South China/West Philippine Sea

[Soraoi_empire]

Kung lumabas na yung final decision ng Arbitral tribunal at pumanig satin, paano natin mababawi ang Scarborough shoal? Makakapasok pa kaya dun yung mga ships natin eh naka-standby na dun yung mga coast guard ng china.

[pinpoint015]

Kung lumabas na yung final decision ng Arbitral tribunal at pumanig satin, paano natin mababawi ang Scarborough shoal? Makakapasok pa kaya dun yung mga ships natin eh naka-standby na dun yung mga coast guard ng china.

 

Wala namang silbi yang kaso natin sa Arbitral tribunal eh. Di naman natatakot ang China dun. Ang China ngayon, parang Japan nung 1930s. May sanction na ang League of Nations sa kanila, wala sila pakialam. Dapat dyan, may kumompronta. Kung ginamitan tayo ng water cannon, gamitan din natin sila. Yung reresbak ka pero up to the point lang na hindi mo mapoprovoke ang mga Chinese.

[camiar]

Kung lumabas na yung final decision ng Arbitral tribunal at pumanig satin, paano natin mababawi ang Scarborough shoal? Makakapasok pa kaya dun yung mga ships natin eh naka-standby na dun yung mga coast guard ng china.

If the Arbitral Tribunal rules in our favor, then the international community will support us.

 

The Chinese will be politically isolated if they do not heed the Tribunal's ruling. Also, our ASEAN neighbors, Japan, and the US will have the valid political reason to openly support our struggle against the Chinese encroachment.

 

Nevertheless, it is still our responsibility to do the dirty job of expelling the Chinese out of our shoals. I'm sure our AFP has plans for that.

[*kalel*]

I don't understand your logic. Does akbayan, et. al. have anything to do with this?

 

Did the Americans in Clark Air Base and Subic Naval Base do anything when the Chinese People's Liberation Army constructed their illegal structures in the Spratlys? No, they didn't do anything.

 

Don't expect them to. It's not their job. It's ours.

 

Don't expect foreigners to protect your sovereignty.

You do not need to understand my logic... it is a simple question answerable by yes or no... btw akbayan et al is not a foreign entity.. sila palagi yung nagrarally at nagsasabing nag breach ng sovereignty ang US sa Pinas....

[camiar]

We should have enough national pride and dignity to be willing to fight for our sovereignty against the Chinese. Even if the odds are overwhelmingly against us.

 

Vietnam showed how when they harassed the Chinese oil rig and its naval escort ships more than a thousand times, using hundreds of unarmed civilian boats. It went on relentlessly until the Chinese realized the foolishness of their show of force in bringing their oil rig into the Paracels.

 

Moral of the story:

We can always wipe out a puny little hornet's nest, but it will not stop them from stinging us in droves if we disturb their home. And that is why we leave them alone.

Edited March 16, 2016 by camiar

[Soraoi_empire]

After nung nangyari sa Quirino atoll, Ph coast guard na mismo nagsabi na two years na nilang hindi napupuntahan para bantayan yung area na yun kasi may utos daw sakanila na i-pull out muna mga ships natin kasi makakaapekto daw sa case natin sa arbitration. Hindi ko maintindihan yang strategy nila pinoy, parang pagdating sa mga decision making sobrang mahina. Pwede naman magpatrolya yung mga ships natin dun, hindi naman ibig sabihin makikipag giyera na tayo sa china pero para atleast may makita lang na presence ng coast guard natin dun para lang malimitahan yung galaw ng china. Yung "pull out strategy" kasi na yan isa din yan sa dahilan kung bakit nawala satin ang scarborough shoal eh. Kaya ko din nasabi na mahina decision making ni pinoy dahil dun sa :

 

1. Manila Hostage Crisis

2. Ph coast guard and taiwanese fishing boat shooting incident

3. Bohol earthquake

4. Yolanda

5. SAF 44

6. Scarborough standoff

 

Yung paghandle ng lahat ng iyan, ewan ko ba parang hindi satisfied ang mga tao.

[Soraoi_empire]

Bakit hindi gumawa ng pier/dock ang goverment natin sa pag-asa island para pwede makapag-stay ang mga coast guard vessels natin dun? mas mapapadali pa yung pagmonitor nila sa iba pang mga isla hawak natin. Sa ngyon kasi isang rubber boat lang gingamit ng mga taga-bantay natin sa pag-asa, panu nila masasaway yung mga iligal na nangigisda dun eh mas malalaki pa yung mga bangka nila kaysa sa rubberboat natin

Edited March 28, 2016 by Soraoi_empire

[heatseeker0714]

Bakit hindi gumawa ng pier/dock ang goverment natin sa pag-asa island para pwede makapag-stay ang mga coast guard vessels natin dun? mas mapapadali pa yung pagmonitor nila sa iba pang mga isla hawak natin. Sa ngyon kasi isang rubber boat lang gingamit ng mga taga-bantay natin sa pag-asa, panu nila masasaway yung mga iligal na nangigisda dun eh mas malalaki pa yung mga bangka nila kaysa sa rubberboat natin

 

Development Projects are currently on hold prior to the decision of the PCA re our case against the PRC. To maintain and show our "Good Faith" per the DFA Peeps.

