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Nandyan ka pala fair-weathered fan. Haha! At least I don't go on posting on the thread that I'm certain that SG will win against Qatar. Tumpak talaga yung sabi mo na mananalo Philippines sa Qatar.

what is the difference between claiming certainty of a 5th place finish as against certainty of getting a medal? Mas OFF pa nga yan prediction mo ... kung ako sablay, hamak naman na major major sablay yang iyo. Tapos proud na proud ka pa.

ganun talaga bro, admittedly mali ang prediction kong 5th place finish but sinabi ko sa umpisa na mahihirapan silang magkamedalya. So paano ako naging fair weather? Wala naman inconsistency dun. Ang alam kong fair weather ay un pabago-bago ng saloobin sa team na Gilas. Un balimbing ba.

Nagtaka nga ako bakit from we COULD GET a medal biglang HOPING ka na lang for 5th place. Nawalan ka ata ng kumpiyansa bigla sa team mo (este, 2nd favorite pala after POWERADE)after hindi sila nakapasok sa medal round. Nilaglag mo bigla!!! To think the odd of getting a medal is much lower than a 5th place finsih since natambakan na natin ang Qatar. Just to show na you lost confidence on this team in the end.

Well, am not surprise at all, dati halos makipagpatayan ka din sa Powerade kasi mas magaling kamo ito (compared sa Gilas) diba and nun tinalo ito ng Gilas (este, tinambakan pala) suddenly you sing a lot of praises for this team.

So may track record na yan ginagawa mo Mr Fair Weather at wag mo na ibintang sa iba pa yan. Am sure as always will still hear a lot from you. But I rest my case, your record speaks for itself

May sinabi ba kong we will certainly win against Iran? Haha! I said I believe we could get a medal but I didn't say we would certainly win against Iran.

Ganun ba? So where is the medal you're talking about? Kaya pala nun nalaglag sa medal round biglang hoping ka na lang even for a 5th place finish Mr Fair Weather.

if that being the case, ano pakialam natin kung saan ubusin ni MVP ang pera nya?

correct ka diyan ...

matanong ko lang

 

ung smart-gilas ba publicly funded?

Sponsored ng SMART ito, si MVP ninong. So sa tinging ko privately funded ito hindi via SBP. Although we all know that the seed money ng SBP galig din kay MVP

May sinabi ba kong we will certainly win against Iran? Haha! I said I believe we could get a medal but I didn't say we would certainly win against Iran.

What else is new??? PALUSOT!!! Amen to that.

It is definitely a big blow but just like Toroman, I believe we could get a medal.

Not sure if Haddadi will play but if he doesn't, SG has a big chance of beating Iran. Haddadi ga ve Yi fits in the FIBA-Asia finals last time.

I didn't see it. You made that post so you should know what you put there.

Sir eto po un sinabi ninyo na na quote ni rooster ... para di ka na mahirapan sa paghahanap.

So from believing that we could get a medal it finally ended up hoping for a 5th place right? That is per your word what you call a fair weather fan. Un napagtatalo na kasi ang Gilas biglang nagbago pananaw mo.

I could have been wrong in my prediction that we will end up 5th ...i won't give excuses, but at least in the end despite all the team's inconsistent performance during the tournament I still end up optimist for this team.

Anyway, there goes the 2010 Asian Games and we look forward to the future. I believe this tourney is already a guage of our team. Let us lower our expectation and hope for the best. As long as we know we've given our best despite all the limitations we have then we should all be proud win or lose.

Actually hats off to Asi, we've seen a lot of Pro's turning down invitation to play for the national team. But si Asi pa mismo nag volunteer even if he could have opted not to.

Sa NBA nakikita marami rin players na very selective sa pagsali sa international tournaments. Just look at the likes of Kobe, LBJ, D-Wade and the rest of the members of the last Team USA Olympic champion squad. Lahat sila hindi naglaro for the World Championship pero isa-isa na nagpapahiwatig ng intention na maglaro sa susunod na Olympics.

Can you show me the post wherein I said we can win against Iran?

refer to post 1302 ... i just saw it there

where to after the asian games? i believe that is the question that must be answered if phl is to beat teams like china, south korea and iran to qualify for the 2012 london olympics.

don't forget suki na din natin ang Lebanon who did not join the tournament. plus the fact that we have to find ways on how to consistently bag winnable games against teams likes of Japan and the rest of the field.

Yes bilog ang bola, but I like the odds in Gilas favor. If you think we can win against Iran the more you should be confident now don't you think?

I won't hope for a 5th place, I am certain they will against QATAR.

I agree with your observation Amante. Our team would probably live and die with the guards and the SFs. I have the same thinking from the start. Not to say these group of young gun are not good, they are. But if they are the best that we can assemble and send to tournaments, then we got to live by it and find ways to compete despite whatever handicaps.

Speculative pa rin ba pards? hehehe ... oks lang un. Just shows I don't speculate as others accuse me of. Seriously, I think may basis naman siguro. Alam naman natin na suportado ng both House ang panukalang ito. Minadali nga nila ito. Had Malacanang certify it as urgent, lulusot agad ito and it will now fall on the hands of the president. Kung tututulan niya siya naman ang magmumukang masama. If he will not act on it, then in 30 days it automatically becomes a law.

BTW also read it from ABS-CBN site un same news and it was indicated there that according to Zubiri from an unimpeacheable source niya daw galing un. So maybe, hindi rin siya nagspeculate. But that's his battle.

Ok. At least now, you're backing up your post with an article however you couldn't defend your Hollinger article.

