His Airness Michael Jordan

[lover_bong]

:mtc: you have a point sir....pero jordan is still JORDAN..Still he is the great one.

Here is a quote from Kobe Bryant. "He's one of the greatest players of all time," Bryant said."It's not fair for us younger players to be compared to him. We can't measure up to him. He's Michael Jordan, and I'm Kobe Bryant."

everytime a flashy player comes in the league, he will be compared and measured against jordan. starting from penny hardaway, grant hill, stackhouse, kobe, tmac, carter, and now dwade and lebron; the media is really becoming unfair for those comparison bullzhits.  why cant they accept the player as they are? pag  hindi naka measure sa success ni jordan, he will be branded as failure? kaya yan minsan ang gusto ko Kobe, since the start he was being compared and insulted whenever he fails to measure up against MJ, pero eto, lumalaban at gumagawa ng sarili nyang pangalan, one thing vince carter, tmac, penny hardaway and grant hill failed to do.

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[edc]

Kay Bird ba or kay Magic nagkaroon ng Bird Rules or Magic Rules.. Parang wala.. Opponents never just clamped down on one man during Bird's and Magic's tenure in LA at Boston.. but when they are in Chicago.. the whole team wanted to clamp their defense on one man --- si Jordan..

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Nung 80s yan tinutukoy mo na kalaban nila detroit. Kaya ganun depensa ni Chuck Daly ksi Alam nya na hindi papasa ng bola si Jordan sa teammates nya. Nung 80s yan.

 

Dun kay Bird and Magic eh hindi mo pede idouble team eh kasi kahit rookie palang sila mahilig talaga sila pumasa.

 

Kasi ang pinagkaiba ni Bird and Magic kay jordan eh yung dalawa kahit bobo mga kakampi eh ugali tlaga nila pumasa ng bola. Si jordan ksi kailangan magaling yung kakampi para pasahan nya ng bola.

 

Lets put it this way: Jordan is not giver pag dating sa Basketball. Kahit nung college pa sya na kakampi nya sila Perkins and Worthy. Si Magic and Bird kahit nung college pa lang TEAM CONCEPT ang laro.

 

Yknow edc, your fave player is your fave player.. Kahit ilang beses mo ipaglaban na si Bird ang the best for you.. Bird did not accomplish what Jordan did.. globalization.. Because of TV, radio and marketing?  Dahil sa media you say?  Bird also had the coverage.. Magic also had the coverage.. especially during the late 80's.. But Jordan was picked amongst the two and Barkley, etc. to be the mareting "arm" of a lot of companies, which includes the NBA.. Bakit kaya?  Hindi kaya dahil hearstopping ang moves niya, may charisma siya, may flair for the dramatic, may talent, may puso, may charm?.. complete package?  Kaya ayun.. biglang Ka-boom.. GLOBALIZATION..

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Pag dating talaga sa globalization hands down si Jordan tlga. Pero ang sinasabi ksi dito Greatest Player. Kaya nga gusto ko iquote yung mga interview ng mga players mismo kung sino greatest player sa kanila.

 

Si jordan ay one of the greatest player. Ang question ko lng yung competition na nakuha nya nung 90s. Kasi nung 80s na hindi pa sya nagchampion pde tlga dikitan si jordan. Pero once na nagchampion na ng 90s parang hindi na madikitan. Ang iniisip ko tuloy hindi kaya pinoprotectahan ni David Stern para hindi masira yung story na gusto nya mangyari?

 

Nung 90s kasi hindi ko nakita yung kagaya depensa na natanggap nya nung 80s.

