wolfwhistler Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 maybe right now, Pnoy is still loved by the people, but the way his popularity is slipping, i dont think that love will last for 5 more years. GMA started her presidency being loved by the people, remember edsa 2? while it may be true that there were presidents who were less competent who led their respective countries with honestly and integrity, i dont think Pnoy will be in the same category. are you asking me if i love gloria? no, i dont. in fact, i'd love to see her jailed. but i think we dont need senate investigations on what GMA did. do we really need a senate investigation for the poll cheatings when it is common knowledge? can the senate declare her guilty of corruption in the PCSO? the senate hearings are nothing but PR attacks against gloria, designed to make people hate her more.... nothing more than that through trial by publicity. i believe GMA still is entitled to a fair trial. if there are evidence of corruption or cheating, as the case may be. FILE IT IN THE APPROPRIATE COURT. not through trial by publicity. i believe it will save more time and govt resources (something Pnoy is "practicing") in prosecuting her if cases are filed in the Ombudsman or DOJ rather than in senate investigations. do you agree with me? the senate hearings are part and parcel of the democratic process...you might have a different opinion about why they are conducted but i think we should let democracy do its job...we would have NOT learned more about the nbn-zte if not for the senate hearings... like you, i believe GMA is entitled to a fair trial, and she might have been tried fairlyif she allowed her impeachment(s) to proceed instead of paying off her party's congressmen,not once, not twice but three times ! the least of what could have been accomplished would be that evidence could have been brought out in the open for us, the people, to discern...but she suppressed the process by bribery, which should NOT be done in a democracy...also, she used her office (by issuing orders) to supress people from testifying - remember Gudani and Balutan, in hello garci ?...and then, later on, Neri in the broadband deal? maybe the point i'm trying to make is ...congressional hearings will always be a part of a democracy...we elected senators and congressmen and they are just doing their jobs...if a person is NOT guilty, no trial, whether by publicity or court would convict him or her...i see nothing wrong with letting the nation participate in the democratic processes...transparency promotes a better democracy... note: sometimes, trial by publicity works for the accused...remember OJ Simpson ?...or recently, Casey Anthony ?... Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 the senate hearings are part and parcel of the democratic process...you might have a different opinion about why they are conducted but i think we should let democracy do its job...we would have NOT learned more about the nbn-zte if not for the senate hearings... the least of what could have been accomplished would be that evidence could have been brought out in the open for us, the people, to discern...but she suppressed the process by bribery, which should NOT be done in a democracy...also, she used her office (by issuing orders) to supress people from testifying - remember Gudani and Balutan, in hello garci ?...and then, later on, Neri in the broadband deal? maybe the point i'm trying to make is ...congressional hearings will always be a part of a democracy...we elected senators and congressmen and they are just doing their jobs...if a person is NOT guilty, no trial, whether by publicity or court would convict him or her...i see nothing wrong with letting the nation participate in the democratic processes...transparency promotes a better democracy... you must have a different definition of democracy. anyway, our country is run by laws, and not by democracy in the purest form. we are, technically, a republican country. at any rate, the constitution is clear, the duty of the senate is to make laws, and not be the exposer of corruption, etc. while they may conduct investigations in aid of legislation, the senate seems to have more investigations than legislation. it seems that the investigations are in aid of polictics. is that what you really want, a country with leaders doing nothing but politicking? for me, trasaprency is not watching the senate hearings... i personally can vouch for you that the senate hearings are designed to attack a person's credibility. the evidence there are mostly fabricated and the persons conducting the investigation are very partial. i handled several cases in the senate hearings, talo lagi clients ko. they are in a hostile territory. pinasasama na ng mga senador, ganun din sa media. tindi pa ng backdoor politics. we had a client wo paid a senator 10M so she wont be dragged in the investigation. if you only know that this democracy has been bastardized by your beloved