His Airness Michael Jordan

[edc]

 

at bakit naman napasok si Pete Maravich dito?

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Point ko lng ksi hindi naman lahat ng player kilala ng mga tao. karamihan ksi si jordan lng naabutan. Dami pa Greatest na pde isali kaso din na naabutan ng tao.

 

Ang Greatest Player nasa 80s

 

Usually mga naabutan 80s basketball hindi masyado natuwa sa 90s basketball. iba tlga competition eh.

Edited February 11, 2006 by edc

[edc]

Let's say that EDC is correct in saying that Jordan did not have the BB IQ that Bird or Magic had during his rookie season.. or even during his college formative years.. (*** The quotations below came from the book entitled Jordan by Mitchell Krugel..)

 

EDC said that defenders were "latak" when he won the championship but isn't it not the scoring and FG% that is a true testament.. let's look at Jordan's scoring through the Bird and Magic era..

 

84-85 - 28.2; 85-86 - 22.7; 86-87 - 37.1; 87-88 - 35.0; 88-89 - 32.5; 89-90 - 33.6; 90-91 - 31.5.. Out of this 7 years playing against Bird/Magic and Isaiah.. 5 of these years were all 50%++ FG percentages..

 

This only shows that Jordan had his way against the whole of the NBA at that time.. Even though defense was tight against him.. He learned to find ways to score.. Di ba?  Kung talagang matindi ang defense before dapat siguro hindi siya puros 30++ ang puntos niya..

 

Nuff said? 

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Hindi mo naintindihan point ko.

 

Nung bago pa si jordan bihira mampasa yan. yung assits average nya nung bago sya deceiving ksi mas bwakaw sya dati. kahit na naka 8 assits average sya dati wla sa flow ng game. hindi nya pa alam yung correct pass dati.

 

Mas maganda average nya early years pero d champion. hindi pa nya mafigure out kung pano manalo dati. hindi average sinasabi ko. ang point ko impact sa team nung early years. hindi bano mga teammates nya dati.

 

Nung nagchampion si jordan mas bumaba scoring average pero natuto na sya mampasa at mas sisiw yung competition nung early 90s

 

Nung 80s dalawa or tatlo bumabantay kay jordan hala tira pa rin. Pero nung 90s pinapasa na yung bola.

 

mga kalaban nya ng 90s tlga matatalo nya. hindi na sya dehado nun.

 

Type ko yung sinabi mo na hindi magkapareha ng IQ si jordan kay bird and magic. Malayo talaga eh. Kahit nung humawak ng team si jordan lumabas yung IQ d b. kaya nga na "YOUR FIRED" d b.

 

Bilib nga ako dun sa guts ni Abe Pollin. Isipin nyo "Greatest Player Sa karamihan ng mga Tao" Tapos Sisipain. Marami sigurado nagalit kay Abe Pollin nun pero Tama lang naman eh.

 

Sinabi na din ni Jerry Krause. "Michael(Jordan) is a Great Player But a Lousy Manager"

 

As a player ok si jordan. One of the Greatest. Grabe Athletic Ability. Pero 7 years bago nafigure out. Executive position akala ata ni jordan maganda IQ nya.

 

Hindi pde Gamitin yung athletic ability sa Executive Positon.

 

So Overall One of the Greatest si Jordan. Sana nga lng hindi na bumalik ng wizard para mas maganda pa nangyari. Kso dun lumabas yung utak ni jordan nung hinawakan wizard.

[kanto-terrorist]

maybe we agree on that, the mere mention of the term "greatest" is too broad to name a person. But i think its not right to discredit what others think because ur thinking otherwise. kung para sa iba, i mean sa karamihan si Jordan ang "da Greatest", so it be. choice nila yun. and i think di magandang pakinggan yung porket iba gusto mo at feel mo eh ibig sabihin idi discredit mo yung choice ng iba... unfair... same way i said on my 1st post na; unfair sa achievement ng ibang greatest players ung term na MJ is the greatest, ganun din ka unfair kung di natin i aacknowledge ang nagawa ni Jordan sa NBA, i mean sa basketball, as a whole. James Naismith have invented it but it's Michael who put it into the market...