[camiar]

 

Development Projects are currently on hold prior to the decision of the PCA re our case against the PRC. To maintain and show our "Good Faith" per the DFA Peeps.

That means, once the Arbitral court's decision is given, that's the only time we can resume development projects?

 

In the meantime, the Chinese artificial island in recto reef is growing faster than ever.

 

It might be too late for us when the time comes.

[heatseeker0714]

That means, once the Arbitral court's decision is given, that's the only time we can resume development projects?

 

In the meantime, the Chinese artificial island in recto reef is growing faster than ever.

 

It might be too late for us when the time comes.

Yup... Actually AFP atat na atat na ipa-ayos yung runway natin dun and to put up a berth for a PCG or BFAR Vessel... Kaso with re to this issue, Albert Del Rosario and his DFA Peeps are the ones calling the shots... Kahit wala na si ADR sa DFA, eh ilang buwan na lang, hindi na din tayo makaka-kilos due to the upcoming Presidential Elections...

 

Pa-consuelo na lang ni Abnoy sa Philippine Navy are the ff:

 

3 used Hamilton Class Cutters from the US (they were given to us for free except for the refurbishment costs of 10 and 15 Million USD which is cheap considering a brand new Hamilton at today's prices is around 200 Mil USD, the 3rd Hamilton hindi pa natin alam kung magkano magagastos.)

 

1 used Research Vessel, the Melville (donated din. Yung 3rd Hamilton natin saka Melville yung sinabi ni Pareng Barrack last November)

 

5 used Balikpapan Class Landing Craft Heavy (2 donated by the Aussies while 3 were sold to us at a Friendship price of Php270Mil)

 

1 used Landing Craft Utility from the South Kimchi Eaters (donasyon ulit)

 

3 Brand New Multi Purpose Attack Crafts

 

2 Brand New Strategic Sealift Vessels, BRP Tarlac darating na dito by May in time for the Navy Anniversary (i'm gonna bet kung sino manalo presidente sa hometown nya ipapangalan ng Navy yung 2nd SSV... i.e. BRP Davao City, BRP Makati, BRP Capiz or BRP America... Joke! )

 

3 Brand New AW-109 Power Helicopters (Unarmed, for utility, SAR and training purposes)

 

2 Brand New AW-109 Power Helicopters (Armed with machine guns and guided rockets to support Philippine Marine and Navy Ops na bakbakan.)

Edited March 29, 2016 by heatseeker0714

[heatseeker0714]

Yup... Actually AFP atat na atat na ipa-ayos yung runway natin dun and to put up a berth for a PCG or BFAR Vessel... Kaso with re to this issue, Albert Del Rosario and his DFA Peeps are the ones calling the shots... Kahit wala na si ADR sa DFA, eh ilang buwan na lang, hindi na din tayo makaka-kilos due to the upcoming Presidential Elections...

Pa-consuelo na lang ni Abnoy sa Philippine Navy are the ff:

3 used Hamilton Class Cutters from the US (they were given to us for free except for the refurbishment costs of 10 and 15 Million USD which is cheap considering a brand new Hamilton at today's prices is around 200 Mil USD, the 3rd Hamilton hindi pa natin alam kung magkano magagastos.)

1 used Research Vessel, the Melville (donated din. Yung 3rd Hamilton natin saka Melville yung sinabi ni Pareng Barrack last November)

5 used Balikpapan Class Landing Craft Heavy (2 donated by the Aussies while 3 were sold to us at a Friendship price of Php270Mil)

1 used Landing Craft Utility from the South Kimchi Eaters (donasyon ulit)

3 Brand New Multi Purpose Attack Crafts

2 Brand New Strategic Sealift Vessels, BRP Tarlac darating na dito by May in time for the Navy Anniversary (i'm gonna bet kung sino manalo presidente sa hometown nya ipapangalan ng Navy yung 2nd SSV... i.e. BRP Davao City, BRP Makati, BRP Capiz or BRP America... Joke! )

3 Brand New AW-109 Power Helicopters (Unarmed, for utility, SAR and training purposes)

2 Brand New AW-109 Power Helicopters (Armed with machine guns and guided rockets to support Philippine Marine and Navy Ops na bakbakan.)

2 Brand New AW-159 Future Lynx Anti-Submarine Warfare Helicopters.

[Soraoi_empire]

Ang inaalala ko kasi yung sa scarborough shoal nagbabadya ng i-reclaim ng china, U.S na mismo nagsabi na may mga nakita silang mga research vessels sa area. Samantalang ang Navy natin wala naman daw silang namomonitor? sinu ba paniniwalaan? Kung sabagay alanganin yung pag-reclaim ng china sa panatag kasi sobrang lapit sa Subic wala silang depensa maliban na lang kung magpapadala sila dun ng isang katutak na CCG at warships para magbantay habang nagrereclaim.