 

ANOTHER THING:  @edc: I would still collect Jordan shoes kahit napunta pa siya sa Converse and Addidas, Fila or Reebok.. Kasi icon si Jordan.. If I wear his shoes.. I do feel good.. Hindi rin lahat gusto ko.. But I like Jordan that's why I buy his shoes.. The same with Duncan's up and coming shoeline sa Addidas (yung may chip).. 14995 daw ang SRP.. bibilhin ko pa din ito dahil kay Duncan.. kung yung mga kay Iverson, TMac and Garnett, VC magaganda eh.. kaso hindi ko binibili.. Jordan lang dahil si Jordan ay isang haligi ng baksetball.. (at yung Duncan na lalabas).. Kaya gusto ko pati apparel niya.. Punta ka Lifestyle section.. andun iba posts ko..

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Ayan nagkalinawan. Ako kasi tinitingnan ko yung shoes mismo kung maganda talaga. Si Ron Artest favorite player ko kaso ang pangit ng design ng shoes so hindi ako bibili. Sa design kasi ako tumitingin hindi sa name ng shoes.

 

Si Bird na gusto ko pero hindi ako bibili ng converse ksi hindi maganda eh.

 

Si jordan na player hindi ko gusto pero yung jordan 11 gusto ko ksi maganda design.

 

Yung Air Max 360 wala player na nagmomodel tlga pero marami bibili nun kasi maganda.

[edc]

Q: Did you see Michael Jordan struggling early in his career to reach the level that you and Magic had established?

 

Bird: Well, everybody knew that Michael was a great basketball player, probably one of the greatest to ever play the game. But until he started winning championships, everyone just sort of said, "Yeah, he's a great player and scores a lot of points, but his team don't win." Michael learned, as he went along, that it takes more then two or three guys out there. It takes five guys, eight guys to win a championship. It takes a whole team to win championship after championship, and it took him awhile. He didn't have the talent that me and Magic had around us. But Michael was still scoring a lot of points, taking a lot of shots, and the ball wasn't moving. Michael scored 63 points on us in a playoff game, and the next game in Chicago we decided to triple-team him because we knew that he wasn't going to pass it. But now, if you tried that, you'd get beat by 100 points because he'll make those passes. He'll make the extra pass. He's got confidence in his teammates. They move the ball around. They're hard to defend. They're well-coached. So he's learned a lot. He's really learned a lot during the past eight or nine years.

 

---Yan yung sinasabi ko regarding kay Michael Jordan. Kailangan magaling yung kakampi nya. Sinabi ni Bird na meron sila ni Magic na magagaling na kakampi kaya mas swerte sila.

 

Pero kahit nung wala pa sa NBA sila Magic and Bird eh tlga isasali nila sa Offense yung mga kakampi nila kahit hindi magagaling. Nung college mga unknown yung teammates nila Bird and Magic pero isasali talaga nila sa offense.

 

Si Jordan kakampi na nya nung College sila James Worthy and Sam Perkins pero hindi talaga ugali ni Jordan yung Team Concept.

 

Ang alam ko nagturo kay Jordan ng Team Concept eh si Phil Jackson at 90s na yun. (Yan din gusto nya ituro kay Kobe kaso medyo matigas pa ulo)

 

Kasi hindi tama yung argument na "kailangan meron ka magaling na kakampi para pumasa si jordan" Sa akin ksi kung magaling ka tlga mapapagaling mo kahit hindi magaling basta papasa ka lng ng bola.

 

Kaya sa mga players ngayon na nakikita ko nasa another level na yung game eh si Lebron James. Bata pa lng hindi na bwakaw. Alam yung tamang paraan pano ilaro ang basketball. Hindi naman ganun kagagaling yung lineup ng Cavs pero pumapasa si Lebron. Share the ball

[ghetto_gospel]

haahaha! asking edc who is the greatest basketball player ever? pinatawa mo ko dun ah. :boo: either ur joking or u r born yesterday...

 

...kailangan pa bang i memorize yan?  nice 1 ghetto

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Kung alam ko kung sino ang greatest player ever para sa kanya di na ko magtatanong!!! Common sense bro!!!

