Duterte's Presidency : Expectations, Controversies, Rants, Etc.

Edmund Dantes · September 7, 2016

Bringing up Roxas and the Yellow Media as a bogeyman is right up the alley of the Peter Tiu Lavina social media operatives playbook. I do not buy that spin as we can see the raw footage for ourselves. Conjuring up a conspiracy theory, making up and hyping the supposed existence of a Yellow Media is a strategy to consolidate and rally the Duterte base against a made-up target. A bogeyman.

If we are to believe this narrative, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC and all of the Western Media are part of the Yellow Media. I do not like this bogeyman tactic as it effectively obfuscates discussion of real facts and issues. In the case of this Duterte gaffe, the media is definitely not the problem.

Yung mga hinanakit niyo nuong panahon ng elksyon, iwanan na sa nakaraan. Presidente na yang manok niyo and this is a whole new ballgame. Hindi pwedeng habang buhay na chuwariwap. Di ba si Abnoy nagrereklamo din na napaka-unfair ng media sa kanya, Puro sa kamalian daw ang focus at nakalimutan na ang mga ginawang tama? Huwag pairalin ang persecution complex please lang.

Tsk tsk tsk tsk. San ba kumukuha ng balita yan mga western media na yan? Di ba sa local din naman? Marunong ba yan sila managalog? So when you make headlines like "Duterte calls Obama a son of a whore", kahit hindi naman ganun pagkakasabi, napipick up ito ng western media at nagkakaroon ng maling interpretation ng balita. Gusto na nga nila isipin na genocide na daw ang nangyayari ngayon. As if yun mga local media outlets natin di man lang nagresearch kung ano ba ibig sabihin ng genocide at crimes against humanity. Para ngang tanga na bibilangin araw araw yun namamatay sa kampanya kontra droga, di naman ilalagay tamang context. Araw araw po me namamatay na Kriminal, that is for sure. So kahit hangang susunod na administrasyon aakyat at aakyat bilang na yan.

Wala kaming hinanakit po. Bakit kami magkakaroon ng hinanakit, eh kami nga nanalo di ba? Yun mga kandidato nyo na taon bago 2016 nagumpisa mangampanya nilampaso lang. Anong ihihinanakit namin? Hindi po eleksyon ang pinaguusapan dito. Ayan naman eh taken out of proper context. Ang pinaguusapan po dito, lahat ng pulitiko may nasasabing olats, at pwede yan palalain ng media, o pabutihin kung gugustuhin nila. On the other hand, pag same formula ng pagdiscredit gagamitin sa pinapaboran nyong mga pulitiko, eto lagi copout nyo. Na kesyo tapos na eleksyon sus.

Sana nga natulungan ni Mar yun mga nasa withdrawal stage na, pahirapan na hanap ng drugs. Baka naman kasi alam nya pa yun mga mabibilhan pa dyan. Tutal promise nya noon sasamhan nya mga ito lol...... Ok potshot lang po ng konti.... Peace!

daphne loves derby · September 7, 2016

‘Liberal America’ writer: Duterte cussing not directed at Obama

https://www.facebook.com/notes/presidential-communications-government-of-the-philippines/liberal-america-writer-duterte-cussing-not-directed-at-obama/1433561860006804

In the United States, an independent group dissected an accurate transcript of President Duterte’s Q&A with Reuters correspondent Jerome Morales and explained what Duterte said point by point.

‘Liberal America’ writer Nizza Gueco, admittedly not a Duterte fan, was concerned more about the implications of soured US-Philippine relations.

Gueco wrote in a column on the “Liberal America” website, “Lo and behold, my suspicions were true, the line that was cut from the video above wherein the President said “p#tang$na” was not even directed to President Obama, it was directed to the reporter who, according to the President, 'just threw questions and statements.'"

daphne loves derby · September 7, 2016

now this is interesting

Duterte to be sandwiched by Obama, Ban in ASEAN dinner

http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/145488-philippines-duterte-obama-ban-asean-dinner-laos?utm_content=buffer10370&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

In a news release, the Philippine Office of the President said: "Presidents Duterte and Obama will be seated next to each other, which expectedly, will focus all cameras on them to deliver to the world the encounter of the two. Incidentally, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is also seated on the other side of President Duterte."

The gala dinner, hosted by Lao Prime Minister Thongloun Sisoulith, is taking place from 8 to 10 pm on Wednesday.

Edited September 7, 2016 by daphne loves derby

Nemo Outis · September 7, 2016

Binasa ko mabuti transcript nung sagot sa reporter. Hindi ko pa napapanood yun buong press con so feel free to correct me na lang. ...

