Edmund Dantes Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 napulot ko lang sa phiboxing sir.lahat naman tayo umaasa. Hehehe, of course lahat naman tayo gusto matuloy laban na ito. Noon ko pa sinasabi sa mga thread dito na yung dalawang maglalaban ang dapat mismo magusap at hindi mga promoter nila. At nung nangyari nga, mukhang naging positive yung resulta at development. Although I still don't think mananalo si Pacquiao. Skillwise, magiging parang bull vs matador ang laban na ito. His team can move heaven and earth all they want to train him better for the fight, and learn to deal with precision fighters but when that bell rings, he will simply go back fighting the way he is comfortable. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Obviously, you neither follow the negotiation timeline or the sport itself. The reports are always one-sided. Laging yung sinasabi lang ni Arum pinapakinggan. Laging si Mayweather na lang ang may kasalanan bakit di natutuloy laban. Kung tutuusin marami din naman insider na nagsasabing si Bob Arum ang totoong dahilan kung bakit di natutuloy laban na ito. Gusto ni Bob Arum na sya ang may dikta sa financial particulars ng laban na ito. Kung alam mong ikaw ang mas may malaking draw, pipirma ka ba ng basta basta sa kontrata ng taong dati ka ng sinuba sa pera? Or do you wait for the right time and avenue to personally talk to your opponent and offer him a better business deal? The truth is, the camp of Pacquiao made excuses and demands themselves. Obvious naman kung sino ang mas may malaking PPV numbers so it was unreasonable for him to demand a 50:50 split. And if you were really following the timeline, Floyd already challenged Pacquiao for a May 5 bout back in 2012. Pero ano sabi ni Arum? Di pa daw magaling yung tahi sa mata, kulang daw ang oras para magpatayo ng outdoor stadium sa strip. Pero katawa naman na 1 month after si Bradley nilabanan nya at tuloy natalo pa. Si Floyd lumaban na lang kay Miguel Cotto. Lets not make too much of a big deal of how Pacquiao demolished Dela Hoya and Hatton. Give me a break, there were factors to consider there. Primarily, contrasting yung styles nila. Si Pacquiao Toro, si Floyd Matador. Bull Vs Matador ang matchup na ito. And yes! pwedeng dalawa ang ring announcer. If you are really following this sport, nangyari na ito dati sa Lewis Vs Tyson bout sa Memphis. Si Tyson pinakilala ni Jimmy Lennon kasi hawak sya ng showtime, at si Lewis naman si Michael buffer naman nagintroduce. Lewis was singed to HBO while Tyson was singed to showtime Nah, mahirap paniwalaan itong report na ito. Unang una yung source di naman pinangalanan, pangalawa di naman ito kinukumpirma ng kahit na kaninong kampo. Kuryente nanaman ito malamang Haba ng reply ah...pero simple lang naman. You talked about the "business" aspect of the sport. Obvious naman may demands ang bawat camp. That's part of the thing called negotiation. The objective there is to come up with something acceptable to both parties. Mayweather being the bigger star is dictating his terms which is fine. Does that mean Manny or Bob would only have to agree on everything and have no voice in this negotiation? Bottomline is this ... You said 50/50 split is unreasonable and i agree. But was their offer then to Manny reasonable? Floyd wanted to pay Manny usd40m fixed in 2012 to fight him in what is expected to be the biggest boxing event that would generate between usd250-300M. You gotta be joking. Hahaha Sa daming di pinagkasunduan, everyone following the sport knows only one thing will eventually make or break the fight. Show the fighter the $$$$$$. Hindi ba obvious sa 60/40 split ngayon tahimik lang ang Pacquiao camp. Pati si Arum hindi umeepal. Napapayag na nila in camp ni Manny sa venue, gloves na gagamitin, drug test and of course un pinakaimportanteng "rematch clause" just in case na naman. Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Haba ng reply ah...pero simple lang naman. You talked about the "business" aspect of the sport. Obvious naman may demands ang bawat camp. That's part of the thing called negotiation. The objective there is to come up with something acceptable to both parties. Mayweather being the bigger star is dictating his terms which is fine. Does that mean Manny or Bob would only have to agree on everything and have no voice in this negotiation? Bottomline is this ... You said 50/50 split is unreasonable and i agree. But was their offer then to Manny reasonable? Floyd wanted to pay Manny usd40m fixed in 2012 to fight him in what is expected to be the biggest boxing event that would generate between usd250-300M. You gotta be joking. Hahaha Sa daming di pinagkasunduan, everyone following the sport knows only one thing will eventually make or break the fight. Show the fighter the $$$$$$. Hindi ba obvious sa 60/40 split ngayon tahimik lang ang Pacquiao camp. Pati si Arum hindi umeepal. Napapayag na nila in camp ni Manny sa venue, gloves na gagamitin, drug test and of course un pinakaimportanteng "rematch clause" just in case na naman. Lol, ang malinaw lang na sinabi ni Mayweather was that he offered Pacquiao 40 Million dollars GUARANTEE. Ibig sabihin ano man kitain ng laban may 40 million na sya. Kahit si Mike Tyson di nagkaroon ng ganyang guarantee. Kahit si Bob Arum di kaya bigyan si Pacquiao ng ganyang guarantee. Yung hatian sa gate at PPV, syempre up for negotiation yun, but that was an amount he threw to get Pacquiao to come to the negotiating table HIMSELF. Yun naman matagal nyang hinihingi, na sila mismo magusap ng wala mga promoters nila. Kita naman natin, si Floyd na mismo lumapit kay Pacquiao at binisita pa sa hotel nya impromptu para samantalahin pagkakataon. He does want to make the fight happen. A lot of you wanna assume that Floyd does not want this fight, though he has always said that he is all about the money and this is his richest bout. Many assume he is scared of losing to Pacquiao, but can't really explain how this will happen. Palibhasa di naman nanonood ng boxing kung di si Pacquiao lumalaban Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Lol, ang malinaw lang na sinabi ni Mayweather was that he offered Pacquiao 40 Million dollars GUARANTEE. Ibig sabihin ano man kitain ng laban may 40 million na sya. Kahit si Mike Tyson di nagkaroon ng ganyang guarantee. Kahit si Bob Arum di kaya bigyan si Pacquiao ng ganyang guarantee. Yung hatian sa gate at PPV, syempre up for negotiation yun, but that was an amount he threw to get Pacquiao to come to the negotiating table HIMSELF. Yun naman matagal nyang hinihingi, na sila mismo magusap ng wala mga promoters nila. Kita naman natin, si Floyd na mismo lumapit kay Pacquiao at binisita pa sa hotel nya impromptu para samantalahin pagkakataon. He does want to make the fight happen. A lot of you wanna assume that Floyd does not want this fight, though he has always said that he is all about the money and this is his richest bout. Many assume he is scared of losing to Pacquiao, but can't really explain how this will happen. Palibhasa di naman nanonood ng boxing kung di si Pacquiao lumalaban Patawa ka talaga ... alam mong under contract ang isang boxer sa kanyang promoter and you are saying "that is the amount to get Pacquiao to the negotiating table HIMSELF". Para ma etcha pwera ang Top Rank sa negotiation? Simple lang ang tanong ... fair ba para kay MAnny ang offer na 40M usd para labanan si Floyd kaya di niya dapat tinanggihan ito. At kung hindi pala FLAT FEE ang ginarantee ni Floyd dahil willing naman pala siyang hatian si Manny sa ibang source ng revenue, bakit hindi siya nag counter offer agad ng hatian. Sige ayaw niya sa 50/50 bakit hindi 55/45 o tulad ng 60/40 ngayon? Sa totoo lang mas safe nga sa kanya ang purse sharing na lang ang pagusapan kasi pag di kumita e di walang lugi. ESPN reported on January 20, 2012, that Mayweather called Pacquiao on the telephone and spoke directly with him in the Philippines. "He ask about a 50/50 split and I told him no that can't happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me then you have made in your career," Mayweather said.[17] Mayweather offered to pay him a flat fee of $40 million for a proposed fight but would not allow him to share in the revenue. Pacquiao said, "I spoke to Floyd...and he offered me an amount," Pacquiao said. "He didn't talk about the pay-per-views here and that's it. I can't agree with that. I told him I agree with 55 and 45 (split)."