Falling For A Therapist - Merged Thread

[temurlenk]

 

para sakin ba to,kung sakin? I never assumed na iba level naming dalawa plus I dont consider na this is game where someone will or lose. Ive played the game on my early and mid 20s. I try to approach this with maturity and put everything in consideration. Maraming cons masasabi sa kanya but im not a saint myself. I have work to an industry that could understand her occupation. so its not much of a big deal.

sure lol.

Bro, the way you're talking seems like nakapag desisyon ka na sa gagawin mo, although i wouldn't condone it, kung talagang desidido ka jan sa binabalak mo, ang sakin lang, you better have a good escape plan when the time comes. Diko din pwedeng sabihin na wag ka muna mainlove kasi mukhang inlove na inlove ka na nga or attatched sa kanya for whatever reason. Hinay hinay nalang and ingat sa mga outside factors na pwede sumira sa diskarte mo, dahil madaming hadlang sa ganyang klaseng relasyon, also remember kung nainlove sya sayo na isang client, what's to stop her from falling inlove with another client?.Just be smart about it as much as you can and when this escapade is over or has bloomed into something else, learn your lesons and please do share it with us.

[Ragabooots]

Yes!... just keep on justifying every move and discision u will make.. para pagdating sa huli eh sumambulat lahat sa muka mo...

[Edmund Dantes]

Nobody is shoving anything on anyones throat, sa huli buhay nila yan at gagawin nila gusto nila. Nasa kabilang kanto ba kami para pigilan sila sa gusto nilang gawin?

 

As far as the thread is concerned, they offered themselves and their story to the table. So naturally someone will wanna dissect it. Alangan naman puros validation lang ibigay di ba?

 

If you walk in this thread and offer your own issues, learn to swallow both the good and the bad. At hindi yung parang bata na magmamaktol pag di nakukuha reaction na gusto.

[oninpo]

 

Dude, if this is your way of thinking you are not dealing with your issue maturely. What you are trying to do is romanticize everything. Ganito yan ha

 

Una, having feelings and pursuing a relationship are two very different things. Just because you have feelings for her, it does not mean you should pursue her. Because it requires a lot of practicality to make a healthy relationship work. Di lang yan puro kilig at lib0g.

 

Second, you do not need to be in her industry to understand her situation. This is rubbish. Its like saying kelangan mo maging adik din muna para maintindihan mo na masama sa katawan at pagiisip ang droga. A lot of people come to this thread overanalyzing the situation, romanticizing every trivial detail, when its just plain good old common sense.

 

OK sayo na yung babaeng gusto mo mahalin hinahawakan ng ibang lalake? Comfortable ka sa idea na yan? Isa pa, hindi ba hindi naman yan patas sayo? Don't even get started with the "Babae din naman sila na may karapatan mahalin" BS na paboritong linya dito. Ang pagmamahal ilalagay yan sa tamang lugar.

I know relationships is not just kilig at libog. Im not worried that someday it might just be one big mistake but its a mistake I choose. I can live with that. In this situation

 

I get your point about being on her industry and youre right but I was once in that industry so I see it way differently from others. The only thing I analyzed about having a relationship with her is the potential risk in a lot of ways and I dont find it risky enough to back down kaya sakto lang

 

I met her that way if she decided to change her lifestyle/job someday edi ok kung hinde Im still ok with it. kung parehas kaming masaya edi ok kung one sided lang ang happiness. check kung ano ang problem. kung unfixable edi move on. tama din naman yang popular line na yan and tama ka rin naman. kaya ko nga na share kasi unconventional sya

Bro, the way you're talking seems like nakapag desisyon ka na sa gagawin mo, although i wouldn't condone it, kung talagang desidido ka jan sa binabalak mo, ang sakin lang, you better have a good escape plan when the time comes. Diko din pwedeng sabihin na wag ka muna mainlove kasi mukhang inlove na inlove ka na nga or attatched sa kanya for whatever reason. Hinay hinay nalang and ingat sa mga outside factors na pwede sumira sa diskarte mo, dahil madaming hadlang sa ganyang klaseng relasyon, also remember kung nainlove sya sayo na isang client, what's to stop her from falling inlove with another client?.Just be smart about it as much as you can and when this escapade is over or has bloomed into something else, learn your lesons and please do share it with us.

