His Airness Michael Jordan

[edc]

@Revi

 

Kasi yung pamantayan nyo kay Lebron James iba eh. Idol nyo kasi si Jordan tpos si Lebron idol din nya si Jordan. Parang Expectation nyo kay Lebron eh maging Jordan yung game nya na clutch(5, 4 ,3, 2, Swiiiiiiiiish). Ilang years pa lng ba si Lebron na sobrang taas expectation nyo? Hindi nyo ba nakikita yung other side ni Lebron na "Rare" sa NBA ngayon?

 

Ibang level si Lebron. Yung game nya ito day lng grabe. 36points, 8assists, 7rebounds, 3blocks, 2steals, 0turnover.

 

Highlight ko yung 8assists nya and 7rebounds. Ito kaya nya gawin every game. Normal sa kanya yan.

 

Kaya ko nasabi another level si Lebron ksi hindi sya mukhang imitation ni jordan. Ang imitation ni jordan si kobe. Si kobe hindi nya malalagpasan si jordan ksi imitation sya.

 

Yung tungkol naman dun sa mga quote na nilagay ko kay Bird eh hinalo ko na yung mga sinabi ng mga sikat na writer. Yung sa player masyado madami so pumili na lng ako ng pinakamaganda quote. Ang ganda ng sinabi ni Wilt.

 

YUng kay scoop naman eh isa ding fan at "Napanuod nya ng live yung panahon ni Bird and Jordan kaya sinabi nya yan. Kasi karamihan dito sa pinas napanuod si bird sa tv, replay pa, madalang pa.

 

Kahit nga yung isang writer sabi Bird can take over the game in the first few minuntes. Eh ang karamihan ng great player including jordan eh sa 4th quarter pa lng gagana.

 

Si jordan magaling talaga. Eye Candy pa sa karamihan ng tao kasi physical ability nya grabe. Pero Mas rare kasi yung Basketball IQ eh.

 

Yun ang difference ni Bird kay jordan. Si Jordan mas sikat, mas marami may gusto, mas marami nagsasabi na greatest. Pero si Bird Rare yung talent nya.

 

Yung mga statement nila Wilt, Vecsey, Scoop eh halos magkakapareha eh.

 

Kay Wilt na lng kahit ano taon incredible daw si Bird. Thats coming from Wilt ha. Isa yan sa sobrang mayabang na player.

 

Si Vecsey isang sikat na Columnist pero ang ganda nung statement nya.

 

Kay Scoop yung pinakamasarap eh. Sa negro nanggaling eh. Kaya marami naiinis kay Scoop eh.

Edited March 25, 2006 by edc

[edc]

@tidyaxx

 

Oo may Rivalry nung panahon nila Bird and Magic. Pero hindi lang silang dalawa teams nun na potent. Marami ring teams na grabe nun. At yung defense nun grabe. Mas Madudumi maglaro player nun. Hindi gumagana yung touch foul nung 80s. Nung 80s pag hinawakan ka hindi foul agad.

 

Pero ito na lng Bakit nung 90s(96-98) eh lalo na nung return ni jordan from baseball. Bakit konti hawak lang eh foul agad? Kasi nung 80s kahit nagchampion na sila Bird and Magic eh grabe nakukuha foul nila lagi.(Kaya nga mas marami away nun ksi yung mga foul na natatanggap eh grabe)

 

Hindi kaya nung 90s eh Naging negosyo na talaga NBA? Na gusto ni David Stern Maganda yung Kwento na makukuha ng tao? Kasi gusto ng karamihan ng mga tao eh si Jordan?

 

Yung last shot na lng ni jordan eh offensive foul yun eh. Kung si Bryon Russell ang gumawa kay jordan nun sigurado ang dami nagalit. Pero pag si jordan ok lng. (Kulang na lng maging commisioner ng NBA eh si Vince Mcmahon ) Nagkaroond dati nung Article dun sa last shot ni jordan. Kung hindi daw si jordan gumawa nun eh offensive foul daw itatawag nun.

 

Example ko ng Basketball nung 90s yung laban ng Miami and New York.

 

Walang Superstar call dun. Gulpihan talaga. Kaya nga exciting yun ksi parang naalala ko yung 80s na competition.

 

Unfortunately pag Bulls ang naglalaro tpos si jordan pa eh parang nagiging WWF(Vince Mcmahon) yung nangyayari.