[18] Edited February 20, 2015 by rooster69ph Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Patawa ka talaga ... alam mong under contract ang isang boxer sa kanyang promoter and you are saying "that is the amount to get Pacquiao to the negotiating table HIMSELF". Para ma etcha pwera ang Top Rank sa negotiation? Simple lang ang tanong ... fair ba para kay MAnny ang offer na 40M usd para labanan si Floyd kaya di niya dapat tinanggihan ito. At kung hindi pala FLAT FEE ang ginarantee ni Floyd dahil willing naman pala siyang hatian si Manny sa ibang source ng revenue, bakit hindi siya nag counter offer agad ng hatian. Sige ayaw niya sa 50/50 bakit hindi 55/45 o tulad ng 60/40 ngayon? Sa totoo lang mas safe nga sa kanya ang purse sharing na lang ang pagusapan kasi pag di kumita e di walang lugi. Ikaw ang patawa sa totoo lang. Biased ka lang masyado kay Pacquiao. Kaya nga, I bet di ka naman nanonood ng boxing pag di si Pacquiao lumalaban. Yes, that is exactly what Mayweather wants to happen, ma etsa pwera top rank at tanggalan ng power para magdikta ng financial aspects ng kontrata si Arum! He does not wanna do business with Arum kasi niloko sya nito dati sa pera. And why not? Marquez was a managing partner of Golden Boy for latin America. But he wanted that rematch with Pacquiao so much he singed with Top Rank. Obviously, what Mayweather did was a negotiating tactic. Like I said, sino makakaguarantee ng ganyang halaga kay Pacquiao. I bet yung first draft ng kontrata ni Bob Arum back 5 years ago didn't offer that clause. It was an attempt to get Pacquiao himself to the negotiating table at sila dalawa magusap. Mahirap pagkasunduan ang isang kontrata kung sa telepono lang kayo maguusap. And just as I said noon pa kelangan silang dalawa mismo magusap at syang nangyari. So far positive naman yung naging resulta di ba? Si Mayweather na mismo lumapit kay Pacquiao and I bet he did mention something he could not disclose in public or while top rank people are there. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Ikaw ang patawa sa totoo lang. Biased ka lang masyado kay Pacquiao. Kaya nga, I bet di ka naman nanonood ng boxing pag di si Pacquiao lumalaban. Yes, that is exactly what Mayweather wants to happen, ma etsa pwera top rank at tanggalan ng power para magdikta ng financial aspects ng kontrata si Arum! He does not wanna do business with Arum kasi niloko sya nito dati sa pera. And why not? Marquez was a managing partner of Golden Boy for latin America. But he wanted that rematch with Pacquiao so much he singed with Top Rank. Obviously, what Mayweather did was a negotiating tactic. Like I said, sino makakaguarantee ng ganyang halaga kay Pacquiao. I bet yung first draft ng kontrata ni Bob Arum back 5 years ago didn't offer that clause. It was an attempt to get Pacquiao himself to the negotiating table at sila dalawa magusap. Mahirap pagkasunduan ang isang kontrata kung sa telepono lang kayo maguusap. And just as I said noon pa kelangan silang dalawa mismo magusap at syang nangyari. So far positive naman yung naging resulta di ba? Si Mayweather na mismo lumapit kay Pacquiao and I bet he did mention something he could not disclose in public or while top rank people are there. Ay bias nga ako .... kasi sabi ko di fair yun offer kay Manny na FLAT FEE. Very obvious din na hindi ka BIAS kay Pretty BOY ... kaya pala hindi mo masagot yun simpleng tanong kung fair nga ba yun naging offer niya na USD40M na flat rate para labanan siya ni MAnny kahit na sa estima nila $250-300M ang kikitain ng laban nito. At manghuhula ka na rin pala ngayon kaya alam mo na hindi ako nanunuod ng boxing kung hindi si Manny? Eh ang totoo niyan hindi nga lahat ng laban ni Manny napanuod ko o sinusubaybayan ko. Alam mo kung si BOB ARUM ang hahayaang mag promote at magkaroon ng malaking say sa laban walang duda na kaya rin niya ibigay ang inooffer ni Floyd kay Manny. Simple lang naman yan e. A promoter can offer a guaranteed purse depending on the projected revenue of the fight. And obviously this is the biggest fight there is for both fighters revenue-wise. SO plain ang simple, using your kamote...este kokote both fighters would not earn what they would earn if they won't fight each other regardless who the promoter is. And from someone who projects he is knowledgeable in