Barangay Ginebra Kings

[Guest hastati]

If one would want to claim that Purefoods of circa 88-89 was a strong team so be it as that is not the main point of contention. The issue on hand is BIG J being able to create a DYNASTY with the current lineup if he returns. But to say that since the Big J beat Purefoods then with a ragtag squad does not mean he can build a dynasty today. As I have said times have change and even the team that is strongest on paper could not even repeat as b2b all filipino champion. And how confident are you that the current Gin kings can beat the Anejo champion team?-Very confident. The current Ginebra team would beat the 1988 All-Filipino champs 4-1 if the two teams met in a best-of-seven series.

Sabi mo Rag tag team ba ang Anejo? As far as I know, they got 3 players included in the 1990 Asiad that won a silver namely Cuenco, Loyzaga and Gonzalgo. That tells you the quality of player that they had at that time. Hindi man "superstars" these guys plays their hearts out. They play also plays aggressive D which is not at par with what the current team shows.-Of course, Jawo would choose players from his team so that there would be a semblance of chemistry. That 1990 Asiad team started practicing 2 weeks before the Asiad. Make up your mind. Hindi superstars but you're contradicting what you're saying "that tells you the quality of players they had at the time". Based on that statement, you're making it seem as if Cuenco, Loyzaga and Gonzalgo are superstars.

Bottomline, is it really Big J's coaching? Maybe yes maybe not. Am not saying jawo is a bad coach but if he's good he should be consistent in leading the team to another all filipino finale. How come it never happened?-Beats me. What I know is during his time at the helm of Ginebra, he won 4 championships. Miller, Caguioa, Menk, Hatfield and Helterbrand are definitely much better than Gonzalgo, Joey Loyzaga, Rey Cuenco, Ampalayo and Mamaril. Isama mo na si Ducut.

Edited August 17, 2010 by hastati

[Liar]

We're talking about leading a supposedly rag tag team to a championship. How many times did he won all filipino? With the non reinforced rag tag squad?

[Liar]

while the current crop of Ginebra players maybe more talented that the JAWO-led era, nevertheless competition also have improved. as such, while the Ginebra line-up then may not be considered as a strong vis a vis its competition, the same can also be said of the current batch. Thus comparing these 2 generation of teams may not be exactly be comparing apples to apples per se

[ray004]

:rolleyes:

[photographer]

O,.T. (wala pa kasing thread ng Meralco)

 

MANILA, Philippines - Hardcourt legend Robert Jaworski is being consulted on how to promote Meralco’s expected entry into the PBA next season and it appears the Big J’s advice of using a socio-civic approach for advocacy will go a long way in keynoting the power company’s return to big-time basketball.

 

Jaworski discussed plans informally with Meralco executives at a Japanese restaurant in a Makati hotel last week.

 

Nothing is certain as to Jaworski’s role in the soon-to-be-formed Meralco team. It’s not likely he will be the coach or manager. But because Jaworski was a Meralco basketball star in the 1970s, he may be asked to serve as an ambassador of goodwill or consultant.

 

At least three well-known cage figures are rumored to be candidates to coach Meralco and Jaworski isn’t one of them. A current UAAP champion coach, a former UAAP champion coach and a former PBA champion coach are said to be the nominees – whether or not they know it.

 

“It was a friendly meeting and no offer was made whatsoever,” said a source privy to the discussion. “The Meralco executives wanted to hear from the Big J himself about the company’s basketball history, why it was so successful.”

 

Jaworski told the executives that since Meralco is a service company, it must play with an advocacy. The executives reportedly agreed that Meralco should be an “enabler” or a vehicle by which to assist people or the community through sports.

 

Jaworski’s advice was to play for a higher purpose. “Tulong sa masa is what he pushed for,” said the source. “The team must be focused on an advocacy. At the same time, he spoke about the necessity of building a championship-caliber team with disciplined players who will command respect and admiration. He specifically told the executives to stay away from players and coaches with a bad attitude.”

 

Another source said Meralco will employ a “unique” style of sports marketing where an NGO will be its beneficiary. The approach will not be to find a sponsor but to support a beneficiary. The example is football’s F. C. Barcelona which supports UNICEF as its beneficiary and carries the UNICEF logo in uniforms, not a brand of a commercial sponsor paying for jersey space. Under this approach, Meralco will likely donate its share of PBA ticket proceeds to the designated beneficiary.

