Cap™ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 wanting to finish the fight fast is for short-tempered individuals. that is probably the case with Ronda. She got way too comfortable with fast fights. Honestly, perfect records aren't really a barometer in women's MMA just because there's only a handful of fighters. I'd still say that Ronda would bounce back after being humbled like that. Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 According to Ronda, she will be back. The UFC is the one at fault here for labeling her the best fighter in the world even if her striking is suspect. Her striking was tested against a truly elite striker in Holly and Ronda failed miserably. There was no technique in her striking. Sugod lang ng sugod. Regarding Gina Carano, it was Justino's power that was too much for Gina. In my opinion, the striking of Cyborg is way better than Ronda's. Furthermore, malakas talaga yung suntok ni Cyborg and yung lakas niya sa pagtakedown. Gina got ground and pounded but Gina was supposed to be saved by the bell. I think Gina could beat Cyborg in a rematch. Nasasabayan ni Gina si Cyborg sa ground. Cyborg tried to submit her but she countered well. Napuruhan lang talaga si Gina nun. I think Cyborg vs. Holm would be a good idea since her striking has some technique to it. I think Holly will have the advantage but if Holly gets caught by a haymaker from Cyborg, she might get ground and pounded. You are right Dana and his UFC inflated Rondas ego way too much. Someone should have said outloud that the emperor didnt have any clothes on. Ronda is good-looking and they wanted her to be the poster-girl for the UFC. She attracted new crowd. Let's face it, before her the UFC is not really so popular among female audience. I know she sort of predicted her own defeat with Holly, but it seems she her ego was deluding her in that fight. Thinking she could compete in a striking match against a legitimate world boxing champ.... ended up getting her ass handed over. Cyborg will tear Ronda Rousey apart. He is the female Wanderlei Silva Quote Link to comment
Cap™ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The only parallel to Ronda is Anderson Silva. Silva fell from grace hard and he hasn't regained that lost glory. I don't think he ever will. yeah. an unheralded guy like Weidman beating him twice (with the second one being a gruesome TKO) made him lose it. I think Rousey's fall from grace wouldn't be like that but she'd delve into other stuff (i.e. WWE, acting), so I'd say she'd go the Rampage Jackson fall. Quote Link to comment
Cap™ Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Rampage Jackson got knocked out twice brutally by Wanderlei Silva in Pride FC. However, his star power is nowhere near the magnitude of Rousey and The Spider. you got one thing right: his star power wasn't at par with Ronda's and Anderson's. But that's what would Ronda equate to if she gets keeping sidetracked: eventually go with movie roles and wane away. Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 What a sore loser! Seriously? This is just pathetic! I thought she always called herself a warrior! Galing galing magtrash talk sa hype build up tapos nung natalo tago din pala ng mukha. Quote Link to comment
filibustero Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 How the mighty have fallen. With proper preparation, training, and game plan I think Rousey still has a chance to bounce back. She needs to pick up new moves for her ground game from a different trainer. And get used to dodging or blocking lefts instead of eating them whole. Seriously. She aint injured like Anderson Silva was. Only her ego was crushed. Well, also her face. Quote Link to comment
gwapingsz1 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Her ground game doesn't need any polishing. What needs serious polishing is her striking. I believe there is always room for improvement.Against Holm, Ronda had 2 opportunities to show more of her ground game. However, she failed to hold down Holly. The takedown of Holly where she was on top, Ronda had the chance to work from her guard but no, she preferred standing up. Honestly, I want to see Ronda work on her back and also see how effective her guard is. Edited November 20, 2015 by gwapingsz1 Quote Link to comment
filibustero Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Her ground game doesn't need any polishing. What needs serious polishing is her striking. Going for a striking match against a champion boxer really wouldn't be a good game plan for Rousey. That's how her face got smashed. Add to that Holm's devastating kicks. If anything, she should learn more how to defend against those. As for her ground game, she needs to put in more variety in her style because obviously Holm did het reasearch and was prepared for what Rousey's got. Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Off course it is, you always give the benefit of the doubt to the ex champ. Even if Rousey got beat, you still will favor her in the rematch although it might slightly lessen the odds a bit. Did Weidman get the odds when he beat Silva? Silva was still the odds on favorite coming into the rematch. Same with GSP and Matt Serra 2. GSP was still the favorite. And both champions lost to the challengers in the first match. I could also add the Mike Tyson - Holyfiled 2 fight. Even if Tyson lost in the first fight, he was still the favorite coming into that 2nd fight. Oddsmakers will always favor the longtime champ because they consider the losses an anomaly, a fluke, lucky or whatever they deem it to be. Dana White said Rousey just had a bad night and expects her to come back. So the rematch will be interesting. If Holm beats Rousey again, then you can say that Holm is for real. What got Holm the victory is to how she defended Rousey's clinch and hip throws. If you look at the fight, initially Rousey was standing up with Holm but was being countered every time she traded punches. So what does she do? She goes to her bread and butter, her Judo. But Holm really prepared for her defense of that. Compared to the other fighters that Rousey fought, no one has ever hurt her with their striking. Zingano, Cupcake and Correia could not hurt her there and weren't that adept at defending her throws and takedowns. No one in the world gave Holm a look coming into the fight. Even i didn't know anything about Holm until that fight happened, I was expecting Rousey to come in and finish the fight in 30 seconds or so with her arm bar submission. But was totally surprised Holm knocked her out. What's interesting to see is if Rousey is able to figure out how to get Holm in the ground because I don't think she can hurt Holm standing up. She was aggresively looking to get Holm in the clinch but Holm cleverly kept her distance and clocked her a couple of times coming in. If Ronda is able to do it and take her down in the rematch then she can avenge that lost. Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Which is what I find idiotic. How can you favor someone who got clearly dominated and knocked out? I wouldn't mind if Rousey got beat by a lucky punch, which you can consider a fluke. However, Ronda was clearly dominated and knocked out brutally. Holly picked her apart and made Ronda look like an amateur in the cage. I don't think Weidman's win in their first match was a fluke. Weidman took Silva down with ease. Weidman had Silva figured out. To make matters worse, Silva clowned around and, in my opinion, Weidman got inside his head, hence, the clowning around. It's the track record mason, you always give the benefit to the track record and reputation of the fighter when you take into account on who you give the odds to. Case in point, the Weidman fight. When Weidman won by knockout against Silva. People said that Anderson was clowning around and he got caught. You said it yourself, that he was clowning around. So the fans thought including me (I'm a Silva Fan, still is) that Anderson got what he deserved and it was his hubris that is what brought him down. They said that Weidman got lucky with the punch and that Silva was playing around that's why he lost. That's why he was still given the odds on favor coming into the 2nd fight. Let's play a role reversal here. But I'll use Pacquiao and Mayweather. Let's put Pacquiao in Ronda's role and say that he is the champ and he hasn't lost and has been dominating fights just like Ronda. Mayweather is in Holms' role. So start of the fight, Mayweather beats Pacquiao because he figured out that Pacquiao likes to brawl and is aggresive, so Mayweather cleverly figures out how to defend the aggressive inside game of Pacquiao and beats him just like Holm did with Rousey. On their rematch will you give the odds on favor to Mayweather because he beat Pacquiao because he was totally dominated by Mayweather in the first fight? I say no because if you take into account the track record of the fighter before the fight, Undefeated, has won in dominating fashion before this one fight. That's why oddsmakers still pick the ex champ and this is how i think they pick who the odds on favorite is based on this fact. Going back to Rousey, I'm thinking her game plan is to be able to get close to Holm to get the advantage but it will be difficult given the fact that Holm will be expecting it. I almost forgot as well that Holm used her kicks effectively, she was actually chipping away on Ronda's inside leg with her side kicks. Something the other fighters that Ronda fought didn't do and now they probably know now seeing as it has some effect on Ronda. But watching the fight, Holm outclassed Ronda in that fight. I might give the slight edge to Rousey again in the rematch because of how she responds to a fight. But if she comes into the rematch and she still can't figure out Holms' defense then I can say that Ronda flaw would be exposed because it would show that she can't defeat a fighter who has punching power and pretty good kickboxer. I can't even classify Holm as a Muai Thai specialist as she doesn't utilize the Thai clinch that much, she is more of a boxer but can mix it up with some pretty good kicks. The 2nd fight will be interesting. I just want to see how Ronda would respond to a fighter like Holly Holm. Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I did. I thought that if the fight was kept standing, she would beat Ronda by decision. However, I thought that if Ronda took her down, she was dead. I was wrong, so wrong. Holly had something which the other challengers didn't have, an excellent submission defense. Once Rousey's finishing sequence was figured out, she was done for. I don't think Ronda will take Holly down and submit her. Unless, of course, Holly becomes overconfident and complacent. I don't think Holm will be complacent, she doesn't strike me as cocky or brash like Ronda is. But it will be interesting to see how Holly would respond if she gets taken down by Rousey. If Ronda does take her down I'm sure that Holm would be able to respond and prevent the arm bar. Ronda just might do some more training with her wrestling to take down Holm maybe get some training time with Daniel Cormier or some fighter with world class wrestling specialty. Or mix it up a bit and use some kicks like Holm did with her. But like i said, it will be interesting what she does to respond to Holms' technique Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 By the way, you're not the one I am calling idiotic. It's the oddsmakers I am calling idiotic. Yes, Silva was clowning around but Weidman also took Silva down with ease and ground and pounded him. Wiedman clearly dominated the first round in their first fight. In my opinion, Anderson clowned around because Weidman got into his head. I don't think it was Weidman who got in his head, Silva has done these clowning tactics of his before (e.g. Bonnar fight). I think it was stupid of him, to be doing these tactics anyway since he started doing them, eventually it caught up with him. He has been doing these type of tactics in his fights and has been able to win under these circumstances before the Weidman fight. I think it's been always his tactic to lower his hands and weave his head around to lure the opponent to lunge and throw a punch, miss and then counter. not to mention its also to get into the head of the opponent to make a mistake. Of course, Weidman saw thru that and didn't get bothered with Silva's tactics. Well that's how i think oddsmakers give the favor to a fighter. It's the track record. its not because of the one fight where they lost. They think it was because of a lucky punch, or it was a bad night for the fighter that's why they lost but they still credit to what the fighter did in their past fights which give them the favor. Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The thing is Ronda clearly got outclassed because she didn't have a clue on what to do in the stand-up. Once Holly neutralized her ground game, that was the beginning of the end for her. Ronda was clearly out of Holly's league in the stand-up. Rousey has not technique except to move forward and punch. Point taken but you cannot overlook what Holly did against Ronda. No of course not, Holm really did outclass Ronda and dominated her. But i can't overlook what Ronda did in her previous fights. She did win in dominating fashion against some of the most decorated fighters in her division after all. That's why it will be interesting to see the rematch and how Rousey will respond. If she still loses to Holm in the same dominating fashion. it will be the end of Rousey's career i think. Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Yes, but none of them with the striking ability, footwork and take down Holly has. Well Holly hasn't fought the fighters that Rousey has fought. She hasn't fought Zingano, Tate or Correia. I think it just came down to the style that won Holm. If Dana White puts Holly Holm against some of the fighters that Rousey fought, it might be interesting to see if Holly's style would win against fighters like Tate. Who happens to be the number 1 contender right now And as for Silva's clowning. I don't think it was the Weidman takedown's that got him to clown. He's been doing it in his previous fights. Watch the Silva-Sonnen fight. The first time they fought. Sonnen did exactly the same thing you were saying as to what Weidman did and that was to takedown Silva almost at will the whole fight. Why didn't Silva clown around if Sonnen was taking him down? THe clowning has been common with Silva and the Weidman fight was no different. He didn't respect Weidman and that's why led to him getting knocked out. Weidman just didn't buy into the psychological mind games the Silva was playing. He was playing a dangerous game and that's what resulted in him being put to sleep Edited November 26, 2015 by hahnz Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) I think he was overconfident with Chael Sonnen. He knew with Weidman, there was gonna be a chance he would lose because of Wiedman's style of fighting. Silva's weakness was being easily taken down which was demonstrated by Henderson and Sonnen. Furthermore, Wiedman is a far superior striker than Sonnen or Henderson. Holly was in Ronda's head because Ronda knew Holly brought something vastly different from her previous opponents and that was championship striking. Hence, she uncharacteristically charged at Holly during the weigh-ins, something she didn't do with any of her previous fights. I think Silva did the clowning to mask his insecurity that Wiedman could beat him. How do you know Silva knew there was a chance he would lose to Weidman? By watching how he was acting towards Weidman? First off, i don't think a fighter comes into the ring and thinks they would lose. Why fight at all if you think you will lose to your opponent. They don't come with a defeatist mentality they come in the ring thinking of winning. In Silva he was confidently thinking he was gonna win this fight. I don't think there was anything different in his approach towards Weidman with his previous opponents. If anything he thought, he would breeze by Weidman like he did the others. By clowning around as usual. THe only difference is, he got so overconfident he got nailed by Weidman. 