 

For me, i look at him more than just a basketball player. i see him as a model on how to approach ur work, ur profession,...with passion. Gusto ko ung work attitude nya na masyado niyang sineseryoso ang basketball at practice. He never leave any stone unturned when it comes to improving his craft and being the best as he can be. Isa syan sa mga nag influence on how to approach my job, my profession... So kahit sino pa yang idol mo, kahit anong laro nya, see to it kung ano ba ang matututunan mo sa kanya, di lang ung na eentertain ka nya.

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... just to add to Kanto-T's post...

 

Being greatest does not mean you are perfect.. Jordan is not perfect.. no one is.. So, whenever EDC says that Jordan was not a good GM (when he was with the Wizards).. I just smile coz its the truth but it never diminished the credibility of MJ.. He may have made mistakes as a part of the Wizards' management/organization but these mistakes are nothing compared to what MJ was able to accomplish for Basketball.. He made basketball a global phenomenon.. and as stated with my previous post.. he tried to improve all aspects of his game.. he tried to be as perfect as possible.. he tried not to care about his nagging injuries and give the best possible game that he can..

 

The attitude, the drama, the suspense.. and even the controversies surrounding the man-myth Air Jordan made him the greatest athlete in the eyes of many.. That's reality.. and his detractors must respect that..

[tidyaxx]

maybe we agree on that, the mere mention of the term "greatest" is too broad to name a person.  But i think its not right to discredit what others think because ur thinking otherwise.  kung para sa iba, i mean sa karamihan si Jordan ang "da Greatest", so it be. choice nila yun. and i think di magandang pakinggan yung porket iba gusto mo at feel mo eh ibig sabihin idi discredit mo yung choice ng iba...  unfair...  same way i said on my 1st post na; unfair sa achievement ng ibang greatest players ung term na MJ is the greatest, ganun din ka unfair kung di natin i aacknowledge ang nagawa ni Jordan sa NBA, i mean sa basketball, as a whole.  James Naismith have invented it but it's Michael who put it into the market...

 

For me, i look at him more than just a basketball player.  i see him as a model on how to approach ur work, ur profession,...with passion.  Gusto ko ung work attitude nya na masyado niyang sineseryoso ang basketball at practice.  He never leave any stone unturned when it comes to improving his craft and being the best as he can be.  Isa syan sa mga nag influence on how to approach my job, my profession...  So kahit sino pa yang idol mo, kahit anong laro nya, see to it kung ano ba ang matututunan mo sa kanya, di lang ung na eentertain ka nya.

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there was one story i heard during jordan's early years in the nba. it was told that jordan during team practice would be the first to arrive and the last to leave. it was told that after team practice, jordan would stay behind and take 4000 shots to improve his jump shots! now that's dedication!!!

[edc]

... just to add to Kanto-T's post...

 

Being greatest does not mean you are perfect.. Jordan is not perfect.. no one is.. So, whenever EDC says that Jordan was not a good GM (when he was with the Wizards).. I just smile coz its the truth but it never diminished the credibility of MJ.. He may have made mistakes as a part of the Wizards' management/organization but these mistakes are nothing compared to what MJ was able to accomplish for Basketball.. He made basketball a global phenomenon.. and as stated with my previous post.. he tried to improve all aspects of his game.. he tried to be as perfect as possible.. he tried not to care about his nagging injuries and give the best possible game that he can..

 

The attitude, the drama, the suspense.. and even the controversies surrounding the man-myth Air Jordan made him the greatest athlete in the eyes of many.. That's reality.. and his detractors must respect that.. 

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Hindi mo ba napansin parang nabawasan kahit papano yung tingin kay jordan. Lalo na yung bumalik sya nung paghawak nya ng wizard medyo palpak. check mo din yung draft picks na kinuha nya. Pinopoint-out ko lng IQ ni jordan sa basketball as a whole.

 

Sa tingin nyo bakit nagkandleche-leche wizard nung hawak ni jordan? Kasi ang tingin nya sa sa sarili nya nun sya pa rin ang star player. Hindi nya inihinanda yung mga teammates nya. Nalimutan ko sino nagsabi nito eh. Isa yan sa Reason bkit sya fired ni Abe Pollin.

 

Sabi nga ni Barkley "If ever daw na magkaroon ulit ng 4th Coming Si jordan, that will be Ego. (sa paglalaro yan)

 

Pero sana bumalik ulit at humawak ulit ng team. Para malaman kung marunong talaga humawak ng team. Bigyan pa rin ng "benefit of the doubt"

[edc]

The attitude, the drama, the suspense.. and even the controversies surrounding the man-myth Air Jordan made him the greatest athlete in the eyes of many.. That's reality.. and his detractors must respect that.. 