boxing, it is stupid to assume Manny can negotiate a fight disregarding Bob Arum where he is still under contract. AT kung alam pala nila na mahirap makipagnegotiate over the phone na silang dalawa lang, mahirap bang sabihin na lang ni Floyd nun tumawag siya kay Manny noon na kung pwede magkita silang dalawa lang para makapagusap imbes na ang bukangbibig ay ang offer agad na $40M flat take it or leave it? May private plane naman ata si Pretty Boy na pwedeng magdala sa kanya sa Saranggani or di kaya pasundo na lang niya si MAnny. SO tanungin kita ulit ... why did it took Floyd until that "chance" meeting to arrange a meeting with MAnny if he knew that would make or break the fight? Edited February 20, 2015 by rooster69ph Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Ay bias nga ako .... kasi sabi ko di fair yun offer kay Manny na FLAT FEE. Very obvious din na hindi ka BIAS kay Pretty BOY ... kaya pala hindi mo masagot yun simpleng tanong kung fair nga ba yun naging offer niya na USD40M na flat rate para labanan siya ni MAnny kahit na sa estima nila $250-300M ang kikitain ng laban nito. At manghuhula ka na rin pala ngayon kaya alam mo na hindi ako nanunuod ng boxing kung hindi si Manny. Eh ang totoo niyan hindi nga lahat ng laban ni Manny napanuod ko o sinusubaybayan ko. Alam mo kung si BOB ARUM ang hahayaang mag promote at magkarron ng malaking say sa laban walang duda na kaya rin niya ibigay ang inooffer ni Floyd kay Manny. Simple lang naman yan e. A promoter can offer a guaranteed purse depending on the projected revenue of the fight. And obviously this is the biggest fight there is for both fighters. SO plain ang simple, using your kamote...este kokote both fighters would not earn what they would earn if they won't fight each other regardless who the promoter is. And from someone who projects he is knowledgeable in boxing, it is stupid to assume Manny can negotiate a fight disregarding Bob Arum where he is still under contract. AT kung alam pala nila na mahirap makipagnegotiate over the phone na silang dalawa lang, mahirap bang sabihin na lang ni Floyd nun tumawag siya kay Manny noon na kung pwede magkita silang dalawa lang para makapagusap imbes na ang bukangbibig ay ang offer agad na $40M flat. Kung mas kampi ako kay Pretty Boy, yun ay dahil bilib ako sa skill set nya. Magaling talaga. Kaya nga, inaaral ko yung Floyd Mayweather Jump rope routine. Kayo, gusto nyo isipin na ayaw nya itong laban na ito. Bakit? Kasi takot sya na matatalo sya ni Pacquiao? Di nyo nga masagot sagot kung pano sya matatalo eh. Pero alam na natin pano tatalunin si Pacquiao di ba? Kung di mo pala sinusubaybayan lahat laban ni Pacquiao, eh anong alam mo at bat ka siguradong sigurado na si Mayweather lagi may kasalanan? Ni hindi mo nga alam na ang unang palusot ng top rank kung bakit ayaw nila ikasa si Manny kay Floyd nung May 2012 ay dahil sa issue ng outdoor stadium at putok sa kilay. Nun na lang natalo na kay Bradley si Pacquiao lumabas yang 40 Million report na yan. Hindi lang ako sigurado na di mo sinundan tama negotiation timeline, kahit ang mismong sport di mo din sinusundan. Nagkainteres ka na lang dito nung sumikat si Pacquiao. Ni di mo nga alam na pwedeng 2 ang ring announcer, nangyari na ito dati pa. lol. Nandun ka ba mismo nung nagkausap silang dalawa sa telepono? Alam mo ba yung naging exchange nila? Para masabi mo na di nga inanyayahan ng TMT si Pacquiao makipagusap sa kanila? Alam mo sa kahit na anong negosasyon, may starting figures muna kayo, tapos magiisip parehong kampo ng strategy kung pano yan inegotiate. Negotiation tactic ito obviously. Pili ka ng figure na pinakapabor sayo, at antayin mo kabilang panig kung ano bargaining chip nila para makarating kayo in the middle. At kung kaya yan ioffer ni Bob Arum kay Manny, eh di bat di nya ginawa? Para sana natuloy na laban. Kung totoong sumusunod ka sa sport na ito, alam mong pwede gawan ng paraan para palayain ka sa kontrata mo at lumipat sa iba. Ginawa na nito ni Cotto para malabanan ang mga fighters sa Golden Boy. Ginawa na din ito ni Marquez para malabanan si Pacquiao. Ni RJJ dahil ayaw nya makipagbusiness kay Don King. Pero, eto naman, nakita na si Mayweather na mismo lumapit ng magkaroon ng pagkakataon. At so far nga, positive naman