Yung decision ko is to explore it and enjoy it. Her falling in love with her other clients could happen but if it does happen I think I can live with it. Im a very easy going person kaya madali lang sakin mag move on. Ive realized those outside factors can be trouble from the start and I already have figured some solutions to handle it. Ill figure it out along the way

 

good or bad comments is actually helpful. I take no offense sa mga sinabi nyo. Na share ko na rin to to my closest buddies mixed reaction din naman sila and they basically know me. at least here I dont have to buy you guys beer para maipon lol

[temurlenk]

I know relationships is not just kilig at libog. Im not worried that someday it might just be one big mistake but its a mistake I choose. I can live with that. In this situation

 

I get your point about being on her industry and youre right but I was once in that industry so I see it way differently from others. The only thing I analyzed about having a relationship with her is the potential risk in a lot of ways and I dont find it risky enough to back down kaya sakto lang

 

I met her that way if she decided to change her lifestyle/job someday edi ok kung hinde Im still ok with it. kung parehas kaming masaya edi ok kung one sided lang ang happiness. check kung ano ang problem. kung unfixable edi move on. tama din naman yang popular line na yan and tama ka rin naman. kaya ko nga na share kasi unconventional sya

Yung decision ko is to explore it and enjoy it. Her falling in love with her other clients could happen but if it does happen I think I can live with it. Im a very easy going person kaya madali lang sakin mag move on. Ive realized those outside factors can be trouble from the start and I already have figured some solutions to handle it. Ill figure it out along the way

 

good or bad comments is actually helpful. I take no offense sa mga sinabi nyo. Na share ko na rin to to my closest buddies mixed reaction din naman sila and they basically know me. at least here I dont have to buy you guys beer para maipon lol

Good for you bro. At least you seem to know what you're getting into and hopefully it works well for both of you. I guess a lot of people can be wary of such relationships dahil nga sa risk factors na binanggit mo and some of them can have ugly and violent results as some of us know and experienced. Knock on wood na sana hindi mo kahinatnan ung mga yan at makita nyo talaga kung ano hinahanap nyo in a good way. Good luck!

[BRAIN FOR HIRE]

Met this Thera, who was rather intelligent and is graduating from her course, she got into the trade to put her sister through school as well as herself. She related to me her experience with a guest who got "obsessed" with her and made posts on FB about her for all and sundry to see. She was thankfully able to limit the damage, but she was quite upset. She says that there are times she goes home feeling "laspag" and cries through the night while reviewing for class the next day. She says she has turned down propositions to "house" her since she would rather be independent but miserable than being in a gilded cage. Interesting.

[temurlenk]

Met this Thera, who was rather intelligent and is graduating from her course, she got into the trade to put her sister through school as well as herself. She related to me her experience with a guest who got "obsessed" with her and made posts on FB about her for all and sundry to see. She was thankfully able to limit the damage, but she was quite upset. She says that there are times she goes home feeling "laspag" and cries through the night while reviewing for class the next day. She says she has turned down propositions to "house" her since she would rather be independent but miserable than being in a gilded cage. Interesting.

Yup, madaming ganyan and we shouldn't judge them for their choice of profession, Madaming factors at iba ibang dahilan ang nagtulak sa kanila para pumasok sa ganyang industria. The trouble is, the kind of experience they go through can have a huge emotional toll on them and it takes a special kind of understanding and patience to be able to have a succesful relationship with them. Hindi lang yan pera pera, on the other hand hindi rin enough ang love.

[thespywhoshags]

Sometimes, no not sometimes. Always! The problem of the industry, are lonely and defeated men. Lonely and defeated in a way that they can't do the "Messiah complex" thing they do for theras with mature, independent, and financially capable women.

[thespywhoshags]

Many years ago before spas sprouted everywhere, MPs were the main option if you wanted release.

 

It was in this environment where I met a girl, at that time just about a month in the industry. We clicked and hit it off and eventually became a couple. After a while, she said our intimate moments were guilt-filled as just a few hours she spent time with random strangers for a fee.

 

So she quit and I was ready to support her financially. After all, she needs an alternative to her lost income. To my surprise, she didn't ask for money--instead she worked as an admin in some company. Work was hard and pay was low, but she was happy. And our intimate moments were more intense as there was no more guilt.

