Mma Vs Boxing

[Palakol]

Yes. Mike Tyson has got big muscles. I doubt he got that from weight training though (I am not sure). I admit, that I've not been to a boxing gym the last 15(?) years, but no, you will not see any freeweights there. Mike, I believe, got those muscles by punching the heavy bag. Check out ALA or even the ABAP training gyms (not Gold's as they train even non boxers).

15 years ago, even martial artists did not lift weights. you might want to check out elorde gym at sucat, parañaque. soon as you enter, you will see numerous exercise equipment to the left.

 

others.

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~ag1540/BoxingGym.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/57529085@N00/3063218270/

 

if tyson got those muscles from punching the heavy bag, why isn't erik morales as thick as he is? does that mean that erik morales does not punch the bag as much a tyson does?

 

becky garcia. mike zambidis. roy doliguez. but a few boxers i have witnessed using weights in their training program.

 

As to running the shuttle to get good footwork, I would say "no". That would not help. First lesson in boxing is how to move forward and backwards without breaking your stance. How can running the shuttle help you with that kind of footwork (one foot always behind the other)?

so you are saying it will NOT help your footwork AT ALL? the constant changing of direction, always being on your toes, the development of the leg muscles for that spring, the lower body muscle endurance that the shuttle develops will not help a boxer at all? hmmm...

 

is this also applicable for the jumping rope? boxing teaches you to keep both feet on the ground for balance. by your logic, the jumping rope will NOT help your footwork, since you are never supposed to jump in boxing. nor are you supposed to put your knees up (something boxers do with the jumping rope).

 

you seem to know a lot about boxing. if i may, i would like to inquire about your boxing experience.

 

Any muscle that has got nothing to do with "punching hard and moving away from punches for 12 rounds" is useless as far as boxing is concerned. You don't want to develop those muscles and carry the extra weight. See Erik Morales as reference. That reed thin fighter can knock people out 2x bigger than he is.

that is because big muscles do not necessarily mean strong muscles. if you want big muscles, you have to work at getting those big muscles. weight training will not make you big. weight training aimed specifically to make you big will make you big. and in boxing, you use every muscle. so basically, these "useless muscles" you speak of may not exist.

 

Let's not kid ourselves, if the NBA does not pay as much as it does, Lebron or Kobe would be doing something else (maybe track or football). To get the best athletes, you need to pay highest price.

i don't think so, man. these guys have probably been playing basketball since they were five. at five, you don't think "i'll train to be good in basketball so i'll get a lot of money. because there is money in basketball." they play because they love the game. doing something you love for money is just a bonus. and no, they won't be doing anything else. because they are trained to be basketball players. the skills they have and learned will not apply to just any sport. athletes are not universal. they train specifically for their sport. it's like throwing michael phelps into a triathlon, because it pays more. you think he'll be able to get to third place? it's also like that earlier topic about throwing a boxer in the octagon. yes, he has one piece of the puzzle. but because he lacks all the other pieces, his chances don't look to good.

 

how exactly do you determine if a "raw athlete" is better than the other?

Edited February 23, 2009 by Palakol

[riceb0i]

This one I can personally attest to. Amen bro. Very Very well said. :thumbsupsmiley:

hehehe nga pala kelan laban mo sa URCC ulit?

 

ooh i think it would be relevant to this thread, but I heard (or read if you're picky about it) that Tim Sylvia is going to fight Ray Mercer in a BOXING match; may 30th at the taj mahal in Atlantic City.

 

Tim's got balls, I hope Ray doesn't feed it to him.

ain't that the same Mercer who Kimbo KOed?

 

Tim's got a chance i believe so he's got a good long jab

[Larry]

ain't that the same Mercer who Kimbo KOed?

 

Guillotined IMO

 

yes this is the same Ray Mercer

 

but that was an MMA bout, this will be a straight up boxing match

 

check him out versus Tommy Morrison

 

Mercer vs. Morirson

[riceb0i]

Guillotined IMO

 

yes this is the same Ray Mercer

 

but that was an MMA bout, this will be a straight up boxing match

 

check him out versus Tommy Morrison

 

Mercer vs. Morirson

sorry bout that i really didn't follow Kimbo

 

nyweiz aint Ray Mercer already retired from boxing?

 

if he's as big as Tim then then Timmy Boy is in trouble

[dragonei]

For those of you who do not know, two of the most popular fight announcers today are infact half brothers.

 

We all know Micheal Buffer with his qoutes.

 

"Somebodies 0 has got to go!"

 

and of course

 

"LLLLLLEEEETSSSSS GET READY TO RUMBBBBLLLLLLLLEEEEE!"

 

Not to mention he has announced the most significant boxing matches of this century.

