btljc Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 a lot of other FIBA- supposed-to-be national teams are reinforced by the so-called "naturalized" reinforcement. Jordan, Japan, Germany, heck, even Russia (akala ko first time kong makakita ng rusong egoy) are reinforced, if not being lead, by their "import". Andaya ngang tingnan. But that's their way to get into the competition, so why not ? tutal, if im not wrong, CJ is in the process of naturalization na rin. Ok, CJ is such a big help. but nung na foul trouble sya, the team still kept their composure, still executing the plays the way it should be, kitang kita ang disiplina. Im may be exag regarding the 6th placed finish kung sila ang nasa Tianjin but what im really impressed about is the way they play as a team. I dont care kung anung place pa sila as long as nakikita ko ang character ng team. Gusto ko naman kahit papano makakita ng national team natin na disiplinado, di nagkakanyakanya, walang masyadong nagpapa showtime, walang wanna-be iverson, walang feeling "sya ang Michael Jordan ng team na ito so ia isolation play ko na lang". I've been wishing of a team comparable to what im seeing in FIBA Europe, which i can say, the definition of a National Team, regardless of the results. Come 2012 at walang nangyaring maganda sa team na to, i wont be disappointed. We should be happy that at least were doing something different, hindi yung puro superstars na lang ng PBA na kulang sa preparasyon ang laging pinapadala. kung ano ano pang suot sa katawan, headband, arm band, shoulder band, ewan... I agree kahit matalo pa basta maganda execution ng plays. dyosko, bakit mo sasabihing shooter ang isang player kung pag walang bantay minsan hindi pa tumatama sa ring ang tira. sabi ng announcer "guiao is waiting for someone to explode..." ganyan naman parati hihintayin mong may uminit. PEro kung ang team mo based sa plays, walang init init na hihintayin. A shooter is a shooter. Pwera lang kung magaling talaga depensa. Trabaho nila yan eh. Parang gumagawa ng computer. Magpapasweldo ka ba sa computer tech ng P300,000.00 kung minsan ayos ang gawa nya minsan sumasabog ang pc na pinagagawa mo? Therein lies the failure of the PBA Teams. Yung training. Yung development ng players. Look at Dennis Espino. Nagretire na ang katawan nya ganun pa din, yung style ng paglalaro nya hindi nadagdagan. Natuto lang manggulang. In the NBA, pagdating ng off-season, lalong nageensayo ang mga players. Yung walang mid-range jumper tinuturuan magkaroon. Yung malalaki, tinuturuan mag hookshot. Yung mga payat pinagwoworkout. Nakita nyo ba katawan ni Lebron James nung rookie tapos ikumpara nyo katawan nya ngayon parang katawan ni Karl Malone. Sikat na yan ha, naghire pa sya ng personal shooting coach. Quote Link to comment
btljc Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Sa coaching naman, kelan huling nagpadala ang mga PBA Teams ng mga coaches sa ibang bansa para mag-aral ng mga bagong techniques? If these teams really love the sport, they wouldn't mind hiring a foreign consultant. So, ang nangyayari, kung ano yung alam ni Guiao, yun ang naipapasa nya sa mga players na future head coaches. Eh walang natututunang bago eh. Andudun pa rin sila sa stage na maghahanap ng mismatch tapos ieexploit. Pano pag nag adjust ang depensa? If you watch the San Antonio Spurs, meron pa silang play na, yung shooter nasa baseline binabantayan ng depensa tapos may magka-cut, tapos papalit yung nagcut sa shooter akala nung bantay yung nasa likod nya yung shooter pa din yun pala nasa three point line na yung shooter. Quote Link to comment
hopia_mani_papkorn Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Would you believe that this is the same formula that then RP Coach Ron Jacobs tried to emulate in the 80's ... naturalizing American collegiate players as Filipinos, to pass basketball technology to Filipino cagers. But this was not accepted before by the Filipinos ... so he eventually scrapped the idea ... and left 3 ... Dennis Still .. Jeff Moore .. and now NBA shooting coach Chip Engelland ... Coach Rajko Toroman is doing a fine job of preparing the team for future tournaments .. I do hope that they would emulate the old NCC team that won the Reinfored Conference in 85 .. Quote Link to comment
btljc Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 yes hopia... 3 years din lang ang gusto ni ron jacobs. then pagpasok ng mga players sa PBA, eh di maipapasa na ng players yung natutunan nila. Ilan sa mga coaches ang natuto kay Ron Jacobs? Uichico is one. Pumaren is another. And look where they are now. But still, dapat hindi ka hihinto dun kasi madaming nakakaisip ng bago. Quote Link to comment