 

It is easy to be cynical about women in the spa or MP industry. And rightly so. There are so many hustlers out there with their own brand of drama, but there are a still a decent few. The challenge is finding these "few."

Sir Dibdba, if it's not the thera then its the client with the issue. Lonely and defeated men.

[Edmund Dantes]

Met this Thera, who was rather intelligent and is graduating from her course, she got into the trade to put her sister through school as well as herself. She related to me her experience with a guest who got "obsessed" with her and made posts on FB about her for all and sundry to see. She was thankfully able to limit the damage, but she was quite upset. She says that there are times she goes home feeling "laspag" and cries through the night while reviewing for class the next day. She says she has turned down propositions to "house" her since she would rather be independent but miserable than being in a gilded cage. Interesting.

 

Tama yun. Its a smart decision if you will ask me. Kasi ganun ka pa din naman pag binahay ka eh. Pagaari ka na ng iba. Ano kakalabasan mo? Kabit? Eh kung maeskandalo ka pa ng pamilya nung lalake, for sure talo ka. Isa pa, what if the guy turns out to be an abusive jerk? Tsaka papano ka kakalas ngayon kung napakalaki ng utang na loob mo dun sa lalake. Tama nga naman, magiging pagaari at alipin ka lang. Eh di mas mabuti pa na ikaw na lang mismo pagsumikapan mo na maialis sarili mo dyan, that way makakaumpisa ka ng bagong buhay on your own terms. Ng hindi mo kinakailangan isipin utang mo sa prince charming mo sana. This is why I don't support the idea na lalake dapat maglabas sa babae sa ganitong hanapbuhay. Its a romantic idea that works best on a screenplay, but it will not really give you that much freedom. You are just trading shackles

 

 

Yup, madaming ganyan and we shouldn't judge them for their choice of profession, Madaming factors at iba ibang dahilan ang nagtulak sa kanila para pumasok sa ganyang industria. The trouble is, the kind of experience they go through can have a huge emotional toll on them and it takes a special kind of understanding and patience to be able to have a succesful relationship with them. Hindi lang yan pera pera, on the other hand hindi rin enough ang love.

 

Eto sana bukas isip ng magbabasa. Para kasi sakin, kahit ano pa dahilan, problema o hinaharap, pwede kang mabuhay ng parehas kung talagang gugustuhin mo. Di mo naman kelangan ibenta sarili mo at isakripisyo yung dignidad mo. I knew this single mom who works almost 3 to 4 jobs to make both ends meet pwera pa sidelines. Diskarte lang talaga at sakripisyo. Halos 3 hours na lang tinutulog nung tao. May itsura naman sya and her friends invited her to try escorting kahit mga ilang labas lang, pero talagang ayaw nya. Kaming mga kaibigan nya, lagi kami tumutulong naman sa pangangailangan nya. Kahit di na nga binabayaran ok lang. Ayun napagtapos naman sarili nya.

 

Sometimes, no not sometimes. Always! The problem of the industry, are lonely and defeated men. Lonely and defeated in a way that they can't do the "Messiah complex" thing they do for theras with mature, independent, and financially capable women.

 

That is why, you should never go to these places to deal with whatever issues you have. You should never be with this women if you feel emotionally vulnerable. Makikita natin sa mga thread, ang advice ng mga GM pag brokenhearted, pumunta sa mga ganitong lugar para magparaos. IMO, this is the worst advice you can give a guy na depressed kasi nga emotionally vulnerable sila. Lets forget for one second na kasama sa trabaho nila mangbola, lets forget the reality that some are really hustlers. Lets say OK mabait yung babae. Pero what happens when she can't make the guy emotionally secure sa nature ng trabaho nya? O di panibagong cycle nanaman ng depression na mas malalala? And what does it solve? Wala

 

Sex is something you should enjoy when you have that manly confidence di ba?

 

Kaya nga yung isang katropa, simple lang ang rule nya. Never ever hire the same attendant twice. He does not even bother getting their number.

