His Airness Michael Jordan

[bret_hart]

Ang alam ko nagchampion si jordan 91 na. 84 dumating si jordan. those 7 years hindi yan nagchampion.

 

Mga gurang na yang mga player na sinabi mo nung nagchampion si jordan. Ang alam ko mga inupakan ni jordan sila john starks, bryon russell, craig ehlo, charlie ward.........etc.

 

nung panahon na nagchampion si jordan mga latak ang bumabantay sa kanya. eh sa 80s pano sya magchachampion eh grabe physical game nun.

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kung latak ang tawag mo sa mg bumabantay kay jordan, eh ano tawag mo sa mga bumamabantay kay chamberlain?

 

di mo gets yung point eh. masyado ka focused on the records. di dyan napapatunayan ang kagalingan..

[tidyaxx]

kung defender tingin mo kay craig ehlo, bryon russell, charlie ward, john starks....etc nung PANAHON na nagchampion si jordan eh ewan ko na.

 

isipin mo na lng bkit nung 80s hind sya nagchampion. inantay na tumanda sila bird, magic, isiah? 7years yun ha.

 

sabihin mo and nyo kung SINO ba defender nung panahon na nagchampion si jordan?

 

pero wag ka magalala mahilig ako sa nike. pero hindi dun sa player

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let's put this in perspective....hindi nagchampion ang bulls nung 80's kasi mas maraming magaling na team that time. nung 80's mas competetive ang eastern conference compared sa western conference where the lakers were dominant. nandyan ang mighty celtics led by bird, sixers led by dr. j, pistons led by isaiah, hawks led by dominic and knicks led by ewing.

 

dumaan si jordan sa mga kamay ng bad boys of detroit bago sya makapasok sa nba finals. at yung unang title ni jordan was against lakers of magic johnson. so hindi tama yung statement mo na hinintay nya munang tumanda sina isaiah at magic bago sya nagchampion. nag retire si magic hindi dahil matanda na sya kundi dahil naging hiv positive sya.

 

do you know of a player named gary payton?? he was onced named defensive player of the year during the championship years of jordan!!!

[Guest pektor]

I think Jordan was very very competitive when he played for the WIZARDS on 2002... though, he really couldn't play as competitive as he liked because of his age....

 

I think that Jordan is still one of the best players who ever played basketball...

 

He admitted that he's not a good baseball player... i don't know about his golfing skills though!!

[edc]

let's put this in perspective....hindi nagchampion ang bulls nung 80's kasi mas maraming magaling na team that time. nung 80's mas competetive ang eastern conference compared sa western conference where the lakers were dominant. nandyan ang mighty celtics led by bird, sixers led by dr. j, pistons led by isaiah, hawks led by dominic and knicks led by ewing.

 

dumaan si jordan sa mga kamay ng bad boys of detroit bago sya makapasok sa nba finals. at yung unang title ni jordan was against lakers of magic johnson. so hindi tama yung statement mo na hinintay nya munang tumanda sina isaiah at magic bago sya nagchampion. nag retire si magic hindi dahil matanda na sya kundi dahil naging hiv positive sya.

 

do you know of a player named gary payton?? he was onced named defensive player of the year during the championship years of jordan!!!

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Gusto ko yun sagot mo sa first paragraph mo. it shows hindi greatest player si jordan.

 

Gary payton? sino pa? kung si gary payton lang para maging greatest player eh marami na magiging greatest.

 

 

Ang competition nung panahon na nagchampion si jordan medyo hindi ganun kalupit dhil mga player na kasaybay hindi ganun ka-ok.

 

Si jordan one of the greatest player. Pero ang sure ako si jordan is the most popular player.

[edc]

kung latak ang tawag mo sa mg bumabantay kay jordan, eh ano tawag mo sa mga bumamabantay kay chamberlain?

 

di mo gets yung point eh. masyado ka focused on the records. di dyan napapatunayan ang kagalingan..

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Never ko naging favorite player si chamberlain. Alamin mo muna sino favorite player ko. iba poster yung yung nagmamalaki kay chamberlain.

 

Never ko pinagmalaki si chamberlain. iba poster yun nagsabi nun. back read ka.

