Duterte's Presidency : Expectations, Controversies, Rants, Etc.

[haroots2]

Tulad ng sinabi ko...bakit di mo muna alamin kung bakit hindi naimplement. Kung ano ang cause of delay o kung talagang walang planong maiimplement tulad ng spekulasyon mo.

 

Oh btw, did they really waste their time planning when in fact eto nga walang kahirap hirap ang administrasyong ito sa pag plano eh dutertards are already giving all the credits. Wala pang nauumpisahan diyan ha tandaan natin ... Nilatag lang nila un mga plan naplinano ng ibang administrasyon na wala naman silang inambag.

 

They allocated a budget for 2017 so that means they really have an intention to act on it.

Last admin plan came from NEDA and other agencies, hindi naman palpak yung mga nagisip magplano para guminhawa ang bansa Ang palpak ay yung ulo kasi walang ginawa sa planong binigay sa kanya. Wala kasing diskarte, kaya konting aberya ibabasura na lang. Itanong mo kaya kay Abaya, ang gagalong ng mga sagot niya.

[rooster69ph]

They allocated a budget for 2017 so that means they really have an intention to act on it.

Last admin plan came from NEDA and other agencies, hindi naman palpak yung mga nagisip magplano para guminhawa ang bansa Ang palpak ay yung ulo kasi walang ginawa sa planong binigay sa kanya. Wala kasing diskarte, kaya konting aberya ibabasura na lang. Itanong mo kaya kay Abaya, ang gagalong ng mga sagot niya.

Pag PPP ba ang funding you need to budget it? Isip isip

[haroots2]

Pag PPP ba ang funding you need to budget it? Isip isip

 

How sure are you that all infra projects are all finance thru PPP para wala nang ng i allocate ng budget? Ano ba ang pinagpmamalaki mong naging problema ni Pnoy at okay lang na hindi ma implement?

[rooster69ph]

How sure are you that all infra projects are all finance thru PPP para wala nang ng i allocate ng budget? Ano ba ang pinagpmamalaki mong naging problema ni Pnoy at okay lang na hindi ma implement?

One word: research

Edited November 5, 2016 by rooster69ph

[haroots2]

One word: research

Answer: Incompetent

[rooster69ph]

How sure are you that all infra projects are all finance thru PPP para wala nang ng i allocate ng budget?

 

Answer: Incompetent

 

The issue on hand is why PNoy did not include in the budget projects to be financed thru PPP and you're telling me its because of incompetence. Do you really know what PPP is and how it works?

 

So kindly enlighten me how "incompetent" comes into play for not including projects to be financed thru PPP comes into play. I would like to see where you are coming from.

Edited November 5, 2016 by rooster69ph

[jopoc]

Magaling talaga sa planning si Pnoy nuon, kaso, hanggang planning lang.

Kaya itutuloy ng admin ngayon para tutoong maramdaman

 

Duterte administration to hasten construction of Clark Green City — BCDA official

http://news.mb.com.ph/2016/11/04/duterte-administration-to-hasten-construction-of-clark-green-city-bcda-official/

 

”Since this is a very good plan, we will not only pursue this, but we will hasten its implementation and construction,” BCDA President and Chief Executive Officer Vivencio ‘Vince’ Dizon said in a press briefing in Malacañang last Thursday.

Dizon said the 9,500-hectare Clark Green City project was conceptualized by the previous administration of President Benigno Aquino III.

”We salute the Aquino administration because this is a very good project. It was a brainchild of former BCDA President Arnel Casanova,” Dizon said.

He said the Clark Green City will help a lot in the long-term vision of the Duterte administration to decongest over populated Metro Manila.

”Metro Manila is one of the densest cities in the world. So the long-term solution to traffic and congestion is we have to build new cities where our countrymen can transfer,” Dizon said.

In line with the construction of the Clark Green City, Dizon said the Duterte administration has lined-up the construction of the Clark-Manila railway and a world-class new terminal building of the Clark International Airport.

The BCDA, under the previous administration, has partnered with Japanese and European investors to develop the Clark Green City.

He said the Clark Green City would create big number of jobs and opportunities because many private companies and even government offices will be enticed to transfer in the proposed new city.