2nd fight, he wasn't clowning anymore. So he's being serious about the fight now because he got humiliated with the 1st loss. But father time caught up with him and his shin broke for a kick he normally does. As for the clowning and the taunting. This wasn't new to Silva. So your theory about Weidman being in Silva's head wasn't true. If anything he overconfident thinking that this was gonna be another easy fight like the rest. Watch the fights between Silva vs Forest Griffin, Demian Maia. Especially the Maia fight in UFC 112. He was clowning and taunting Maia. Same thing with the 1st Weidman fight. He just got overconfident and it bit him in the a.ss Here is a video of Dana White in the post fight presser of UFC 112. He was talking about how Anderson was crazy in clowning and showboating in the Maia fight. Nothing different in how he was clowning with Weidman. Only difference was, he didn't win with his clowning against Weidman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7RzsT_9AYs As for Rousey. There wasn't anything different about Rousey's gameplan in the fight. She was looking to grab Holly and get her to the ground. Problem was she probably miscalculated as to how good Holly's defense was because she couldn't come in fast enough. Anyway to put my thoughts into this fight. Rousey just fought someone she thought she could overcome with her skill set. If they fight in a rematch, we'll see if she changes her style a bit or has something planned to get Holly to the ground Edited November 26, 2015 by hahnz Quote Link to comment
Guiness Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I made a sweeping statement but I forgot to mention that I was basing this on the actual fight, specifically, the first round of their first fight. Weidman was dominating Silva on the ground in, virtually, the whole of the first round. I am speculating but my speculation is based on this fact of Weidman dominating Silva on the ground in the first round with Silva having limited offensive options because of his inferior position on the ground. I think Silva was getting insecure by the second round, hence, the clowning around. He was getting insecure because he was getting dominated and he tried to mask that insecurity by being arrogant and foolishly clowning around. The last statement is my speculation based on what happened in the first round. But why would he be insecure? he's the champion, he doesn't need to be insecure to a challenger. Even Joe Rogan was commenting on his clowning around during the fight putting his hands down as if he was trying to taunt Weidman to throw a punch. I think it was disrespectful for him to be not taking the fight seriously and playing around. Dana White also said he was playing around and he got caught". So in closing, if you don't take a fight seriously you will get caught and that's what happened to Silva. The octagon is not a place to be playing around. In the Nick Diaz fight, Diaz was mocking Anderson by laying down and doing the same clowning tactics Silva was doing in his fights. talk about giving the guy a dose of his own medicine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TauPWope2RI Quote Link to comment
dancelyador Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 just checked back the fight line up for FN 79 and there was 2 Dong Hyun Kim is this a juan dela cruz equivalent here they both look the same though Quote Link to comment
dancelyador Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 me too i agree edgar has an edge compared to mendez, with his takedowns and wresling game plus he do not get tired easily compared to mendez. i believe connor will win the figth though aldo has been unbeaten for 10years. this would be the start of new figthers era . Quote Link to comment
Cap™ Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 so, Aldo-McGregor's gonna be this Sunday. Methinks Aldo's gonna win but I sure hope Conor upsets him and continues on his brashness Quote Link to comment
seventwentyone Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Aldo all the way! Quote Link to comment
Cap™ Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 edit: it's next Sunday pala. Kuryente ako sa Yahoo Sports hahaha Quote Link to comment
cappybara Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Aldo or McGregor for the upcoming ufc 194? Quote Link to comment
dragopilipinas Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Jose Aldo will definitely win this either KO, submission or decision. Quote Link to comment
Cap™ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Aldo or McGregor for the upcoming ufc 194? I'd say Aldo as well but if Conor got into Aldo's head for the longest time (not to mention the numerous layoffs Aldo had), Conor might pull it off. Quote Link to comment
Cap™ Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 The guy speaks fluent Tagalog. I wouldn't say fluent though. hahaha. But he goes home like once every three months now that he's not in the UFC anymore. Speaking of, I just wanna get everyone's view on Chris Weidman. I don't think he's a sellable champion, thus always being in McGregor's undercard. Dos Anjos isn't sellable too IMO Quote Link to comment
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