hopia_mani_papkorn Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 yes hopia... 3 years din lang ang gusto ni ron jacobs. then pagpasok ng mga players sa PBA, eh di maipapasa na ng players yung natutunan nila. Ilan sa mga coaches ang natuto kay Ron Jacobs? Uichico is one. Pumaren is another. And look where they are now. But still, dapat hindi ka hihinto dun kasi madaming nakakaisip ng bago. -- I agree .. Sad to say .. this is a never ending process of learning ... Maraming magaling na coach .. But wala silang vision of the game in the next couple of years .. on how it would evolve .. Just think before .. kaya natin talunin ang mga teams from the Middle east ... Ngayon .. Tayo na ang whipping boys ... Quote Link to comment
bosorero Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Ganda ng sinabi mo brod. right on target!!! :thumbsupsmiley: Thanks din kay btljc for sharing this article by chris tiu^^^ . At least, He was saved from being another "James Yap,- PBA glamour boy syndrome". Sino sino pa ba ang mga possible na idagdag sa smart? Rabeh? pwede ba ung "import" ng Letran? Para magmukhang mixed chinese-arab-american ang national team natin? Wala bang mga Fil-Serbian, Fil-Lithuanina jan? nalala ko yung lineup ni chot reyes dati sa jones cup nung suspended tayo sa FIBA Ali Peek - BrownJoseph Yeo - SingkitDonDon Hontiveros - PinoyJon Arigo -PutiRanidel Deocampo-MangyanRonald Tubid-Mongoloid di ko na matandaan yung iba hehe Quote Link to comment
silentwater Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Smart-Gilas relies heavily on their American reinforcement inside the shaded area and since they don't allowed reinforcement/import sa FIBA-Asia Smart-Gilas would have finish 10th or lower Too early to tell, madaming accomplishments si Coach Ron Jacobs, si Toroman natalo lang ang isang unprepared na pro team. Tama ang sabi noong isang nag-post, parang nanalo na sa Olympics ang Smart-Gilas ni MVP. I hope they do. Huwag kayo masyado magdiwang, dahil hindi pa naman nila natalo ang mga powers sa Asia Powerade lang ang natalo nila dahil hindi ito prepared, tingin n'yo ba ganoon lagi ang ilalaro ng SG against much organzed teams like China, Iran, Sokor, Lebanon, etc who are much taller and heftier as compared to them and who also have big guys that are mobile and can also shoot well from the perimeter and the outside? Without their American reinforcement mahihirapan sila sa mga teams ng aforemetioned countries. :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: A lot of money did it for Japeth there are things we can always expect: 1. expect some people to rejoice when they are in the dumps and suddenly a glimmer of hope appears... so there's nothing wrong na magdiwang at itrato na parang nanalo na tayo sa olympics kahit na powerade pa lang tinalo.... our basketball program is in the dumps so if see that the gilas system is much better than the current system we should rejoice... 2. expect sore losers to be still sore and depend their soreness specially after losing bigtime... and after predicting that their team will win bigtime... hahaha... so who won bigtime? 3. expect some close minded people to depend their team by either coming with excuses or undermining the victory of the other team, or both... in this case... like claiming powerade is unprepared and/or they only won one senseless exhibition game with a player who's playing for money not love for the country... we have to remember though that the beauty of gilas' win is not in the boxscore... they could have lost the game but im sure most of the true fans of the game and those who really care about the national past time will still see the glimmer of hope the way the gilas team played... its the way they played that we loved not the trashing they gave to the powerade team... :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
