uaeboy25 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I would say otherwise? how would someone like you that is somewhere not in the phil or even living in tarlac know what the hell is going on? I live and earn my living in tarlac and I myself has a business with sugarcane farming and I mill it on luisita and pasudeco and sweet crystal in porac and pampanga....may be its you that has little knowledge on the info at hand...bakit sa tingin mo kakarampot lang ang nakukuhang SDO ng mga farmers na nagrereklamo? you dont sweat you dont get paid simple as that..foes google tell you how many farmers are legitimate beneficiaries?...think again boy you need to do your research more then just by a type on your keyboard halatang nagpapangap ka dude. ill give bits of info bakit may land reform ang issue kung bakit may sigalot ang magsaksak at ang malaking angkan ng mga conjanco. bago pa dumating ang kastila mayroon ng nakatira sa pilipinas, mga native silang mga magsaksaka, noon walang titulo. Sakahin mo ang lupa at mabuhay ng payapa. Dumating ang kastila nangamkam. Nagpapakita ng dokumento na akala mo diploma pirmado ng hari nge espanya sasabihin na sakanila ang lupa, isa sa magandang halimbawa ay ang tabaclera de tarlac, na noong panahon ng kastila ay kilala sa pangunahing supplier ng tabaco gamit ang kilalang kalakarang galyon. Sa pagkampam ng lupa mula sa pagkakalis sa sa pananakop ng kastila hanggang sa panahon ng amerikano. nanatili anglupa sa mga kastilang pamilya na nangamkam lamang ng lupa. Pinakilala ng amerikano ang kapitalismo at nung panahon ni quezon pinatupad nya ang hatian sa kita na tulad ng 60-40 at 70-30 lalong hindi pabor sa mga magsasaka na ninuno nila angtunay na mayari ng lupa at nakamkaman ng mga kastila. Sa kapitalismo binigyan ng pahintulot ang ilang pamilyang kastila at pari na ibenta ang lupa ng mas mahal. In short naibenta pa nila ang Tabacalera ng mas mahal sa mga cojuanco. Sa pag asang mababawi ang lupa maraming sumapi sa hukbalahap, sa pangako ng ilang pinuno na maibabalik ang lup pagkatapos ng WW2. Subalit naunsyami yan nung pumwesto ang sumunod na pangulo. Habang nung panahon ni magsaysay maraming lupa ang naipamahagi sa walang lupa subalit hindi naipamahagi ang sa Hacienda luisita. Hindi natupad ang pangako ni ninoy dahil tinaggal sya sa pwesto 1 taon bago lumapat ang palugit 12taon bago ipamahagi. Nasulusyunan ang sigalot ng makialam si Marcos, subalit ng pumwesto si cory exempted sa Land reform Program ang Hacienda luisita. noong taong 1998 pinapirma ang magsasaka sa isang kasunduan subalit makalipas ang ilang taon hindi ito tinupad at ang masakit ginamit ang pirma ng magsaksak na sa katunayan ay may mga natanggap silang benipisyo mula sa dekada nilang serbisyo sa sakada. Kung talagang taga tarlac ka alam mo ang ilang nagsasakada doon na 2dekada ng namamaga ang kamay, paltos ang paa minsan natataga ang kamay sa pagatatabas ng Tubo o sugar cane. At ang masakit alam nilang ang lupang umaalipin sa kanila ay dating pagmamay ari ng ninuno nila na kinamkam ng mga kastila at binenta sa ilang mayamang pamilya. edyo mali panga ang ilang bahagi ng video kasi hindi totoong lahat ng pamilya eh nangutang sa mga cojuanco at nakaprenda ang lupa. Paano mabebenta ang lupa eh mismong kastila noon ang may malawak na lupain sa buong luzon na pnagbebenta nila sa mayayamang pamilya nung ilang taon matapos mawalan ng control ang Spain sa Pilipinas. "Social justice should be implemented or else, rich family will be absolutely getting far beyond the limits and those poor people who deserved to own the lands of their forefather will be continously decieved, because government will keep them uneducated so they will not awaken from a nighmare of poverty" sinabi ni randy david yan during sa forum sa UP. kung saan napoint out nya ang sigalot sa hacienda lusitia. nakakapagtaka lang, 2 pangulo na cojuanco-aquino ang nahalal bakit kaya hanggang ngaun tarlac ang isa sa may pinakamababang fundings in education sa buong bansa? Hindi kaya mas nakakahiya na 2 pangulo na ang galing ng tarlac eh hanggang ngaun kulelat pa rin sila sa ilang serbisyo ng gobyerno tulad ng edukasyon, kalusugan at teknolohiya??? Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) The allegations are flawed..kung hindi ka nagpupunta sa tarlac at nakikibahagi sa buhay ng mga tarlakenyo then this video will dissuade you to believe that it is true..yun sinasabing naniningil ng P20.00 sa lusita exit going to the luisita compound is a blatant lie...ala namang ganun nangyayaring singilan sa exit to luisita compound...hayyy buhay nating mga pinoy... "Blatant lie" ba kamo? HLI did collect toll fees last June amounting to P20 for cars, P50 for minibuses, vans and small trucks, and P100 for large buses and trucks. But the Toll Regulatory Board (TRB)gave them a cease and desist order to stop them from further collecting the illegal fees. In June, tickets turned in by motorists as evidence to the Inquirer bore the names JCSI-Bicsi. Brown International Corporate Services Inc. (Bicsi) is the service company that is collecting fees for Jose Cojuangco and Sons Inc. (JCSI). Motorists are complaining because HLI did not pay for the construction of the interchange and has no legal right to impose fees on commuters using the interchange. All the costs of the road construction were shouldered by the contractor of the Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA), the owner and operator of SCTEX. Edited November 15, 2011 by camiar Quote Link to comment
zolber Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 The question is just as the same as those politicians that you defend so much how could that video prove the aquino and cojuangco for fault? Any moron could make that video but where is the proof behind it as most of our in house attorneys so claimed to be knowledgeable about..another is what exactly are the allegations that can be thrown on the current admin except speculations which is vehemently denied by our inhouse lawyers in this form when their favorite politicians is assailed with hailfaire of allegations...if its something bad about their favorite they cried foul if its something beneficial for their political pets they will say gods gift...sheesshhhh talk about hypocrisy...gagamitin ang issues para malihis sa dapat pagtuunan ng pansin yan din ang sinasabi nila dapat daw focus sa issues at hand that has basis pag tinitira ang mga idol nila pero pag may lumabas na issue na makakasira sa hindi nila gustong pulitiko sasabihin dapat pagtuunan ng pansin...Man be consistent!!! isnt on your other other debates you ask for sensible and factual allegations to be corroborated with evidence so what seems to be evidenciary about this video???I dont see any facts that are being presented merely speculations and more speculations... About the SCTEX how could a mere congressman have major role in having this project approve?? who where the deciding body that supposed to be approving the said project? who releases the funds and who does controll the budget for the said project? Is it Pnoy? Again dun sa sinabi ko na ala namang nangyayaring singilan sa na paglabas mo ng luisita exit may babayaran ka pang P20.00 para makapasok ng lusita compound hindi naman sumagot and nagpasimuno nito? yung issue about the land to be distributed to the farmers was settled during the 1980's pa ata at mga farmers during that time was already given those lands at may mga particular land holdings na silang dapat hinahawakan. For example isang magsasaka nun nabigyan ng 5hectares ang problema dumating ang 2012 nagkaroon na siya ng mga 7 anak dapat ba ang mga anak niya rin bibigyan ng tig lilimang ektaryang lupain di ba dapat ang ipapamahagi sa kanila ay yung 5 hectares lang na pinamahagi sa magulang nila?ang problema gusto pa nilang pati mga anak magkaroon din ng tiglilimang ektarya so saan ang fair play dun? This is a brilliant exposition, although I cannot understand it. Judging from the posts, I can surmise that they,too, cannot understand this esoteric essay. The writer must be great. For, as Ralph Waldo Emerson once said, "To be great is to be misunderstood." Quote Link to comment