 

Yo edc! ang dami mong nilagay na post pero yung sagot sa tanong ko wala prin. Oo fave mo si Artest pero di mo parin sinasabi kung sino greatest player para syo!!! You made a good post regarding Bird's arguement on Jordan pero eto tanong ko.............Sino ang pinaka naging successful kila Magic, Bird at MJ??? Pag di si MJ sagot mo ewan ko na!!!! Kahit ata sa di marunong magbasketball mo itanong yan MJ parin isasagot e...........

[revi]

@edc:

 

Your idol Bird.. was correct in his statements with Jordan's early years.. Hwag mo sasabihing hindi siya marunong pumasa.. Bird did not say that.. Jordan did not have that confidence with his team mates during his early career.. kaya hindi siya pumapasa.. Kung ikaw ba naman eh.. ipapasa mo bola.. tapos ibabalik din sa iyo.. ano gagawin mo? These points are all in biographies.. pare.. Even Jordan admitted this.. and this was what the critics were always saying.. Can he really carry his team all alone?

 

Hindi.. Yan ang sagot.. He needed good players around him.. that could contribute consistently.. Wala naman talagang ganun eh.. Yung mag-cha-champion na iisa ang gagawa.. Basketball is a team sport and will always be.. maswerte si Bird and Magic? hehehe!! Pare, ubod ng swerte.. they had good players who really contributed big time.. Parish, McHale, Ainge --- rookie season: ni Bird, andiyan si Archibald and Cowens.. on other side, Magic had Kareem, Coop, Worthy, Byron Scott.. They had all the ingredients to become champions that is why Magic and Bird had the confidence to pass the ball around.. players who were consistent not like Orlando Woolridge, John Paxson.. sige Scottie Pippen was good but only in latter part of his career hindi yung early years.. Plus the fact that when they need to be bailed out si MJ hinahanap eh..

 

When Jordan won those six championships.. he credited his team mates kasi nga consistent na sina Pippen, Cartwright, Paxson, Grant and BJ Armstrong.. But he was still the catalyst.. Next 3 championships were Kukoc, Harper, Longley, Kerr, Pippen and Rodman.. He had the confidence coz PhilJax wanted him to have the confidence.. nakalagay din ito sa mga libro, dre.. At dahil hindi siya nanalo nung umpisa ng career niya dahil wala siyang consistent na team mates ay sasabihin mo na na hindi siya greatest? Your full of air.. pare.. Kung ibigay kay Bird sina Woolridge at John Paxson tingnan ko lang kung manalo ang prized player mo..

 

At sabi mo 80's yung Jordan Rules.. Oo 80's nga at nung first nag-champion ang Bulls.. No argument there.. E ano ngayon kung 80's.. dahil hindi siya marunong pumasa? You are wrong.. Dahil kung hindi nila gagawin yung Jordan Rules sa tingin ni Chuck Daly Jordan would eat them alive.. Dahil kahit i-double team siya gagawa pa rin siya.. Walang Bird rules or Magic rules dahil hindi nila kayang mag-dominate na kamukha ng pag-dominate ni MJ.. This was stated by Magic.. may extra gear si Jordan... may fifth gear siya.. This made him more dramatic than your Bird and even Magic.. and this led to him globalizing basketball..

 

Dahil ba hindi nag-champion is Jordan kaagad dahil hindi magaling team mates niya hindi siya greatest? Mali ka dun.. When he globalized basketball dun siya naging greatest.. Kung talent lang para sa iyo, edc ang pagiging greatest then you are wrong.. sobrang mali ka.. Alam mo kung para sa iyo hindi greatest si Jordan then sa iyo yun.. Globalizing makes you an insitution.. but you need talent and charisma to do such an act.. Your Bird lacked the charisma and highlight reels.. Magic had the charisma but he lacked the punishing dunks.. Pare, he globalized basketball and thus made himself God in the eyes of many.. Globalization makes you great pare.. even greatest if I may say so.. Uulitin ko.. hindi lang talent.. maraming factors to be the greatest.. And Jordan had 3/4 of those factors..