naging resulta at mukhang umuusad na finally negosasyon. Pero hindi nyo pa din bibigyan ng benefit of the doubt si Mayweather. Dahil nakakainis sya, masarap isipin na sya itong duwag at kontrabida na matatalo tulad sa mga pelikula ni FPJ. Pag natuloy ang laban na ito at natalo si Pacquiao via decision, sasabihin nyo daya. Pag naKO sasabihin nyo naman chamba parang si Marquez. Kung naniniwala kayong takot si Mayweather, ano dapat nya nga ikatakot sa laban na ito? mas magaling sya at mas malaki pa. Hindi ko naman sinasabing walang kasalanan at di umeksena pride ni Money May dito. Ang sakin lang, hindi ako naniniwalang takot sya kay Manny. Skillwise, kaya nya talunin si Manny Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Marquez was a managing partner of Golden Boy for latin America. But he wanted that rematch with Pacquiao so much he singed with Top Rank. Did he have the same long term contract Manny has with Bob? Well this should tell us what really happened why GBP was out of the picture .... As many know, Golden Boy Promotions had the right to match any competing promoters' offers for a Marquez fight, but GBP simply could not match what Top Rank offered here, though they did try to get creative. When the fight was thought to be Marquez getting $5 million for a 147-pound fight with Pacquiao, they offered $5 million for Marquez to face Saul "Canelo" Alvarez at the same weight. And when the weight for the fight dipped down to 144 pounds, Golden Boy considered involving Victor Ortiz. Ultimately, nothing was enough, and Golden Boy couldn't reasonably match the latest reported offer, which is $5 million for Marquez at a 144-pound catchweight, with a $10 million payday for a fourth fight between the two if Marquez upsets Pacquiao in November.http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/5/17/2176016/pacquiao-vs-marquez-3-official-november-12-mgm-grand Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Kung mas kampi ako kay Pretty Boy, yun ay dahil bilib ako sa skill set nya. Magaling talaga. Kaya nga, inaaral ko yung Floyd Mayweather Jump rope routine. Kayo, gusto nyo isipin na ayaw nya itong laban na ito. Bakit? Kasi takot sya na matatalo sya ni Pacquiao? Di nyo nga masagot sagot kung pano sya matatalo eh. Pero alam na natin pano tatalunin si Pacquiao di ba? Kung di mo pala sinusubaybayan lahat laban ni Pacquiao, eh anong alam mo at bat ka siguradong sigurado na si Mayweather lagi may kasalanan? Ni hindi mo nga alam na ang unang palusot ng top rank kung bakit ayaw nila ikasa si Manny kay Floyd nung May 2012 ay dahil sa issue ng outdoor stadium at putok sa kilay. Nun na lang natalo na kay Bradley si Pacquiao lumabas yang 40 Million report na yan. Hindi lang ako sigurado na di mo sinundan tama negotiation timeline, kahit ang mismong sport di mo din sinusundan. Nagkainteres ka na lang dito nung sumikat si Pacquiao. Ni di mo nga alam na pwedeng 2 ang ring announcer, nangyari na ito dati pa. lol. Nandun ka ba mismo nung nagkausap silang dalawa sa telepono? Alam mo ba yung naging exchange nila? Para masabi mo na di nga inanyayahan ng TMT si Pacquiao makipagusap sa kanila? Alam mo sa kahit na anong negosasyon, may starting figures muna kayo, tapos magiisip parehong kampo ng strategy kung pano yan inegotiate. Negotiation tactic ito obviously. Pili ka ng figure na pinakapabor sayo, at antayin mo kabilang panig kung ano bargaining chip nila para makarating kayo in the middle. At kung kaya yan ioffer ni Bob Arum kay Manny, eh di bat di nya ginawa? Para sana natuloy na laban. Kung totoong sumusunod ka sa sport na ito, alam mong pwede gawan ng paraan para palayain ka sa kontrata mo at lumipat sa iba. Ginawa na nito ni Cotto para malabanan ang mga fighters sa Golden Boy. Ginawa na din ito ni Marquez para malabanan si Pacquiao. Ni RJJ dahil ayaw nya makipagbusiness kay Don King. Pero, eto naman, nakita na si Mayweather na mismo lumapit ng magkaroon ng pagkakataon. At so far nga, positive naman naging resulta at mukhang umuusad na finally negosasyon. Pero hindi nyo pa din bibigyan ng benefit of the doubt si Mayweather. Dahil nakakainis sya, masarap isipin na sya itong duwag at kontrabida na matatalo tulad sa mga pelikula ni FPJ. Pag natuloy ang laban na ito at natalo si Pacquiao via