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Lol, ang tanong ginusto ba talaga ni Manny noon na sya mismo makipagnegosasyon ng terms sa laban? Papano ba sya nakipagusap noon? Ang alam ko mulat sapul matagal ng sinasabi kay manny to be his own boss at sya kumausap mismo kay mayweather. Nung nagkausap sila mismo, a few weeks later terms were agreed up. But you will still not vindicate Floyd probably. Not even after manny loses to him

 

Unfortunately instead of answering my question if there was a counter offer made by Floyd when Manny rejected his low ball offer, you question whether Manny wanted to negotiate for the term. Obviously there was none. Your thinking is a bit off considering what is there to negotiate when no one comes forward. floyd called manny and he could have easily called him again to raise the offer...did he?

 

Hay naku tigilan mo ako sa sinasabi mo na silang dalawa magusap at kinikwestiyon mo pa kung handa bang makipagusap si mannny. hahahaha...gusto mo pang baligtarin ang sitwasyon. Alam natin na "open" to negotiation si Manny. Nakapagusap sila dati. Pero walang ginawang follow-up si Floyd given that he wants to take the lead in this promotion.

 

Pati un mga demands ni Floyd tulad nun drug test unti-unting napapayag si Manny. Its really about the $$$ offer of Floyd. Kasi alam natin na nagusap na sila dati pero binarat lang ni Floyd si Manny na kala niya kakagat. At nun hindi ano ang ginawa niya? Katakut-takot na panguudyok na umabot sa demandahan? Tapos nun hindi talaga uubra ang style nila sa negosasyon humirit si Floyd na gahaman si Manny para ano siya ang magmukhang masama? Ang kaso hinamon ni manny na maglaban sila at lahat ng kikitain ibigay sa charity...kinagat ba? tameme na naman si Floyd.

 

O e anu na ngayon? Would the fight be consumated if hindi nila bayaran ng tama si Manny kahit na isang taon pa na silang dalawa lang magusap.

 

Ibibigay niyo rin pala un split revenue sharing na sana nun una pa lang binigay na ninyo at baka sakali part 3 na laban na itong inaabangan natin sa mayo 2.

 

Sa totoo lang feeling ko manny probably deserve the 60/40 split more 5 years ago than today. If i am not mistaken, It was Floyd who was the underdog in the las vegas odds when news broke out of a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather bout then.

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Ang tanong ko, bakit laging kasalanan ito ni Mayweather? Bakit pag walang kontratang napirmahan unang assumption nyo takot sya kay Pacquiao. Kung may dapat sya katakutan, ano? Na matatalo siya ni Pacquiao? Eh bat di nyo masagot sagot ang simpleng tanong na papano sya matatalo? Skillwise, alam natin na hirap si Pacquiao sa precision boxers. Yung mga di laging pasugod ang laro.

 

Laging kasalanan ni Mayweather, samantalan nung May 2012, si Bob Arum naman ang hindi pumayag na tanggapin ni Pacquiao hamon. Ang dahilan kelangan pa daw magpagawa ng outdoor stadium sa strip, at kelangan pa pagalingin putok sa kilay mula sa laban kay Marquez. Ironically, a month after than, kinasa naman ni Bob Arum si Manny kay Bradley at dun pa natalo. lol.

 

So kung si Pacquiao magpalusot, ok lang?

 

x x x

 

Ngayon naniniwala na ako dahil me contract na, date at venue na! To answer your question, si Mayweather lang naman ang nagde-demand ng kung ano-anong outrageous/out-of-this-world clause in the past para lumaban ke Manny, if you asked why? To be able to dodge Manny!

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Unfortunately instead of answering my question if there was a counter offer made by Floyd when Manny rejected his low ball offer, you question whether Manny wanted to negotiate for the term. Obviously there was none. Your thinking is a bit off considering what is there to negotiate when no one comes forward. floyd called manny and he could have easily called him again to raise the offer...did he?

 

Hay naku tigilan mo ako sa sinasabi mo na silang dalawa magusap at kinikwestiyon mo pa kung handa bang makipagusap si mannny. hahahaha...gusto mo pang baligtarin ang sitwasyon. Alam natin na "open" to negotiation si Manny. Nakapagusap sila dati. Pero walang ginawang follow-up si Floyd given that he wants to take the lead in this promotion.