Binasa ko transcript ng sagot, at basically, yun reporter ang minumura nya hindi naman si Obama mismo. Yun reporter sinermonan nya kasi masyadong nagpapaka-lap dog sa mga amerikano.

You said the reporter was being a lap dog of America. I don't know if we read the same transcript, but the quotes below are taken from the Malacanan press office official transcript:

Q: Sir, there have been concerns on extrajudicial killings, Sir, and you will meet leaders. Any line of communication that we have prepared to address this issue in front of other foreign leaders?

Duterte: Extrajudicial killings?

Q: Yes, human rights.

Duterte: To whom shall I address myself to and who will be asking the questions, may I know?

Q: Like Obama, Sir.

-- And this is were Duterte's tirade starts --

It seemed like a legitimate question to raise. The reporter didn't even bring up America or Obama, until Duterte asked. It is actually common knowledge (or at least to reporters who follow international relations, and to anyone who reads news from foreign media and not just local "yellow" press) that Obama had already previously mentioned that he would be bringing up that issue if and when he meets with Duterte. The reporter was actually showing awareness of goings-on related to the ASEAN summit by asking that question and when pressed by Duterte, by relating it to Obama. That's not being a lap dog, that's being a reporter.

Kung pakikingan ng tama yun gist ng sinabi ni Duterte, tama naman sya. Una sa lahat ang US ay may mahabang history ng pagiging bastos, at pakikialam sa mga bansang mas maliliit sa kanila. Akala nila sila na lang lagi pwede magdikta mga polisiya sa mga sovereign territories. Bukod pa dyan sila pa nga itong hindi pinapansin mga subpoena sa kanila ng UN. Noon di ba galit na galit tayo sa mga presidenteng Tuta ng kano?

Human rights ang gusto gawing issue. Pero anak ng patola o mas malala pa nga mga kaso ng police brutality sa US ata. Naalala nyo yun fruitvale station shooting? Yun Rodney King case? At ilang insidente ng pamamaril? Tapos tayo yun kelangan pa maging parang maamong puppy na magpapacute sa kanila?

You seem like a reasonably educated person, so you should understand that this is a straw man (with the added bonus of an ad hominem). Sure, the US likes to push its weight around and meddle in the affairs of other countries, but does that make Human Rights Violations or Extrajudicial Killings right?

Just because the US has its fair share of HRVs, doesn't mean it can't call another country out for not acting on or preventing the increase of HRVs or EJKs. It's like saying an acknowledged philandering womanizer can't call an unmarried woman immoral for having a boyfriend. Oops, wait. I think I remember something like that happened a few weeks ago.

Kaya lang (assuming na totoo sinasabi ko na hindi nya minura si Obama)

Sure, he probably didn't swear at Obama. But it does seem like he threatened to curse Obama in this quote from the same transcript:

Putang-ina, mumurahin kita diyan sa forum na iyan.

It doesn't seem addressed to the reporter. "Dyan sa forum na iyan." Was Duterte expecting that same reporter to ask him pointed questions at the upcoming forum (ASEAN summit)? Was that reporter even going to be at the ASEAN summit? Seems quite a stretch to think that this was directed at the reporter.

But here's the kicker (hehe). I wonder if we read the same transcript, but this seems very direct:

Sino pa? Hindi ako bilib diyan sa Amerika. Gusto mo sipain ko pa iyan sa harap mo eh.

Duterte may or may not have directly cursed Obama, but it looks like he just insulted the entire United States of America.

Edmund Dantes · September 7, 2016

You said the reporter was being a lap dog of America. I don't know if we read the same transcript, but the quotes below are taken from the Malacanan press office official transcript:

Q: Sir, there have been concerns on extrajudicial killings, Sir, and you will meet leaders. Any line of communication that we have prepared to address this issue in front of other foreign leaders?
Duterte: Extrajudicial killings?

Q: Yes, human rights.
Duterte: To whom shall I address myself to and who will be asking the questions, may I know?

Q: Like Obama, Sir.

-- And this is were Duterte's tirade starts --

It seemed like a legitimate question to raise. The reporter didn't even bring up America or Obama, until Duterte asked. It is actually common knowledge (or at least to reporters who follow international relations, and to anyone who reads news from foreign media and not just local "yellow" press) that Obama had already previously mentioned that he would be bringing up that issue if and when he meets with Duterte. The reporter was actually showing awareness of goings-on related to the ASEAN summit by asking that question and when pressed by Duterte, by relating it to Obama. That's not being a lap dog, that's being a reporter.