 

80s sinasabi ko hindi 50s and 60s

[tidyaxx]

Gusto ko yun sagot mo sa first paragraph mo. it shows hindi greatest player si jordan.

 

Gary payton? sino pa? kung si gary payton lang para maging greatest player eh marami na magiging greatest.

Ang competition nung panahon na nagchampion si jordan medyo hindi ganun kalupit dhil mga player na kasaybay hindi ganun ka-ok.

 

Si jordan one of  the greatest player. Pero ang sure ako si jordan is the most popular player.

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back read ka dun sa post ko kung bakit si jordan ang tingin ko na greatest player of all time. then post your counter arguement and cite specific instances.

[bret_hart]

Never ko naging favorite player si chamberlain. Alamin mo muna sino favorite player ko. iba poster yung yung nagmamalaki kay chamberlain.

 

Never ko pinagmalaki si chamberlain. iba poster yun nagsabi nun. back read ka.

 

80s sinasabi ko hindi 50s and 60s

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dude, madaming magaling na defenders nung 80's and 90's. underrated players lang sila kse they are not offensively good pero they are very decent defenders.

 

the problem is kahit anong klaseng depensa bigay mo kay Jordan wala talaga. he's just so good that you have to throw all five defenders on him para lang di sya maka-pag produce.

[edc]

dude, madaming magaling na defenders nung 80's and 90's. underrated players lang sila kse they are not offensively good pero they are very decent defenders.

 

the problem is kahit anong klaseng depensa bigay mo kay Jordan wala talaga. he's just so good that you have to throw all five defenders on him para lang di sya maka-pag produce.

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Eh Yung nga point ko bakit hindi nagchampion si jordan nung 80s. Nung tumanda na yung mga player ng 80s dun na lng nagchampion si jordan. 7 years yan bago nagchampion. 91 na.

 

Sino sino ba mga tinalo ni jordan nung nagchampion sya? Sino mga bumantay kay jordan?

 

Pero kung sasabihin nyo si jordan na most popular player walang problema.

 

Pero kung sasabihin na greatest player of all time ewan ko na.

 

Si jordan "One of the Greatest Player"

[bret_hart]

Eh Yung nga point ko bakit hindi nagchampion si jordan nung 80s. Nung tumanda na yung mga player ng 80s dun na lng nagchampion si jordan. 7 years yan bago nagchampion. 91 na.

 

Sino sino ba mga tinalo ni jordan nung nagchampion sya? Sino mga bumantay kay jordan?

 

Pero kung sasabihin nyo si jordan na most popular player walang problema.

 

Pero kung sasabihin na greatest player of all time ewan ko na.

 

Si jordan "One of the Greatest Player"

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well, you can't do anything about it kung sabihin namin na si MJ ang greatest player ever dahil its our opinion. kung para sa yo on of the greatest player lang sya then we will let you have that.

 

about sa point mo na bakit it took 7 years bago nag-champion si MJ, kse it also took 7 years for the the Bulls' organization to come up up with a champinoship caliber team. di naman pwede sabihin na dahil nandun na si MJ sa Bulls automatic dapat nag-champion na sila. basketball is a team game my friend. kahit gano ka kagaling kung wala ka naman kakampi na susuporta sa yo eh, balewala lang di ba? :thumbsupsmiley:

Edited February 9, 2006 by bret_hart

[edc]

well, you can't do anything about it kung sabihin namin na si MJ ang greatest player ever dahil its our opinion. kung para sa yo on of the greatest player lang sya then we will let you have that.

 

about sa point mo na bakit it took 7 years bago nag-champion si MJ, kse it also took 7 years for the the Bulls' organization to come up up with a champinoship caliber team. di naman pwede sabihin na dahil nandun na si MJ sa Bulls automatic dapat nag-champion na sila. basketball is a team game my friend. kahit gano ka kagaling kung wala ka naman kakampi na susuporta sa yo eh, balewala lang di ba? :thumbsupsmiley:

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Pero impact ni jordan sa bulls nung rookie sya 11 win games win lng. wla pa si pippen nun. Hindi rin mga bano mga kakampi ni jordan nung wla pa si pippen.