[temurlenk]

 

Tama yun. Its a smart decision if you will ask me. Kasi ganun ka pa din naman pag binahay ka eh. Pagaari ka na ng iba. Ano kakalabasan mo? Kabit? Eh kung maeskandalo ka pa ng pamilya nung lalake, for sure talo ka. Isa pa, what if the guy turns out to be an abusive jerk? Tsaka papano ka kakalas ngayon kung napakalaki ng utang na loob mo dun sa lalake. Tama nga naman, magiging pagaari at alipin ka lang. Eh di mas mabuti pa na ikaw na lang mismo pagsumikapan mo na maialis sarili mo dyan, that way makakaumpisa ka ng bagong buhay on your own terms. Ng hindi mo kinakailangan isipin utang mo sa prince charming mo sana. This is why I don't support the idea na lalake dapat maglabas sa babae sa ganitong hanapbuhay. Its a romantic idea that works best on a screenplay, but it will not really give you that much freedom. You are just trading shackles

 

 

 

Eto sana bukas isip ng magbabasa. Para kasi sakin, kahit ano pa dahilan, problema o hinaharap, pwede kang mabuhay ng parehas kung talagang gugustuhin mo. Di mo naman kelangan ibenta sarili mo at isakripisyo yung dignidad mo. I knew this single mom who works almost 3 to 4 jobs to make both ends meet pwera pa sidelines. Diskarte lang talaga at sakripisyo. Halos 3 hours na lang tinutulog nung tao. May itsura naman sya and her friends invited her to try escorting kahit mga ilang labas lang, pero talagang ayaw nya. Kaming mga kaibigan nya, lagi kami tumutulong naman sa pangangailangan nya. Kahit di na nga binabayaran ok lang. Ayun napagtapos naman sarili nya.

 

 

That is why, you should never go to these places to deal with whatever issues you have. You should never be with this women if you feel emotionally vulnerable. Makikita natin sa mga thread, ang advice ng mga GM pag brokenhearted, pumunta sa mga ganitong lugar para magparaos. IMO, this is the worst advice you can give a guy na depressed kasi nga emotionally vulnerable sila. Lets forget for one second na kasama sa trabaho nila mangbola, lets forget the reality that some are really hustlers. Lets say OK mabait yung babae. Pero what happens when she can't make the guy emotionally secure sa nature ng trabaho nya? O di panibagong cycle nanaman ng depression na mas malalala? And what does it solve? Wala

 

Sex is something you should enjoy when you have that manly confidence di ba?

 

Kaya nga yung isang katropa, simple lang ang rule nya. Never ever hire the same attendant twice. He does not even bother getting their number.

Well, we definitely can't stop all of them from entering this age-old industry and many of them don't know any better or don't have any support from friends or have friends like you. Lalo na pagnakatikim na sila nung kita at nabibili na nila ung gusto nila para sa kanila at pamilya nila, it's all just a means to an end for them. Some people and even whole cultures have different perceptions on morality especially when it comes to the sex industry. In Thailand, one of the most prolific in terms of ladies working in clubs and spas, they are not ashamed of it. In fact, according to their religion which is Buddhism, even if they work in the sex trade they can still gain good karma or "merit" as long as they do it for their parents and family. Magtataka ka, because many of them are university graduates and have worked in multinational companies BUT they say they sacrifice themselves to have a higher income for their family in this lifetime so that in the next one they will be reborn with better lives. But when they marry, they quit, and ultimately for many of them, they live normal lives. It's not like they don't have a choice, yes they do, everyone has a choice. Sa Pinas at sa madaming lugar, pag pera na ang issue at pano kumita ng mabilisan hindi rin ganon kadami ang options lalo na sa madaming probinsya, or gaya nung sa Thailand nagkaron pa sila ng lusot na hindi immoral at hindi masama ang ginagawa nila.

[Edmund Dantes]

Well, we definitely can't stop all of them from entering this age-old industry and many of them don't know any better or don't have any support from friends or have friends like you. Lalo na pagnakatikim na sila nung kita at nabibili na nila ung gusto nila para sa kanila at pamilya nila, it's all just a means to an end for them. Some people and even whole cultures have different perceptions on morality especially when it comes to the sex industry. In Thailand, one of the most prolific in terms of ladies working in clubs and spas, they are not ashamed of it. In fact, according to their religion which is Buddhism, even if they work in the sex trade they can still gain good karma or "merit" as long as they do it for their parents and family. Magtataka ka, because many of them are university graduates and have worked in multinational companies BUT they say they sacrifice themselves to have a higher income for their family in this lifetime so that in the next one they will be reborn with better lives. But when they marry, they quit, and ultimately for many of them, they live normal lives. It's not like they don't have a choice, yes they do, everyone has a choice. Sa Pinas at sa madaming lugar, pag pera na ang issue at pano kumita ng mabilisan hindi rin ganon kadami ang options lalo na sa madaming probinsya, or gaya nung sa Thailand nagkaron pa sila ng lusot na hindi immoral at hindi masama ang ginagawa nila.