The president wanted the question to be specific. Siguro kung sinagot ng reporter yun Filipino Community, iba ang naging sagot nya. Kung sinagot siguro yun mga world leaders na kakausapin nya ng personal, iba din naging sagot nya. So binigyan din ni Duterte ng specific na sagot itong reporter na ito. Yun lang. No need to overcomplicate this out of its intended proportion.

You seem like a reasonably educated person, so you should understand that this is a straw man (with the added bonus of an ad hominem). Sure, the US likes to push its weight around and meddle in the affairs of other countries, but does that make Human Rights Violations or Extrajudicial Killings right?

Just because the US has its fair share of HRVs, doesn't mean it can't call another country out for not acting on or preventing the increase of HRVs or EJKs. It's like saying an acknowledged philandering womanizer can't call an unmarried woman immoral for having a boyfriend. Oops, wait. I think I remember something like that happened a few weeks ago.

Tsk simple lang naman gusto sabihin ni Duterte. Kung me pananagutan sya, sa mga Pilipino yun. At hindi nya kelangan magisip o magaral ng mabuti ng maisasagot para lang matuwa ang isang Mr. Barack Obama. So pagsasabihan nila tayo tungkol sa HRV sa atin. Ok sige, ang taong tama ba yun data na nare-recieve nila? Tulad ng sinabi ko kung ang pinaguusapan lang dito ay pagbibilang ng namamatay na drug pusher kada araw, kahit umalis si duterte dadami pa din ito. Pangalawa, didiktahan tayo ng standards? Eh anong standards? Kung mas malala pa nga kaso ng police brutality sa kanila, at sila din daming problema sa HRV, yun ba talaga gusto natin sundin? Unless nga siguro na Cambodia sa pamumuno ni Pol Pot na sitwasyon sa pilipinas.

Now ito problema sa De Lima annalogy mo eh, yun bang mga kabit ni Duterte naging bagwomean nya ng drug money? Nakatira din ba sa mga mansion at maraming sasakyan? Kung ganun wala rin sya karapatan pagsabihan si De Lima. Totoo nya, manlalake si De Lima ng lahat ng gusto nya, pero kung me iba pang kalokohan na ganyan, ibang usapan na.

Long and the short is, respect that we are a sovereign nation. Ano ba tayo? Kaalyado o utusan?

Sure, he probably didn't swear at Obama. But it does seem like he threatened to curse Obama in this quote from the same transcript:

Putang-ina, mumurahin kita diyan sa forum na iyan.

It doesn't seem addressed to the reporter. "Dyan sa forum na iyan." Was Duterte expecting that same reporter to ask him pointed questions at the upcoming forum (ASEAN summit)? Was that reporter even going to be at the ASEAN summit? Seems quite a stretch to think that this was directed at the reporter.

But here's the kicker (hehe). I wonder if we read the same transcript, but this seems very direct:

Sino pa? Hindi ako bilib diyan sa Amerika. Gusto mo sipain ko pa iyan sa harap mo eh.

Duterte may or may not have directly cursed Obama, but it looks like he just insulted the entire United States of America.

There you go! He did not! It makes all the difference. Threatening to cuss is not the same as acutaly cussing the president of the US. That's where the buck stops.

Sana ang naging headline "Duterte threatens to cuss Obama or Anyone (kasi yun din naman sabi nya, kahit na sino daw) if asked offensive questions about EJK". Di balanse at totoo. A headline that reads "Duterte called Obama a son of a bitch", is irresponsible journalism.

Yun naman sisipain ang Amerika, that is an obvious figure of speech. Masissipa mo ba ng literal ang isang bansa sa harap ng kahit na sino? Duh! Ang simple lang naman ng gusto nya sabihin. Hindi nya gusto maging totoy totoy ni Obama o kahit kanino pang world leader (o baka pati yan, literal yun interpretation). ITong part na ito ng tirade addressed na ito sa audience at hindi sa Ameika. Pambihira tagalog na nga eh. Siguro naman hindi naman second language ng mga Amerikano Filipino di ba?