 

Ang sinasabi ko yung 96,97,98 season ni jordan. Yung first three championship nya ok yun competition yun. Pero yung last three eh parang na-baby.

Edited March 25, 2006 by edc

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@tidyaxx

 

Oo may Rivalry nung panahon nila Bird and Magic. Pero hindi lang silang dalawa teams nun na potent. Marami ring teams na grabe nun. At yung defense nun grabe. Mas Madudumi maglaro player nun. Hindi gumagana yung touch foul nung 80s. Nung 80s pag hinawakan ka hindi foul agad.

 

Pero ito na lng Bakit nung 90s(96-98) eh lalo na nung return ni jordan from baseball. Bakit konti hawak lang eh foul agad? Kasi nung 80s kahit nagchampion na sila Bird and Magic eh grabe nakukuha foul nila lagi.(Kaya nga mas marami away nun ksi yung mga foul na natatanggap eh grabe)

 

Hindi kaya nung 90s eh Naging negosyo na talaga NBA? Na gusto ni David Stern Maganda yung Kwento na makukuha ng tao? Kasi gusto ng karamihan ng mga tao eh si Jordan?

 

Yung last shot na lng ni jordan eh offensive foul yun eh. Kung si Bryon Russell ang gumawa kay jordan nun sigurado ang dami nagalit. Pero pag si jordan ok lng. (Kulang na lng maging commisioner ng NBA eh si Vince Mcmahon ) Nagkaroond dati nung Article dun sa last shot ni jordan. Kung hindi daw si jordan gumawa nun eh offensive foul daw itatawag nun.

 

Example ko ng Basketball nung 90s yung laban ng Miami and New York.

 

Walang Superstar call dun. Gulpihan talaga. Kaya nga exciting yun ksi parang naalala ko yung 80s na competition.

 

Unfortunately pag Bulls ang naglalaro tpos si jordan pa eh parang nagiging WWF(Vince Mcmahon) yung nangyayari.

 

Ang sinasabi ko yung 96,97,98 season ni jordan. Yung first three championship nya ok yun competition yun. Pero yung last three eh parang na-baby.

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eto tanong ko kahit noong 80's naglalaro si jordan he was averaging almost in the 30's e di ba mas marumi ang laro noon. as for last jordans last shot offensive foul na kung offensive foul kaso kasama sa laro ung gulang. hindi lang naman si jordan ang magulang pati si stockton at malone magugulang din. ganyan talaga ang basketball. kung makakalusot ka why not. this also happens in your local inter barangay league. ang problema di naman pumito ung referee. e nung kalaban nila jordan ang pistons tinitira din sya. pinapabagsak pa. ang masama pa nito minsan walang foul. pero ok lang. kasama sa laro un. tsaka breaks ng games yon.

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hindi naman kinukumpara ung players from diferrent eras ang sinasabi ni edc dito e ung style of play nung 80's at saka ung style of play noong 90's w/c i really dont buy at all. opinion nya un eh. as for me magaling talaga si jordan period.

[Gideon]

kaya nga mahirap mag-compare ng players from different eras kasi iba ang style ng play...

 

sige, sino mas magaling: si Mikan o si Shaq? Hirap diba?

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Yup, di naman natin nakita for at least 1 season ang laro ni Mikan, kasi nga di naabutan at pangit pa ang Media noon. Di tulad ni Shaq na napapanood natin ang every movement because of tech media.

 

So it's really UNFAIR to COMPARE because of the timeline.

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baka maging ot na lets stop mentioning shaq and mikan

[13cent]

basta for me...MJ pa rin...kahit ano pa ang sabihin nila about him...kobe will never be MJ...he can never reach the level of MJ....na-reach na ni kobe ang peak niya...hahaha :mtc:

[revi]

I agree..People should really stop comparing players.. Every player has his own name and will have his own impact on the game..

 

But media and even fans would always compare because that's how it is.. masarap kasing isipin na kung sino ang "next" Jordan, Bird, Wilt, Shaq.. Look at LBJ: After his third season in the NBA, LBJ's career in high school is being compared to OJ Mayo's career.. Sabi sa mga headlines about OJ Mayo.. "the next LBJ.." So we have to live with that.. coz media will always write questions like these coz dito ma-e-enhance ang interes ng mga fans..