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ah oo. Greatest Athlete agree ako.

 

Yun nga lng meron na mas magaling na athlete sa kanya now si Vince Carter lalo na sa dunks.

Edited February 14, 2006 by edc

[Jourdan]

jordan is arguably the greatest basketball player ever. and m inclined to agree with that. y?

 

1. Jordan dunked when he can, shoot when he couldn't. over the years, i haven't seen a guy so good with the fade away...the only comparable guard in terms of offensive output w/a respectable FG % is Kobe Bryant. And Jordan had his scoring titles against the fiercest competitors on the BB court while Kobe's having his way in a watered-down competition in the expansive NBA.

 

2. Jordan can defend as well. forgot how many defensive titles he had. but u see, seldom u see a guy so tenacious at both ends of the court. i dare say no one is as good as jordan at his prime when it comes to having a balanced offense-defense.

 

3. Jordan is mentally tough. perhaps the toughest ever. the only other player who can rival his mental toughness is Bill Russel. let's admit it...who among the players, then and now, will risk their career playing with a broken eye socket without a mask, just to hide from his opponents this "weakness"? or play with a dehydrating flu and come up with 38 points on his way to a come-from-behind win? or steal a victory by scoring, stealing a ball, and beating the buzzer in under a minute? He goes on the court and fear is on the eyes of his opponents. He toyed anyone at will...he made fun at Mutombo..humbled Starks (and the Knicks), made Barkley feel really small, and silenced all his critics by repeating the 3-peat relying on a 2nd-rate crew which only made sense bec. Jordan was their teammate. He commanded so much respect on court that even refs are intimidated. It's this rare air that makes him so good.

 

4. He made his team looked so good, made his teammates feel invincible and made them overachieved. I mean let's admit it...some here say he won the championships bec. the competition ain't so great...well, his team ain't even as great as the teams he defeated!!! Wellington, Luc Longley, Randy Brown, Kukoc, Kerr, Pippen, Harper, Rodman....i mean these guys are just average without Jordan. When Jordan left for good, these guys except pippen and kukoc are all bench warmers. and ultimately, pippen has been exposed as a nice swing man but someone who seem incomplete w/o a Jordan to create shots for him. Kukoc didn't fare any better than pippen. Rodman? he's soon out of the NBA after Jordan. u see, the only person who forced rodman to use his skills to the maximum was Jordan. Rodman admitted he's afraid of Jordan. Something he didn't feel towards Isiah Thomas.

 

5. Bec. his competition feel he is the greatest. we can debate all day but all r arguments won't hold water against this. the NBA for some time had to even sell the "next Jordan" angle for some time...he had been the de facto measure of excellence. even now, Kobe, Lebron, et al are still competing with that lingering Jordan "air". the compliment given by the ones who fought jordan on court cannot be simply dismissed. it's just plain naivette to do that.

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ah oo. Greatest Athlete agree ako.

 

Yun nga lng meron na mas magaling na athlete sa kanya now si Vince Carter lalo na sa dunks.

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Its not just in basketball ang pagiging greatest athlete ni MJ (arguably yan ha).. baka lalo kang hindi mag-agree dahil si Jordan ay being compared to other athletes in football, golf, tennis, etc. Ito ang sinasabi ko.. Jordan has elevated himself not just in Basketball but more than that.. Kaya he can't be compared to Air Canada, KB8, LBJ.. because he has done things for basketball ---- ilan beses ko ba dapat iulit sa thread na ito na MJ revolutionized basketball.. basketball became a household name because of him..

 

VC may be the best dunker.. the best athletic phenom ever to wear an NBA uni.. but c'mon an athlete is more than that.. its more than highlights.. when people say that MJ is arguably the best athelte in the world .. they are talking about his contributions in BB and the way he touched peope's lives.. read what Kanto Terrorist's statement above my previous post.. exactomondo yun..

 

He has contributed things for basketball.. as say what Tiger Woods has given golf.. Both are not perfect pare but they both got considered as the best in their specific sport because of determination, drama, guts and the way they played their game..

