PacMan's Corner

[julian69]

Five things we learned from Mayweather vs. Marquez

 

 

1. The concerns over Mayweather's ring rust were greatly exaggerated

Many thought the skills that have made Mayweather a surefire Hall of Famer -- the dazzling reflexes, precise counter-punching ability and preternatural ring instincts -- might suffer from the 21-month layoff. But Floyd appeared sharp from jump street, landing 18 of 31 punches (58 percent) in the first round, compared to just 4 of 52 for Marquez (8 percent). It set a harsh tone: Marquez landed in single digits in every subsequent round. Dinamita just could never figure out a way to get into the fight. It got ugly by the end. Mayweather outlanded his outclassed opponent 34-4 in the 10th and 41-5 in the 11th, prompting Golden Boy's Eric Gomez to beg Marquez's corner to throw in the towel. But Marquez managed to finish with dignity -- con caracter -- remaining on his feet until the final bell rang.

 

2. Size and speed weren't Floyd's only advantages

Mayweather controlled the early rounds with the left jab, using his reach advantage to keep Marquez at a distance. But Floyd also throws a left that looks like a jab but turns into a hook mid-punch. It's a power punch. And once the opponent starts moving backwards, as Marquez did early on, Floyd can land it at will. Those hurt Marquez. After that, it was a steady diet of right-hand leads and more left jabs. We'd heard so much about Marquez's ability to make mid-fight adjustments, but it was Mayweather who impressed the boxing cognoscenti with his fistic acumen.

 

3. The promoters earned their paychecks on this one

The announcement of Marquez as the opponent for Mayweather's comeback fight was met with considerable surprise and skepticism back in May. What chance did the longtime featherweight champion, who'd fought just twice above 130 pounds, stand against an opponent most comfortable at welterweight?

 

Despite the critics, the combination of Marquez's Hall-of-Fame pedigree and consensus No. 2-standing in the pound-for-pound rankings (along with a slick promotional campaign, which included another four-part 24/7 series on HBO) made believers of us all. Not that Marquez would or even could win, but that he'd push Mayweather in a cagey, competitive fight. Yeah, right. This one was a mismatch from the start.

 

4. Weight classes exist for a reason ... and a good one

It's one of the oldest axioms in boxing lore: A good big man will always beat a good little man. Most of the time, anyway. Manny Pacquiao turned the conventional wisdom on its ear with victories over De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton, putting the truism to the test. Make no mistake: Marquez is a bona fide Hall of Famer, a champion in three divisions. But it was obvious from the opening rounds that Marquez was simply unable to hurt Mayweather. Even following the flash knockdown in the second round, when Marquez walked right into a left hook, he seemed content to fight in the center of the ring -- a fatal mistake. The eight or nine powerful shots Marquez was able to land seemed to slip right off Mayweather's cheeks, inducing toothy grins from the cocksure American. Transcendent talents like Pacquiao are once-in-a-generation exceptions to the rule: Saturday's fight gave fans a sobering (and expensive) reminder of the raison d'etre of weight classes.

 

5. The countdown to Mayweather-Pacquiao can begin

The specter of a showdown between Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao -- the former and current pound-for-pound champions -- hung over this fight before it was even made. It should finally happen next year (presuming Pacquiao gets through Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14), and it'll be a great one. Unlike the fatally flawed Marquez, Pacquiao is a small guy who can carry his punch up to welterweight. (Just ask De La Hoya.)

 

But many boxing fans are itching to see Mayweather pick on someone his own size. One attractive candidate is welterweight titlist Shane Mosley, who went Kanye West during Mayweather's televised post-fight interview with HBO's Max Kellerman and called Floyd out. The exchange left Mayweather flustered and Kellerman shook -- judging by the microphone trembling in his hand -- and probably did little to help Mosley secure the high-profile megafight he's deserved since January's lopsided stoppage of Antonio Margarito. As things stand, look for Mayweather to fight the Pacquiao-Cotto winner in 2010.