 

Kakasawa na makipag-argue.. all the same POV's.. Walang bago.. :thumbsdownsmiley:

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@edc:

 

You say ibang level si LBJ.. dahil pumapasa siya.. kahit nga wala siyang bantay pumapasa siya eh lalo na kapag crucial plays.. Hindi kaya takot lang ang bata mo na si LBJ na tumira kapag crucial plays.. si Reggie nga.. sina Bird.. they were not afraid to take the shots.. si LBJ ni FT's kina-clank eh.. Ano'ng ibang level na pinagsasabi mo? LBJ has not proven anything yet that he is clutch.. He has proven that he is talented.. and belong to stardom in the NBA but he is not yet an "ibang level.."

 

Going back:

 

Hindi talaga marunong pumasa si Jordan? UNC pa lang hindi siya marunong pumasa? Bird/Magic kasali sa opensa ang team mates? Bird and Magic were better than MJ when he came in.. Jordan never had the ball all the time coz hindi naman siya agad ang superstar ng team niya eh.. He had to prove himself first..

 

Whoever said that Jordan was the most talented player when he came in the NBA anyway.. It was stated in books that he had to work as hard to become what he became.. his shooting, his skills.. everything.. But uulitin ko.. his heart, charisma, work ethic, etc. .. became factors and once talent came in dun umusbong ang career niya.. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson was more talented when they came in the league.. Their IQ was better.. But Jordan worked hard to achieve what both Magic and Bird achieved.. and even surpassed them in the long haul.. & even surpassed the greats of the game.. Kareem, Wilt, etc.

[edc]

Regarding dun sa globalization ni Jordan wlang debate dun. Yung media and cable television pumasok ng 90s. So ang nafeed sa atin dito puro Jordan. So nagkasabay sabay na lng.

 

Pero yung competition talaga nakuha ni jordan hindi sapat. Kulang sa magagaling na defender nung early 90s. Tapos binebaby pa ng referee si jordan.

 

Ito isa pa question hindi pa nasasagot: Bakit nung after magchampion ni jordan eh hindi ko makita na madikitan si jordan? (Hinayaan ba ni David Stern yun?)

 

So yan lang question ko ksi iba yung officiating nung 80s sa 90s eh. Sa 80s kahit superstar ka rough parin matatangap mo na defense pero nung after nagchampion ni jordan eh wla na ako makita na ganun defense.

[ghetto_gospel]

Kung si Bird ang greatest player dapat hanggang ngayon bukambibig parin sya ng mga tao regardless of any kind of technology..........Does that make sense??

 

Wag mo din isisisi kay David Stern yung officiating dati kasi kahit kelan di naman naging referee si Stern e......

 

 

Bakit ngayon na sobrang lupet na ng technology, at di hamak na mas malupet kesa dati, tapos sobrang dami din ng mga magagaling na players tulad nila LBJ, Melo, Wade, etc.....di parin nasasapawan yung greatness ni MJ??? Isn't it the same scenario with yo Bird and the people's MJ??? Or is it just MJ truly is the greatest???

[ghetto_gospel]

O eto basahin nyo!!! Pag di nyo parin naintindihan lahat ng nakalagay dito mag enroll ulit kayo mula prep hanggang college or better yet wag na kayo magpost dito kasi sigurado ko di nyo din naiintindihan yung mga pinaglalalagay nyo dito!!!

 

 

http://23jordan.com/finalgame.htm

[tidyaxx]

Ill add lang dun sa sinabi ni Kanto-terrorist.

 

Hindi stats ang question ko, yung competition nung nanalo sya.

 

---Greatest na ba para sa inyo ang  kalaban eh Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns, Aging Lakers, Seattle Supersonics?