[Soraoi_empire]

Kailan nga pala darating yung corvette na ibibigay ng korea? pati yung next batch nung FA50?

[camiar]

Ang inaalala ko kasi yung sa scarborough shoal nagbabadya ng i-reclaim ng china, U.S na mismo nagsabi na may mga nakita silang mga research vessels sa area. Samantalang ang Navy natin wala naman daw silang namomonitor? sinu ba paniniwalaan? Kung sabagay alanganin yung pag-reclaim ng china sa panatag kasi sobrang lapit sa Subic wala silang depensa maliban na lang kung magpapadala sila dun ng isang katutak na CCG at warships para magbantay habang nagrereclaim.

 

China will only look like a fool if they ever try to build or do reclamation works on the Scarborough Shoal.

They might as well start a full invasion of the Philippines. They will have war on their hands either way.

[allymd78]

U.N. Must intervene asap to avoid conflict. International laws must be abided and not historical claims that was presented by china. That bullying attitude of china must be stop.

[heatseeker0714]

Kailan nga pala darating yung corvette na ibibigay ng korea? pati yung next batch nung FA50?

Yung Corvette not sure eh... this year perharps? nakatali kase yun sa order natin na 12 FA-50PH. As for the FA-50PH, this year if i'm not mistaken 6 then next year 4... Basta 2017 completion of delivery...

[heatseeker0714]

http://www.angmalaya.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/c-295-PAF-1024x614.jpg

 

EADS CASA C-295 MEDIUM LIFT AIRCRAFT FROM AIRBUS DEFENCE AND SPACE, SPAIN

 

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/4/1/1376145.jpg

 

Cockpit

 

http://fotos.subefotos.com/9976a9d1421f17185fcf26f28009a33do.jpg

 

Interior

 

http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/InteriorC295_zpshxyp6hvj.jpg

 

SND Volts Gazmin, AFP Brass and Airbus Military Representative

[Soraoi_empire]

Hindi masyadong napag-uusapan ito ah. Ewan ko ba pero gusto ko lagi ako updated sa mga nangyayari tungkol dito, parang nadudurog kasi ang puso ko kapag naiisip ko na tinatapakan tayo ng ibang bansa (like china). Umiinit ang dugo ko kapag naiisip ko yung nangyari sa mischief reef at scarborough shoal nawala na lang satin ng gnun na lang.

Meron ako mga nabasa sa news na may binili daw tayo mga vessels galing france? totoo kaya ito? pang coast guard ba ito?

Edited June 19, 2016 by Soraoi_empire

[heatseeker0714]

Hindi masyadong napag-uusapan ito ah. Ewan ko ba pero gusto ko lagi ako updated sa mga nangyayari tungkol dito, parang nadudurog kasi ang puso ko kapag naiisip ko na tinatapakan tayo ng ibang bansa (like china). Umiinit ang dugo ko kapag naiisip ko yung nangyari sa mischief reef at scarborough shoal nawala na lang satin ng gnun na lang.

Meron ako mga nabasa sa news na may binili daw tayo mga vessels galing france? totoo kaya ito? pang coast guard ba ito?

Meron din ako nadinig, pang Philippine Coast Guard nga...

 

Anyways, 2 USN CVBGs are currently in the WPS Area conducting "Training Exercises"... These are the John C. Stennis CVBG and Ronald Reagan CVBG...

[Soraoi_empire]

After lumabas yung decision sa tribunal, unang gawin agad ng pinas eh isecure yung reed bank. Isa yan sa pinaka-alas natin. Kapag nawala pa yan ewan ko na lang kung ano mangyayari sa pinas. Isa pang problema is panu mababawi yung panatag shoal. sabi nga ni Justice Carpio Isa nga daw sa sina-suggest eh magpadala daw tayo ng 1000 boats dun ng mga fishermans natin kasama din yung ibang mga youth volunteers. Pero dapat may kasama din barko ng coast guard pang protect sa mga volunteers natin. Kahit limang barko pa yan ng chinese coast guard, sa sobrang dami natin pwede natin mapasok yung panatag shoal.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Soraoi_empire

[daphne loves derby]

The tribunal decision will be made/released this coming July 12, and China already stated to not honor this and decided to become a UN outlaw if ever

 

brace yourselves people for whats coming next

[hellyeah1]

Jet Ski is in the midst! Dapat ang entrace ni Pres. Duterte parang Waterworld ang style ng pag Jet Ski nya! Bwekekekekkee!

[bangad]

it seems china is seeing that the arbitral tribunal doesn't have jurisdiction over the case and the whole process is only politically motivated

[heatseeker0714]

Yung tipong 5 taon na trinabaho ng matino ni Former SFA Albert Del Rosario eh ipapapasa mo lang sa isang Jun Yasay... As SEC Chair Yasay was ok... But Foreign Affairs is a different ball game...

[Soraoi_empire]

Well, mukhang plano ng china magpadala ng maraming fishing boats sa panatag shoal, Eto yata yung magiging sagot nila after lumabas yung result sa tribunal. Ang hinihintay ko eh kung ano naman ang magiging diskarte natin.