senators. like you, i believe GMA is entitled to a fair trial, and she might have been tried fairlyif she allowed her impeachment(s) to proceed instead of paying off her party's congressmen,not once, not twice but three times ! as i said, the congressional hearings are politics. if GMA allowed an impeachment, she would have suffered the same fate as erap. talo sa technicality, nag walk out, then in a few hours, may people power nanaman. tama lang na pinigilan nya ang impeachment, imagine if every president in this country is being removed by people power. ang sama ng impression nyan sa international community. note: sometimes, trial by publicity works for the accused...remember OJ Simpson ?...or recently, Casey Anthony ?... and where is casey anthony now? hiding because of death threats. afraid of her safety even though she was acquitted in court. how about OJ, he never got his life back. the latest i heard from him is that he was charged with robbery. so how can you say that trial by publicity can work for the accused? Quote Link to comment
laging_nagmamahal Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 at any rate, the constitution is clear, the duty of the senate is to make laws, and not be the exposer of corruption, etc. while they may conduct investigations in aid of legislation, the senate seems to have more investigations than legislation. Isn't exposing corruption a part of the so-called Congressional Oversight function? tama lang na pinigilan nya ang impeachment, imagine if every president in this country is being removed by people power. ang sama ng impression nyan sa international community. Does it necessarily follow that if Aling Gloria got impeached, she would be removed by people power? Even the impeached Erap was not removed via people power. If Mike Arroyo's own accounts were to be believed, people power was a mere backdrop he himself orchestrated. Erap's ouster was the culmination of Mike Arroyo's plans from, according to Mike Arroyo himself, day one of Erap's presidency. Quote Link to comment
hav0k Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Dear NOy sampahan mo na sa courte and move on bahala na mga bataan mo doon Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 you must have a different definition of democracy. anyway, our country is run by laws, and not by democracy in the purest form. we are, technically, a republican country. at any rate, the constitution is clear, the duty of the senate is to make laws, and not be the exposer of corruption, etc. while they may conduct investigations in aid of legislation, the senate seems to have more investigations than legislation. it seems that the investigations are in aid of polictics. is that what you really want, a country with leaders doing nothing but politicking? for me, trasaprency is not watching the senate hearings... i personally can vouch for you that the senate hearings are designed to attack a person's credibility. the evidence there are mostly fabricated and the persons conducting the investigation are very partial. i handled several cases in the senate hearings, talo lagi clients ko. they are in a hostile territory. pinasasama na ng mga senador, ganun din sa media. tindi pa ng backdoor politics. we had a client wo paid a senator 10M so she wont be dragged in the investigation. if you only know that this democracy has been bastardized by your beloved senators. perhaps, my question would be...are your clients really innocent?... i believe that you are a good lawyer and you could compete mentally with the best senators of the land... jose pidal did well when he was called to testify...and so did iggy arroyo...both, as you are well aware, are 'still' free men... even garci did well... we cannot enjoy the freedom that democracy guarantees us and cherry pick what's good about the system...we can't say i love democracy because i am guaranteed free speech and yet say i do NOT like democracy because of the senate committee hearings...if i were a lawyer i cannot say 'i would only defend the innocent and to hell with those who admit guilt'...we have to take the good with the bad... why would you admit that your client paid off a senator ?...i hope you dont get disbarred ? finally, everything about politics is not bad...also, not all lawyers are bad.... p.s. try watching the US senate hearings and the Murdoch hearings...if we listen closely enough, we might learn that democracy/politics is the same everywhere....manila, london or washington d.c....or would you rather be in north korea ? Quote Link to comment
heatseeker0714 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Noy. Isa kong masugid na maka-Gibo. As a matter of fact, I don't like you. Pero salamat sa taus pusong suporta sa AFP, lalo na sa Navy na ilang dekada ng neglected dahil parating Army ang paborito ng mga nagdaang administrasyon. Napakalaking bagay nung BRP Gregorio Del Pilar, sana meron pang mga kasunod. We are a maritime country that neglects it's navy, i think under your administration, i HOPE under your administration, magbago na ito. Quote Link to comment