 

---Naging dehado ba si Jordan nung early 90s?( Siya inasahan manalo kasi mga inferior nakuha nya match-up)

 

---Karamihan mga bumantay kay Jordan nung 90s eh sila Bryon Russell, Jeff Hornacek, John Starks, Craig Ehlo, Danny Ainge, Charlie Ward.......etc(Yan time na yan naging great si Jordan)

 

---Greatest ba yung last final apperance nya eh ang bumantay sila Hornacek and Bryon Russell?( Kung sa boxing dehado dehado dalawa na yan)

 

---Greatest ba yung konti hawak lang kay jordan  eh foul agad. Masyado ba na-baby si Jordan ng mga tawag ng referee?(Bakit nung early 90s lalo na nung sumikat si jordan eh konti hawak lng  tatawag agad yung referee ng foul pero nung 80s naman kahit yakapin ka na nga ang tagal pa tumawag ng foul) (Pero nung tinulak nya si Bryon Russell wla naman offensive foul tinawag)

 

----Nagchampion ba si Jordan na sya ang dehado(Never kasi hindi sya nagchampion nung 80s, Nagchampion sya nung 90s na hindi na sya dehado)

 

If ever sana kung nagchampion si Jordan na Grabe yung defense eh pede Greatest player pero hindi na nga grabe mga bumantay kay jordan nung time na nagchampion sya. binebaby pa ng referee yung mga tawag. (Ayaw ba ni David Stern Mainjured si Jordan para hindi masira yung sales?)

 

Parang takot yung mga referee nung time ni jordan kaya tawag agad ng foul. Bawal ba masaktan si Jordan?

 

Pero hindi ko nakita na hinayaan ng NBA nung 90s na defensahan si jordan kagaya nung gingawa nung 80s basketball. Wala ako nakita FIERST COMPETITION.

 

Isang beses ko lang nakita na meron match si jordan ng Finals, sa portland trailblazers. Drexler and Cliff Robinson Bumantay kay Jordan. The rest na nakalaban nya sa finals eh ewan ko na sino ka match nya dun.

 

Yung sa jazz tlga pag naalala ko mismatch na mismatch. jordan vs bryon russell, jordan vs hornacek.

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i think you're missing the point dun sa competition nya...dont you appreciate the dominance of jordan when 5 teams tried to beat him for the title and yet NO ONE succeded??

 

let's put this competition in perspective....nba regular season goes for 82 games..there are 3 rounds of playoffs to get into the finals...to win the title you will go through the 82 regular season games plus a minimum of 15 games (dati) assuming you swept all the rounds in post season....that's a total of minimum 97 games...hindi ko maimagine kung bakit hindi ka nakakita ng fierce competition.....

 

to be in the finals is no fluke...it means you've proven that you are the best in your conference. when bulls played suns in 93, the latter had the best record in the nba and barkley was named regular season mvp. i think same goes with jazz in 98...when bulls beat jazz in 97, malone was the regular season mvp...i think when bulls beat the sonics, payton was the defensive player of the year..

 

di ba mas pinakita mo ang greatness mo kung ibat ibang teams ang tinalo mo kesa sa palaging isang team lang??

 

bilangin natin kung ilang ang tinalo ng mga greatest players of recent history

 

jordan - 5 (lakers, blazers, suns, sonics, jazz)

magic - 3 (sixers, celtics, pistons)

shaq/kobe - 3 (pacers, nets, sixers)

bird - 2 (lakers, rockets)

isaiah - 2 (lakers, blazers)

hakeem - 2 (magic, knicks)

duncan - 2 (nets, pistons)

dr. j - 1 (lakers)

 

from your post, i'm getting the impression na kaya nanalo si jordan kasi hindi naman sikat na mga defensive players ang bumantay sa kanya...you seem to forget that teams who tried to beat jordan even tried to double/triple team him...parang nakalimutan mo na on his way to the finals eh binugbog sya ng bad boys ng detroit at ng knicks....at hindi lang isang game nangyari ito...buong regular season at playoffs eh talagang hindi pinatawad si jordan...

