rooster69ph Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 How sure are you it wasn't followed? Are you privy to it? Since you mentioned about common sense earlier, common sense dictates that the news wouldn't be reporting that trillanes call on duterte's bluff and wrote amlc to ask for his bank transactions. So let me ask you as well how sure are you that amlc complied? Are you privy to it? Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I said common sense dictates that when the president says something to the agencies that are under him, the agencies follow him. Then your reply to my post was "in other words, wala, hindi sinunod. Ano ginawa ni Duterte? Presidente ka hindi sinunod ang utos mo? Anong moro-moro ito?" You replied to me with something that was taken out of context. Since I followed your line of reasoning in that post of yours, answer my questions. Otherwise, I will just keep on telling you to answer my questions. Are you living in a world of fantasy? Na perpekto nangyayari kung ano ang dapat mangyari? Be real. Hindi lahat ng iniutos ng presidente eh nasusunod o sinusunod ...hindi mo ba alam yun? Halimbawa ...Sabi ng presidente wag maging corrupt eh bakit may corruption pa din sa gobyerno? May pa common sense common sense ka pa...tumbukin mo na kung ano talaga ang nangyari. So tell me linabas ba? Sumunod ba ang amlc? A simple yes or no lang yan...kung may nilabas ang amlc sinabi mo na yun simula pa lang hindi yun mga common sense dictates na eklavu mo. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I followed your assumption. Now answer my questions. Don't digress from the discussion. Don't throw back the question asking me if I am privy to it because you were the one who said "in other words, wala, hindi sinunod."Why don't you answer first my question ... Ang tinanong ko sa iyo sa umpisa pa lang ay kung sinunod ba ng amlc ang utos ni digong ... Yes or no lang yan hindi ko kailangan ang ms universe answer mo na may common sense dictates achuchu. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) I already answered your question. I said ask the AMLA but before that I said that common sense dictates that when a president says something to the agencies under him, they follow it. Now answer mine. Yan ang hirap sa mga taong nakikipagargumento na wala palang kamuwang muwang... Hindi pala alam ang sagot sa issue kung sumunod na ba o hindi ang amlc sa utos ng presidente at ask amlc daw. Oh sinagot na din kita sa tanong mo kanina pa...common sense dictates din na pag may inilabas eh di hindi na nangungulit si trillanes sa amlc....intindihin mo na lang. Edited February 21, 2017 by rooster69ph Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Diyan ka nagkakamali ... Kahit taga bangko ka and you claim to have knowledge of say duterte's bank transactions hindi ka papaniwalaan kung hindi ka makakapagpakita ng pruweba. Ang tanong pwede bang isiwalat nung pinagsabihan mo yun "ebidensiya"? So what's the difference on Trillanes claims. Wala naman siyang ebidensya nilalabas para siya pagaksayahan ng panahon. Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Ayun naman pala so anong issue kung ngayon sinasabi niya na involve nga si digong sa ejk? Nung kasinungalingan ang pinagsasabi tahimik ka gayong naniniwala ka palang may ejk, ngayong totoo na sinasabi na siya rin pinaniniwalaan mo saka ka naman pumuputak. Anong pinagpuputak ko? Dati ko pa nmaan sinasabing may EJK diba? May partial amnesia ka nanaman? I just said may previous testimony siya na kasalungat sa current testimony niya. So may conflict na agad in legal sense kaya madali siya madiscredit. And I don't care if he says the truth or not because it will not prosper anyways. Siguro naman agree ka doon. Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Diyan ka nagkakamali ... Kahit taga bangko ka and you claim to have knowledge of say duterte's bank transactions hindi ka papaniwalaan kung hindi ka makakapagpakita ng pruweba. Ang tanong pwede bang isiwalat nung pinagsabihan mo yun "ebidensiya"? Ayun naman pala, meron namang pruweba.... bat ayaw ipakita? Kasi puro spreadsheet lang at affidavit ng isang taong ni anino hindi pa natin nakikita ang meron eh. Ewan ko lang ha, kung me pruweba ka na pala, eh bat mo pa kelangan makiusap sa AMLC na buksan yun transaksyones? Akala ko ba pag nagakusa dapat me pruweba na? Ano naghahanap pa? Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 So what's the difference on Trillanes claims. Wala naman siyang ebidensya nilalabas para siya pagaksayahan ng panahon. You still dnt get it ... dont you?Because of the issue on bank secracy hindi niya pwedeng ilabas kahit may kopya aiya ng bank statement. Anong pinagpuputak ko? Dati ko pa nmaan sinasabing may EJK diba? May partial amnesia ka nanaman? I just said may previous testimony siya na kasalungat sa current testimony niya. So may conflict na agad in legal sense kaya madali siya madiscredit. And I don't care if he says the truth or not because it will not prosper anyways. Siguro naman agree ka doon.Thats the problem...nun nagsisinungaling hindi madiscredit? Ngayon nagsasabi ng katotohanan madaling madiacredit. You dont care whether he tells the truth or not ... no wonder our country is in deep bec of people who fight for their bias and not the truth. O eh ano kung sa tingin mo hindi magproprosper wala kang pakialam pero may opinion ka. How inconsistent if you ask me. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Ayun naman pala, meron namang pruweba.... bat ayaw ipakita? Kasi puro spreadsheet lang at affidavit ng isang taong ni anino hindi pa natin nakikita ang meron eh. Ewan ko lang ha, kung me pruweba ka na pala, eh bat mo pa kelangan makiusap sa AMLC na buksan yun transaksyones? Akala ko ba pag nagakusa dapat me pruweba na? Ano naghahanap pa? Read up on ra 1405 and the role of the amlc. Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 You still dnt get it ... dont you?Because of the issue on bank secracy hindi niya pwedeng ilabas kahit may kopya aiya ng bank statement. Thats the problem...nun nagsisinungaling hindi madiscredit? Ngayon nagsasabi ng katotohanan madaling madiacredit. You dont care whether he tells the truth or not ... no wonder our country is in deep bec of people who fight for their bias and not the truth. O eh ano kung sa tingin mo hindi magproprosper wala kang pakialam pero may opinion ka. How inconsistent if you ask me. I know about the bank secrecy law kaya nga suntok sa buwan lang ginagawa ni Trillanes. Akala niya may kakagat. I don't care about the witness because I know there is one and you know I don't oppose EJK. Pero sino ba naman aamin sa nakaupo since alam nila na illegal ito, that's my point on wala naman itong patutunguhan kasi wala silang pwedeng makuhang credible witness. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I know about the bank secrecy law kaya nga suntok sa buwan lang ginagawa ni Trillanes. Akala niya may kakagat. I don't care about the witness because I know there is one and you know I don't oppose EJK. Pero sino ba naman aamin sa nakaupo since alam nila na illegal ito, that's my point on wala naman itong patutunguhan kasi wala silang pwedeng makuhang credible witness.Sa mga nakakaintindi sa bank secracy alam nila na pinaiikot lang ni digong ... in short niloloko lang nito ang mga tangang paniwalang paniwala sa lahat ng sinasabi niya. Wala man kumagat ano ang tama ilabas ang katotohanan o magbulagbulagan kasi sangayon ka sa illegal? Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 It was on Duterte's own volition that his bank accounts be made public. What bank secrecy law are you talking about? If it was others requesting for it, then he can invoke that law.Iisa lang naman ang bank secracy law natin under ra1405. Basahin mo sec 2 and 3 dun ang sagot sa tanong mo kung pwedeng idisclose ng bangko just because he said in public na ilabas ang bank transactions niya ay pwede na ilabas. Alamin din muna ano ba ang function ng amlc ... is disclosing bank transactiona part of its functions in accordance with the law under sec 7 of ra 9160? Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Read up on ra 1405 and the role of the amlc. Actually I have read the money laundering act. I am not a lawyer I admit, but basically it says it has the power to look into bank transactions and even freeze questionable accounts. Nga lang..... kelangan din ng probable cause.... Ayuuuuuun Ang tanong asan probable cause ni Pogi? Bat parang sya pa ngayon naghahanap ng probable cause nya? Ahihihihi Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Actually I have read the money laundering act. I am not a lawyer I admit, but basically it says it has the power to look into bank transactions and even freeze questionable accounts. Nga lang..... kelangan din ng probable cause.... Ayuuuuuun Ang tanong asan probable cause ni Pogi? Bat parang sya pa ngayon naghahanap ng probable cause nya? AhihihihiHindi ba probable cause kung hindi tumutugma ang source of income sa paglaki ng asset? Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) Hindi ba probable cause kung hindi tumutugma ang source of income sa paglaki ng asset? Hindi.... conjecture lang yan. Sige nga pumunta ka sa prosecutors office na yan lang pinanghahawakan mo tignan natin kung mabigyan ka ng probable cause at ng magkaroon nga tamang court order yan si Trillanes na ibibigay sa AMLC hahaha. Kaya nga, ang tanung ko dito, anong basehan ng mga pinagsusulat nya sa handouts nya? Me pinakita ba sya isang deposit slip man lang? Resibo? Bank documents na nakanotaryo? O photocopy ng mismong passbook? Mismong testigo nga di natin malaman kung totoong tao ba ito. Dahil kung wala eh... pamahid lang ng pwit handouts nya. But why am I surprised? Ito rin yun sabi ng sabi nagdru-drugs daw si Paolo Duterte. Tapos nung lumabas na negative naman yun result... wala! nganga lang! Di naman nagresign Edited February 22, 2017 by Edmund Dantes Quote Link to comment
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