uaeboy25 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) "Blatant lie" ba kamo? HLI did collect toll fees last June amounting to P20 for cars, P50 for minibuses, vans and small trucks, and P100 for large buses and trucks. But the Toll Regulatory Board (TRB)gave them a cease and desist order to stop them from further collecting the illegal fees. In June, tickets turned in by motorists as evidence to the Inquirer bore the names “JCSI-Bicsi”. Brown International Corporate Services Inc. (Bicsi) is the service company that is collecting fees for Jose Cojuangco and Sons Inc. (JCSI). Motorists are complaining because HLI did not pay for the construction of the interchange and has no legal right to impose fees on commuters using the interchange. All the costs of the road construction were shouldered by the contractor of the Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA), the owner and operator of SCTEX. take note, ang pagpagawa ng highway na yan galing sa tax ng tao, tax na binayadan ng sibilyan na ginamit bilang pondo ng gobyernyo. Pinondohan yan ng gobyerno pero mga cojuanco ang ang nakuha ng bayad. prenteng prente walang nilabas na pera sa pagpapagawa ng daan pero kumukuha ng toll. Edited November 15, 2011 by uaeboy25 Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) ^^^ what does your lenghty post have in relation to what I posted? What's your point? You seem to be pretty convice by the video so why dont you answer what I said? di ba on your other issues raise you say alang basis ang mga allegations namin sa manok na sina GMA et al so bakit ngayon ala kang basis sa video na ito yet you seem to believe it? Why would I even bother answer to what you say? Everything you put there has no relation to my post. And what does GMA got anything to do with the topic? Edited November 15, 2011 by camiar Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) The question is just as the same as those politicians that you defend so much how could that video prove the aquino and cojuangco for fault? Any moron could make that video but where is the proof behind it as most of our in house attorneys so claimed to be knowledgeable about..another is what exactly are the allegations that can be thrown on the current admin except speculations which is vehemently denied by our inhouse lawyers in this form when their favorite politicians is assailed with hailfaire of allegations...if its something bad about their favorite they cried foul if its something beneficial for their political pets they will say gods gift...sheesshhhh talk about hypocrisy...gagamitin ang issues para malihis sa dapat pagtuunan ng pansin yan din ang sinasabi nila dapat daw focus sa issues at hand that has basis pag tinitira ang mga idol nila pero pag may lumabas na issue na makakasira sa hindi nila gustong pulitiko sasabihin dapat pagtuunan ng pansin...Man be consistent!!!isnt on your other other debates you ask for sensible and factual allegations to be corroborated with evidence so what seems to be evidenciary about this video???I dont see any facts that are being presented merely speculations and more speculations...About the SCTEX how could a mere congressman have major role in having this project approve?? who where the deciding body that supposed to be approving the said project? who releases the funds and who does controll the budget for the said project? Is it Pnoy? Again dun sa sinabi ko na ala namang nangyayaring singilan sa na paglabas mo ng luisita exit may babayaran ka pang P20.00 para makapasok ng lusita compound hindi naman sumagot and nagpasimuno nito? yung issue about the land to be distributed to the farmers was settled during the 1980's pa ata at mga farmers during that time was already given those lands at may mga particular land holdings na silang dapat hinahawakan. For example isang magsasaka nun nabigyan ng 5hectares ang problema dumating ang 2012 nagkaroon na siya ng mga 7 anak dapat ba ang mga anak niya rin bibigyan ng tig lilimang ektaryang lupain di ba dapat ang ipapamahagi sa kanila ay yung 5 hectares lang na pinamahagi sa magulang nila?ang problema gusto pa nilang pati mga anak magkaroon din ng tiglilimang ektarya so saan ang fair play dun? This is a brilliant exposition, although I cannot understand it. Judging from the posts, I can surmise that they,too, cannot understand this esoteric essay. The writer must be great. For, as Ralph Waldo Emerson once said, "To be great is to be misunderstood." maybe he's on drugs.... Edited November 15, 2011 by camiar Quote Link to comment