decision, sasabihin nyo daya. Pag naKO sasabihin nyo naman chamba parang si Marquez. Kung naniniwala kayong takot si Mayweather, ano dapat nya nga ikatakot sa laban na ito? mas magaling sya at mas malaki pa. Hindi ko naman sinasabing walang kasalanan at di umeksena pride ni Money May dito. Ang sakin lang, hindi ako naniniwalang takot sya kay Manny. Skillwise, kaya nya talunin si Manny Wow ha ... parang kung humirit ka alam mo ang takbo ng negosasyon. So close ka kay Floyd? Alam mo talaga ano ang nangyari? Sige nga pakikwento na lang kung anong mga napagusapan sa tawag ni Floyd at kung ano ang nangyari sa mga follow-up negotiation nun inayawan ni Manny yun fixed na $40M offer. dami mo na naman sinabi eh .... iisa lang naman ang tanong ko .... FAIR ba ang flat offer na $40M at hindi yun split revenue sharing na siyan ibibigay nila ngayon. Quote Link to comment
bughaw1 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 sa wakas nagkapirmahan na. nag post na si mayweather sa instagram nya. tuloy sa may 2..sa wakas di ko na mapapanuod ang mga kabalbalan ni pacman sa pba hahaha. Quote Link to comment
wazzzap Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/done-deal--floyd-mayweather-will-fight-manny-pacquiao-on-may-2-194611430.html Kakabasa ko lang. Ito na! Quote Link to comment
DDL Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Another one ........... http://sports.yahoo.com/news/done-deal--floyd-mayweather-will-fight-manny-pacquiao-on-may-2-194611430.html Quote Link to comment
crunk Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Let's get it on....!!!!! http://s21.postimg.org/yviw4h6if/IMG_20150221_072212.png Quote Link to comment
RED2018 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 IT's ON: Finally!!! Check out various articles @ www.mannypacquiao.ph Quote Link to comment
RED2018 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Wow ha ... parang kung humirit ka alam mo ang takbo ng negosasyon. So close ka kay Floyd? Alam mo talaga ano ang nangyari? Sige nga pakikwento na lang kung anong mga napagusapan sa tawag ni Floyd at kung ano ang nangyari sa mga follow-up negotiation nun inayawan ni Manny yun fixed na $40M offer. dami mo na naman sinabi eh .... iisa lang naman ang tanong ko .... FAIR ba ang flat offer na $40M at hindi yun split revenue sharing na siyan ibibigay nila ngayon. I agree on this..Pacman was a 'big' player then, and that was not a way to treat such a robust entity... Edited February 21, 2015 by artedpro Quote Link to comment
sw0rdf1sh Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 sa wakas! exciting to! Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 YES. FINALLY MANGYAYARI DIN. Nadaan din sa pera. Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Wow ha ... parang kung humirit ka alam mo ang takbo ng negosasyon. So close ka kay Floyd? Alam mo talaga ano ang nangyari? Sige nga pakikwento na lang kung anong mga napagusapan sa tawag ni Floyd at kung ano ang nangyari sa mga follow-up negotiation nun inayawan ni Manny yun fixed na $40M offer. dami mo na naman sinabi eh .... iisa lang naman ang tanong ko .... FAIR ba ang flat offer na $40M at hindi yun split revenue sharing na siyan ibibigay nila ngayon. Lol Yes tama ako di ba? Ayan nagkausap sila, within weeks contract signed! No wala ako sa mismong usap nila, but I know how negotiations work, you do not immediately throw your best offer. You leave allowances kasi magkakatawaran pa yan. You wait and see what bargaining chip the other will offer. You meet in the middle and you both agree. Pero this is difficult to accomplish kung yung middlemen ang laging naguusap. Kaya nga sabi ko di ba, sila dapat magusap ng harapan, Now to answer your question, anybody who knows negotiations knows that of course this was not Floyd's final offer. But it was a good figure to start with IMO Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Now just what have I been saying in these threads all along? Na silang dalawa mismo dapat magusap ng harapan. SI Manny at si Floyd Mismo. Wala dapat mga middlemen, wala si Bob Arum, wala ang golden boy. Sila maglalaban sa pinakamalaking laban since Tyson vs Lewis, or Hagler vs Leonard! See? Tama ako! Weeks after sila personal na magkausap, pirmado na kontrata, and