 

Pati un mga demands ni Floyd tulad nun drug test unti-unting napapayag si Manny. Its really about the $$$ offer of Floyd. Kasi alam natin na nagusap na sila dati pero binarat lang ni Floyd si Manny na kala niya kakagat. At nun hindi ano ang ginawa niya? Katakut-takot na panguudyok na umabot sa demandahan? Tapos nun hindi talaga uubra ang style nila sa negosasyon humirit si Floyd na gahaman si Manny para ano siya ang magmukhang masama? Ang kaso hinamon ni manny na maglaban sila at lahat ng kikitain ibigay sa charity...kinagat ba? tameme na naman si Floyd.

 

O e anu na ngayon? Would the fight be consumated if hindi nila bayaran ng tama si Manny kahit na isang taon pa na silang dalawa lang magusap.

 

Ibibigay niyo rin pala un split revenue sharing na sana nun una pa lang binigay na ninyo at baka sakali part 3 na laban na itong inaabangan natin sa mayo 2.

 

Sa totoo lang feeling ko manny probably deserve the 60/40 split more 5 years ago than today. If i am not mistaken, It was Floyd who was the underdog in the las vegas odds when news broke out of a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather bout then.

 

Blah blah blah! Most of what you are saying here are trivial at this point. Moreover it reflects you lack of knowledge sa timeline ng negosasyon at sa mismong sport na ito. Sus, typical pactard.

 

A meeting took place, weeks later contracts were singed. Even the 2 networks easily came to agreement. Looks to me, all Floyd really wanted was that sila mismo magusap at magkaharap. Natural! Mahirap makipagtawaran ng malaking pera sa taong di mo nakakausap personal. At ano gusto mo? Ibunyag sana ni Floyd Negotiation strategy nya sa media? Ayus! Eh di siningitan sya ni Bob Arum at maiisahan nanaman sya. Ano sya tanga? So inantay nya na sila magusap. Para sakin, nagpakumbaba na tao sa gesture na ito. Sya na lumapit kay Pacquiao at kumatok sa pinto nya. Ilang linggo lang ayus na? O di ba? Hindi naman pala sya mahirap kausapin eh.

 

Dapat nga vindicated na si Floyd sa mga paratang dahil ayan na kontrata, napakadali nasettle lahat ng problema with just one meeting. Kahit yung 2 network na magkatunggali mabilis na nagkasundo. Kung 5 years ago pa ito nangyari, eh di sana walang problema. Baka pati sa issue ng drug testing madali din nagkumprumiso yung tao kung si Manny mismo lumakad nito.

 

Ikaw ang tumigil kakasabi na willing si Manny makipagnegosasyon na sya mismo at hindi yung middlemen nya. Di kasi sinusundan tama yung timeline eh. Ano ba sabi lagi ni Manny noon? "Talk to my promoter, sya na bahala dyan". "If the fight happens, good, if not Im ok with it also". Nagsasagutan lang sila sa mga media interview at social media. Kung talagang desidido si Manny, dapat nagassert sya sa promoter nya na ito ang gusto nyang laban at gusto nya sya mismo makikipagusap. Matagal na actually sinasabi ni Floyd na "Be your own boss manny, and lets talk, Im not difficult to find, check out the guy with the best rolls royce in vegas". Hayz

 

Kung talagang umiiwas lang sya kay Manny, sana nagretire na lang sya. Parang si Leonard. Panay retire para di mapressure na labanan si Hagler. lol. Wala naman dahilan para iwasan nya si Manny, kasi unang una, kikita naman sya. Pangalawa, kayang kaya nya naman talunin yung tao.

 

Hindi rin kahit kelan naging favorite si Manny sa matchup na ito sus. Underdog sya consistently sa mga betting odds ano ka ba. Don't even get started with the demolishon of Hatton and a Dela Hoya who was not even healthy when he fought them. You gotta understand that boxing is about style. Hindi lang ito parang basagan ng mukha tulad sa napapanood mo sa rocky series. Tactical finesse din ang larong ito at dyan magaling si Mayweather.