Beretika Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 wala na ako tiwala kung sino man nasa tutok ng gobyerno Quote Link to comment
CUMonYou Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 LMAO! You claim to be knowledgeable about the issue and yet mali mali yata sinasabi mo? Walang ipinamigay na lupa sa mga magsasaka nuong panahon ni Marcos, at mas lalong wala nung panahon ni Cory, ang sinasabi mo siguro ay yung nakapaloob sa CARP kung saan binigyan ng SDO ang mga magsasaka ng Hacienda pero in the first place kwestyunable ang SDO dahil lumalabas na nilagyan ng exemption ni Cory ang Hacienda Luisita sa CARP sa pamamagitan ng paglalagay ng SDO sa Hacienda Luisitia na pag aari nila, dyan pa lang sa bagay na iyan ay malinaw na panlilinlang ng mga Aquino sa pamamagitan ni Corykong sa mga pobreng magsasaka. At karamihan sa magsasaka ay hindi pumayag sa SDO, at para malinawan ka lang, ang SDO ay hindi literal na nagbibigay ng lupa sa mga magsasaka kundi lumalabas lamang na bibigyan sila ng certificate of stocks at magiging part owner ang mga magsasaka ng kumpanya na nagpapatakbo ng Hacienda Luisita (TADECO) o sa madaling salita, magiging kasosyo ng mga Aquino/Cojuanco ang magsasaka na papayag sa SDO at magkakaroon sila ng hati sa kikitain ng ani sa lupa pero ang pagmamay-ari ng mga lupa ay mananatili sa mga Aquino, kaya kaya mali ang sinasabi mo na nabigyan ng lupa ang mga magsasaka nuong 1980s sa pamamagitan ng SDO. Get your facts straight! lmfao!Maybe need you talaga magresearch ng mabuti...even before the carp and the so called marcos regime may nabigyan na ng mga lupa at before may health benefits na ang mga magsasaka na nagtatrabaho sa luisita ano ginawa nila after binigay ang mga lupa? binenta na lang at nakipagtrabaho ulit sa luisita ng maubos na ang pera ng pinagbentahan tapos manghihingi ulit sila ng lupa...kung tarlakenyo ka malalmaan mo ang history na yan...kaya nga nag ka SDO dati ksi pinakita nila na hindi nila kaya humawak ng sariling lupa so that should set your facts straight..saan u naman nakuha mga info mo sa google??? sa SDO kung nagtatrabaho kang talaga malaki makukuha mo ngayon kung palamunin ka lang na want u lang para kang Don na nakaupo at pakuyakuyakoy wag mo aasahan na may mahihita ka na maganda...kung hindi ka magtrabaho then dont expect malaki makukuha mo... so ang tanung totoo rin ba ang sinasabi naningil sila ng 20 pesos after u lumabas ng lusita exit ng sctex pinakita rin ba yan ng google mo???? saka bakit ang aquino lang ba ang may issue sa hindi pamamahagi ng lupa nila? bakit hindi mo research kung ilang ektarya ng lupain din ang hawak ng mga arooyo sa negros na hanggang ngayon hindi nila pinamamahagi aber so baket ang mga aquino ang cojuangco lang ba? Research mo kaya ang hacienda bacan sa negros occidental since your so good at doing in behind a keyboard.... Quote Link to comment
CUMonYou Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 maybe he's on drugs.... maybe you are dude hindi mo pa nga nasasagot ang tinatanong ko sa iyo madaming magaling magsulat pero hanggang sulat lang at kathang isip Quote Link to comment
Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) Maybe need you talaga magresearch ng mabuti...even before the carp and the so called marcos regime may nabigyan na ng mga lupa at before may health benefits na ang mga magsasaka na nagtatrabaho sa luisita ano ginawa nila after binigay ang mga lupa? binenta na lang at nakipagtrabaho ulit sa luisita ng maubos na ang pera ng pinagbentahan tapos manghihingi ulit sila ng lupa...kung tarlakenyo ka malalmaan mo ang history na yan...kaya nga nag ka SDO dati ksi pinakita nila na hindi nila kaya humawak ng sariling lupa so that should set your facts straight..saan u naman nakuha mga info mo sa google??? sa SDO kung nagtatrabaho kang talaga malaki makukuha mo ngayon kung palamunin ka lang na want u lang para kang Don na nakaupo at pakuyakuyakoy wag mo aasahan na