 

Medyo tamad pa mampasa ng bola si jordan nun. Nung tinuruan na lng sya ni Phil jackson kaya sya nampasa.

 

Do u think magchachampion bulls nun pag si pippen mas maaga napunta ng bulls? i dont think so.

 

Pano mo naman tatalunin yung lineup ng lakers and celtics nun.

 

Kanya kanya tayo ng stardard eh. kung tingin nyo greatest player si jordan na bumabantay sa kanya nung nagchampiopn sya craig ehlo, gary payton, drexler, cliff robinson, starks, charlie ward, bryon russell....etc.......yan yung standard nyo.

 

expected magchampion si jordan pag yan ang bantay. pag natalo sya ng mga yan eh ewan ko na.

[Gideon]

I can't say na greatest player si Jordan.

 

Because for a fact that it took MJ 7 years to get the trophy n MJ didn't do it alone.

 

He had Support in the form of Pippen n Horace/Rodman.

[tidyaxx]

I can't say na greatest player si Jordan.

 

Because for a fact that it took MJ 7 years to get the trophy n MJ didn't do it alone.

 

He had Support in the form of  Pippen n Horace/Rodman.

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wala pa akong natatandaan na player na nanalo ng championship in his rookie year at hindi nangailangan ng tulong ng teammates nya. Si Magic Johnson alam ko nagchampion nung rookie year nya, pero kasama nya dun si Kareem.

 

Ibig bang sabihin sa more than 50 years of NBA wala pang pwedeng maconsider na greatest player of all time??? lahat na lang sila one of the greatest pero di pwedeng maging greatest of all time?

 

i cannot believe that winning a championship by doing it alone is a criterion!!! look at the kobe bryant thread. those posters are desperately seeking good support from kobe's teammates so kobe can win a championship again.

[edc]

wala pa akong natatandaan na player na nanalo ng championship in his rookie year at hindi nangailangan ng tulong ng teammates nya.  Si Magic Johnson alam ko nagchampion nung rookie year nya, pero kasama nya dun si Kareem.

 

Ibig bang sabihin sa more than 50 years of NBA wala pang pwedeng maconsider na greatest player of all time??? lahat na lang sila one of the greatest pero di pwedeng maging greatest of all time?

 

i cannot believe that winning a championship by doing it alone is a criterion!!! look at the kobe bryant thread. those posters are desperately seeking good support from kobe's teammates so kobe can win a championship again.

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Lahat naman kaialngan ng kakampi. pero ang point ko kung greatest player ba si jordan.

 

hinda nya naagnat bulls ng wla pa sila pippen at phil jackson. sinasab ko impact nya sa bulls nung early years. hindi bano mga kakampi ni jordan nung early years. bwakaw lng tlga si jordan until maging coach nya si phil jackson.

 

ang alam ko impact ni jordan impact sa slam dunk contest. iba IQ ni jordan nung bago pa sya. naturuan na lng ni phil jackson nung patagal nung nampapasa na ng bola.

 

pero check nyo na lng competion nung panahon ni jordan nung 90s

 

check nyo din competition panahon ni bird and magic ng 80s

 

isa pa player na malupit pero hindi pinapansin si pistol pete maravich.

 

Dehado ba si jordan sa mga bumabantay sa kanya nung 90s?

 

si kobe hindi ko type ksi naalala ko si jordan nung bata sya.

[bret_hart]

Lahat naman kaialngan ng kakampi. pero ang point ko kung greatest player ba si jordan.

 

hinda nya naagnat bulls ng wla pa sila pippen at phil jackson. sinasab ko impact nya sa bulls nung early years.  hindi bano mga kakampi ni jordan nung early years. bwakaw lng tlga si jordan until maging coach nya si phil jackson.

 

ang alam ko impact ni jordan impact sa slam dunk contest. iba IQ ni jordan nung bago pa sya. naturuan na lng ni phil jackson nung patagal nung nampapasa na ng bola.

 

pero check nyo na lng competion nung panahon ni jordan nung 90s

 

check nyo din competition panahon ni bird and magic ng 80s

 

isa pa player na malupit pero hindi pinapansin si pistol pete maravich.