Kapote · September 7, 2016

Mali ang pagmumura. directly or indirectly towards a person. Specially when talking about other country with different backgrounds or culture. Nonetheless, it is not the cursing that is the real issue. It is those outsiders who meddles with our sovereignty. Para bang babae na may amain na nirerape sya at alam yun ng kanyang mga kapitbahay. Pero ang amain nya na yun ay binibigyan siya ng magagarang cellphone, damit, at laruan. Ayaw nyang umalis dahil natatakot sya na baka iba ang gumahasa sa kanya at mawala ang mga magagara nyang gamit na libre nya nakukuha. Nakakalungkot isipin na ang pangalan ng babaeng yun ay Pilipinas.

everyman · September 7, 2016

Lol yang video mo is not even 2 minutes long. The exchange and Duterte's response was longer than that. At kahit paulit ulit mo ito daanin sa semantics, hindi minura ni Duterte si Obama mismo. Eto buong transcript kung masipag sipag ka magbasa. Kulang kasi nasa video mo eh. Minsan kasi mainam yun binabasa din

http://www.rappler.com/nation/145337-transcript-duterte-obama-human-rights

Since andyan naman full transcript, siguro naman hindi na ito white wash kung i-highlight natin yun precedent na paragraph bago sya nagmura.

"I am not beholden to anybody. Iyong mga kolumnista diyan na (Those columnists who say), "Wait until he meets " Who is he? I am a President of the sovereign state, and we have long ceased to be a colony. I do not have any master, except the Filipino people. Nobody but nobody."

So malinaw na ang inesermonan nya dito yun mismong mga kolmnistang tingin titiklop na lang sya pag nakaharap sa isang pangulo ng isang super power.

Tapos eto na kasunod. Eto yun nagbitaw sya ng p#tang %na

you must be respectful. Do not just throw away questions and statements. Putang-ina, mumurahin kita diyan sa forum na iyan. Huwag mo akong ganunin (Son of a whore, I'll curse you at that forum. Don't do anything like that to me). Tell that to everybody. Itong mga kolumnista, para ba akong tinatakot. Anak ka ng umalis kayo diyan sa Pilipinas, pumunta kayo doon sa Amerika (These columnists, it's like they're threatening me. Son of a leave the Philippines, go to America). You write kung ano sa yo (whatever you like) youre the lapdogs of this American. Who is he to confront me? As a matter of fact, America has one too many to answer for the misdeeds in this country. Hanggang ngayon hindi pa tayo nakatikim ng apology niyan (Up to this day, we have not received any apology from them). That is the reason why Mindanao continues to boil.

Ayuuuuun. Ni hindi pala nabanggit yun pangalan ni Obama sa paragraph na ito. Yun p#tang %na, hindi naman talaga addressed pa nga kahit kanino in specific di ba? And further sabi nya, sabihin daw yan sa lahat. So sa lahat ng kahit na sinong magtatanong sa kanya ng ganyan. At tsaka di pa ba malinaw? Yun p#tang %na it was more of a sporadic expression lang. Kinda like when you say "p#tang %na, traffic nanaman!?". Or pano kng instead na p#tang %na sinabi nya, leche, or s@%t, or god damn it. lol!

Anyway, marunong ka naman managalog at magenglish. However you twist this one, malinaw na he did not call Obama a Son of a whore gaya nung nilagay sa headline ng ABS-CBN.

Ayos ba parekoy?

Malatelenovela na ito hehe. I'll keep it short and sweet as always. Ulitin ko lang uli.

Addressed to Obama: You must be respectful. Do not just throw away questions and statements. p#tang %na mumurahin kita dyan sa forum na iyan.

Bakit kay Obama addressed itong portion na ito? He mentioned "mumurahin kita dyan sa forum na iyan." Anong forum ba iyan? MTC Forum kaya? Yung mga reporter kaya yung nasa forum na yan?

As I said earlier, Duterte threatened to curse Obama at the International Forum. Anyway you spin it, it looks bad.

Okay ka lang ba? Don't take this too personal parekoy. Keep it cool.

everyman · September 7, 2016

Tsk tsk tsk tsk. San ba kumukuha ng balita yan mga western media na yan? Di ba sa local din naman? Marunong ba yan sila managalog? So when you make headlines like "Duterte calls Obama a son of a whore", kahit hindi naman ganun pagkakasabi, napipick up ito ng western media at nagkakaroon ng maling interpretation ng balita. Gusto na nga nila isipin na genocide na daw ang nangyayari ngayon. As if yun mga local media outlets natin di man lang nagresearch kung ano ba ibig sabihin ng genocide at crimes against humanity. Para ngang tanga na bibilangin araw araw yun namamatay sa kampanya kontra droga, di naman ilalagay tamang context. Araw araw po me namamatay na Kriminal, that is for sure. So kahit hangang susunod na administrasyon aakyat at aakyat bilang na yan.