 

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As I have said, nobody's perfect.. He may have mishandled the Wizards team or made wrong decisions as the drafting of Kwame Brown.. But honestly, Jordan the player.. ang tinitingnan ng karamihan.. When EDC said that na-diminish ang myth ni Jordan during his tenure sa Wizards.. I would say hindi na diminish but people did not agree on his decisions especially when he came back..

 

People don't look at his play as a Wizard.. people still look at how he revolutionized BB while wearing the Bulls uni.. coz this is the most important of all of his achievements.. Barkley's statement only proves one thing.. he did not agree when MJ came back.. But his respect for him never waned.. MJ's popularity, his myth can not just be destroyed by some mistakes.. sorry pare.. coz his contributions have all outweighed his imperfections..

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ah oo. Greatest Athlete agree ako.

 

Yun nga lng meron na mas magaling na athlete sa kanya now si Vince Carter lalo na sa dunks.

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Its not just in basketball ang pagiging greatest athlete ni MJ (arguably yan ha).. baka lalo kang hindi mag-agree dahil si Jordan ay being compared to other athletes in football, golf, tennis, etc. Ito ang sinasabi ko.. Jordan has elevated himself not just in Basketball but more than that.. Kaya he can't be compared to Air Canada, KB8, LBJ.. because he has done things for basketball ---- ilan beses ko ba dapat iulit sa thread na ito na MJ revolutionized basketball.. basketball became a household name because of him..

 

VC may be the best dunker.. the best athletic phenom ever to wear an NBA uni.. but c'mon an athlete is more than that.. its more than highlights.. when people say that MJ is arguably the best athelte in the world .. they are talking about his contributions in BB and the way he touched peope's lives.. read what Kanto Terrorist's statement above my previous post.. exactomondo yun..

 

He has contributed things for basketball.. as say what Tiger Woods has given golf.. Both are not perfect pare but they both got considered as the best in their specific sport because of determination, drama, guts and the way they played their game..

 

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As I have said, nobody's perfect.. He may have mishandled the Wizards team or made wrong decisions as the drafting of Kwame Brown.. But honestly, Jordan the player.. ang tinitingnan ng karamihan.. When EDC said that na-diminish ang myth ni Jordan during his tenure sa Wizards.. I would say hindi na diminish but people did not agree on his decisions especially when he came back..

 

People don't look at his play as a Wizard.. people still look at how he revolutionized BB while wearing the Bulls uni.. coz this is the most important of all of his achievements.. Barkley's statement only proves one thing.. he did not agree when MJ came back.. But his respect for him never waned.. MJ's popularity, his myth can not just be destroyed by some mistakes.. sorry pare.. coz his contributions have all outweighed his imperfections..

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ah oo. Greatest Athlete agree ako.

 

Yun nga lng meron na mas magaling na athlete sa kanya now si Vince Carter lalo na sa dunks.

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Its not just in basketball ang pagiging greatest athlete ni MJ (arguably yan ha).. baka lalo kang hindi mag-agree dahil si Jordan ay being compared to other athletes in football, golf, tennis, etc. Ito ang sinasabi ko.. Jordan has elevated himself not just in Basketball but more than that.. Kaya he can't be compared to Air Canada, KB8, LBJ.. because he has done things for basketball ---- ilan beses ko ba dapat iulit sa thread na ito na MJ revolutionized basketball.. basketball became a household name because of him..

 

VC may be the best dunker.. the best athletic phenom ever to wear an NBA uni.. but c'mon an athlete is more than that.. its more than highlights.. when people say that MJ is arguably the best athelte in the world .. they are talking about his contributions in BB and the way he touched peope's lives.. read what Kanto Terrorist's statement above my previous post.. exactomondo yun..

 

He has contributed things for basketball.. as say what Tiger Woods has given golf.. Both are not perfect pare but they both got considered as the best in their specific sport because of determination, drama, guts and the way they played their game..

 

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As I have said, nobody's perfect.. He may have mishandled the Wizards team or made wrong decisions as the drafting of Kwame Brown.. But honestly, Jordan the player.. ang tinitingnan ng karamihan.. When EDC said that na-diminish ang myth ni Jordan during his tenure sa Wizards.. I would say hindi na diminish but people did not agree on his decisions especially when he came back..

 

People don't look at his play as a Wizard.. people still look at how he revolutionized BB while wearing the Bulls uni.. coz this is the most important of all of his achievements.. Barkley's statement only proves one thing.. he did not agree when MJ came back.. But his respect for him never waned.. MJ's popularity, his myth can not just be destroyed by some mistakes.. sorry pare.. coz his contributions have all outweighed his imperfections..