 

as of this day, planning pa rin mga yan for digong..... balikan mo ako pag IMPLEMENTED na yan lahat.

 

 

 

 

Breaking News: Leyte Mayor Rolando Espinosa killed in ‘firefight’ inside jail

 

 

a small town mayor isnt really a big time criminal compared to the likes of Peter Lim and Nur Misuari

 

besides, how can you celebrate his killing when it is obviously EJK ?

undeniable na state-sanctioned na yan.... mayor was already in the custody of the government tapos seserban ng warrant of arrest at 4am? tapos manlalaban pa?

 

you would really be a blind follower to still deny EJK.

 

 

 

 

 

Boss Jopoc, di po galing ke Pnoy ang NLEX - SLEX idea dahil April 2010 pa po yan nai propose sa DPWH, di pa po si Pnoy presidente nun.

 

 

 

i was talking about IMPLEMENTATION, not planning.... madali lang mag planning....

[Edmund Dantes]

 

 

a small town mayor isnt really a big time criminal compared to the likes of Peter Lim and Nur Misuari

 

besides, how can you celebrate his killing when it is obviously EJK ?

undeniable na state-sanctioned na yan.... mayor was already in the custody of the government tapos seserban ng warrant of arrest at 4am? tapos manlalaban pa?

 

you would really be a blind follower to still deny EJK.

 

 

Eh bakit noon reklamo ka ng reklamo ng hindi pa inaaresto itong mayor na ito? Sabi mo to a certain effect, basta mayaman ba hindi kaagad agad hinuhuli pero pag mahirap patay kaagad. Nung nahuli na yun tao, nasatisfy ka ba? Nung napatay nga, tumigil ka na ba ng reklamo? Aba syempre hindi.

 

O ngayon naman small time lang sya. Gusto mo si Nur At Peter Lim naman susunod. Eh di pano? Gaya ng dati?

 

Dahil hindi hinuhuli = Walang aksyon

Pag nahuli at kinulong = Preferential treatment (albeit pag mayaman me due process pag mahirap patay agad)

Pag napatay = Extra judicial killing naman.

 

O ano pa pala dapat gawin kung lahat na lang mali

[camiar]

 

as of this day, planning pa rin mga yan for digong..... balikan mo ako pag IMPLEMENTED na yan lahat.

 

 

i was talking about IMPLEMENTATION, not planning.... madali lang mag planning....

 

If I'm not wrong, this Clark Green City project has been on the drawing board from way back during GMA's administration. I think this is one of the projects she was working on towards the end of her term. Apparently, there are already investors willing to get things going. This is multi-billion dollar project. Hindi ito planning stage. May plano na. Implementation na lang ang inaantay nito. Related dito yung Manila-Clark railway project.

 

Another is the Solar-ARCC-led International Airport and Seaport Gateway project at Sangley Point. The plan has been languishing during Abnoy's administration. Ngayon may linaw na. The plan is so grand it will take 10 years to build both the Airport and Seaport on land to be reclaimed across Sangley Point.

 

In fairness to Digong, he has a team who are competent enough to implement projects, unlike his predecessor, the infamously inept Abnoy-Mar administration.

 

I'll dig more information about this project and update you guys.

 

Palagay ko, me chance na maumpisahan at ma-construct ito substantially during Digong's time.

Edited November 6, 2016 by camiar

[haroots2]

 

 

 

 

The issue on hand is why PNoy did not include in the budget projects to be financed thru PPP and you're telling me its because of incompetence. Do you really know what PPP is and how it works?

 

So kindly enlighten me how "incompetent" comes into play for not including projects to be financed thru PPP comes into play. I would like to see where you are coming from.

 

Kahit saan nila makuha yung financial needs sa project ang problem pa rin yung political will and implementation expertise. Kung sabagay kung papalpak din lang naman mag implement huwag na lang.

[rooster69ph]

 

Kahit saan nila makuha yung financial needs sa project ang problem pa rin yung political will and implementation expertise. Kung sabagay kung papalpak din lang naman mag implement huwag na lang.