Wala kaming hinanakit po. Bakit kami magkakaroon ng hinanakit, eh kami nga nanalo di ba? Yun mga kandidato nyo na taon bago 2016 nagumpisa mangampanya nilampaso lang. Anong ihihinanakit namin? Hindi po eleksyon ang pinaguusapan dito. Ayan naman eh taken out of proper context. Ang pinaguusapan po dito, lahat ng pulitiko may nasasabing olats, at pwede yan palalain ng media, o pabutihin kung gugustuhin nila. On the other hand, pag same formula ng pagdiscredit gagamitin sa pinapaboran nyong mga pulitiko, eto lagi copout nyo. Na kesyo tapos na eleksyon sus.

Sana nga natulungan ni Mar yun mga nasa withdrawal stage na, pahirapan na hanap ng drugs. Baka naman kasi alam nya pa yun mga mabibilhan pa dyan. Tutal promise nya noon sasamhan nya mga ito lol...... Ok potshot lang po ng konti.... Peace!

Yung mga binabanggit mo tungkol sa nakaraang eleksyon betrays your resentments about the last election campaign. You might be in denial but the slip is showing, as they say. Grouping Filipinos into "Kami" (Duterte voters) at "Kayo" (all other losing candidates) reveals that mindset. An offshoot of this mindset is the labeling such as Yellow Media or that other bogeyman, the Liberal Party.

I don't care much about the recent election as I am not totally invested with any of the candidates. So you're barking up the wrong tree if you think I'll engage with this political partisanship nonsense. Duterte is as good as any of the recent candidates and I'm cool with him. What I'm not cool with is his shenanigans.

You have clearly boxed yourself in as a Duterte diehard. Good for you. But I must say that you are doing him a disservice by condoning his misbehavior. You are doing the country a great disservice by empowering him to make the same mistakes over and over again.

Peace brother!

Edmund Dantes · September 8, 2016

Malatelenovela na ito hehe. I'll keep it short and sweet as always. Ulitin ko lang uli.

Addressed to Obama: You must be respectful. Do not just throw away questions and statements. p#tang %na mumurahin kita dyan sa forum na iyan.

Bakit kay Obama addressed itong portion na ito? He mentioned "mumurahin kita dyan sa forum na iyan." Anong forum ba iyan? MTC Forum kaya? Yung mga reporter kaya yung nasa forum na yan?

As I said earlier, Duterte threatened to curse Obama at the International Forum. Anyway you spin it, it looks bad.

Okay ka lang ba? Don't take this too personal parekoy. Keep it cool.

Conjecture mo na lang na si Obama ang minumura dito. Pero ito tignan mo.

Una yun pagkakabagsak ng p#tang %na na yan, it was more of a spontaneous outburst. Like when you say, p#tang %na ang traffic. p#tang %na ang dami pang trabaho. Hindi mo necessarily naman minumura boss mo doon.

Pangalawa sinabi nya "Sabihin nyo yan sa lahat". So dun pa lang malinaw na hindi naman directed towards a specific person yun. Yun mumurahin nya, anyone who will ask him disrespectful (as he finds it) questions na ganun.

So hindi yan in the same ball park na sasabihin ng ABS-CBN, "Duterte called Obama a Son of a whore", because that clearly never happened.

Yun mga supporters nga ni De Lima, bukambibig, "Half-truth is still a lie".

Yung mga binabanggit mo tungkol sa nakaraang eleksyon betrays your resentments about the last election campaign. You might be in denial but the slip is showing, as they say. Grouping Filipinos into "Kami" (Duterte voters) at "Kayo" (all other losing candidates) reveals that mindset. An offshoot of this mindset is the labeling such as Yellow Media or that other bogeyman, the Liberal Party.

I don't care much about the recent election as I am not totally invested with any of the candidates. So you're barking up the wrong tree if you think I'll engage with this political partisanship nonsense. Duterte is as good as any of the recent candidates and I'm cool with him. What I'm not cool with is his shenanigans.

You have clearly boxed yourself in as a Duterte diehard. Good for you. But I must say that you are doing him a disservice by condoning his misbehavior. You are doing the country a great disservice by empowering him to make the same mistakes over and over again.

Peace brother!

Sinabi ko naman, mas gusto ko nga na ibalik na lang yun media ban ni Duterte. Or read a prepared statement for the press, then hayaan mo na si Martin Andanar sumagot sa mga makukulit na magtatanong. And I did say na dapat hindi na sya nagbitaw ng p#tang %na. But still, misquote is a misquote. The media should report the news as it is.

Again why would I have resenment over the last elections? Eh panalo nga kami di ba? Wala na sa puder ng kapangyarihan ang Liberal Party.