Finally we have all that we have been asking for. Now I know this will hardly change the opinion of Pactards about Floyd. Inaabangan ko na mga palusot na darating. Kesyo pumayag na si Mayweather nung wala na sa prime si Manny blah blah blah. Pag nanalo si Floyd via decision, sasabihin nadaya si Pacquiao. Pag naKO ulit ng malupit si Pacquiao, sasabihin lucky punch nanaman yun. Sorry to you boys and girls, my heart goes to manny, but my wallet here will go with Floyd Mayweather. Manny is an all time great, and the greatest offensive fighter in our time, but.... Mayweather is just too smart of a tactician to be beaten. Don't even start that he demolished Hatton, and pummeled an unhealthy Dela Hoya. His wins against Cotto, Margarito, and Mosley where impressive BUT..... the third fight with Marquez greatly exposed that he still did not solve his problem against precision fighters. It is what it is. At this stage of his career, can he still improve? Can he still work on it? I highly doubt it. He can learn new tricks in the gym but once he jumps on that ring, he will fight the same way he always does. See, its not athleticism that Pacquiao needs to win this. He needs to penetrate Mayweathers defense and difficult stance. Lets see how Freddie Roach will work this. Ill be the villain in this thread for sure. Pero let me say na its not that I don't want Pacquiao to win. I am simply being realistic. Should he win, I will be happy that I was proven wrong. Pero Manny! Utang na loob! Tigilan na muna iba mong kalokohan. Kung kelangan magresign ka muna sa congresso gawin mo! I hope that he does not lose as bad as he did with Marquez last time Quote Link to comment
alejandro219 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 yeah count on it Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 O kayong mga lagi dyan na nagsasabi na duwag si Mayweather at takot kay Pacquiao at di nya ito lalabanan. Ano naman ngayon masasabi nyo at nagkapirmahan na? Unahan ko na kayo, Na pumayag lang si Mayweather nung out of prime at marami ng wear and tear si Manny? Pero I bet nung nanalo naman sya kay Chris Algieri paniwalang paniwala naman kayo na bumalik na dating killer instinct ni Pacquiao. Quote Link to comment
glut_func Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 my gut really still says floyd will take this fight... had this same premonition before with his last fight against marquez and yup, it did happen - though i never expected the KO part for pacman that time Quote Link to comment
DDL Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Not 100% confirmed though, might be a glitch in the system. And it's the room booking, not the ticket gates. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Now to answer your question, anybody who knows negotiations knows that of course this was not Floyd's final offer. But it was a good figure to start with IMOAnd was there a counter offer when Manny declined his flat $40M offer? As far as i know wala .... Maybe you can prove that there was. Bottomline, we know how much Manny is set to earn on this fight...floyd was really low balling him then. Money talks ... And that was to me the main reason why the fight didn't materialized earlier. But when the figures are acceptable to both parties, everything else falls into place. Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 And was there a counter offer when Manny declined his flat $40M offer? As far as i know wala .... Maybe you can prove that there was. Bottomline, we know how much Manny is set to earn on this fight...floyd was really low balling him then. Money talks ... And that was to me the main reason why the fight didn't materialized earlier. But when the figures are acceptable to both parties, everything else falls into place. Lol, ang tanong ginusto ba talaga ni Manny noon na sya mismo makipagnegosasyon ng terms sa laban? Papano ba sya nakipagusap noon? Ang alam ko mulat sapul matagal ng sinasabi kay manny to be his own boss at sya kumausap mismo kay mayweather. Nung nagkausap sila mismo, a few weeks later terms were agreed up. But you will still not vindicate Floyd probably. Not even after manny loses to him Quote Link to comment
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