may mahihita ka na maganda...kung hindi ka magtrabaho then dont expect malaki makukuha mo... so ang tanung totoo rin ba ang sinasabi naningil sila ng 20 pesos after u lumabas ng lusita exit ng sctex pinakita rin ba yan ng google mo???? saka bakit ang aquino lang ba ang may issue sa hindi pamamahagi ng lupa nila? bakit hindi mo research kung ilang ektarya ng lupain din ang hawak ng mga arooyo sa negros na hanggang ngayon hindi nila pinamamahagi aber so baket ang mga aquino ang cojuangco lang ba? Research mo kaya ang hacienda bacan sa negros occidental since your so good at doing in behind a keyboard.... Haha..Mukhang nag iibento ka na lang ng sarili mong kwento, When the Government awarded the sale of the Hacienda to the Cojuancos under President Magsaysay, malinaw na sa kasunduan na after 10 years ay ibibigay sa mga magsasaka ang lupa which the Cojuancos never did. Ngayon magtatahi ka ng sarili mong kwento at depensa para sa mga Aquino, when in fact yang sinasabi mo ay hindi man lang naging depensa ng kampo ng mga Aquino sa kaso..hahaha.. Pangalawa, sinagot na yang tanong mo ni camiar at uaeboy regarding sa 20pesos na sinisingil ng mga Aquino sa Luisita Interchange, magbackread ka na lang. Edited November 16, 2011 by Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Quote Link to comment
uaeboy25 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Maybe need you talaga magresearch ng mabuti...mukhang ikaw ang kulang kulang sa impormasyon even before the carp and the so called marcos regime may nabigyan na ng mga lupa mr alternick, lam mo ba bakit pinakelaman ni marcos yan??? kasi mula sa time ni magsaysay hanggang sa time nya alang nagyari, kung may naipamahagi na sana that time hindi na aabot yan sa pinakelaman ni marcos yan. common sense tol even before the carp and the so called marcos regime may nabigyan na ng mga lupa at before may health benefits na ang mga magsasaka na nagtatrabaho sa luisita ano ginawa nila after binigay ang mga lupa? binenta na lang at nakipagtrabaho ulit sa luisita ng maubos na ang pera ng pinagbentahan tapos manghihingi ulit sila ng lupa...kung tarlakenyo ka malalmaan mo ang history na yan... biggest blunder i ever read hindi nila kaya humawak ng sariling lupa this is the most lame excuse ng ilang hacienderos bakit ayaw nila ibigay ang para sa mga magsaksaka. i think no brainer excuse. nagtatrabaho kang talaga malaki makukuha mo ngayon kung palamunin ka lang na want u lang para kang Don na nakaupo at pakuyakuyakoy wag mo aasahan na may mahihita ka na maganda... kasama ba sa tamad sina mikey cojuanco jaworski at kris aquino na hindi naman nagwork sa hacienda pero may narerecieved ??? paano ung nagtatrabaho sa sakada na pakyawan, per family ang bayaran kahit mas madaming anak mas mabuti dahil mas madaming kamay ang magtatrabaho sa bayad na tulad ng sa isang maliit na pamilya. so ang tanung totoo rin ba ang sinasabi naningil sila ng 20 pesos after u lumabas ng lusita exit ng sctex pinakita rin ba yan ng google mo???? nakakahiya ka.http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/87731/aquino-kin-to-collect-luisita-toll-again Philippine Daily Inquirer 10:45 pm | Thursday, November 3rd, 2011 CITY OF SAN FERNANDO—Starting Nov. 7, motorists using the San Miguel Road, a private road inside the 6,000-hectare Hacienda Luisita owned by relatives of President Benigno Aquino, will be required to pay toll whenever they take this route to get in and out of the government-built Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway (SCTEx). Motorists were notified about this plan through three billboards which were put up on Wednesday, although a cease and desist order (CDO) served by the Toll Regulatory Board (TRB) on June 2 remained in effect, according to TRB spokesperson Julius Corpuz. The notices did not state the name of the company that ordered the collection or the firm that it authorized to collect the fees, Corpuz said when asked for details. “The TRB directors have been informed [about the content of the billboards] and the course of action is now being explored should they decide to reimpose the fees,” Corpuz said. Jose “Peping” Cojuangco Jr., one of