 

Hirap kasi sa inyong mga pactards, ang crux lang naman ng reasoning nyo Mayweather = Bad, Pacquiao = Good. Hindi ito pinoy action flick kung saan yun bida na mabait ang laging mananalo. At isa pa, Mayweather never wanted Manny to be the bad guy. Thats his role in the sport. To be the bad guy. Can't you see? He is deliberately making people hate him. Because you watch him fight either to see him win, or hope hed lose. Eitherway he gets paid

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Ngayon naniniwala na ako dahil me contract na, date at venue na! To answer your question, si Mayweather lang naman ang nagde-demand ng kung ano-anong outrageous/out-of-this-world clause in the past para lumaban ke Manny, if you asked why? To be able to dodge Manny!

 

Actually, Floyd should be vindicated already. Nagpakumbaba na nga yung tao at sya na mismo kumatok sa pintuan nya at ilang linggo matapos, ayus na usapan.

 

Kayo kasi, tingin nyo dito parang pelikula na laging kelangan kampihan kung sino yung bida.

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I read somewhere that the meeting in Miami was not accidental. Money knew somehow that Manny would be in that Heat game.

 

More than the drug tests, more than the split, all Floyd really wanted was a meeting with Pacquiao himself to explain his own business proposition. Of course he will not disclose this to the media. The mere fact that it was Floyd who approached and knocked on Manny's door proved that he does want this fight to happen.

 

I do not really see why he would dodge manny, considering he is his biggest payday, and most of all skillwise he is better than him

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Manny is blessed with quickness and power. Money is gifted with cat-quick reflexes that is why opponents' punches, more often than not, don't hit their target because Money is already out of the strike zone even before the punch gets there. In terms of smarts, Mayweather is it. His unblemished record speaks for itself. This is my take, for Pacquiao to win, he has to maximize his side to side movement and hit Money at angles. A moving target is much more difficult to hit than a stationary target so Manny has to be in constant movement. Also, Manny should put constant pressure by not letting up with his moving attack.

 

Isa pa, dapat marunong din sya dumepensa o lumaban pag napapaatras na. Tignan mo yung kay Marquez, pag nahuhuli sya pag pasok, at mapipilitan sya umatras wala na di na alam gagawin kaya napupuruhan ng combination

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Haay salamat tapos na yung Debate! (Granted I just joined in now) :)

We should stop talking about who was avoiding who, etc. the fight is a done deal.

Now comes the way more exciting part, which the guys already started.

Now we can discuss about each other's take on the fighter's skills.

 

Pacquiao being Pinoy my heart is rooting for him. But I agree with the others who says that Brains and skills, lamang si Mayweather. Just take a look at the initial Odds that are being given. Dehado si Manny.

 

As mentioned, Mayweather is a "smarter" fighter, he will counter punch Manny if he is given the opportunity all day long.

Manny should learn from his last Knockout loss, same thing might happen to him. So he should train and watch out for that.

 

I also again agree to those that said that Manny should forget everything that he is doing that is not boxing related, sobrand daming distractions. I think May is actually quite short for him to prepare. Si Money professional talaga yan, if he is not training his is running his big mouth off, which plays to his advantage as a pro boxer, you either like him or hate him, even if you hate him, you want to watch him and root for the other guy to beat him up, but so far this has not happened yet.

 

So going back, what do you guys think should Manny do to beat the crap out of Money?

What do you think Money should do to beat the crap out of Manny?

You guys think there will be a knockout?

 

To start it off, I think if Manny wants to win, he needs to make Money feel his fists early. But fight smart.

He should not let the crowd "pressure him" to start brawling with Money.

Manny has been KOed, Money has not. I'd like to see Money take his first loss with a KO, but I'm not going to bet money on it.

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Pacman should drop every extra curricular tasks/activities he has, and just focus on his training and game planlaid out by coach Roach. He should discuss with his team and agree on a master plan, and execute every details of the preparation from thereon.

 

As a starter, he should improve his condition/stamina as he should relentlessly attack (with calibrated caution) Floyd. He should be the aggressor throughout the fight and overwhelm him with punches the way he's done in the past. It's easier said than done; you only need to revisit Pacquiao’s fights against Juan Manuel Marquez to see that accurate counterpunching is Pacman’s kryptonite. Mayweather is faster and more elusive than Marquez.Floyd will make Pacquiao overreach and miss and make him pay. Mayweather can win a round that way even if he connects less than five punches in three minutes.