heatseeker0714 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Hoy! Noy! Who was that public official who drove an Audi at 230 km/hr at SCTEX last weekend? He almost lost control of the car at high speed. Was that you? huwag naman sana.... konti pa lang naitutulong nya sa Philippine Navy & Philippine Air Force... Quote Link to comment
ensure Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 please step down. k, thanks. Quote Link to comment
elyaspsp Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Dear Noynoy, kailang ka ba mag-aasawa? Quote Link to comment
CUMonYou Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Dear NOy sampahan mo na sa courte and move on bahala na mga bataan mo doonEasier said than done...wag gumaya kina casino at culmenares na mga bobo mga animal sampa lang ng sampa ala pang substance para magka media mileage tapos pag hindi masupurtahan kaso nila magngangawa na ala daw ginawa ang admin..sandamakmak na mga bobo at gago talaga ngayon nagkareason ang mga animal na akusado na mag express ng right to self incrimination which on most opinion is a clear abuse of the said constitutional right.....I mean how could you incriminte yourself kung lahat ng sinasabi mo ay pawang katotohanan at ala kang ginawang kagaguhan nung ikaw ay nanungkulan??? Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Pls speed up the justice system!!! Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 please step down. k, thanks. Is that reasonable enough? You're just one of the 84M or so Filipinos. How about those millions who voted for him? Do you think they want P-noy to step down? It's a six-year term, pls remember that. Do you have some person in mind as P-noy's replacement? Or you want another MORE CORRUPT official to replace him? Quote Link to comment
KillTheDEVIL Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Pls jail GMA and other corrupt leaders of the last admin Quote Link to comment
scam Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Is that reasonable enough? You're just one of the 84M or so Filipinos. How about those millions who voted for him? Do you think they want P-noy to step down? It's a six-year term, pls remember that. Do you have some person in mind as P-noy's replacement? Or you want another MORE CORRUPT official to replace him? His not the only one, there are millions as well who did not vote for KALIDIOT. Take note that Kalidiot only got 42% of the total vote meaningthe remaining 58% are against him which are the majotiy. Of the 42% who voted for him, how any more are disgruntled with his incompetence that they are repenting they voted for him. So that's even below 42% as of now. On the replacement, Binay being vice president will automatically replace the idiot. Binay is no doubt more capable to govern than this stupid idiot son of cory. Quote Link to comment
artvader Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'm willing to bet he's going to use the inherited problem/blame game speech again this coming SONA. Stop it already! We're tired of it. Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 His not the only one, there are millions as well who did not vote for KALIDIOT. Take note that Kalidiot only got 42% of the total vote meaningthe remaining 58% are against him which are the majotiy. Of the 42% who voted for him, how any more are disgruntled with his incompetence that they are repenting they voted for him. So that's even below 42% as of now. On the replacement, Binay being vice president will automatically replace the idiot. Binay is no doubt more capable to govern than this stupid idiot son of cory. a very, very idiotic proposition....coming from someone who thinks the president is an idiot...if the perception of the world was that during gloria arroyo's administration, the philippines was corrupt because its president was corrupt...does it follow that all filipinos are idiots because of one idiotwho thinks that the person who holds the highest office of the land is an idiot...ergo the vice presidentwho will replace the idiot president is also an idiot ?... if you cant follow the logic...you must admit that you are an idiot .... if you understand the logic...then what are you ? 1 Quote Link to comment
