Build A Model Body!

[Eclipseguy]

sir misteryoso, i think he sends pm because napag sabihan siya ni Ms Wyld to settle all arguments outside the thread... so he started doing that...

 

also, Dj also shows her arguments with EG in the therad so they are both guilty.

 

Posting the friendster account has no relevance to being gay at all... he was trying to point out that it was unnecessary to argue with a person who is utterly lack luster in terms of fitness. I do agree that it seemed a bit weird that he had to do it... not gay, more like childish.

 

An furthermore, what the hell is this post? we are suppose to be talking about model bodies and how to achieve them... another person attacking the persona of another forum member is not helping... what's that for? i thought that this was all settled...

 

In any case, In reference to the incline flat and decline bench, im still using the weider and schwarzenegger practice which is addressing the upper, mid and lower pecs... pecs is pecs though... i guess the difference in the angles will be the stress on the accessory muscles that is related to the particular angle/position.. ive noticed that in incline, shoulders are more stressed... decline, triceps are more stressed... flat bench, it seems more even out... thats my observation..

 

Thank you for being "moderator for the evening" :thumbsupsmiley:

 

Even I'm getting tired of fighting with people on this thread...especially after it was apparently settled after DJ25 agreed to work to achieve the best shape of his life

[Equus]

BTW, everynody can post here... we are not or rather i am not keeping anyone from posting his or her comments on this thread. But We are being moderated by Ms. Wyld so i really want to keep this thread on track for the benefit of everyone who is intersted in this topic...

 

P.S., I want to post my before pics... how do i do this?

[dj25]

So, is it like a PT administering a quiz or a recitation in a high school class where EG and Olympus are students?!

 

I'm not implying anything here, since this thread is in general form. if you stick with the title of the thread, this is already dead for a long time. these are nice to know things so that other readers of this thread knows the rationale for the exercise that they are doing. i know some of us encountered so many different exercises but with less explanation.

 

 

DJ25 - You have to remember that, whether or not you are receiving payment for your advice, another human being might really respect your advice and take it seriously. If they are hurt mentally or physically because of your advice (when it could have been reasonably avoided) or your advice wastes their time or money, you must accept responsibility for the outcome. It is your duty either as a medical professional (physical therapist) or simply just as an individual who should strive to help his fellow man. To say that you don't care about what happens to them, just because they are not "officially" your clients, is just...in-human and morally wrong. I'll get to these questions later, since I have an article to write about external rotators and training around an injury for athletes.

 

i know that this should be the case, however, like what i've said i'm just a regular gym goer and sometimes i don't see the person who ask me about a certain advice. by the way, i don't stick to one gym only. i work out in a gym that is near at my place or conducive to my time. it's like this, since equus work out in your gym and somebody ask him an advice and he gave it, do you think equus would monitor that person? i guess, equus is the right person to answer this.

 

sir misteryoso, i think he sends pm because napag sabihan siya ni Ms Wyld to settle all arguments outside the thread... so he started doing that... also, Dj also shows her arguments with EG in the therad so they are both guilty. Posting the friendster account has no relevance to being gay at all... he was trying to point out that it was unnecessary to argue with a person who is utterly lack luster in terms of fitness. I do agree that it seemed a bit weird that he had to do it... not gay, more like childish. An furthermore, what the hell is this post? we are suppose to be talking about model bodies and how to achieve them... another person attacking the persona of another forum member is not helping... what's that for? i thought that this was all settled... In any case, In reference to the incline flat and decline bench, im still using the weider and schwarzenegger practice which is addressing the upper, mid and lower pecs... pecs is pecs though... i guess the difference in the angles will be the stress on the accessory muscles that is related to the particular angle/position.. ive noticed that in incline, shoulders are more stressed... decline, triceps are more stressed... flat bench, it seems more even out... thats my observation..

 

i was not offended when EG post my friendster account in this thread. atleast all of you knows who i am. however, i get the message of misteryoso. i hope you know the saying "DO NOT JUDGE THE BOOK BY IT'S COVER." I remember during my college years i have this professor who is UGLY looking and we all thought that his pathetic but when he started to discuss the topic....damn his really GOOD. i hope you get my point. i know that having a great body is good so that others will be more encouraged, especially when your in this field. however, this should not be your standard. all of us can have a beautiful body it will just depend on the program and discipline that we have. i hope you watched epic movies, look at the characters especially the barbarians, they have great bodies and at that time there are no principles and theories with regard to fitness.

 

Thank you for being "moderator for the evening" :thumbsupsmiley: Even I'm getting tired of fighting with people on this thread...especially after it was apparently settled after DJ25 agreed to work to achieve the best shape of his life

 

ALL IS WELL THAT ENDS WELL. i applaude you for your reply with regards to my question. i agree on what you have post.

i'll just add something here, some reason why the angulation of the press started is because of the orientation of the muscle fibers of the pectorals. during incline press, studies says that the upper fibers of the pectorals are the ones stimulated easily since it is attached to the clavicle. during bench press, the middle fibers of the pecs are stimulated and decline press the lower fibers are stimulated. however, recent studies shows that this is not true since you pec muscles act as a group and not by their muscle fibers. again, this is just nice to know things and it's up to you if you have any violent reaction. i want this thread to be alive since this is the long running thread in this forum.

 

here is another question of mine.

 

What contraction produce more strength isometric, eccentric, concentric, or isotonic?