 

wag mo ilayo ang usapan ...you are questioning why the gov't did not budget it.

 

pinpointed na PPP ang source of funding ...

 

ang tanong if PPP ang source of funding do the government still need to BUDGET it?

[jopoc]

 

Eh bakit noon reklamo ka ng reklamo ng hindi pa inaaresto itong mayor na ito? Sabi mo to a certain effect, basta mayaman ba hindi kaagad agad hinuhuli pero pag mahirap patay kaagad. Nung nahuli na yun tao, nasatisfy ka ba? Nung napatay nga, tumigil ka na ba ng reklamo? Aba syempre hindi.

 

O ngayon naman small time lang sya. Gusto mo si Nur At Peter Lim naman susunod. Eh di pano? Gaya ng dati?

 

Dahil hindi hinuhuli = Walang aksyon

Pag nahuli at kinulong = Preferential treatment (albeit pag mayaman me due process pag mahirap patay agad)

Pag napatay = Extra judicial killing naman.

 

O ano pa pala dapat gawin kung lahat na lang mali

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may narinig ka ba sa akin nung inaresto sya sa bisa ng warrant of arrest????

[haroots2]

 

wag mo ilayo ang usapan ...you are questioning why the gov't did not budget it.

 

pinpointed na PPP ang source of funding ...

 

ang tanong if PPP ang source of funding do the government still need to BUDGET it?

 

You mentioned it before, not all project are funded by PPP 100% right? So ano dapat ganwin dun sa iba? Kaya ko nga sinama yung pag budget just to point out na may intention ang DU30 admin to really implement the project. Pakialam ko kung sa PPP o hindi galing basta maimplement ng maayos yung project para makinabang ang taong bayan. At kung pwede lang sa mga ayaw sumuporta dyan huwag niyong gamitin if the project is implemented just to show your opposition from the current admin.

[rooster69ph]

 

You mentioned it before, not all project are funded by PPP 100% right? So ano dapat ganwin dun sa iba? Kaya ko nga sinama yung pag budget just to point out na may intention ang DU30 admin to really implement the project. Pakialam ko kung sa PPP o hindi galing basta maimplement ng maayos yung project para makinabang ang taong bayan. At kung pwede lang sa mga ayaw sumuporta dyan huwag niyong gamitin if the project is implemented just to show your opposition from the current admin.

 

 

sinabi ko ba na lahat ba ng projects ready for implementation na? Kaya nga sabi ko sa iyo research at alamin kung ano ang cause of delay. Inalam mo na ba? Kung inalam mo at fully implementable na yan at hindi na implement eh di sige "incompetent"

 

Wala kang paki kung paano ang funding basta maimplement ...well lumalabas ang pagkaignorante mo. Source of funding is vey important as far as being able to implement a project. without funding definitely walang maiimplement. At alam mo rin siguro na kahit nakabidget ay maaring hindi pa ready for implementation because of various issues.

 

So to cut all these bullshit ... tutal nailathala na yun mga projects na dapat maisagawa. Based on your "incompetent" theory implementable na naman yan pero hindi naisagawa. Well let's wait and see kung maumpisahan nga lahat ng ito sa 2017. Otherwise, incompetent si Du30 diba. So would you accept the dare na kapag hindi naumpisahan yan mga projects na yan eh ikaw mismo you will call Du30 incompetent? O baka naman dahil blind follower, kung kalaban politika incompetent pero pag hindi rin naisagawa kung anu-anong idadahilan mo na naman.

Edited November 7, 2016 by rooster69ph

[haroots2]

 

 

sinabi ko ba na lahat ba ng projects ready for implementation na? Kaya nga sabi ko sa iyo research at alamin kung ano ang cause of delay. Inalam mo na ba? Kung inalam mo at fully implementable na yan at hindi na implement eh di sige "incompetent"

 

Wala kang paki kung paano ang funding basta maimplement ...well lumalabas ang pagkaignorante mo. Source of funding is vey important as far as being able to implement a project. without funding definitely walang maiimplement. At alam mo rin siguro na kahit nakabidget ay maaring hindi pa ready for implementation because of various issues.