[zeoth]

nyc topic po =)

[edc]

from your post, i'm getting the impression na kaya nanalo si jordan kasi hindi naman sikat na mga defensive players ang bumantay sa kanya...you seem to forget that teams who tried to beat jordan even tried to double/triple team him...parang nakalimutan mo na on his way to the finals eh binugbog sya ng bad boys ng detroit at ng knicks....at hindi lang isang game nangyari ito...buong regular season at playoffs eh talagang hindi pinatawad si jordan...

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Totoo wala sikat na defender pero hindi rin hinayaan ng mga refs na palaruin yung mga defender na kagaya nung ginawa kay jordan nung 80s. Pag kalaban ni Jordan bobo team simpleng hawak foul agad.

 

Isa rin question ko lalo na nung early 90s eh talaga si jordan na maghahari nun ksi yung mga nakalaban nya hindi ko makita na magagagling talaga.

 

Yung mga teams din ng early 90s hindi rin competitive.

 

Yung lahat na nakalaban ni jordan sa finals eh talagang matatalo. Hindi dehado si jordan nung 90s. Wala ako nakita team na tinalo si jordan na malakas nung 90s kasi yung lineup ng bulls ang malakas eh.

 

Kung yung dehado team ni jordan nung 80s(especially nung 89 and 90) eh nagchampion eh hands down greatest player sya.

 

Iba ksi pag dehado yung team mo tapos nagchampion ka. Mas iba yung feeling nun eh. Hindi ko nakita yung kay jordan nung 90s.

 

Sa akin ksi ang greatest pag dehado ang team pero natalo yung malupit na team.

 

Si jordan expected naman na matatalo nya nung 90s mga nakalaban nya. Walang kagulat gulat dun.

Edited March 22, 2006 by edc

[ghetto_gospel]

Totoo wala sikat na defender pero hindi rin hinayaan ng mga refs na palaruin yung mga defender na kagaya nung ginawa kay jordan nung 80s. Pag kalaban ni Jordan bobo team simpleng hawak foul agad.

 

Isa rin question ko lalo na nung early 90s eh talaga si jordan na maghahari nun ksi yung mga nakalaban nya hindi ko makita na magagagling talaga.

 

Yung mga teams din ng early 90s hindi rin competitive.

 

Yung lahat na nakalaban ni jordan sa finals eh talagang matatalo. Hindi dehado si jordan nung 90s. Wala ako nakita team na tinalo si jordan na malakas nung 90s kasi yung lineup ng bulls ang malakas eh.

 

Kung yung dehado team ni jordan nung 80s(especially nung 89 and 90) eh nagchampion eh hands down greatest player sya.

 

Iba ksi pag dehado yung team mo tapos nagchampion ka. Mas iba yung feeling nun eh. Hindi ko nakita yung kay jordan nung 90s.

 

Sa akin ksi ang greatest pag dehado ang team pero natalo yung malupit na team.

 

Si jordan expected naman na matatalo nya nung 90s mga nakalaban nya. Walang kagulat gulat dun.

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Bro! pano magiging dehado si Jordan e sya nga greatest player ever?????

[howard_the_duck]

kaya siguro parang walang kwenta ang mga kalaban ni MJ kasi napakagaling niya?

[mauiboy]

buhay na buhay na naman ang thread na ito ah!!! :thumbsupsmiley: makasabat na nga po...that's what makes michael jordan great.he makes scoring look so easy that you will think na mababa ang quality ng mga players defending him.gary payton,john starks,bad boys of detroit,don't tell me na bobo sa depensa ang mga ito.

another thing i admire about MJ is he always strives to improve his skills.pag pasok nya sa NBA he is known to be more of a slasher/penetrator.pero as the years went by,he developed a mean 20-foot jumper that is so hard to defend against.