Ang pinaguusapan dito how the media reacts to stupid statements, and Mar Roxas ke tumakbo syang presidente o hindi, ano pang partido nya has said a lot of stupid things in front of the press also. Pero far as I am concerned, sa meme lang sya nababanatan ng husto at di naman sa mga komentarista at ibang pulitikong mahilig mambatikos din.

Pag stupid statements ni Duterte agresibo sa batikos, pero pag paguusapan yun stupid statements ng ibang pulitiko na nagkataong naging katunggali sa eleksyon, it should have something to do with resentments?

Anyway opo huwag ka magalala, kita mo lamig lamig ng ulo ko eh

Edited September 8, 2016 by Edmund Dantes

filibustero · September 8, 2016

Mali ang pagmumura. directly or indirectly towards a person. Specially when talking about other country with different backgrounds or culture. Nonetheless, it is not the cursing that is the real issue. It is those outsiders who meddles with our sovereignty. Para bang babae na may amain na nirerape sya at alam yun ng kanyang mga kapitbahay. Pero ang amain nya na yun ay binibigyan siya ng magagarang cellphone, damit, at laruan. Ayaw nyang umalis dahil natatakot sya na baka iba ang gumahasa sa kanya at mawala ang mga magagara nyang gamit na libre nya nakukuha. Nakakalungkot isipin na ang pangalan ng babaeng yun ay Pilipinas.

I will use the same analogy. This time, yung amain ay nagngangalang Pilipinas. Alam ng kapitbahay na ginagahasa nya ang anak nya. Bahay ng amain yun, pwede nya gawin kahit ano sa loob nun. Yan ang sovereignty na sinasabi. Ang kapitbahay, bawal na sabihan yung amain na huwag mo naman gawin yan sa bata? Manonood lang sila at hahayaan na lang na ganun at wala man lang ni ha ni ho na sasabihin? Eh paano pa kung yung kapitbahay nagbibigay ng tulong pinansyal sa amain? Baka para pang lumalabas sa buong baranggay na kinokonsinte pa ng kapitbahay na ito ang pangagahasa kasi sige pa din ang tulong sa amain kahit na alam na nya na yun ang ginagawa sa anak.

Ganyan po ang "community of nations" na tinatawag. We live in a "global village" ika nga. Huwag tayo magalit kung may sabihin ang ibang bansa sa ginagawa ng bansa natin. Lalo na at tumatanggap tayo ng kung ano ano sa mga yan. Buti sana kung ang gusto ng Pilipino eh maging isolated country. Yung sinasabi na ine-exploit tayo ng ibang bansa tulad ng Amerika, eh lawak-lawakan ang pananaw. Pilipinas ang gumagawa ng kung ano anong paraan para pumunta dito ang foreign investors. Pilipino ang umuutang at nagbebenta ng kalabaw para lang makaalis ng bansa. Matagal na natapos ang panahon ng kastila, hapon, at amerikano. Kung ano man ang Pilipinas ngayon, dahil na yan sa mga Pilipino na sinasamantala ang kapwa Pilipino. Kaya nga si Digong ang nanalo eh. Kasi sawa na ang taong bayan na sinasamantala sila ng mga oligarch na Pilipino din.

Nemo Outis · September 8, 2016

The president wanted the question to be specific. Siguro kung sinagot ng reporter yun Filipino Community, iba ang naging sagot nya. Kung sinagot siguro yun mga world leaders na kakausapin nya ng personal, iba din naging sagot nya. So binigyan din ni Duterte ng specific na sagot itong reporter na ito. Yun lang. No need to overcomplicate this out of its intended proportion.

I was simply asking if the reporter was acting like a lap dog of America, as you stated. No "overcomplication" there, just responding to something you brought up. "Overcomplicating" would be bringing up conjectures as to how he would have answered if a different question was asked. That would of course be a useless discussion as it did not happen that way. Take this, for example: If Duterte is of the stance that the Philippines answers to no country, then he hypothetically would have cursed (or threatened to curse) every other world leader the reporter would have hypothetically mentioned.

Tsk simple lang naman gusto sabihin ni Duterte. Kung me pananagutan sya, sa mga Pilipino yun. At hindi nya kelangan magisip o magaral ng mabuti ng maisasagot para lang matuwa ang isang Mr. Barack Obama. So pagsasabihan nila tayo tungkol sa HRV sa atin. Ok sige, ang taong tama ba yun data na nare-recieve nila? Tulad ng sinabi ko kung ang pinaguusapan lang dito ay pagbibilang ng namamatay na drug pusher kada araw, kahit umalis si duterte dadami pa din ito. Pangalawa, didiktahan tayo ng standards? Eh anong standards? Kung mas malala pa nga kaso ng police brutality sa kanila, at sila din daming problema sa HRV, yun ba talaga gusto natin sundin? Unless nga siguro na Cambodia sa pamumuno ni Pol Pot na sitwasyon sa pilipinas.