 

On a brighter note (for us rooting for Pacman), Money has shown signs of vulnerability. He was tagged by Shane Mosley in 2010, two years later a slower Miguel Cotto managed to connect, and a swarming Marcos Maidana more than had his moments last year. But Mayweather has managed to win most of the rounds in those fights through his uncanny ability to adapt and adjust. Pacman plays chess but engaging Mayweather in a chess match may not be the way to go. But he may be left with no other choice.

 

This fight will be decided by round by round adjustments. Aside from Money’s recent fights, the video of Mayweather’s 2006 fight with southpaw Zab Judah may prove valuable for Team Pacquiao’s preparations. Pacquiao will have to work on cutting off the ring, slipping through Mayweather’s defense and may need more than one knockdown to take this fight. Pacman’s left is still a potent threat. But he should minimize his mistakes, because Mayweather’s reflexes will surely capitalize.

 

Pacquiao will also need to turn back the hands of time a bit. Many feel this fight would have been better five years ago, so Pacquiao should fight like he is five years younger.

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Haay salamat tapos na yung Debate! (Granted I just joined in now) :)

We should stop talking about who was avoiding who, etc. the fight is a done deal.

Now comes the way more exciting part, which the guys already started.

Now we can discuss about each other's take on the fighter's skills.

 

Pacquiao being Pinoy my heart is rooting for him. But I agree with the others who says that Brains and skills, lamang si Mayweather. Just take a look at the initial Odds that are being given. Dehado si Manny.

 

As mentioned, Mayweather is a "smarter" fighter, he will counter punch Manny if he is given the opportunity all day long.

Manny should learn from his last Knockout loss, same thing might happen to him. So he should train and watch out for that.

 

I also again agree to those that said that Manny should forget everything that he is doing that is not boxing related, sobrand daming distractions. I think May is actually quite short for him to prepare. Si Money professional talaga yan, if he is not training his is running his big mouth off, which plays to his advantage as a pro boxer, you either like him or hate him, even if you hate him, you want to watch him and root for the other guy to beat him up, but so far this has not happened yet.

 

So going back, what do you guys think should Manny do to beat the crap out of Money?

What do you think Money should do to beat the crap out of Manny?

You guys think there will be a knockout?

 

To start it off, I think if Manny wants to win, he needs to make Money feel his fists early. But fight smart.

He should not let the crowd "pressure him" to start brawling with Money.

Manny has been KOed, Money has not. I'd like to see Money take his first loss with a KO, but I'm not going to bet money on it.

 

 

Like I said, bull vs matador fight ito. Manny is the Bull. Mayweather will use Manny's agression against him. If he comes in sticking his chin out in thick air like he did kay Marquez, it will be a short night. Manny should really do his homework. Aralin nya pano magadjust sa stance ni Mayweather. Ang hirap tamaan nung g@go. The shoulder roll defense is almost impregnable. Add to that maganda din reflexes ni Mayweather. Si Marquez natatamaan ni Manny pag pumapasok sya, problema, napupuruhan din sya at pag napilitan syang umatras, di na alam gagawin.

 

 

Before, I used to believe that the reason why Money avoided Manny was the former was scared of the latter. My belief was enhanced by the opinion-makers in media. I think the whole nation and fans of Pacquiao from other countries believed that convenient reason. Apparently, that wasn't the case. There is a saying that if you want something done right, do it yourself and after 5 years of waiting, Money did just that when he decided that he had to speak to Manny to fix the bout between themselves before Arum could negotiate for Manny and when Money had the chance, he grabbed it and spoke to Manny in the Heat arena and then in his hotel room for an hour and the result: the richest match in boxing history. That move by Money earned him my respect that's why it's hard for me to hate him now. However, I will be rooting for Manny.

 

Add to that, it is easy to hate Floyd because he constantly puts himself in the shoes of the villain. That is why his fights sell. You either watch his fights because you enjoy watching his boxing wizardly, or you think he is a douchebag and you wanna see him get beaten up. Akala ng marami makakakasama sa kanya financially na di matuloy tuloy laban kay Pacquiao, pero kung tutuusin, lalo nga tumataas PPV nya. Nakakaabot sya 1M PPV buys on the average kahit hindi naman major PPV attraction kalaban nya (i.e. Ortiz, Guerrero, Maidana). Kaya tama yan, lalo nya inaasar ang mga nanonood sa kanya sa 24/7 tsaka sa all access. Personally, minsan kasi tingin ko, OA na nga yung pagiinarte nya na villain. Im like, "Oh come on man! now you are just trying too damn hard to be a douchebag".