 

So to cut all these bullshit ... tutal nailathala na yun mga projects na dapat maisagawa. Based on your "incompetent" theory implementable na naman yan pero hindi naisagawa. Well let's wait and see kung maumpisahan nga lahat ng ito sa 2017. Otherwise, incompetent si Du30 diba. So would you accept the dare na kapag hindi naumpisahan yan mga projects na yan eh ikaw mismo you will call Du30 incompetent? O baka naman dahil blind follower, kung kalaban politika incompetent pero pag hindi rin naisagawa kung anu-anong idadahilan mo na naman.

 

Sinabi ko ba 2017 lahat mauumpisahan? Ang sabi ko naglaan na sila ng budget kasi may intention talaga sila mag implement ng mga nasa plano. Di ko lang alam yung sequence ng mga project kung ano ang uunahin. Lahat naman yan magkakaaberya para maimplement, kung papaano solutionan ang aberya doon magkakatalo kung sino mag head ng project. Dian mahina yung dati.

Edited November 7, 2016 by haroots2

[rooster69ph]

 

Sinabi ko ba 2017 lahat mauumpisahan? Ang sabi ko naglaan na sila ng budget kasi may intention talaga sila mag implement ng mga nasa plano. Di ko lang alam yung sequence ng mga project kung ano ang uunahin. Lahat naman yan magkakaaberya para maimplement, kung papaano solutionan ang aberya doon magkakatalo kung sino mag head ng project.

 

So tama ako di ba na hindi porke't nakabudget eh maiimplement.

 

hahaha sabi ko na nga ba another BS argument... un hindi naumpisahan ni Aquino prior to 2016 INCOMPETENT ... ni ayaw alamin ano ang naging aberya basta incompetent kasi hindi nasimulan

 

Now that 2017 ineexpect na maumpisahan dun sa nagsabing INCOMPETENT ...excuses excuses

 

enough of this argument. Lumalabas ang katotohanan ng blind followers

Edited November 7, 2016 by rooster69ph

[haroots2]

 

hahaha sabi ko na nga ba another BS argument... un hindi naumpisahan ni Aquino prior to 2016 INCOMPETENT ... ni ayaw alamin ano ang naging aberya basta incompetent kasi hindi nasimulan

 

Now that 2017 ineexpect na maumpisahan dun sa nagsabing INCOMPETENT ...excuses excuses

 

enough of this argument. Lumalabas ang katotohanan.

SO you expect lahat mauumpisahan ng 2017? Kung matapos ang termino ni DU30 and walang naimplement tapos puro excuses like Pnoy dyan sasabihin kong incompletent din si DU30 and mga project head niya.

[rooster69ph]

SO you expect lahat mauumpisahan ng 2017? Kung matapos ang termino ni DU30 and walang naimplement tapos puro excuses like Pnoy dyan sasabihin kong incompletent din si DU30 and mga project head niya.

 

OO ... by your own expectations/standards these are fully implementable during the time of PNoy except that he and his people are incompetent, incompetent, incompetent

 

Now the tide has turned, It's only 2016, And he has the full 12 month of next year to implement or start these projects, not necessary to finish them. to prove his competence.

[camiar]

I reviewed the PPP listing when the Aquino administration announced it.

 

We even acquired the book that listed the PPP projects.

 

The general consensus among those who looked at it, including me, is that the project specifications are too vague to implement.

 

There were only a handful feasible projects with clear specifications. Even those who were already awarded have to be renegotiated because of technical and commercial issues that cropped up during implementation.

 

Kaya walang pumapatol sa PPP during the first 4 years ng Abnoy administration.

 

Bakit vague ang specifications? Dahil incompetent and amateurs ang mga gumawa ng PPP Project Specifications.

 

Conclusion: Incompetent

[camiar]

 

OO ... by your own expectations/standards these are fully implementable during the time of PNoy except that he and his people are incompetent, incompetent, incompetent

 

Now the tide has turned, It's only 2016, And he has the full 12 month of next year to implement or start these projects, not necessary to finish them. to prove his competence.

 

I just want to reiterate, it's not true that the PPP projects were not implemented due to lack of funding.