Now ito problema sa De Lima annalogy mo eh, yun bang mga kabit ni Duterte naging bagwomean nya ng drug money? Nakatira din ba sa mga mansion at maraming sasakyan? Kung ganun wala rin sya karapatan pagsabihan si De Lima. Totoo nya, manlalake si De Lima ng lahat ng gusto nya, pero kung me iba pang kalokohan na ganyan, ibang usapan na.

Long and the short is, respect that we are a sovereign nation. Ano ba tayo? Kaalyado o utusan?

Perhaps you should disabuse yourself of the illusion that Foreign Policy Advisors of countries with decent intelligence service source their data solely from newspapers or media, and that international diplomacy is about "para matuwa ang isang Mr. Barack Obama." Maybe with your desire not to "overcomplicate" things, you tend to oversimplify instead. Its not just about that.

And of course, Duterte should "mag-isip at mag-aral ng mabuti" every single time he has the opportunity to meet with other world leaders.

Again, just because the US has HRVs of its own, doesn't mean that allowing the spread of HRVs and EJKs is okay. You keep bringing up the straw man. I won't even go into the leap of logic regarding alleged bagmen and mansions and cars. Following your mindset, Duterte would allow states like Sudan, DRCongo, and North Korea, to call us out on HRVs. Isn't that just about the silliest thing you could ever hear? We do not recognize human rights, hence there is nothing to violate, so there are no instances of HRVs in our country. Because there are no HRVs in our country, we can call you out on the appalling state of HRVs in your country. Hint: I used a logical fallacy in this paragraph. (This is a joke. I feel that you are very passionate about this, so I'm just trying to keep it light.)

There you go! He did not! It makes all the difference. Threatening to cuss is not the same as acutaly cussing the president of the US. That's where the buck stops.

Sana ang naging headline "Duterte threatens to cuss Obama or Anyone (kasi yun din naman sabi nya, kahit na sino daw) if asked offensive questions about EJK". Di balanse at totoo. A headline that reads "Duterte called Obama a son of a bitch", is irresponsible journalism.

Yun naman sisipain ang Amerika, that is an obvious figure of speech. Masissipa mo ba ng literal ang isang bansa sa harap ng kahit na sino? Duh! Ang simple lang naman ng gusto nya sabihin. Hindi nya gusto maging totoy totoy ni Obama o kahit kanino pang world leader (o baka pati yan, literal yun interpretation). ITong part na ito ng tirade addressed na ito sa audience at hindi sa Ameika. Pambihira tagalog na nga eh. Siguro naman hindi naman second language ng mga Amerikano Filipino di ba?

Yes, it is a figure of speech, but it is most definitely an insult. Just because it was a figure of speech doesn't mean it wasn't an insult. It was addressed to Filipinos, to show his lack of respect for the entire nation of America. It was a very clear and uncomplicated statement.

Kapote · September 8, 2016

I will use the same analogy. This time, yung amain ay nagngangalang Pilipinas. Alam ng kapitbahay na ginagahasa nya ang anak nya. Bahay ng amain yun, pwede nya gawin kahit ano sa loob nun. Yan ang sovereignty na sinasabi. Ang kapitbahay, bawal na sabihan yung amain na huwag mo naman gawin yan sa bata? Manonood lang sila at hahayaan na lang na ganun at wala man lang ni ha ni ho na sasabihin? Eh paano pa kung yung kapitbahay nagbibigay ng tulong pinansyal sa amain? Baka para pang lumalabas sa buong baranggay na kinokonsinte pa ng kapitbahay na ito ang pangagahasa kasi sige pa din ang tulong sa amain kahit na alam na nya na yun ang ginagawa sa anak.

Ganyan po ang "community of nations" na tinatawag. We live in a "global village" ika nga. Huwag tayo magalit kung may sabihin ang ibang bansa sa ginagawa ng bansa natin. Lalo na at tumatanggap tayo ng kung ano ano sa mga yan. Buti sana kung ang gusto ng Pilipino eh maging isolated country. Yung sinasabi na ine-exploit tayo ng ibang bansa tulad ng Amerika, eh lawak-lawakan ang pananaw. Pilipinas ang gumagawa ng kung ano anong paraan para pumunta dito ang foreign investors. Pilipino ang umuutang at nagbebenta ng kalabaw para lang makaalis ng bansa. Matagal na natapos ang panahon ng kastila, hapon, at amerikano. Kung ano man ang Pilipinas ngayon, dahil na yan sa mga Pilipino na sinasamantala ang kapwa Pilipino. Kaya nga si Digong ang nanalo eh. Kasi sawa na ang taong bayan na sinasamantala sila ng mga oligarch na Pilipino din.