 

Manny on the otherhand is easy to love. He has a good PR people behind him. He is projected as this humble guy who carries the weight of his own country. He is entertaining to watch sure. But look what happens pag di naman PPV attraction kalaban nya. Ngayon nga declining na PPV numbers nya din.

 

baka ma dissapoint lang tayo pag puro takbuhan lang mangyari

dito sa laban na ito

 

Dude you think hed be 47-0 kung puro takbo lang ginagawa nya? if there is one thing the judges hate its those na tumatakbo at nagtatakip lang. Kaya nga natalo si Dela Hoya noon kay Trinidad kasi sa later rounds, nagcruise lang sya. Mayweather is a late starter, precision boxers are like that. They try to figure you out muna, then as the rounds progress they begin to dismantle you and in the latter rounds they rally. Isa pa, boxing is a game of tactical finesse as well its not that BS you saw in Rocky IV.

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Yes I am a Filipino and a Pacquiao fan. But I agree that Pactards are really irritating. Imbes maging proud ka maging Pilipino, mahihiya ka pa tuloy. Pacquiao fans are ok. But Pactards are these irritatingly ignorant jerks who stupify boxing discussions. Most of the time they too are racist. I understand that many are only casual boxing fans. Kahit naman ako eh, hangang yung conditioning ng boxing lang inaaral ko. Ever since naman basketball ang paboritong sport ng Pilipinas at di naman boxing. But my goodness, do you have to act so juvenille and be such a bad sport?

 

Ako di talaga umaasa na mananalo dito si Pacquiao. If he does pull the upset, of course I will be happy. But for sure, no matter how Pacquiao loses to these one, makikipagaway nanaman ang maraming pactards dito sa mga latino, african americans, o kahit sa mga caucasians. Ginagawa kasing gyera ang boxing eh.

 

Pag natalo via KO, sasabihin lucky punch nanaman

Pag natalo via decision, sasabihin dinaya, tumakbo lang kasi si mayweather, o kaya racist yung judges lol

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I really have not seen Floyd fight, but if you guys are correct that he is a slow starter, then Manny should try to get him in the first 3 rounds, at least hurt him enough to respect him, maybe a knockdown or two (easier said than done), has Floyd been knocked down?

 

Bull vs. Matador na nga, and Manny should be the Bull in the first few rounds, or else Floyd will just be dancing and counterpunching the rest of the fight.

 

Manny is the underdog, which is usually who we will root for. :)

 

KO, sometimes lucky punch nga, but TKO yung walang luck luck diyan.

 

Decision, unfortunately just means no closure for one or the other, Edmund said many reasons can be used to show decision was biased, unless of course an obvious one sided fight.

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I really have not seen Floyd fight, but if you guys are correct that he is a slow starter, then Manny should try to get him in the first 3 rounds, at least hurt him enough to respect him, maybe a knockdown or two (easier said than done), has Floyd been knocked down?

 

Bull vs. Matador na nga, and Manny should be the Bull in the first few rounds, or else Floyd will just be dancing and counterpunching the rest of the fight.

 

Manny is the underdog, which is usually who we will root for. :)

 

KO, sometimes lucky punch nga, but TKO yung walang luck luck diyan.

 

Decision, unfortunately just means no closure for one or the other, Edmund said many reasons can be used to show decision was biased, unless of course an obvious one sided fight.

 

Manny has to be a smart bull. Hindi yung basta sugod lang ng sugod. Dapat tamaan nya talaga. Si Maruqez, kahit papano pwede nya tamaan kasi harap na harap yung stance. Si Mayweather, patagilid kaya mahirap tamaan. Isasanga pa yung deltoid sa suntok, konting pihit sa bewang, deflected na yung suntok. Yan ang shoulder roll. Kaya nga, kahit harangin mo sa corner yung tao at kahit sunod sunod pang suntok lahat dumadaplis lang halos. At kapag nangigil si Manny o napikon kasi di mataaman, ayus tatamaan sya talaga sa baba tulog nanaman sya.