[dj25]

by the way, to all the guys here, you can add me to your friendster account if you like.

[Olympus]

So where were we?

 

let's get back to topic.

[Pepeng Manas]

I think dj25 was asking this question:

 

What contraction produce more strength isometric, eccentric, concentric, or isotonic?

 

Before you answer the question, please define first isometric, eccentric, concentric, and isotonic.

 

I know what eccentric and concentric means in terms of muscle movements, but for the benefit of all, please define all.

 

Thanks guys.

[Olympus]

I need to refresh my knowledge in these terms

 

For hyprtrophy, a combination of concentric, eccentric and static contractions is best However, many people overlook the eccentric and static contractions and put too much emphasis on the concentric contractions

[Eclipseguy]

What contraction produce more strength isometric, eccentric, concentric, or isotonic?

 

It depends on the technique used.

 

Eccentric movement will produce more strength than concentric...therefore in practice you'd increase strength when focusing on the eccentric portion of the rep.

 

The twist in this is when you use isometric contractions. They can produce an equal, if not greater, strength gain than does the eccentric portion.

 

When we do negative reps (eccentric), we teach them to hold the weight that is approximately 110% of their 1RM in an isometric contraction for 1-3 sticking points.

 

"Isotonic" is a cellular biochem term, but it's not used in strength and conditioning...at least as far as I've ever seen.

[Eclipseguy]

It depends on the technique used.

 

Eccentric movement will produce more strength than concentric...therefore in practice you'd increase strength when focusing on the eccentric portion of the rep.

 

The twist in this is when you use isometric contractions. They can produce an equal, if not greater, strength gain than does the eccentric portion.

 

When we do negative reps (eccentric), we teach them to hold the weight that is approximately 110% of their 1RM in an isometric contraction for 1-3 sticking points.

 

"Isotonic" is a cellular biochem term, but it's not used in strength and conditioning...at least as far as I've ever seen.

 

 

Besides the times that we do negative-only reps with isometric holds thrown in I recommend the following to my trainees:

 

Do not drop the deadlifts...always control it to the floor. This also goes for the case of dynamic rows. Explosive contractions (concentrics) do indeed build muscle, but the lowering of the barbell back to the floor hits the back and biceps in a way that nothing else can do.

 

Also with pullups, I recommend an explosive positive (concentric) with a slower negative (eccentric).

 

There are other examples, but these are the ones most common and immediately applicable. When it comes to sets over 7 reps, I don't consider the speed of the rep to be significant as long as the negative is controlled. If it's too fast, it can be plyometric in nature, and those type of reps must be used sparingly or else risk overtraining.

[Equus]

flat bench, max single rep, unassisted, bar touching chest, olympic bar, feet flat on ground, back straight - 250 pounds

standing military press, max single rep, unassisted, olympic bar - 140 pounds

dynamic row, 4 reps max weight, unassisted, olympic bar - 190 pounds

 

squats to follow...

 

what are the other exercises?

[Eclipseguy]

flat bench, max single rep, unassisted, bar touching chest, olympic bar, feet flat on ground, back straight - 250 pounds

standing military press, max single rep, unassisted, olympic bar - 140 pounds

dynamic row, 4 reps max weight, unassisted, olympic bar - 190 pounds

 

squats to follow...

 

what are the other exercises?

 

Deadlift, sumo or conventional stance...it's up to what suits your individual body mechanics.

 

Pullups, where your chin must clear the bar for 5 reps, plus how much weight can you add to your bodyweight, if any.

[Equus]

i can clear 12 of the standard chin ups granted that they are closed grip with the hands facing me... will try the additional weight.. i assume full range of motion from completely extended to chin clearing?

 

As for deadlift, standard deadlifts will do? not stiff leg?

[Eclipseguy]

i can clear 12 of the standard chin ups granted that they are closed grip with the hands facing me... will try the additional weight.. i assume full range of motion from completely extended to chin clearing?

 

As for deadlift, standard deadlifts will do? not stiff leg?

 

The deadlifts are the standard deadlift, i.e. conventional or sumo stance.

 

Indeed the pullups should be your chin clearing for 5 reps with as much additional weight as you can handle.

[Olympus]

keep us posted Equus!!

[BEaST-RiPPed]

Just got from work.

 

Hmmmmmmm share lang.

 

Dumaan ako sa AFPP Seminar last Sat. Too bad isang seminar lang napasukan ko at di ko pa nasimulan.

 

Si DR. Belinda Fidel lang ang naabutan ko about Fitness Guidlines for Children and the Elderly. Update lang talaga sya kasi na discuss na sa min yon before.

 

Also sa likod na ko naupo, ang lalaki muscled guys yung nasa harapan ko until the 3rd row. Tapos sa side ko meron pang sexy na girl. hehhehe

 

Di ko na naabutan yung Movement Analysis Throught the Years by Dave Bercades at yung Training the kids by Hercules Callanta. May duty pa eh. Sayang di ko natapos.

 

 

Isotonic, review notes muna.

 

Tutulog na rin ako!!!!

 

Mga 108 pa ang tatapusin ko. Then magpapalaki na ako ule.

 

Gdnyt.

 

 

Mr. andrean magtatanong lng po if u don't mind,

ano po ang relevance ng mga sinabi ninyo regarding sa pagpapalaki ng katawan?

ksi po parang ginawa ninyong daily journal ng activitites itong thread e..

sana po wag kau ma-offend.

t.y.

PEACE