[Gideon]

wala pa akong natatandaan na player na nanalo ng championship in his rookie year at hindi nangailangan ng tulong ng teammates nya.  Si Magic Johnson alam ko nagchampion nung rookie year nya, pero kasama nya dun si Kareem.

 

Ibig bang sabihin sa more than 50 years of NBA wala pang pwedeng maconsider na greatest player of all time??? lahat na lang sila one of the greatest pero di pwedeng maging greatest of all time?

 

i cannot believe that winning a championship by doing it alone is a criterion!!! look at the kobe bryant thread. those posters are desperately seeking good support from kobe's teammates so kobe can win a championship again.

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Wala rin akong maalala na player na nanalo sa Rookie years nya w/o a a good Supporting cast. Jordan needs help, hindi lang basta magaling kang player, dapat magaling na team mate kailangan.

 

Napapansin kasi lagi natin kung sino ang nag score, but di natin masyadong napapansin yung mga players na grabe ang assists, rebound, steals, etc., kaya na-focus kay Jordan.

 

All of them are Greatest on THERE time, kanya-kanyang Panahon lang yan. Di natin masasabi na Greatest of all time. Dahil kung magiging TAPAT ang consideration sa pagiging Greatest, kailangang magsabay sa iisang time-line ang 50 Greatest players which is impossible. Dun lang kasi malalaman eh, magsabay-sabay silang lahat sa isang 82 game season. Pero marami ng kailangan i-consider na factors dyan, rules, plays, etc.,

 

Kobe is a good scorer, but Kobe cannot do it alone. That is why Laker fans like me are wanting a trade for a good supporting cast.

[kanto-terrorist]

i still consider that MJ's jumper in deciding and ultimate game against the Utah Jazz in their 98 championship is MJ's last and the icing on his more-delicious-than-a-cake career. Nung nagbalik sya ng NBA as a wizard, wala na, i just consider him a a trying hard, glory-hungry has-been player. remember nung last all-star nya, ipagpilitan ba naman si jordan na tumira ng deciding shot against the west all star as if it was scripted, even the opponent let him take it, pero sablay. sayang, mas maganda pa rin sanang career ending shot yung "the shot" nya nung 98. I was in manila city hall then and nung mga crucial period of that game, never i've seen all the people stop and hold their breath and celebrate madly nung tinira na ni MJ yung game/crown winning shot, parang isang magandang pelikula...

[bakedzitiguy]

Im a Larry bird fan but i agree that michael jordan was the best during his time. he won 6 rings. the only player who did better than that was bill russell with his 11 rings. but during that time kaunti lang nba teams. so Jordan could be the greatest of all time. but then again, he didint face chamberlain, russell, havlicek, willis reed, baylor, etc... but then again neither did they face a player like jordan.

[edc]

Its not just in basketball ang pagiging greatest athlete ni MJ (arguably yan ha).. baka lalo kang hindi mag-agree dahil si Jordan ay being compared to other athletes in football, golf, tennis, etc.  Ito ang sinasabi ko.. Jordan has elevated himself not just in Basketball but more than that.. Kaya he can't be compared to Air Canada, KB8, LBJ.. because he has done things for basketball ---- ilan beses ko ba dapat iulit sa thread na ito na MJ revolutionized basketball.. basketball became a household name because of him..

 

VC may be the best dunker.. the best athletic phenom ever to wear an NBA uni.. but c'mon an athlete is more than that.. its more than highlights.. when people say that MJ is arguably the best athelte in the world .. they are talking about his contributions in BB and the way he touched peope's lives.. read what Kanto Terrorist's statement above my previous post.. exactomondo yun..

 

He has contributed things for basketball.. as say what Tiger Woods has given golf.. Both are not perfect pare but they both got considered as the best in their specific sport because of determination, drama, guts and the way they played their game..

 

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Natulungan na rin ng media. Marketing pa ng nike. Kahit hindi pa nagchamchampion si jordan nun marami na sya fans. ksi marami tlga tao gusto "lumilipad" Tpos nung nagchampion na sya marami na tlga nagkagusto kay jordan.

 

Sbi nga ni Larry Bird. Basketball is a black mans game. Blacks are the greatest athlete.

 

Respect ko naman na Greatest player sa inyo si jordan.