hs been given a license to fight), where p4p-pacman will once n for all can end valero's wistful thinking.. Edited June 30, 2008 by LYCHEE Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Calderon in, retired Mayweather out in June's pound-for-pound rankingsBy Dan RafaelESPN.com Top 10 P4P i cannot agree with the author's choice of his own top 10! i mean jmm is number 3 instead of cotto? and rick hatton and antonio margarito were missing in his top ten? hahaha..scratch the marquez brothers form the list! after sunday's fight, manny should be number one! Quote Link to comment
wrencheart Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 "money's power has increased" my ass hahahahahahaha antay na lang ako sa pagbagsak nito sa canvass against diaz nice prediction... so tanong lang... nakatulog ka na ba? kasi baka until now gising ka pa sa paghihintay ng pagbagsak ni manny sa canvass... sorry to disappoint you, better go to sleep na... kasi di na darating yung antay mong pagbagsak... Quote Link to comment
howard_the_duck Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Calderon in, retired Mayweather out in June's pound-for-pound rankingsBy Dan RafaelESPN.com Top 10 P4PWTF Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 "money's power has increased" my ass hahahahahahaha antay na lang ako sa pagbagsak nito sa canvass against diaz asan na nga pala to? di na nag react pagkatapos ng laban ah..siguro naghihintay pa rin na bumagsak si manny sa panaginip nya...hoy gising na! Quote Link to comment
howard_the_duck Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 manny > :zorro: Quote Link to comment
yikes Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 http://bp3.blogger.com/_BaWeTAWt3VI/SGd1oEQCuhI/AAAAAAAAGNg/Bd6-LlHkQC4/s400/Manny-Pacquiao-KOs--Diaz.jpg http://bp3.blogger.com/_BaWeTAWt3VI/SGdtWIQqH4I/AAAAAAAAGNY/bkEOufNqcLY/S1600-R/bertha-manny-header-3.jpg Quote Link to comment
beastmode Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Congratulations Manny!!!! :thumbsupsmiley: Sana matulungan niya yung biktima ng typhoon Frank saka yung sa M/V Princess of the Stars... Quote Link to comment
boy anis Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Calderon in, retired Mayweather out in June's pound-for-pound rankingsBy Dan RafaelESPN.com Top 10 P4P Luma na ito. Abangan nalang natin ung sa july kasi di pa lumalaban si pacman nun ung number 1 kakalaban lang nun :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
uaeboy25 Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 naalala ko nanaman ang article na to. na nabasa ko before. THINKING BIGCan you imagine Manny Pacquiao fighting Ricky Hatton or Oscar De La Hoya? Crazy? Well then call Pacquiao crazy like a fox. He's thinking big and preparing to follow the yellow brick road to perhaps more fame -- and certainly more fortune.by Nat Gottlieb | Photos by Chris Farina/Top Rank When Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, first went on record late last year saying it is entirely possible that his 130-pound boxer might fight either Hatton or De La Hoya or both this year, more than a few people dismissed the notion as just talk. But Arum kept saying it, and when both De La Hoya and Hatton came out and indicated they would consider facing Pacquiao, it created quite a buzz. While the axiom "styles make fights" is often true, it is also good to remember what the late great trainer Cus D'Amato said when asked what professional boxing was all about: "It's about putting asses in the seats." Buzz can do that. As an attraction, Pacquiao vs. Hatton and/or Oscar would be a pretty big deal," said Larry Merchant, the HBO commentator. "Because of Pacquiao's age (29), and his pound-for-pound power, you couldn't dismiss him. He might not be successful, but he'll make a lot of money and exciting fights." "As an attraction, Pacquiao vs. Hatton and/or Oscar would be a pretty big deal," said Larry Merchant, the HBO commentator. "Because of Pacquiao's age (29), and his pound-for-pound power, you couldn't dismiss him. He might not be successful, but he'll make a lot of money and exciting fights." If Pacquiao fights either of those two, the plan evidently is for the junior lightweight to check in first at a halfway house called the lightweight division, where fights with champions David Diaz and Juan Diaz have been seriously discussed. If Pacquiao is successful in those fights, the buzz would only increase. "If Pacquiao beats Marquez (March 15), and then beats David Diaz and Juan Diaz, who wouldn't want to see him fight Hatton or Oscar?" Merchant said. And while the boys hit harder at lightweight and are as fast as 130-pounders, Merchant thinks Pacquiao could conceivably mop up the division. "Pacquiao is a freak in terms of his punching power," Merchant said. "Pound for pound, Pacquiao is the hardest puncher in boxing, and when you can hit like that it sometimes makes up for shortcomings. At 