 

His brother Bruce Buffer on the other hand, is the voice of the octagon. some of his popular quotes.

 

"WE ARE LLLLLIVVVVVEEE!!!

 

and

 

"IIIIIITTTTTSSSSS TIIIIIIME!

 

Question; who does it better? The veteran boxing announcer, or the voice of the octagon? Boxing announcer VS MMA announcer.

[maddromeo]

They said Arlovski might transition into boxing! KJ Noons is a MMA/ Pro boxer, I read that he will concentrate more in boxing!

 

By the way Vince Mcmahon (WWE owner) already owns 20% of the UFC! Obviously WWE is not dying! We ju got older and realized it was fake! Hehehe... :thumbsupsmiley:

 

Will MMA k*ll Pro boxing! Hell No! But one day MMA will reach or be at the same level of Pro Boxing! In terms of PPV sales, MMA/UFC is selling more than Boxing! But in terms of fighters payout boxing has the upper hand! :thumbsdownsmiley:

[riceb0i]

i'd say MMA is gonna k*ll pro wrestling... even kids now don't watch much wrestling like we did when we were their age...

[Palakol]

Question; who does it better? The veteran boxing announcer, or the voice of the octagon? Boxing announcer VS MMA announcer.

suwabe ang boses ni mike. ginamit nga siya sa zohan. si bruce, normal lang.

 

i'd say MMA is gonna k*ll pro wrestling... even kids now don't watch much wrestling like we did when we were their age...

i wouldn't say that. MMA still lacks the intricate and dramatic storylines in pro wrestling. (like Kane being Undertaker's dead brother. who could forget that?)

 

and have you seen our URCC heavyweight champ's batista and undertaker impersonation?

[bengbangerz]

guys pls dont put down on sport just to prove that the other is better.

 

there was a time when a famous boxer named floyd mayweather jr. claimed that he could easily win in a MMA fight. Dana chuckled but challenged the boxer to fight any of his UFC boys. eventually, floyd apologizes and said he just kidding. he might have realized that boxing and mma are two very different sports.

 

and how about DAnA WHite blocking the proposed boxing fight of Anderson Silva and Roy Jones Jr? Dana might have also realized what mayweather thought, these are two diferent sports. A boxer will punish a MMA fighter in a boxing match, and a MMA fighter would cripple a boxer in a MMA fight.

Edited February 25, 2009 by bengbangerz

[skitz]

Pareng Palakol, medyo nalalayo na tayo sa usapan. Gets mo naman ang point ko na specialized ang training ng boxing di ba? And also the point that you don't want to carry around "useless" muscles (lalo na sa lower weight division, hence the difference between Mike Tyson and Erik Morales).

 

AS to the best "raw athletes", eto lang last point ko dun. Kids try different sports. Kobe, Lebron, etc., may now be exclusive to basketball, but I am almost certain that the when they were kids they also tried other sports. Allen Iverson, I know, could have played college football (QB). Danny Ainge was drafted to play in MLB. SO why choose basketball? Because it offers the most lucrative career. If you suddenly put a salary cap of 100K USD annual salary in the NBA, do you think Lebron and Kobe would stick with it? No. They can do OTHER sports. The best athletes will go to the sport that will pay them the most. Except for the Yao Mings (who were born to play basketball and nothing else), I don't see any of the current crop of NBA players staying in the league. Pet theory ko nga yan e, the reason why the US Olympic teams no longer dominate the sprints (since the NBA salary skyrocketted thanks to the Jordan era) . They're all doing something else (football or basketball). Latak na lang natitira sa Olympics.

[riceb0i]

suwabe ang boses ni mike. ginamit nga siya sa zohan. si bruce, normal lang.

 

 

i wouldn't say that. MMA still lacks the intricate and dramatic storylines in pro wrestling. (like Kane being Undertaker's dead brother. who could forget that?)

 

and have you seen our URCC heavyweight champ's batista and undertaker impersonation?

kunsabagay, walang intricate drama in the UFC unlike pro wrestling ahehehe

 

but i'm sure MMA fighters get paid as much as pro wrestlers, the only difference is in pro wrestling they don't get hurt much and if they do it was accidental...

[twentysix]

For those of you who do not know, two of the most popular fight announcers today are infact half brothers.

 

We all know Micheal Buffer with his qoutes.

 

"Somebodies 0 has got to go!"

 

and of course

 

"LLLLLLEEEETSSSSS GET READY TO RUMBBBBLLLLLLLLEEEEE!"

 

Not to mention he has announced the most significant boxing matches of this century.

 

His brother Bruce Buffer on the other hand, is the voice of the octagon. some of his popular quotes.

 

"WE ARE LLLLLIVVVVVEEE!!!