 

Most of the PPP projects are NOT fully implementable due to vague specs, incomplete data, possible legal traps, unreliable ROI etc... so, no takers from the private sector.

 

As far as I know, only one PPP project is included in Duterte's initial 9 infrastructure projects totaling PhP 171 Billion.

Edited November 8, 2016 by camiar

[rooster69ph]

 

I just want to reiterate, it's not true that the PPP projects were not implemented due to lack of funding.

 

 

 

Sino ba nagsabi niyan???

 

 

Most of the PPP projects are NOT fully implementable due to vague specs, incomplete data, possible legal traps, unreliable ROI etc... so, no takers from the private sector.

As far as I know, only one PPP project is included in Duterte's initial 9 infrastructure projects totaling PhP 171 Billion.

 

 

Para maliwanag ... the projects are implementable kung meron man issues on the technical side (ie. specs, data) madali lang naman siguro rededyohan yan. Admittedly there is a slow take-up from the private sectors siyempre iba naman ang perspective ng mga yan compared sa gobyerno. Kumbaga sa business negotiation tawaran yan eh ... babaratin mo muna siyempre to get the best for the gov't considering the interest of the public na magbabayad. Yun private funders siyempre returns naman habol niyan wala naman sa prioridad nila ang social concerns.

 

PPP is essentially external funding source...not much different from bank borrowings to finance the project. Bottom line sa mga yan eh ROI either through operating income or interest. Now kung popondohan yan ng gobyerno either through borrowings hindi ba we will be charge interest for that as well? Parang isang negosyante lang yan, may feasibility study sa isang business venture at nilapit sa bangko for financing alam mo naman may pera ang bangko pero pauutangin ka ba nila? ikalawa, assuming pauutangin ka, papayag ka ba sa terms and conditions nila? Eh kung ang kaya mo lang bayaran na interest based on your projection/study is 5% but the bank wants to charge 10% papatusin mo? It's a choice, pwede sa pwede at bahala na si batman kung kinulang cash flow mo or you delay and find another bank that would be interested to finance you at a lower rate. Ganun lang naman yan. So kung hindi kinagat, balikan, tingnan kung hanggang saan pa ang kayang ibigay sa mga funders then bid it out.

[silvio.blackwater]

 

Sino ba nagsabi niyan???

 

 

 

Para maliwanag ... the projects are implementable kung meron man issues on the technical side (ie. specs, data) madali lang naman siguro rededyohan yan. Admittedly there is a slow take-up from the private sectors siyempre iba naman ang perspective ng mga yan compared sa gobyerno. Kumbaga sa business negotiation tawaran yan eh ... babaratin mo muna siyempre to get the best for the gov't considering the interest of the public na magbabayad. Yun private funders siyempre returns naman habol niyan wala naman sa prioridad nila ang social concerns.

 

PPP is essentially external funding source...not much different from bank borrowings to finance the project. Bottom line sa mga yan eh ROI either through operating income or interest. Now kung popondohan yan ng gobyerno either through borrowings hindi ba we will be charge interest for that as well? Parang isang negosyante lang yan, may feasibility study sa isang business venture at nilapit sa bangko for financing alam mo naman may pera ang bangko pero pauutangin ka ba nila? ikalawa, assuming pauutangin ka, papayag ka ba sa terms and conditions nila? Eh kung ang kaya mo lang bayaran na interest based on your projection/study is 5% but the bank wants to charge 10% papatusin mo? It's a choice, pwede sa pwede at bahala na si batman kung kinulang cash flow mo or you delay and find another bank that would be interested to finance you at a lower rate. Ganun lang naman yan. So kung hindi kinagat, balikan, tingnan kung hanggang saan pa ang kayang ibigay sa mga funders then bid it out.

Hindi lahat ng mali sa specs madaling remedyuhan. Kung may fundamental gap sa design, bka lumobo presyo or worse baka hindi talaga feasible. Tungkol naman sa negotiation between gov and private entities, considering may baratan, the fact of the matter is, hindi nagmaterialize. So kahit na sa planning, kahit na sa negotiation, ang point is sablay pa rin past admin imho.