135, Pacquiao will probably still punch harder than anybody in that weight class." Many fans apparently agree with Merchant. In a recent poll on HBO's boxing website, readers were asked who they thought was the hardest puncher in boxing. The choices were heavyweights Samuel Peter and Wladimir Klitschko, middleweight Kelly Pavlik, welterweight Miguel Cotto and Pacquiao. Over 18,000 voted, and this is what the poll concluded: Peter (7 pct.), Pavlik (15 pct.), Cotto (21 pct.), Klitschko (28 pct.) and Pacquiao (29 pct.) In fighting significantly bigger men, Pacquiao, who began his career as a flyweight (112 pounds), would have more than a little history on his side. There have been numerous instances of smaller men moving way up in weight and successfully challenging a much bigger champion. The most recent example is Roy Jones Jr., who began his career as a junior middleweight in 1989, and then 14 years later challenged and defeated heavyweight champ John Ruiz, while giving away three inches and 33 pounds. Top Rank's vice president and matchmaker Bruce Trampler, who promotes Pacquiao, doesn't think the difference in weight is all that big of an obstacle. "Would you say Miguel Cotto's skills changed when he moved to 147 (from 140)?" Trampler said. "No. He was better able to fight his fight when he went to welterweight, and it may be that Manny will perform better if he doesn't strain himself making 130." But Hatton walks around at around 180 pounds and boils down to 140, and Oscar has fought as high as 160 and has been campaigning at 154. Isn't that a heavy pill to swallow, Bruce? "Stop with the weight, will you?" Trampler said. "Cotto isn't tall (5'7"). Floyd (Mayweather Jr.) is only an inch and a half taller than Manny (5'6 1/2"). Each boxer has his own body, and his own physiology is different than the next man's. Alexis Arguello (Hall of Famer) kept moving up from bantamweight (118) to super lightweight (140), and would have done well had it not been Aaron Pryor (Hall of Famer) waiting for him at 140 (Pryor beat him twice). Often it depends on who you have to fight when you move up." Asked how Pacquiao would do against Hatton and De La Hoya, Merchant had a surprising answer. "On the basis of age, Pacquiao's chances might be better against Oscar (35)," Merchant said. "Hatton is the same age as Pacquiao (29). Pacquiao and Oscar would appear to be a mismatch, especially in height (De La Hoya is 5'10 1/2"), but Oscar is six years older, and would be fighting a big puncher, a phenomenon still in his prime." Arum in a recent interview said pretty much the same thing: "Manny Pacquiao brings a lot to the table against Oscar," Arum said. "He has the speed, a good punch, he takes a good punch. He may be outsized by De La Hoya, but remember, when he fought Barrera (last October) he went into the ring weighing 144 pounds (after weighing in at 130). So it is not out of the question. Certainly not." While Pacquiao has the pressure and expectation of the entire Filipino nation weighing on him, losing to either Hatton or De La Hoya wouldn't necessarily be seen as a career setback. "The point here is Pacquiao would fight Hatton or Oscar for a huge purse, and it would be a no-lose situation," Merchant said. "If he loses to bigger men, so what?" Should either fight actually go down, don't expect to see Pacquiao bulk up and turn into the Incredible Hulk. Speed is the first thing to go when a smaller fighter puts on a lot of extra muscle. "I think if he would fight in the mid 130s when he goes up in weight, he wouldn't lose any speed," Merchant said. Hatton is a perfect example of the perils of putting on more weight. When Hatton first moved up to welterweight to fight Luis Collazo in 2006, he bulked up and weighed in at the limit of 147 before entering the ring at 154. Although Hatton won, he later blamed what was a less than stellar performance on adding the weight, and vowed the next time he fought at welterweight, he would not follow the same script. When Hatton fought welterweight champ Mayweather last December, he weighed in under the limit at 145. And while he lost the fight via knockout, Hatton fought more like the 140-pound version of himself. Perhaps the most famous example of a fighter staying at his best weight despite taking on a bigger man is the great Henry Armstrong, who in 1938 weighed in at just 133 pounds when he beat welterweight champion Barney Ross. That victory made Armstrong the only man in history to own three world titles at the same time (he also was featherweight and lightweight champ). Armstrong then defended his welterweight title eight straight times, while never weighing more than 135 pounds. Although Hatton fought the bigger Mayweather mainly for prestige (and also got paid quite nicely), Trampler says that would not be the driving force behind Pacquiao taking on the Brit or De La Hoya. "Forget boosting careers," Trampler said. "It's all