 

Well it is what it is. Its not a pretty business. It takes a toll on you, and its well.... for a lack of better word to describe it.... dirty. Surely wala naman sigurong babae na ito pinangarap pasukin. Kapit ito sa patalim. Hindi ko kinukutya o hinuhusgahan ang mga babaeng pumapasok sa ganitong trabaho. Hinid ko rin naman sinasabi na talagang masama sila. Ang sakin lang, tama ka na many of them don't know any better. Na kung talagang didiskarte ka lang, pwede naman hindi ito ang pasukin. It never is one way.

 

At the same time andyan na yan kasi. Kaya dapat pagsumikapan nila makaalis. On their own terms. At hindi yung umaasa sila sa prince charming na darating para sagipin sila.

 

Masama pa kasi nito meron yung mga labas pasok sa ganitong trabaho at di na makaalis. Parang di na makaiba ng linya naman.

[thespywhoshags]

 

Tama yun. Its a smart decision if you will ask me. Kasi ganun ka pa din naman pag binahay ka eh. Pagaari ka na ng iba. Ano kakalabasan mo? Kabit? Eh kung maeskandalo ka pa ng pamilya nung lalake, for sure talo ka. Isa pa, what if the guy turns out to be an abusive jerk? Tsaka papano ka kakalas ngayon kung napakalaki ng utang na loob mo dun sa lalake. Tama nga naman, magiging pagaari at alipin ka lang. Eh di mas mabuti pa na ikaw na lang mismo pagsumikapan mo na maialis sarili mo dyan, that way makakaumpisa ka ng bagong buhay on your own terms. Ng hindi mo kinakailangan isipin utang mo sa prince charming mo sana. This is why I don't support the idea na lalake dapat maglabas sa babae sa ganitong hanapbuhay. Its a romantic idea that works best on a screenplay, but it will not really give you that much freedom. You are just trading shackles

 

 

 

Eto sana bukas isip ng magbabasa. Para kasi sakin, kahit ano pa dahilan, problema o hinaharap, pwede kang mabuhay ng parehas kung talagang gugustuhin mo. Di mo naman kelangan ibenta sarili mo at isakripisyo yung dignidad mo. I knew this single mom who works almost 3 to 4 jobs to make both ends meet pwera pa sidelines. Diskarte lang talaga at sakripisyo. Halos 3 hours na lang tinutulog nung tao. May itsura naman sya and her friends invited her to try escorting kahit mga ilang labas lang, pero talagang ayaw nya. Kaming mga kaibigan nya, lagi kami tumutulong naman sa pangangailangan nya. Kahit di na nga binabayaran ok lang. Ayun napagtapos naman sarili nya.

 

 

That is why, you should never go to these places to deal with whatever issues you have. You should never be with this women if you feel emotionally vulnerable. Makikita natin sa mga thread, ang advice ng mga GM pag brokenhearted, pumunta sa mga ganitong lugar para magparaos. IMO, this is the worst advice you can give a guy na depressed kasi nga emotionally vulnerable sila. Lets forget for one second na kasama sa trabaho nila mangbola, lets forget the reality that some are really hustlers. Lets say OK mabait yung babae. Pero what happens when she can't make the guy emotionally secure sa nature ng trabaho nya? O di panibagong cycle nanaman ng depression na mas malalala? And what does it solve? Wala

 

Sex is something you should enjoy when you have that manly confidence di ba?

 

Kaya nga yung isang katropa, simple lang ang rule nya. Never ever hire the same attendant twice. He does not even bother getting their number.