 

LBJ may be a special or kakaibang player nowadays.. People & media compare LBJ nowadays to a Magic Johnson who can score more.. Skills-wise LBJ has been improving ever since he entered the league.. Much like MJ who did his own improvements during his time.. But people and media are now questioning LBJ's will to win..

 

Because skills/talent per se do not make a great player.. its the will to succeed.. and therefore the will to win.. Jordan had this ever since.. the shot in UNC vs. Georgetown.. the countless times he bailed the Bulls out of a sure loss..

 

Now, I will stop comparing LBJ to Jordan.. coz they are different players..

 

But ever since the start of my posts I never did compare.. no one ever did.. it was edc who has been arguing that maybe Bird is by far the greatest or if not greater than MJ.. which I do not agree on.. dito nag-revolve ang topic na ito sa thread na ito.. --- which actually started in the NBA thread..

 

Okay.. MJ is not just the best player in the 90's.. he is to a lot of people the greatest of all time.. Why? because of his contributions to basketball.. Need I say more? He is not the most talented or even the most gifted athlete athletically.. But he constantly imporved his craft.. He worked hard to achieve improvements on his outside shot, his jump shots, his defense, his IQ.. But what Jordan had that Bird or Magic did not have is that extra kick.. --- this was stated by Magic --- that extra adrenaline when the game is on the line.. and the way he did those extra kicks.. that made him exciting to watch in the eyes of many..

 

I've always stated that he was not the best player to ever step in the hardwood.. Kaya nga #1 pick si Hakeem at #3 lang siya.. People had their doubts when he got injured in his second season.. People always ridiculed his staying power after the injury.. People questioned his outside shots.. People questioned his defensive prowess.. and people said he was a one-dimensional player.. In the long run, he proved them wrong by improving where the media think he lacked..

 

Sige edc Bird (in your eyes) will be the most talented.. Ito ang contention mo di ba? But is he the greatest? Di ba namamasa si MJ? At mahina ang 90's, kamo? E ano ngayon.. (Kahit hindi ako nag-aagree)..

 

I dunno.. For me MJ is.. Why? Because he had the talent, the charisma, the hype, the looks, the excitement, the finesse, the power, that extra kick, the will to win, the heart of a lion.. The drama was there.. He may not be the most talented in your eyes.. but because of being almost complete.. he became an icon and became the greatest baller ever..

Edited March 25, 2006 by revi

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you have to consider that the bulls team of the 90's did not have a dominant inside player. tapos wala ring silang natural point guard. kung titingnan mo parang malabo magchampion ang team na ganito. pero kahit papaano nanalo sila. siempre malikang factor ung presence ni jordan at ni pippen. isa pa pinapatakbo nilang play e ung triangle offense.

[revo20012000]

tsaka jordan never played with a dominant center kaya talagang kakabilib how they won those championships :cool:

[Guest airmax]

sinabi mo pare. wala ring natural point guard sa team na ito.

[mariano]

kaya please be objective naman sa mga opinion. . wag naman sabihin na mababaw ang competition nung 90's kasi alam nating lahat na di totoo yan.

 

at isa pa, ano ba ang rare na player? eh di yung me opensa na may depensa pa. o rare yun di ba? hindi yung puro opensa lang.

[Guest airmax]

kaya please be objective naman sa mga opinion. . wag naman sabihin na mababaw ang competition nung 90's kasi alam nating lahat na di totoo yan.

 

at isa pa, ano ba ang rare na player? eh di yung me opensa na may depensa pa. o rare yun di ba? hindi yung puro opensa lang.

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dre pasensya ka na wala pa kasing sky cable noong 80's hehehe.

[TidusJanus]

People like to compare their favorite players with other players. Who's the best, who's the greatest,blah blah blah...it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...you get my point. Truth is, whether you like it or not, there will never be a clear fact about anything unless we play gods and pit our favorite players against others' favorite players at their prime.And that will never happen.that's why we are left with our imaginations.We imagine Jordan going up against Kobe Bryant one-on-one,Larry Bird against Jordan one-on-one.But since these things will always be just your imaginations,most of us will always consult the record books for the stats of past greats for comparison.