silentwater Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) Smart-Gilas relies heavily on their American reinforcement inside the shaded area and since they don't allowed reinforcement/import sa FIBA-Asia Smart-Gilas would have finish 10th or lower Too early to tell, madaming accomplishments si Coach Ron Jacobs, si Toroman natalo lang ang isang unprepared na pro team. Tama ang sabi noong isang nag-post, parang nanalo na sa Olympics ang Smart-Gilas ni MVP. I hope they do. Huwag kayo masyado magdiwang, dahil hindi pa naman nila natalo ang mga powers sa Asia Powerade lang ang natalo nila dahil hindi ito prepared, tingin n'yo ba ganoon lagi ang ilalaro ng SG against much organzed teams like China, Iran, Sokor, Lebanon, etc who are much taller and heftier as compared to them and who also have big guys that are mobile and can also shoot well from the perimeter and the outside? Without their American reinforcement mahihirapan sila sa mga teams ng aforemetioned countries. :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: A lot of money did it for Japeth there are things we can always expect: 1. expect some people to rejoice when they are in the dumps and suddenly a glimmer of hope appears... so there's nothing wrong na magdiwang at itrato na parang nanalo na tayo sa olympics kahit na powerade pa lang tinalo.... our basketball program is in the dumps so if we see that the gilas system is much better than the current system we should rejoice... 2. expect sore losers to be still sore and defend their soreness specially after losing bigtime... and after predicting that their team will win bigtime... hahaha... so who won bigtime? 3. expect some close minded people to defend their team by either coming with excuses or undermining the victory of the other team, or both... in this case... like claiming powerade was unprepared and/or they only won one senseless exhibition game with a player who's playing for money not love for the country... we have to remember though that the beauty of gilas' win is not in the boxscore... they could have lost the game but im sure most of the true fans of the game and those who really care about the national past time will still see the glimmer of hope by the way the gilas team played... its the way they played that we loved not the trashing they gave to the powerade team... :thumbsupsmiley: Edited October 8, 2009 by silentwater Quote Link to comment
amante Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Would you believe that this is the same formula that then RP Coach Ron Jacobs tried to emulate in the 80's ... naturalizing American collegiate players as Filipinos, to pass basketball technology to Filipino cagers. But this was not accepted before by the Filipinos ... so he eventually scrapped the idea ... and left 3 ... Dennis Still .. Jeff Moore .. and now NBA shooting coach Chip Engelland ... Coach Rajko Toroman is doing a fine job of preparing the team for future tournaments .. I do hope that they would emulate the old NCC team that won the Reinfored Conference in 85 ..Toroman cant do a Ron Jacobsmainly, FIBA now has explicit rules on naturalized playersisa lang kada team and also, must not have played in any FIBA tournament for another countryso, for Gilas' naturalized palyer, its just gonna be Giles unless somebody decides to replace him with another also, ewan ko kung ano na balita kay Chris Lutz, 6'4" with deadly hands from the 3 point areaunlike Giles, Lutz is a legitimate Filipino-American....Pinay yata nanay nyai know, na-invite sya to play...ano na kaya nangyari meron din addition on Greg Slaughter, 6'11" ata ito, playing for the university of the visayasi think kailangan nila itong si Slaughter, if there's a lack of a better choice for a big mankahit quality minutes lang ilalaro nito...reliebo for Aguilar and Giles may 5 fouls din yan na pwedeng gamitin Quote Link to comment
batman2272 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 great future ahead of these young players.kudos! Quote Link to comment
sakmobratko Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 CAN'T WAIT TO WATCH SMART GILAS VS BARANGAY GINEBRA HAHAHA!!! Quote Link to comment
Guest megalodon Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 @amante What made you say that Coach RT can't do a Ron Jacobs? Quote Link to comment
kanski Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 i think what amante was trying to say is that team gilas cannot do what the nc team did years ago- employ 3 naturalized players in it's roster. Quote Link to comment
Guest megalodon Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 i think what amante was trying to say is that team gilas cannot do what the nc team did years ago- employ 3 naturalized players in it's roster.I was thinking of Toroman being unable to lead them to the FIBA-Asia title which Jacobs did with NCC. But I really hope this Smart team would improve by leaps and bounds come the FIBA-Asia in 2011. Quote Link to comment
skull_leader Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Si Japeth pumirma na BK pero ang balita ay after ng ilang games ay ititrade na siya ng BK sa TNT. Quote Link to comment
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