catsumhoto Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 the smart gilasteam might pull out of the pba... tune up games won't serve its purpose... now that the games with them are downgraded... how sure are we that the pba teams will just use their second or even third stringer player to avoid any more ugly confrontation or injuries with smart gilas... its a pity d natin mamemeasure yong tunay n developement ng team if the pba teams just make their match with gilas with out any sort of intensity.. it will give the gilas team a wrong sense of achievement if that is to hapen. Quote Link to comment
Wendy Testaburger Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 i still do think these gilas boys would get into the PBA sooner or later... Quote Link to comment
CELTS Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 the smart gilasteam might pull out of the pba... tune up games won't serve its purpose... now that the games with them are downgraded... how sure are we that the pba teams will just use their second or even third stringer player to avoid any more ugly confrontation or injuries with smart gilas... its a pity d natin mamemeasure yong tunay n developement ng team if the pba teams just make their match with gilas with out any sort of intensity.. it will give the gilas team a wrong sense of achievement if that is to hapen. what is the true reason behind the pba now claiming that the games between the gilas team shall no longer part of the pba team's win-loss record? as it is, could be another sample of the pba protecting its own turf. eto na nga ba sinasabi ko from the start, our basketball stakeholders are not in unity for the best interest of the national team. first and foremost kaya nga sila sumali sa pba as guest team is to get the proper exposure in real game scenarios as well as to toughen them up. now exhibition games na lang .. parang scrimmage ba? Quote Link to comment
hopia_mani_papkorn Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 For me ... I think the PBA brand of play is not suited for Smart Gilas .. It just confuses the players .... I think that its better for them to look for some FIBA type competition outside of the country ... Quote Link to comment
CELTS Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 For me ... I think the PBA brand of play is not suited for Smart Gilas .. It just confuses the players .... I think that its better for them to look for some FIBA type competition outside of the country ... this is if the gilas team will adopt to the pba brand of play. however, if gilas will continue to run its pattern and execute the way it should be i don't see any problem with that. some posters in this thread says that this could be similar to the ncc team. the ncc team honed their skills in the pba prior to winning the jones cup and abc. yes, its maybe better to get fiba type competition. but what if there are no tournaments available? i believe it is still better to play real games than scrimmage. Quote Link to comment
catsumhoto Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 whether its pba or fiba rules as long as the players has the talent and thebasic basketball iq they can achieve what they are set to achieve. it won't take you two years to learn the rule of either fiba or pba...look at the international players that played in the NBA... they can easily adopt to whatever rules in whatever league they play.... as long as we have the size? Talent? and skills? Quote Link to comment
Guest megalodon Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 whether its pba or fiba rules as long as the players has the talent and thebasic basketball iq they can achieve what they are set to achieve. it won't take you two years to learn the rule of either fiba or pba...look at the international players that played in the NBA... they can easily adopt to whatever rules in whatever league they play.... as long as we have the size? Talent? and skills?Actually the European players have a period of adjustment. They just don't barge in the NBA and make an impact. In my opinion, it's easier for players to adjust from FIBA rules to NBA rules than from NBA rules to FIBA rules. The NBA rules are more lenient compared to FIBA rules. Quote Link to comment
catsumhoto Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 well some european players were able to make a a quick impact in the NBA... PAU GASOL was rookie of the year.... tony parker was able to get his ring in a couple of years tenure with the spurs.... the skills swing both ways... look at vince carter still toiling around and haven't gotten over his much hype career... if a player is talented enough he could easily adjust to whatever league he is going to play with.... YAO ming has also a successful start with the NBA.... i've follow the JONES CUP and one insightful comment made by one of the broadcaster is that we are slow on our feet... ergo we commit a lot of fouls by grabing the our opponent.... we can blame the rules for our lost.... because all the countries are also playing with such set of rules.... it applies to all team.... a team that is talented enough could easily play with any rules given to them and we don't need one year to play together to know the rules.... Quote Link to comment
catsumhoto Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 a case inpint is that the PBA TEAMS hire american import to beef up their line up come the second conference and those import were able to adjust to our rules as soon as they start playing.... therefore this layers really have talent to adjust.... kelly williams was able to win he rookie of the hear award without much experience with philippine basketball except for a short stint with the PBL.... Quote Link to comment