True, for the younger generations. But this industry has clientele dominated by middle aged, blue collar and white collar class men. What I'm trying to say is, it's an ego booster for them knowing they can pay to see a girl, talk to her in a secluded room and get his service. You see what I mean? Most men like this have the tendency to be the opposite in the real world, shy, secluded. When it comes to approaching mature, independent, and financially capable women, they wouldn't stand a chance. I guess mababaw lang talaga ibang lalake, I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about this guy with all his spakol achievements, I came to him after my problem with my thera but when he started talking about his life which almost only revolved the flesh industry, I realized it's a very shallow way to live life. I'm too young to start acting like a DOM, I have places to go, people to meet, have lots of game still for free and willing sex with women my age. Your life is sad if all you do is move from one thera relationship to the next. Even if we say these theras are mature, (mature in a different sense) these women will never be independent and financially capable and will always be in a way emotionally scarred and thats what some clients's prey on thats how they get in to the emotions of girls like this. They look for vulnerable young and good looking theras to have relationships with, what a sad life. Pag binigyan mo ng babaeng alam ginagawa niya sa buhay at kaya ang sarili wala tong mga ganyang klase ng clients, their existence wont even be acknowledged. As man your wallet is thick but your ego is misplaced.

 

And one other thing, madaming thera ngayon are not what they seem, ewan ko ba I guess mababaw talaga ibang lalake nakitang lang maputi, bata, maganda katawan pede na sa kanila. Most of these theras didn't look like that before the industry. Ever heard of gluta? Would you really like this girl if you saw what she looked like before. Kababawan lang talaga.

Edited March 3, 2015 by hooplos

[Edmund Dantes]

True, for the younger generations. But this industry has clientele dominated by middle aged, blue collar and white collar class men. What I'm trying to say is, it's an ego booster for them knowing they can pay to see a girl, talk to her in a secluded room and get his service. You see what I mean? Most men like this have the tendency to be the opposite in the real world, shy, secluded. When it comes to approaching mature, independent, and financially capable women, they wouldn't stand a chance. I guess mababaw lang talaga ibang lalake, I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about this guy with all his spakol achievements, I came to him after my problem with my thera but when he started talking about his life which almost only revolved the flesh industry, I realized it's a very shallow way to live life. I'm too young to start acting like a DOM, I have places to go, people to meet, have lots of game still for free and willing sex with women my age. Your life is sad if all you do is move from one thera relationship to the next. Even if we say these theras are mature, (mature in a different sense) these women will never be independent and financially capable and will always be in a way emotionally scarred and thats what some clients's prey on thats how they get in to the emotions of girls like this. They look for vulnerable young and good looking theras to have relationships with, what a sad life. Pag binigyan mo ng babaeng alam ginagawa niya sa buhay at kaya ang sarili wala tong mga ganyang klase ng clients, their existence wont even be acknowledged. As man your wallet is thick but your ego is misplaced.

 

And one other thing, madaming thera ngayon are not what they seem, ewan ko ba I guess mababaw talaga ibang lalake nakitang lang maputi, bata, maganda katawan pede na sa kanila. Most of these theras didn't look like that before the industry. Ever heard of gluta? Would you really like this girl if you saw what she looked like before. Kababawan lang talaga.

 

 

Sabagay, naalala ko sa Japan, maraming clubs na nag-o-offer ng ganitong services. Parang GRO services na may halong GFE pero most of the time clean fun lang. Walang sex na kasama. At huwag ka, kung merong para sa lalake, merong din club para sa mga babae. May mga boyfriend for hire din sila. Pero yun nga, kadalasan clean fun lang naman ino-offer nila. Boost ng ego ng costumer. Maglalambing lambing, pero may rule yung establishment na walang sex.

[temurlenk]

 

 

Sabagay, naalala ko sa Japan, maraming clubs na nag-o-offer ng ganitong services. Parang GRO services na may halong GFE pero most of the time clean fun lang. Walang sex na kasama. At huwag ka, kung merong para sa lalake, merong din club para sa mga babae. May mga boyfriend for hire din sila. Pero yun nga, kadalasan clean fun lang naman ino-offer nila. Boost ng ego ng costumer. Maglalambing lambing, pero may rule yung establishment na walang sex.

diba mga Geisha yan if I'm not mistaken? sa culture nila accepted yata un ganyang klaseng entertainment lalo na sa mga male professionals na naghahanap ng aliw after working so hard in the office. Stress relief kung baga. Prone din sila (geisha) ma inlove kahit sabihin na strikto sila and nagaantay din sila ng patrons na mayaman na inaasahan din nilang pakasalan sila in the future. There is also a standing dispute if what they are doing can be considered prostitution when they perform paid sex (Mizuage) where the girl loses her virginity to a patron.