[SevenZeroFive]

at least walang greeting portion sina dyan at ronnie

 

Haha, and walang nagbanggit ng tuna from gensan

[don juan casanova]

Well my heart is on Manny P. but Floyd is a scary f#&king fighter how can you beat a guy that you can't hit...

Edited September 20, 2009 by don juan casanova

[Za09]

This will be a great fight offense vs defense who will win?

[deathsaurer]

Haha, and walang nagbanggit ng tuna from gensan

 

 

and no gay color comments ala john "sweet" lapuz (are you hearing me quinito & chiino?)

 

LOL

[Eddy Syet]

ewan ko ba

 

si Dyan Castillejo napaka-tanga, si Ronnie Nathanielsz feeling know it all sa boxing...

 

Tawa ako nang tawa kay Dyan nung laban ni Michael Katsidis (undercard sa FM-JMM fight). Paulit-ulit niyang sinabi sa laban na gusto ni Katsidis na lumaban sa Pinas or something to that effect. Siguro inulit-ulit niya yun sa loob ng 5 rounds. Nakakapikon makinig. Buti na lang exciting lumaban si Katsidis.

[jerzz]

Mayweather easily beats Marquez because the latter is a counter puncher and does not possesed a great offensive skills.

 

Floyd has more difficulty with Dela Hoya and Hatton who has more offensive skills.

 

Pacman is different animal, he has plenty of offensive skills and has NO FEAR which is the opposite of PBF.

 

Floyd has little power, he could not even knock out a lightweight, having said that, Freddie Roach is still on the money that Floyd is the weakest and easiest to beat among the 3 (Mosley & Cotto the other 2). Had it been Cotto or Mosley, JMM will surely get KO in the second round.

 

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If the Pacman can get past Cotto, Mayweather is no threat to him.

[Guest megalodon]

how can you beat a guy that you can't hit...

Are you talking of Pacquiao or Mayweather?

[izzpine]

hmmm... boring na boxer c mayweather...

[skitz]

PBF was trully impressive in that last fight (vs Marquez). I still hate his guts, but this MOFO is the real deal. Marquez looked liked a bumbling fool in the ring. And PBF made him look like that.

Edited September 21, 2009 by skitz

[chicboy18]

FMJ and JMM had a pretty boring fight. The truth is, no one wants to watch it that's why they made it look that FMJ suffered a rib injury but in reality the ticket sales was having an injury. 2 counter punchers sluggin it out, Roach said it best. It's gonna be a boring fight. But if it's gonna be money vs. manny, it's gonna be a classic match. A power puncher vs a counter puncher is the best matchup in boxing. I just hope manny wins over cotto with a knock down to hype the money vs. manny fight.

[ixnay]

...and Pretty Broke Floyd felt he was disrespected, and who does he take it out on?! Poor, innocent, Max Kellerman. F*cking douchebag. Max talks too much, Floyd? Eh kung panoorin mo kaya muna sarili mo no.

 

About the commentators, what happened to Sev Sarmienta getting the call for these kind of fights? Dapat yan, sa stable ng commentators ng ABS-CBN Sports si Sev, Boom Gonzales or si Bill Velasco and some boxing analyst other than Ronnie Nathanielsz. Makuha nila si Mike Ochosa pwede na.

 

I think Dyan Castillejo should stick to Sports Unlimited, and Ronnie Nathanielsz should stick to Japeth Aguilar like a monkey on a tree.

 

poor max indeed!.. a real a**hoLe in gayweather was seen in int'L Tv!.. he was just afraid that sugar & bernard will take it to him if he would'nt shut up!.. just cant believe when he said that max kellerman talks aLot!.. haha.. pretttyboy Loud mouth just went nuts being bombarded by questions from the picking of the his opponent to the penalty on the weight issue...