about money. Floyd wanted to fight Oscar and Hatton for the Benjamins, as opposed to Margarito or Cotto for good, but not great purses. Everyone wants to fight an Ali, De La Hoya, Hatton, Leonard and a Pacquaio because they can get paid as opponents. Juan Diaz or (Joel) Casamayor can't make real money unless they fight an attraction. Middleweights who couldn't get arrested are now lining up to fight Kelly Pavlik." Merchant also says money is the reason why so many boxers call out De La Hoya and Pacquiao. "With Oscar it is strictly about money for the other fighters. With Manny, it is also about money in the sense that he can generate the most money of anybody in the lower weight divisions. Plus, if you beat him, or put on a good showing, it will get you many other fights," Merchant said. Pacquiao fighting Hatton or De La Hoya would put plenty of asses in the seats and make everyone involved a great deal of money, which is why you shouldn't be surprised this year to see the Filipino taking on the big boys. ---------------------------------------any way bakit napunta si 16. Chris John sa http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/co...&id=3449751 ???? haha. funny kasi ang known fighters na natalo nya lang is si jmm very controversial pa. haha. kung may nagduda sa pacman-jmm 2 better watch cris john vs jmm. anyway oportunista lang si valero talunin nya muna ung nasa ilalim ng listing ni pacman bago sya maging challenger. Quote Link to comment
barrysaint Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 OT ba ito?can anyone tell me what happened to that pre main bout fight na duguan yung kalbong boxer and he was declared winner by disqualification?malabo reception ko sa web so I could not figure out what happened. bakit parang 5 minutes nakaupo sa canvass yung boxer na duguan and blood coming out of his eyes yata, the referees and the officials were doing nothing parang hinihintay mamatay yung tao. ano yun? fight to death walang gamutan?baka may link kayo of that. sino ba yung boxers na yun? Quote Link to comment
barrysaint Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 halatang hinulog ni david diaz ang laban......kung lumaban ng husto si diaz d makakaporma si pacquiao kaso dahil sa liit ng kita ni diaz sa laban sa mafia gambling siya pumusta at least panalo siyahello? at ano naman ang reason for him to lose intentionally? for purpose of rematch? sana nagpakita man lang siya ng semblance na kaya niya si Pacman. eh the way I saw it kahit na isang kamao lang ni pacman gamitin niya tutumba pa rin si Diaz. LAMPASO TALAGA SIYA BRO. HINDI TALAGA KAYA. NAGULAT SIYA SA CHANGE OF STYLE NI PACMAN. HINDI SIYA NAKA ADJUST. SHOWING NA SLUGGER LANG SIYA NA WALANG UTAK. PACMAN IS DA MAN!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment
azayco Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Calderon in, retired Mayweather out in June's pound-for-pound rankingsBy Dan RafaelESPN.com Top 10 P4P Dan Rafael is What has Calzaghe done to deserve no. 1?Pacman at #2?#@%^#@$(@#!JMM ahead of Cotto?! Hopkins in the top 10?!Vazquez at 7 only?!$#%#$ Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 dun ako natatawa! number 3 si jmm..eh wala namang ginawa yon kundi gumulong lang ng gumulong kay manny! haha Quote Link to comment
hardtohandle Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 wasn't it valero who brutally vanquished bobby pacquiao and manny was there to see it. that's why he was itching to get back at valero for what he did to his brother. this is a good pick for pacman's title defense. iba naman for a change para isa isa nya lampasuhin hehehe Si Humberto Soto yun, yung nadisqualify sa undercard last sunday... OT ba ito?can anyone tell me what happened to that pre main bout fight na duguan yung kalbong boxer and he was declared winner by disqualification?malabo reception ko sa web so I could not figure out what happened. bakit parang 5 minutes nakaupo sa canvass yung boxer na duguan and blood coming out of his eyes yata, the referees and the officials were doing nothing parang hinihintay mamatay yung tao. ano yun? fight to death walang gamutan?baka may link kayo of that. sino ba yung boxers na yun? Humberto Soto disqualified dahil sa rabbit punch... Medyo controversial yung decision ni Joe "Fair but Firm" Cortez dun... As with the P4P list, di naman official yun (and wala namang official org or body na sanctioned talaga magbigay ng title na P4P for a boxer, unless Ring Magazine is a boxing body). Though it makes sense that Smokin' Joe is the no. 1 (look at the date, bago pa yan ng laban ni Manny, pero ngayon, hands down na si Manny na dapat). Quote Link to comment
bubuy Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 wag kasi kayo maniwala sa P4P ng ESPN at ng kung sino sino jan.. when it comes to boxing rankings, only Ring Magazine should be trusted.. Quote Link to comment
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