 

Dehado ba si jordan sa mga bumabantay sa kanya nung 90s?

 

si kobe hindi ko type ksi naalala ko si jordan nung bata sya.

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dude, di naman ganun kadali maging greatest eh. you have to go through some aches and pains. you have to learn lessons from the other greats and that's what MJ went through. he passed through the hands of Magic, Larry etc.. and he learned how to play the game a lot better from Phil Jackson.

 

competition nung 90's.. well dumaan si MJ kay Magic, kay Drexler, kay Barkley, kay Kemp and Payton at kay Stockton and Malone at sa Bad Boys. di pa ba enough competition yun?

 

at bakit naman napasok si Pete Maravich dito?

Edited February 10, 2006 by bret_hart

[revi]

Let's say that EDC is correct in saying that Jordan did not have the BB IQ that Bird or Magic had during his rookie season.. or even during his college formative years.. (*** The quotations below came from the book entitled Jordan by Mitchell Krugel..)

 

But his "lack of BB IQ" (as EDC says) maybe pushed him to the limits.. Sabi nga ni Jordan.. "I never had the notoriety in HS & that was probably a blessing because I always had the hunger.." He had to prove himself even during his college years.. He even wanted out of North Carolina.. during his freshman year if not for Asst. Coach Roy Williams talking him out of his decision.. So also had to prove himself in college.. and he was not an instant star.. But he proved himself in college.. and we all know that..

 

When he decided to go pro.. he wasn't picked as the #1.. it was Olajuwon and #2, was Sam Bowie.. He was a good player.. but he did not receive the same hype as that of Magic, Bird or LBJ (at this era).. He again had to prove himself..

 

Then after he won ROY.. but still not being able to really lift the Bulls (as EDC said-11 wins lang ang na-improve di ba?).. and getting injured the following year.. people at that time gave up on him.. So he had to prove again in his third season that he was deserving of the 3rd pick.. This drove him in the '86 playoffs against the Celtics.. a 49 - 63-point games back to back.. But still they lost.. and he had to prove himself again..

 

People said that he can not shoot.. that he is just a dunking demon.. he proved otherwise.. "When Doug Collins coached the Bulls he sold to Jordan on the idea of becoming a good shooter.. He developed some of his ability(ies) through tireless practice.. as some were God-given.."

 

People said that he can not post up.. Hmmm.. He is not an inside player.. another Hmmm.. Let's look at what Magic had to say about this: "I saw Bird w/ an extra gear, just in a different way.. Michael was more dominant than both of us ever dreamed up.. He could score 55 and in all different ways.. If our way was not going, then forget about it.. But Michael could go inside, outside and dunk.. -- that's what made him Air Jordan."

 

People said he can not pass.. He also developed this during the years.. He never had much confidence with his teammates and when his team mates became consistent.. he learned to share the ball.. This is documented.. look at the pass he had with Paxson and Kerr..

 

In all his years.. he was not a hyped up player from UNC.. he did not have all the packages when he entered the league to be called.. "arguably the best player in Basketball.." Its the way he continuously tried to improve his game year per year.. To add, he had the God-given talent to hang in the air.. and made him so exciting to watch.. and his clutch plays were so notirously known.. thus giving him the title of the greatest player (and sometimes the greatest athlete) who ever lived.. He was successful because he wanted to be.. and knew from the start that he did not have the complete package.. and tried to improve every year and became successful because of heart, determination and guts..

 

EDC said that defenders were "latak" when he won the championship but isn't it not the scoring and FG% that is a true testament.. let's look at Jordan's scoring through the Bird and Magic era..

 

84-85 - 28.2; 85-86 - 22.7; 86-87 - 37.1; 87-88 - 35.0; 88-89 - 32.5; 89-90 - 33.6; 90-91 - 31.5.. Out of this 7 years playing against Bird/Magic and Isaiah.. 5 of these years were all 50%++ FG percentages..

 

This only shows that Jordan had his way against the whole of the NBA at that time.. Even though defense was tight against him.. He learned to find ways to score.. Di ba? Kung talagang matindi ang defense before dapat siguro hindi siya puros 30++ ang puntos niya..

 

Nuff said?

Edited February 11, 2006 by revi