scam Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 a very, very idiotic proposition....coming from someone who thinks the president is an idiot...if the perception of the world was that during gloria arroyo's administration, the philippines was corrupt because its president was corrupt...does it follow that all filipinos are idiots because of one idiotwho thinks that the person who holds the highest office of the land is an idiot...ergo the vice presidentwho will replace the idiot president is also an idiot ?... if you cant follow the logic...you must admit that you are an idiot .... if you understand the logic...then what are you ? The logic is your just another idiot. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) Is that reasonable enough? You're just one of the 84M or so Filipinos. How about those millions who voted for him? Do you think they want P-noy to step down? It's a six-year term, pls remember that. Do you have some person in mind as P-noy's replacement? Or you want another MORE CORRUPT official to replace him?10 Million gullible Filipinos voted for him. Not 84 million. And many of those who voted for him are regretting it now. Edited July 24, 2011 by camiar Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 a very, very idiotic proposition....coming from someone who thinks the president is an idiot...if the perception of the world was that during gloria arroyo's administration, the philippines was corrupt because its president was corrupt...does it follow that all filipinos are idiots because of one idiotwho thinks that the person who holds the highest office of the land is an idiot...ergo the vice presidentwho will replace the idiot president is also an idiot ?... if you cant follow the logic...you must admit that you are an idiot .... if you understand the logic...then what are you ? mind if i join the discussion? i dont think you used proper logic. assuming you are correct in what you said, you failed to equate that "the philippines" is equal to "All Filipinos". of course, saying that the Philippines is corrupt means the COuntry, IN GENERAL, is corrupt. It does not necessarily mean that ALL the filipinos are corrupt. so to say that we have an idiot for a president does not necessarily mean ALL the filipinos are idiots because THE PHILIPPINES, as a country, does not necessarily mean ALL the filipinos. the term "THE Philippines" is a mere generalization. (i am not saying that i agree with scam that the president is an idiot, my point here is that your conclusion is not logical) Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 mind if i join the discussion? i dont think you used proper logic. assuming you are correct in what you said, you failed to equate that "the philippines" is equal to "All Filipinos". of course, saying that the Philippines is corrupt means the COuntry, IN GENERAL, is corrupt. It does not necessarily mean that ALL the filipinos are corrupt. so to say that we have an idiot for a president does not necessarily mean ALL the filipinos are idiots because THE PHILIPPINES, as a country, does not necessarily mean ALL the filipinos. the term "THE Philippines" is a mere generalization. (i am not saying that i agree with scam that the president is an idiot, my point here is that your conclusion is not logical) welcome to the discussion... you have a point...about not agreeing with scam... though, i would suppose you forgot to include my proposition which is"IF the perception of the world was that during gloria arroyo' administration,".....quite a very important part of the logic, wouldnt you say ?... Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 welcome to the discussion... you have a point...about not agreeing with scam... though, i would suppose you forgot to include my proposition which is"IF the perception of the world was that during gloria arroyo' administration,".....quite a very important part of the logic, wouldnt you say ?... not really, why, was there any perception during the time of the GMA administration that ALL FILIPINOS are corrupt? what you said kasi, the perception was the the PHILIPPINES was corrupt..... did that mean ALL FILIPINOS or the filipinos in general (take note, i am only assuming that you are right and there was indeed such perception) Quote Link to comment
laging_nagmamahal Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 For me to conclude that PNoy is an idiot, I must be shown proof that his IQ is 25 or below. For me to conclude that PNoy is Kalbo, there must be a certificate attesting to the total absence of hair in his head.... or, do I still need to prove that he has a head? Just kidding, of course. Quote Link to comment
TanglewoodBoy Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 by the way, SONA ni PNOY kanina di ba?? any comments or violent reactions?? didn't get to watch because had a lot of errands to do, hehehehe Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Pnoy, madali kasing tirahin si GMA at ang corrupt practices nya dahil wala na sya sa kapangyarihan. bibilib ako sa iyo kung kaya mong i-prosecute ang mga enrile, estrada, cayetano, duterte, at iba pang ka-alyado mong kawatan sa gobyerno. Quote Link to comment
lomex32 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Pnoy lets start it with a more simple one .... giwe away Hacienda Luisita .... NOW Pnoy,madali kasing tirahin si GMA at ang corrupt practices nya dahil wala na sya sa kapangyarihan. bibilib ako sa iyo kung kaya mong i-prosecute ang mga enrile, estrada, cayetano, duterte, at iba pang ka-alyado mong kawatan sa gobyerno. Quote Link to comment
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