Ang current admin masyado pang maaga para malaman ang incompetency rating kase sa ngayon maliliit na changes pa lang naiimplement (extension ng license, 911, 8888, etc.) ciempre yung mga bonggang infra sa dulo na ng termino malalaman yun kung mapapatupad. Sana lang hindi mauwi sa "world class" parking lot ang mga project. 😋 see what I did there sir jopoc?😊

[rooster69ph]

Hindi lahat ng mali sa specs madaling remedyuhan. Kung may fundamental gap sa design, bka lumobo presyo or worse baka hindi talaga feasible. Tungkol naman sa negotiation between gov and private entities, considering may baratan, the fact of the matter is, hindi nagmaterialize. So kahit na sa planning, kahit na sa negotiation, ang point is sablay pa rin past admin imho.

Ang current admin masyado pang maaga para malaman ang incompetency rating kase sa ngayon maliliit na changes pa lang naiimplement (extension ng license, 911, 8888, etc.) ciempre yung mga bonggang infra sa dulo na ng termino malalaman yun kung mapapatupad. Sana lang hindi mauwi sa "world class" parking lot ang mga project. see what I did there sir jopoc?

 

Kaya nga from the start sabi ko nga alamin natin saan ang pagkukulang ... sa planning o technical aspects side, sa funding side (whether gobyerno ang magpopondo through internal funds o loans or PPP etc) or both.

 

This is the point per se ... pinalalabas na napakagaling ni Duterte dahil nailista ang mga projects na alam naman natin minana na lang naman niya and Dutertards are giving him all the credits by disregarding efforts made by past administrations (note that its not only PNoy since other projects were conceived even before his term).

 

Like I said earlier, if the delays is really proven to be because of incompetencies, then that's acceptable. But if dahil maka Duterte ang isa diyan at he simply concludes it is because of incompetency without making his due diligence I think that is unfair.

 

Now as far as this admin is concerned ... yes maaga pa nga to determine if incompetent sila but also if competent sila as well merely by lining up these projects they intend to roll out.

[silvio.blackwater]

 

Kaya nga from the start sabi ko nga alamin natin saan ang pagkukulang ... sa planning o technical aspects side, sa funding side (whether gobyerno ang magpopondo through internal funds o loans or PPP etc) or both.

 

This is the point per se ... pinalalabas na napakagaling ni Duterte dahil nailista ang mga projects na alam naman natin minana na lang naman niya and Dutertards are giving him all the credits by disregarding efforts made by past administrations (note that its not only PNoy since other projects were conceived even before his term).

 

Like I said earlier, if the delays is really proven to be because of incompetencies, then that's acceptable. But if dahil maka Duterte ang isa diyan at he simply concludes it is because of incompetency without making his due diligence I think that is unfair.

 

Now as far as this admin is concerned ... yes maaga pa nga to determine if incompetent sila but also if competent sila as well merely by lining up these projects they intend to roll out.

Fair point. For now it's a waiting game. Let's see what happens.

[haroots2]

 

Kaya nga from the start sabi ko nga alamin natin saan ang pagkukulang ... sa planning o technical aspects side, sa funding side (whether gobyerno ang magpopondo through internal funds o loans or PPP etc) or both.

 

This is the point per se ... pinalalabas na napakagaling ni Duterte dahil nailista ang mga projects na alam naman natin minana na lang naman niya and Dutertards are giving him all the credits by disregarding efforts made by past administrations (note that its not only PNoy since other projects were conceived even before his term).

 

Like I said earlier, if the delays is really proven to be because of incompetencies, then that's acceptable. But if dahil maka Duterte ang isa diyan at he simply concludes it is because of incompetency without making his due diligence I think that is unfair.

 

Now as far as this admin is concerned ... yes maaga pa nga to determine if incompetent sila but also if competent sila as well merely by lining up these projects they intend to roll out.

 

Kung sinasabi mong minana lang ang mga plano na yan bakit ngayon pwede na ma implement? Ano nagbago sa plano, mayroon ba nagrevised ng plano at kung sino? Political will lang ba ang kulang which is obviously lamang ni Du30 kay Pnoy. Mas marami bang gustong mag invest ngayon kesa dati?