Guest megalodon Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) ^^Which is why I said that it is easier for players who have been playing under FIBA rules like Gasol to adjust from FIBA rules to NBA rules coz the NBA rules are more lenient. Edited November 3, 2009 by megalodon Quote Link to comment
CELTS Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Actually the European players have a period of adjustment. They just don't barge in the NBA and make an impact. In my opinion, it's easier for players to adjust from FIBA rules to NBA rules than from NBA rules to FIBA rules. The NBA rules are more lenient compared to FIBA rules. I can't seem to understand the point you are driving at. What an IRONY. Come to think of it, is it not that all players played in FIBA rules before turning pro? Obviously at the start of their careers they were once amatures playing under FIBA rules whether that be in High School or College ball the least. Am sure no player in the NBA would have played their first organized ball under NBA rules. In this case, all players should have an easy time adjusting whether they're Europeans, Asians or Americans if it is due to playing in FIBA rules then shifting to NBA rules. The point iI guess is that since it is already given that all players have played in FIBA rules, the adjustment of each individual is a function of their talent/skill vis a vis the rules. What I am saying here is that we've seen players that are good in international plays but suddenly becomes marginal players in the nba. Quote Link to comment
catsumhoto Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 i agree.... once layers are thrown into the nba they have to adjust a lot because of culture and maybe the language yao mings first two years in the NBA have an interpreter beside him during huddle... Quote Link to comment
Guest megalodon Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) I can't seem to understand the point you are driving at. What an IRONY. Come to think of it, is it not that all players played in FIBA rules before turning pro? Obviously at the start of their careers they were once amatures playing under FIBA rules whether that be in High School or College ball the least. Am sure no player in the NBA would have played their first organized ball under NBA rules. In this case, all players should have an easy time adjusting whether they're Europeans, Asians or Americans if it is due to playing in FIBA rules then shifting to NBA rules. The point iI guess is that since it is already given that all players have played in FIBA rules, the adjustment of each individual is a function of their talent/skill vis a vis the rules. What I am saying here is that we've seen players that are good in international plays but suddenly becomes marginal players in the nba.What's the irony with what I said? You merely echoed what I quoted. The irony is your alternick. Laker fan ka pero Celts gamit mo. Edited November 4, 2009 by megalodon Quote Link to comment
CELTS Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 ^^Which is why I said that it is easier for players who have been playing under FIBA rules like Gasol to adjust from FIBA rules to NBA rules coz the NBA rules are more lenient. Lahat naman ng EURO players have played under FIBA rules at one point or the other. as such if yan ang batayan dapat lahat sila nakapag-adjust tulad ni Gasol? Pero bakit ang tulad ni Darko M hindi naging maganda ang adjustment sa NBA? Then again, even American players have played under FIBA rules whiles they're not yet in the NBA. So how come some find it difficult to adjust once they are in the big league? Kaya nga sinabi ko ang main consideration (to be able to adjust) would be the talent/skill of the player (and not merely being able to play under FIBA rules) since all of them have played under FIBA rules one way or the other. So it is clear that I am actually questioning your statement, in case you can't understand and not echoed it. Quote Link to comment
Guest megalodon Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) Lahat naman ng EURO players have played under FIBA rules at one point or the other. as such if yan ang batayan dapat lahat sila nakapag-adjust tulad ni Gasol? Pero bakit ang tulad ni Darko M hindi naging maganda ang adjustment sa NBA?-I was talking European players in general. Just look at the European players in the NBA. If there are 50 of them, about 40 are either part of the starting 5 or productive bench players like Rudy Fernandez. Why don't you take a look at how they play. With the exception of Dirk Nowitzki, almost all the Euro players are excellent support players like Stojakovic. Ang hina ng pick up mo. Ganun ka pa din kabopols? Then again, even American players have played under FIBA rules whiles they're not yet in the NBA. So how come some find it difficult to adjust once they are in the big league? Hindi naman FIBA rules ang NCAA rules. May pagkakaiba. Tignan mo ng mabuti bago ka magsalita. Kaya nga sinabi ko ang main consideration (to be able to adjust) would be the talent/skill of the player (and not merely being able to play under FIBA rules) since all of them have played under FIBA rules one way or the other.- I was merely stating that it is easier for a player who played under FIBA rules to adjust to NBA rules. Nice alternick peithe. So it is clear that I am actually questioning your statement, in case you can't understand and not echoed it. Edited November 4, 2009 by megalodon Quote Link to comment
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