 

Lets remember, OO hindi KO artist si Floyd, pero sa lahat ng laban nya na napanalo via decision 1 time lang sya nagkaroon ng split decision. 1 beses pa lang sya natatalo sa scorecard. Anong ibig sabihin? Most of the time sa mata ng judges at least, convincing panalo nya. A lot of people wanna say na tumatakbo lang lagi si Mayweather, hit and run ang approach nya. Actually hindi nakakapanalo yan style na yan. Ayaw na ayaw ng mga judges yung panay takbo lang.

 

Matador si Mayweather, he will figure out the bulls strength, wait for it to tire a bit, frustrate, aasarin ng mga pasingit na tira. Pag napikon na at nawala na concentration, at kalkulado na, dun na aatake on the later rounds. To be fair, kahit papano humina na din reflexes ni Mayweather, more and more natatamaan na din sya kahit balagbag yung suntok. Eh ang tanong dito, ganun pa din ba kabilis si Pacquiao?

 

The way I see this fight, hindi athleticism makakapanalo kay Manny dito, kundi maayos na strategy. Ayusin nya talaga problema nya against counterpunchers. Galingan nya depensa nya sa mga in and out movements nya para di masapul. Kumuha talaga ang team pacquiao ng magagaling na sparring partners na slick boxing ang style. Kung pwede nga lang, sana makuha nila si Marquez at sparring partner. Si Mosley nga naging sparring partner ni Golden Boy sa laban kay Mayweather. Pero we know this will unlikely happen

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Will Pacquiao be the 48th? Or will Pacquiao be the one in 47 and 1?

 

At this stage can Manny still change the way he fights to adapt to Floyd's style? I doubt it. He fought Marquez 4 times and in each outing he only got worse and worse. He could never solve Marquez's game neither could he afford one convincing victory. Akala natin sobrang laki ng improvement ni Pacquiao during the string of victories he had against Dela Hoya, Hatton and Cotto. Pero nung hinarap ulit si Marquez for the 3rd time, andun pa din yun dati nyang problema.

 

Roach can only improve Pacquiao as an offensive fighter. He will fight the best way he knows how. At ito ang dapat ipagalala talaga ng mga Pactards. Masyado ng laid out ang Blue print pano talunin si Pacquiao. Tapos minsan panay pa bulakbol sa training. Ngayon sabi maglalaro pa din daw ng basketball... Hay tama yan, ng lalo kang maging kahiyahiya pag natalo ka nanaman Manny.

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It's really up to Manny to change his devil-may-care ways. In the third fight, Manny seemed obsessed with knocking out Marquez and he almost always got caught when he charged forward and wanted to make it a brawl. I thought Marquez won the third fight. His side to side movement was nowhere to be found during the third Marquez fight. Manny should have been focused in beating Marquez and not obsessed with knocking him out. Sya pa tuloy natulog during their last fight although Manny was doing well in the fourth fight.

 

Each fighter develops a style depending on his anatomy, athletic attributes, weaknesses, and sometimes personality.

 

For example

 

Ali was light for a heavyweight. He was taller and had longer reach so he used his Jab a lot and did outside fighting.

Tyson was shorter, heavier, and easily gassed out. So he always tried to get inside and finish the fight quickly

 

My point is, Manny is Manny. He will fight the same way or the best way we know how. The best his team can do is develop him to become the best at his style and hope its enough to match mayweathers slick-defensive-wizardry.

 

Hatton tried to be more defensive which is why he hired Floyd Sr. But when the bell rang he fought the same way, bull-rush the opponent, pummel as hard as you can, not even bothering to protect his chin. It is what it is.

 

The only boxer whom I see has the style of beating Floyd's is RJJ during his prime and of course Sugar Ray Leonard whom I see as the offensive counterpart of Floyd.

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Who is RJJ?

roy jones jr.. mukang di sila mag ka weight ni mayweather sir...come to think of it yung laban ni pacman at ni mayweather ay parang yung match up ni leonard at ni hagler. mayweather being leonard and pacman as hagler..by the way talo si hagler nun..sana hindi ganun ang maging resulta ng laban ni pbf at pacman.
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