 

good thing is that i was able to watch the match on cable and was spared from hearing dyan castillejo & ronnie nathanielz "what on earth are they talking about!?.." comments!.. :upside:

[roaddog z]

As we all know boxing is a business. I'm sure Arum would do anything to get a Floyd/Pacman megafight

for next year. Even if Cotto loses he could always fight Shane for his WBA welterweight belt for some bucks. :upside:

[anatoly]

Manny has developed lateral movements (side to side) which he didn't have when he fought Marquez twice. As Roach said, if Manny duked it out with Marquez now, Marquez would get knocked out. As I said, Marquez was a sitting duck and was easy to hit. Roach again was on the money when he picked Gayweather to win on points. Gayweather would have to deal with MP's lateral movements which would make Pacman difficult to hit. No offense taken dude. That's your take. You're entitled to it.

that was some pretty good insight, im looking forward to seeing this lateral movement when puckyaw faces cotto, he's really going to need it to avoid the power of cotto.

[uaeboy25]

may joke nanaman na kumakalat.

 

pareho daw na si barristain at jmm na umiinom ng sariling ihi. ang problema nagkapalit ng baso si barristain at jmm :cool:

 

 

kaya daw natalo si jmm kay gayweather dahil ang nainom nyang ihi ay ihi ng matanda :upside:

[The_Blade]

I think Dyan Castillejo should stick to Sports Unlimited, and Ronnie Nathanielsz should stick to Japeth Aguilar like a monkey on a tree.

 

 

agree... putsa hindi sports commentators ang dating. parang mga baliw na fans... wow ng wow! puro mali mali sinasabi nila... langya..

[SevenZeroFive]

may joke nanaman na kumakalat.

 

pareho daw na si barristain at jmm na umiinom ng sariling ihi. ang problema nagkapalit ng baso si barristain at jmm :cool:

 

 

kaya daw natalo si jmm kay gayweather dahil ang nainom nyang ihi ay ihi ng matanda :upside:

 

Haha, kakaibang "Old Man Strength" yung nakuha ni Stalker. Strength ng baho!

[don juan casanova]

Are you talking of Pacquiao or Mayweather?

 

Mayweather bro

Edited September 21, 2009 by don juan casanova

[Za09]

agree... putsa hindi sports commentators ang dating. parang mga baliw na fans... wow ng wow! puro mali mali sinasabi nila... langya..

 

Oo kakahiya! baket naman si Dyan ang kinuha anu alam nun sa boxing? sa fitness and health or wheat grass nalang siya. anyway Mayweather is a scary ass f#&king skilled fighter very defensive and precise with his punches. Love this boxer or hate him he's one of the greatest boxer ever.

Edited September 21, 2009 by Za09

[tom_babauta]

Bet on it: Manny Pacquiao will be next to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr.

 

With his engaging smile and handsome face, Oscar De La Hoya exudes the aura of a gifted salesman, a top producer.

 

It has served him well as he has built his company, Golden Boy Promotions, into a major force in the boxing business since its inception eight years ago.

 

This was a tough sell, though.

 

De La Hoya was trying to convince an assemblage of irascible boxing types late Saturday night at the MGM Grand that Shane Mosley, rather than Manny Pacquiao, would make a better opponent for Floyd Mayweather Jr. in Mayweather’s next fight.

 

De La Hoya knew he was pushing for Mosley only because Mosley is a member in good standing of the Golden Boy stable. The crowd knew it. De La Hoya knew the crowd knew it, and the crowd knew De La Hoya knew the crowd knew it.

 

The poker table was filled with professionals and everyone saw the bluff developing.

 

Nevertheless, De La Hoya gave it a shot.

 

“Mosley has a strong case, let me tell you,” De La Hoya said, clearly struggling for words to back up his assertion, repeating the same phrase but stressing a different syllable each time. “Mosley has a strong case. Mosley has a very strong case.”