 

 

Sadly,statistics ain't the most reliable source that we could base the level greatness of a player. Hence we find other things to support our claim that this particular player is indeed the greatest of all time. Globalization,popularity,his impact on particular things- these are only some of the things that we look at to base the level of greatness...but,is it always accurate? It's not but it is a big help to reach a major consensus. Majority of the People in the world will agree that MJ had and still has the biggest impact in the world of basketball.Majority of the people in the world will still agree that he is indeed the greatest basketball player ever. But is this a fact? How can we measure one's greatness? Are there norms that we could base the level of greatness of a player?Again,there is none.That's why people create their own basis and standards on how to measure greatness.So in the advent of the abscence a particular norm for measuring one's greatness, there is no right answer(neither is there a wrong answer) on the question of who is the greatest basketball player ever. If I say that Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever, I am neither right nor wrong.I'm not trying to state a fact,rather it's an opinion. my opinion.

 

 

in the end,all the things we say about how great a player is are just opinions. In a perfect world,there will be no threads like this where there are arguments on who's the greatest NBA player because if I say that Kobe is the greatest,that's my opinion,not a fact. In a perfect world, the other posters will accept my opinion and will say " oh,yeah,that's your opinion. Here's mine...I think that_____ is the greatest..."

 

Madami dito kasi sinasabi "SI JORDAN TALAGA ANG GREATEST" but we don't even have a standard measurement for greatness. All I'm trying to say is that don't state it as if it's a fact.That's your opinion. Unless we come up with a mathematical equation/solution for measuring one's greatness and it turns out the MJ's the greatest then I will definitely have to coincide witht that! but as of now, everything stated here are just "substitute" basis for MJ's greatness. Pero hindi ko naman dinidiscredit na mali yung mga basis. Tama naman eh kaso lang, hindi naman tayo lahat pare-pareho ng basis.

 

Jordan is indeed a great player. As for who the greatest is? wala akong sagot pero majority will definitely say si Jordan.

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People like to compare their favorite players with other players. Who's the best, who's the greatest,blah blah blah...it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...you get my point. Truth is, whether you like it or not, there will never be a clear fact about anything unless we play gods and pit our favorite players against others' favorite players at their prime.And that will never happen.that's why we are left with our imaginations.We imagine Jordan going up against Kobe Bryant one-on-one,Larry Bird against Jordan one-on-one.But since these things will always be just your imaginations,most of us will always consult the record books for the stats of past greats for comparison.

Sadly,statistics ain't the most reliable source that we could base the level greatness of a player. Hence we find other things to support our claim that this particular player is indeed the greatest of all time. Globalization,popularity,his impact on particular things- these are only some of the things that we look at to base the level of greatness...but,is it always accurate? It's not but it is a big help to reach a major consensus. Majority of the People in the world will agree that MJ had and still has the biggest impact in the world of basketball.Majority of the people in the world will still agree that he is indeed the greatest basketball player ever. But is this a fact? How can we measure one's greatness? Are there norms that we could base the level of greatness of a player?Again,there is none.That's why people create their own basis and standards on how to measure greatness.So in the advent of the abscence a particular norm for measuring one's greatness, there is no right answer(neither is there a wrong answer) on the question of who is the greatest basketball player ever. If I say that Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever, I am neither right nor wrong.I'm not trying to state a fact,rather it's an opinion. my opinion.

in the end,all the things we say about how great a player is are just opinions. In a perfect world,there will be no threads like this where there are arguments on who's the greatest NBA player because if I say that Kobe is the greatest,that's my opinion,not a fact. In a perfect world, the other posters will accept my opinion and will say " oh,yeah,that's your opinion. Here's mine...I think that_____ is the greatest..."

 

Madami dito kasi sinasabi "SI JORDAN TALAGA ANG GREATEST" but we don't even have a standard measurement for greatness. All I'm trying to say is that don't state it as if it's a fact.That's your opinion. Unless we come up with a mathematical equation/solution for measuring one's greatness and it turns out the MJ's the greatest then I will definitely have to coincide witht that! but as of now, everything stated here are just "substitute" basis for MJ's greatness. Pero hindi ko naman dinidiscredit na mali yung mga basis. Tama naman eh kaso lang, hindi naman tayo lahat pare-pareho ng basis.

 

Jordan is indeed a great player. As for who the greatest is? wala akong sagot pero majority will definitely say si Jordan. 

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