 

Jaworski, 64, was reportedly offered at least P2 million a month to take an active role with an existing PBA franchise as coach or team manager or whatever capacity of his choice last year.

 

“Money is not everything to the Big J,” said a Jaworski confidant. “He weighed the circumstances and couldn’t see himself with a team playing against Ginebra.”

 

Jaworski, who resigned as chairman of the Philippine Reclamation Authority last March, recently broke back into the media limelight by appearing in TV and print ads with Manny Pacquiao for Ginebra. The ads, which also feature Pacquiao’s mother Dionisia, are a huge hit.

 

“The Big J is keeping in shape,” said the confidant. “He plays tennis every morning at Corinthian Gardens and swims in his pool at home every night. He’s open to participate in a benefit game to raise funds for retired and less fortunate PBA players even as a playing coach. His stamina is good. He can still play at least 15 minutes in a game if he wants to.”

 

Next March, Jaworski intends to finally retire his PBA jersey No. 7. “Strictly speaking, the Big J hasn’t retired from playing,” continued his confidant. “So he plans to make it official. There are offers for the rights to write his autobiography which I think will be a best seller. It would be interesting to trace his roots, how he got started in basketball and what he experienced as a player here and abroad and as a senator. He’s not the Living Legend for nothing.”

 

There is speculation that Jaworski is also in contention for the Philippine Sports Commission chairmanship.

 

“It makes sense for him to be the PSC chairman,” said the confidant. “First, he has the sports background. Second, he knows how government works. Third, he is a former athlete who feels for athletes. And fourth, he will surely get along with the Philippine Olympic Committee president and it’s important that the POC and PSC work together to push the national sports program forward.”

 

Jaworski’s son Dodot is married to POC president Jose Cojuangco’s daughter Mikee.

[Guest hastati]

Will Caguioa be traded? Last time I heard, he wants a trade.

[Liar]

ANO??? san mo naman nasagap yan

 

 

[ray004]

Will Caguioa be traded? Last time I heard, he wants a trade.

 

 

caguioa requested a trade due to dwindling playing time he's been receiving since willie miller came aboard. management is planning to use miller as a trade bait this coming off season though.

 

nothing solid as of the moment. SMC will be fixing their teams coaching staffs first before tinkering with their lineups.

 

 

 

 

 

source: from a very highly respected player agent who's handling both of these players

[Liar]

Sana nga si Miller na lang ang ma trade kung sakali. I rather have Mark stay with the team than see him get traded

[Guest hastati]

caguioa requested a trade due to dwindling playing time he's been receiving since willie miller came aboard. management is planning to use miller as a trade bait this coming off season though.

 

nothing solid as of the moment. SMC will be fixing their teams coaching staffs first before tinkering with their lineups.

 

 

 

 

 

source: from a very highly respected player agent who's handling both of these players

Caguioa should not be traded along with Helterbrand. In my opinion, they are the best backcourt in the PBA.

[photographer]

Tama! With Caguioa and Helter in the team, the rahrah game of Ginebra will still be intact. Mas lalong ganado ang team with the two vis a vis Miller. Sayang itong si Miller, 2 time MVP pero parang walang gana. Siguro nga, di niya gamay ang run and gun plays ng Ginebra. Sa tingin ko, pang set play ang laro ni Miller. Ok pa naman siya, mabait at gusto pa naman ng mga teammates niya. Hanggang ngayon nga, nanghihinayang talaga ako kay Baguio. Run and gun ang style, fit na fit sa Ginerbra sana. Exciting player.

[Liar]

Yan ang problem ng Gin Kings ... they are 2-3 deep in both guard position but come the sf, pf and c position sobrang hina. If they could only trade some of these guards and convert them into reliable BIG MEN that plays forward or center.

[photographer]

CYRUS BAGUIO.....................Co-Finals MVP together with L>A> .............................huhuhuhu!!! Kasalanan ni Jong lahat ito!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nasaan na si Miller natin? Kangkungan!

 

Sorry ha! Nanghihinayang lang ako. Sorry!

[rakizta]

ako din sobrang nanghihinayang kay Baguio....luging-lugi tayo dun!!

 

nabasa ko sa philstar na 4 na players ng BGK ang di matitibag(MC47,JJ,Intal EVill)

while the rest under nego pa daw...

[photographer]

O.T.

 

Kaya pala ang galing galing ni Coach (Jawo).........apat ang kamay! (No. 7 during Meralco days)

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2010 by photographer