the owners of Hacienda Luisita Inc. (HLI) and who answered media queries on the same issue last year, did not reply to a call and text by the Inquirer. In a text message last June, Cojuangco identified the Brown International Corporate Services Inc. (Bicsi) as the company collecting the fees. He did not reply when asked who contracted Bicsi to do the task. In June, tickets turned in by motorists to the Inquirer bore the names “JCSI-Bicsi” and “SCI-MAC.” Lawyer Antonio Ligon, counsel of HLI, reiterated on Thursday that the company has nothing to do with the collection of toll, which Cojuangco referred to then as “pass through fees” amounting to P20 for cars, P50 for minibuses, vans and small trucks, and P100 for large buses and trucks. Ligon said the HLI could not be collecting fees on that road because it belongs to the Tarlac Development Corp. (TDC). The road passes through HLI’s 2.7-kilometer road, which was extended to the 5-km TDC road, he said. Cojuangco said the fees would be used to maintain and repair the San Miguel Road. According to Corpuz, the June 2 CDO drew three replies from HLI, Jose Cojuangco and Sons Inc. (JCSI) and Bicsi. “They wrote us in TRB to tell us that they’re suspending the collection out of courtesy but this is not a waiver of their right to collect toll for the road,” Corpuz said. “They consider the CDO invalid.” A TRB check with the Securities and Exchange Commission showed that Bicsi is doing services for JCSI. The plan to impose and collect toll, or pass through fees, was not consulted with the Bases Conversion and Development Authority, according to Arnel Paciano Casanova, president and chief executive officer of the agency. “We are not supporting it,” he said. “We are of the understanding that [the road] should be for public use and for free.” This, he added, was the “consideration for building the [Luisita] interchange there.” ---------------------------Maniningil na ulit sila, bad news toh, kaya pala puro diversification tactics at media grand standing si Abnoy, sa balwarte nya mismo may magic. long live aquino-cojuanco magic Quote Link to comment
Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Galing talaga pagdating sa gulangan ng mga Aquino. 1. Ang gobyerno ang gumastos para mapatayo ang SCTEx, at sinadyang idaan sa Hacienda at Industrial park ng mga Aquino ang kalsada para tumaas ang value ng lupa 2. Binayaran pa ng gobyerno ang mga Aquino/Cojuanco para sa right of way3. Ni-singkong duling walang ginastos ang mga Aquino para sa kalsada4. Ngayon ang lakas ng loob nila maningil sa mga motorista na dadaan sa Luisita Interchange hahaha..galing talaga ni abNoy, hindi daw corrupt...MANDURUGAS lang..hahaha Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 ^^^ O, ano CUMonYou? Hirit ka pa? Walang 20 pesos tong collection, ha? Blatant lie pala, ha? Nagpapanggap ka pang Tarlakeno. Ignorante ka naman sa nangyayari sa Tarlac. Quote Link to comment
kamote042988 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 last may 2011 paalis na kami nang sctex at sa luisita exit kami lumabas. aun. sinisingil kami nang 20 para makadaan. nung humingi kami nang resibo. ok na raw. pinadaan na kami without paying the 20 pesos. the idea was, pag me resibo kami. me proof na naniningil sila nang 20 para makadaan dun sa kalsada nila. na pinagawa nang gobyerno. by sheer coincidence, i read from the paper on that same day that the luisita management said that they issued an order to their people not to collect 20 pesos from the motorists. i believe it was peping cojuangco who said that. i have no idea though if they are still collecting 20 from motorists to this day. Quote Link to comment
uaeboy25 Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 http://www.mb.com.ph/node/257673 marami nag sasabi na Blasphemy ang ginawang picture, kung saan isinama sa painting ni Virgin Mary ang picture ng isang politician, from a known influencial family, try to put a picture of a convicted criminals it will be a case of Blasphemy for manny religious group, pero ok lang sa isang politician. Excuse sila kumabaga Quote Link to comment
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