 

He sounded like one of those concert emcees at Shea Stadium in 1965 given the thankless task of hyping the appearance of Sounds Incorporated when the crowd was obviously wired up to see the Beatles.

 

De La Hoya’s pitch was greeted by a confused silence and then a couple of catcalls, until someone politely suggested that Pacquiao would present a more desirable match.

 

After all, during Mayweather’s hiatus of nearly two years from boxing, Pacquiao claimed the consensus if mythical title of best active boxer in the world at any weight.

 

Mayweather regained the distinction with a brilliant performance in his 12-round dismantling, a near shutout, of Juan Manuel Marquez on Saturday at the Grand Garden Arena.

 

Prediction: Team Golden Boy’s lobbying notwithstanding, Mayweather-Pacquiao will be made. Negotiations will be hard and marked by all manner of posturing and name-calling. The proposed fight will be supposedly “on,” then “off again,” then “back on,” and this cycle will repeat two or three times. We’ve seen this show before. The promoters will inform us repeatedly that the lucrative fight “transcends boxing,” whatever that means. But it will be made.

 

Mayweather, despite intense questioning — he accurately pointed out that he was being asked the same thing over and over again in various ways — did not address his next fight. About the Pacquiao-Miguel Cotto fight scheduled for Nov. 14 at the MGM Grand, Mayweather said only that he hopes the best man wins.

 

His father, Floyd Mayweather Sr., cast his vote for a fight with Pacquiao over Mosley, though he thinks his son would win either fight handily.

 

“Mosley just wants a big payday, and Floyd shouldn’t give him one,” Mayweather Sr. said. “I want him to fight Pacquiao. Floyd can definitely whoop Mosley. Pacquiao? He’s probably even easier. He’s not in Floyd’s league.”

 

Although their relationship has been contentious in the past, father and son embraced in the ring just before Little Floyd went to work on Marquez (50-5-1).

 

“I gave him some good words of wisdom in there,” said Mayweather Sr., evoking the memory of Michael Jackson by sporting a showy military-style jacket on fight night. “I wanted him to protect himself, to keep his hands up, to win. I just wanted to give him some fatherly advice.”

 

Much has been made, with good reason, of Mayweather’s lopsided advantage in the punch statistics and on the official scorecards, where he won 120-107, 119-108 and 118-109. (I found it in my heart to award Marquez one round and had it 119-108.)

 

Just as impressive were the nuances in Mayweather’s execution, the way he controlled the ring and took Marquez out of his game — a difficult assignment Mayweather made look effortless. In his first fight since December 2007, Mayweather enhanced his reputation as a thinking fan’s fighter, someone best appreciated by those who enjoy the finer points of the sport: defense, the art of elusion, tactical maneuvering.

 

Loyal to the end, Marquez’s supporters filled the arena with cheers on every attempt by their man to put together a flurry of punches. More often than not, though, Mayweather picked off shot after shot thrown by Marquez, like the Japanese monster Grogan swatting down a fighter jet on the old SCTV sketch. The defining image of the fight might be a frowning Marquez fan posing for a photo in the lobby afterward, looking downcast but defiantly holding up a Mexican flag with Marquez’s name spelled out on it in silver lettering.

 

“He was trying to go to the body, but when I am in the ring I can see every shot that is coming,” Mayweather (40-0) said.

 

Mayweather went off as a minus 350 betting favorite (risk $3.50 to net $1) at the MGM on Saturday after a late line move toward the underdog. In betting odds updated Sunday at all Lucky’s sports books in Nevada, Mayweather is listed as a minus 170 favorite against Pacquiao and as a minus 300 favorite against Mosley.

 

Mayweather Sr. saw at least a little room for improvement in his son’s dominant showing Saturday and expects him to be sharper in his next fight — a sobering assessment for either Pacquiao or Mosley.