 

and

 

"IIIIIITTTTTSSSSS TIIIIIIME!

 

Question; who does it better? The veteran boxing announcer, or the voice of the octagon? Boxing announcer VS MMA announcer.

 

NOBODY can beat the "Bruce Buffer 180°" turn.

[Palakol]

guys pls dont put down on sport just to prove that the other is better.

 

there was a time when a famous boxer named floyd mayweather jr. claimed that he could easily win in a MMA fight. Dana chuckled but challenged the boxer to fight any of his UFC boys. eventually, floyd apologizes and said he just kidding. he might have realized that boxing and mma are two very different sports.

 

and how about DAnA WHite blocking the proposed boxing fight of Anderson Silva and Roy Jones Jr? Dana might have also realized what mayweather thought, these are two diferent sports. A boxer will punish a MMA fighter in a boxing match, and a MMA fighter would cripple a boxer in a MMA fight.

who said anything about one being better? i like both.

 

Pareng Palakol, medyo nalalayo na tayo sa usapan. Gets mo naman ang point ko na specialized ang training ng boxing di ba? And also the point that you don't want to carry around "useless" muscles (lalo na sa lower weight division, hence the difference between Mike Tyson and Erik Morales).

 

AS to the best "raw athletes", eto lang last point ko dun. Kids try different sports. Kobe, Lebron, etc., may now be exclusive to basketball, but I am almost certain that the when they were kids they also tried other sports. Allen Iverson, I know, could have played college football (QB). Danny Ainge was drafted to play in MLB. SO why choose basketball? Because it offers the most lucrative career. If you suddenly put a salary cap of 100K USD annual salary in the NBA, do you think Lebron and Kobe would stick with it? No. They can do OTHER sports. The best athletes will go to the sport that will pay them the most. Except for the Yao Mings (who were born to play basketball and nothing else), I don't see any of the current crop of NBA players staying in the league. Pet theory ko nga yan e, the reason why the US Olympic teams no longer dominate the sprints (since the NBA salary skyrocketted thanks to the Jordan era) . They're all doing something else (football or basketball). Latak na lang natitira sa Olympics.

so you are saying that baketball players (except for yao) play because of the money, like boxers do? i don't think there's been any study regarding the reasons why athletes play the game. i highly doubt that pacquiao (or any other highly rated boxer for that matter), who has been training exclusively in boxing for more than 11 years is going to suddenly shift to submission fighting even if it payed quadruple what he currently earns. and theoretically, pacquiao should be one of the best "raw athletes" out there. and (the original topic) you still didn't clearly state how one would determine which is the better "raw athlete." give us an example of how you would measure the "raw athleticism" of one athlete to compare with another. in your opinion, who is the better "raw athlete," Georges Saint-Pierre, or Bernard Hopkins? (both ones of the higherst rated in their field.)

 

and there are no "useless muscles," man. i'd like ask you again about your boxing and mma experience, if you don't mind.

Edited February 26, 2009 by Palakol

[skitz]

No MMA experience. Don't know how to grapple. Was taught karate (not seriously though). Just enough that I know how to punch and kick. Was taught boxing by former WBC light welterweight champion of the world, Pedro Adigue (RIP). Never fought as an amateur. Just sparred 4 rounders in the gym. Fought pretty well (as a counterpuncher) until one stiff right broke my nose. And I quit. I'm too vain to get a boxer's nose.

 

Of course there are no "useless" muscles (if read literally). Point is, boxer's do not want to develop muscles that are of no use to them in the boxing ring. Reason why they don't want body builder's frame. Arnold Schwarzenneger would be too slow, too heavy and too easy to hit. Even Erik Morales (easilly outweighed by 100lbs) can knock out Arnie.

 

AS to the best raw athletes, that only means the cream of the crop of young athletes before they specialize in particular sport. And I stand by my pet theory. The most lucrative career would attract the best young raw athletes.

[Palakol]

Of course there are no "useless" muscles (if read literally). Point is, boxer's do not want to develop muscles that are of no use to them in the boxing ring. Reason why they don't want body builder's frame. Arnold Schwarzenneger would be too slow, too heavy and too easy to hit. Even Erik Morales (easilly outweighed by 100lbs) can knock out Arnie.

kind of contradicting ourselves now, aren't we?

 

there are no "useless muscles." and we go back again to bulky guys like mike tyson, ricky hatton, etc...

 

you still didn't clearly state how one would determine which is the better "raw athlete." give us an example of how you would measure the "raw athleticism" of one athlete to compare with another. in your opinion, who is the better "raw athlete," Georges Saint-Pierre, or Bernard Hopkins? (both ones of the higherst rated in their field.)