Kailanman hindi natin maihahalintulad ang Pilipinas sa isang masamang AMAIN, base sa iyong analohiya, si pilipinas ang may kagagawan kung bakit ang mga pilipino ay naghihirap. Kailanman hindi hindi hinangad ng Pilipinas na maghirap ang kanyan mga supling.

Madaming masasamang Pilipino, subalit walang masamang Pilipinas.

Matapos syang gahasain ng Espanya, Hapon at Amerika, naiwan sya sa pangangalaga ng anak nyang oligarkiya, na hindi man lang pinahalagahan ang kanyang mga kapatid, ni mismong katawan nya ay dungis ang naging hatid. Nilisan man sya ng kanyang mga anak ay hindi naman sila nakakalimot na punan ang kanyang pangangailan kahit kakarampot. Subalit ang padala ng kanyang mga anak sa malayo ay inaangkin din ng oligarkiya nyang anak. Imbes na ipambili ng gamot, unti unti syang nilalason hanggang sya ay manghina ang katawan nyang payak. Kapatid sa kapatid na mismo ang nagpapatayan, tinatapakan ang kanilang kahirapan upang ang mga mayayaman ay lalong manatiling mayaman.

Hindi kailanman ninais ng ating inang bayan na tayo ay maghirap. At wag sanang panghimasukan ng naghahari hariang bansa pag abot ng sarili nating pangarap.

camiar · September 8, 2016

I will use the same analogy. This time, yung amain ay nagngangalang Pilipinas. Alam ng kapitbahay na ginagahasa nya ang anak nya. Bahay ng amain yun, pwede nya gawin kahit ano sa loob nun. Yan ang sovereignty na sinasabi. Ang kapitbahay, bawal na sabihan yung amain na huwag mo naman gawin yan sa bata? Manonood lang sila at hahayaan na lang na ganun at wala man lang ni ha ni ho na sasabihin? Eh paano pa kung yung kapitbahay nagbibigay ng tulong pinansyal sa amain? Baka para pang lumalabas sa buong baranggay na kinokonsinte pa ng kapitbahay na ito ang pangagahasa kasi sige pa din ang tulong sa amain kahit na alam na nya na yun ang ginagawa sa anak.

Ganyan po ang "community of nations" na tinatawag. We live in a "global village" ika nga. Huwag tayo magalit kung may sabihin ang ibang bansa sa ginagawa ng bansa natin. Lalo na at tumatanggap tayo ng kung ano ano sa mga yan. Buti sana kung ang gusto ng Pilipino eh maging isolated country. Yung sinasabi na ine-exploit tayo ng ibang bansa tulad ng Amerika, eh lawak-lawakan ang pananaw. Pilipinas ang gumagawa ng kung ano anong paraan para pumunta dito ang foreign investors. Pilipino ang umuutang at nagbebenta ng kalabaw para lang makaalis ng bansa. Matagal na natapos ang panahon ng kastila, hapon, at amerikano. Kung ano man ang Pilipinas ngayon, dahil na yan sa mga Pilipino na sinasamantala ang kapwa Pilipino. Kaya nga si Digong ang nanalo eh. Kasi sawa na ang taong bayan na sinasamantala sila ng mga oligarch na Pilipino din.

I think your analogy is disproportionate to the issue we are discussing.

Your premise is that the father has been raping the children. This is a heinous crime. Definitely, the neighbors must respond and stop the crime from continuing. But it's not really the case.

A better analogy is the father slapping the child's behind for being unruly. In this case, the neighbor must weigh if it would be appropriate for him to impose his personal values on his neighbor. After all, how the father discipline his children is his prerogative.

This is what I think as a more accurate analogy between the Philippine government & the US. The Philippine Government is not into EJK or HRV as a matter of policy in its fight against drugs. How Philippines conduct its drug campaign is an internal matter that the US has no business meddling with. So the US (the neighbor) should be careful on how to raise its concerns about EJK/HRV with the Philippines.

Edited September 8, 2016 by camiar

goldrush · September 8, 2016

bastos presidente grabe konting respeto kasi madami nanonood sa presidente.

bughaw1 · September 8, 2016

May statement na si pres obama. Kaya ba tahimik na naman dito? Hintay na naman ng blunder tapos palalakihin hehe.

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