 

“Rust means a lot,” Mayweather Sr. said. “I don’t care what anybody says. You ain’t fought in two years and you fight again, it’s going to feel different. If Floyd had never took time off, he would have stopped him. He would have been in fighting shape, no rust.

 

“He wasn’t rusty like completely gone. But he didn’t let his hands go. If he did, you would have seen a different ending to the fight. You would have seen a stoppage.”

[tom_babauta]

Purse may derail Pacquiao bout with Mayweather

 

 

Only one thing could prevent a Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Manny Pacquiao fight from happening – a disagreement on the purse split.

This early, the boxing world is looking at a big clash between the two pound-for-pound champions, one that could easily land as the fight of the decade.

It could happen next year, in the latter part perhaps, and yet, again, this early, how the Big Apple is to be divided between the two camps is the big question.

Mayweather, it seems, will ask for a bigger share if and when negotiations for a Pacquiao fight begins. And Bob Arum of Top Rank will certainly look the other way in favor of Pacquiao.

Arum, a couple of months back, described Mayweather as “delusional” if the comebacking ex-pound-for-pound champion who beat a smaller Juan Manuel Marquez thinks he deserves more than Pacquiao.

Mayweather’s adviser, Frank Ellerbe, had hinted that they won’t take a 50-50 split.

“It seems like there’s a lot of things working against this fight ever happening,” Pacquiao’s chief trainer, Freddie Roach, told Lance Pugmire of the Los Angeles Times yesterday.

“It makes sense. It’d be a great fight, but it seems there’s a lot of distractions around it. I don’t think it’s going to happen,” said Roach.

While ticket sales for the Mayweather-Marquez fight weren’t as great, Golden Boy’s Richard Schaefer and Team Mayweather, according to the LA Times, are looking at a million pay-per-view buys.

Something that would exceed the 900,000 buys for the Pacquiao-Ricky Hatton fight last May.

“Floyd will have all the leverage if that’s the number. Love him or hate him, he’s the biggest name in the sport, and the biggest revenue stream doesn’t come from the Philippines. The US is the capital of boxing, and Floyd Mayweather is the president of the capital,” Schaefer was quoted as saying.

“If Arum says 50-50 is fair, it probably isn’t,” Schaefer also said.

[BrokenArrow]

Dapat wag pumayag si Pacquiao kung lamang si Mayweather sa hatian. Si Pacquiao ang sikat ngayon di si Mayweather

[royginald]

Ang hirap hindi kampihan ang ating kababayan.. pero mahirap ding i-sawalang bahala ang galing ni Mayweather..

 

but if fate allows them to fight ...PACMAN pa rin ako.. (or TAYO!)

 

 

. . .

[federicuger]

The list provided by and compiled by Ring Magazine (thering-online.com) are listed from Top placement to the 10th placement. You can Check out the Top fighters for each division for the period ending September 20, 2009.

 

For Period Ended September 20, 2009

POUND-FOR-POUND Top 10

1. MANNY PACQUIAO

JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT

2. FLOYD MAYWEATHER

WELTERWEIGHT

3. SHANE MOSLEY

WELTERWEIGHT

4. BERNARD HOPKINS

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT

5. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ

LIGHTWEIGHT

6. ISRAEL VAZQUEZ

FEATHERWEIGHT

7. RAFAEL MARQUEZ

FEATHERWEIGHT

8. NONITO DONAIRE

JUNIOR BANTAMWEIGHT

9. MIGUEL COTTO

WELTERWEIGHT

10. CELESTINO CABALLERO

JUNIOR FEATHERWEIGHT.

Edited September 22, 2009 by federicuger

[RED2018]

Am sure at the back of Roach's mind. he sees Mayweather a tough nut to crack for Pacman. But true to his reputation, he sure can devise plans to beat the Weightcheater...

 

It's a blessing in disguise that Mayweather was able to display what ha can do to a lighter opponent. But Pacman is totally a different 'animal' a mortal Mayweather will face.

 

Ingat lang Pacman!!!