Yeah right ...galing mong kumambiyo

I do really back-up all my post. Am not the type of person who just speculate or argues via "what ifs" then gives a lot of consolation (alibi) afterwards. back reading all your post in this thread just makes me laugh as we've seen the result (not because Gilas lost but in the end it was proven all your insinuations are all wrong). Tigas ng ulo mo kasi, pinagpipilitan mo lagi tama ang analysis/opinion mo. Remember when you said our guards can match-up well with the rest of asia because maganda ang shooting nila and speed advantage? I said then maliit ang mga guards natin at mahihirapan yan maka score pag malalaki at kasingbilis na nila ang bumantay sa kanila. Isn't it what Tiu said regarding the game against S. Korea? Nahirapan silang umiskor sa labas so they went to Asi inside.

So before you put color again to my post, as I said ang Pinoy kakampi sa Pinoy matalo't manalo. Pero hindi masama magsabi ng katotohanan kahit na hindi pabor ito sa team mo. Hindi po masama ang constructive critisisms kasi you just want to point out where the weakness are and actually hoping for an improvement. Ang sa punto mo naman, blinded ka sa lahat ng nega mapakita mo lang maka-Gilas ka. I could just shake my head in disbelief when you're calling out a fair weather gilas fan out. Wag na tayo maglokohan ... alam naman natin kung sino-sino tayo talaga. Alam din natin na kung sino ang pabor sa Powerade at sino ang pabor sa Gilas magmula pa sa simula. Iyon isa kasi nagsabi na mas malakas ang players ng Powerade kaya kontra Gilas at un naman isa pabor sa Gilas kahit matalo pa ito kasi ito ang nararapat programa. Sa huli sino ba ang bumalimbing at all praises sa Gilas?

BTW, why should I defend Hollinger,am I his keeper? As to what he wrote, I guess it does not take a lot of common sense to understand how he came up with the rankings. In fact the guy did lay down his premises. It is really a matter of NOT WANTING to open up your mind to understand what he already said there because it counters your preference. Otherwise, you'll be the first to quote him. As I said there, napakahabang usapan na ang nangyari tungkol diyan, why can't you get over it?

^^^Another nuisance post ...I don't know if one is just too ignorant of the current events.

“We passed this for pride and glory. We in the Senate have done our job but they (Malacañang) didn’t want to certify their first bill as one of naturalization,” Zubiri said.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=620813&publicationSubCategoryId=69

I believe ang haba na ng discussion about this before, uulitin na naman ba ulit para magsara ang thread na ito?

Ganito lang yan, if the number of NBA Titles won determines the best franchise, then obviously to determine who the NBA's best player of all time is should be based on MVPs won. Kareem has 6, MJ and Russel both 5. How come MJ is acknowledged as the best NBA player of all time? Obviously there are other factors considered. Further, in the voting for who the year's MVP would be, hindi naman paramihan lang ng 1st place votes diba. May puntos para sa 2nd place and 3rd place votes at kung sino ang mas madaming puntos un ang MVP. Madaling intindihin kung bubuksan ang pagiisip. Pero kung sagrado ka sa pagiisip na numero uno ang Boston, well so be it.

Tama ka, may pagkakataon ang Lakers na makuha ang isa pang titulo upang tumabla o di kaya'y mas higit sa isa upang umungos sa paramihan ng bilang ng kampeonato. Hindi mo rin ba naisip na may pagkakataon rin naman kayong makakuha ng mas maraming Conference titles para mahigitan din ang LA sa usaping ito? Hindi po ba may pagkakataon din kayong pakontiin ang inyong losing season kung ikukumpara sa LA? Ito'y argumento mo at ibinalik ko lang naman ang tanong kasi applicable naman.

Since pinaniniwalaan mo na lang din naman ang hater na nagsabing para sa kanya numero unong franchise ang celtics, I suppose naniniwala ka rin sa sinabi niyang magpakasaya na kayo coz it won't take long for LA to get another championship and when that happens LA na ang numero uno coz LA got the tie breaker advantage. Ako tanggap ko yan. Siguro naman tanggap mo rin ang kanyang pinagsasabi kay KG? Otherwise, tama si Jopoc, just because his argument is favorable to you then his opinion becomes the benchmark for this argument. But otherwise, he is just another pain in the ass for you and your Celtics.

Douthit's naturalization papers released shortly before the team left for China, not sure, but I think na-issua-han na din sya ng passport as well.

 

Kaya lang nde nakasali siya (i believe) is nde sya napalista sa original list na submit ng SBP to the organizers.

I believe while COngress has pass the bill to naturalize Marcus, this have not been signed by the President since he does not want his first bill to be the naturalization of a basketball player.

Mukang nawala yung fair-weathered fan nung natalo sa Sokor. Great game by Asi against the Koreans. It was a valiant stand even though SG was undermanned. May FIBA-Asia naman next year and this will give them enough time to jell with each other. Hopefully, hindi na sila undermanned come the FIBA-Asia.

Matanong ko lang sir Eljuego, kung concern mo mag jell ang team na ito, bakit pinaboran mo ang pagsali sa last minute pa ng 3 PBA players samantalang alam natin makakasira ito sa chemistry o di kaya masasabing di sila nakapag-jell agad sa team. It was pointed out nun issue din about the non inclusion of James Yap na pinanghinayangan mo diba.

Why can't some people accept reality? Lahat tayo Pilipino, sino ba ayaw manalo ang Gilas. Let's be a good sport, aminin natin kung nasaan na ang kapasidad natin ngayon sa larangan ng basketball.

Unfortunately some people tends to be irrationally sentimental about the team and project as if anything is within reach pero pag natalo sandamukal na excuses. May kakilala akong ganyan na dating die hard supporter ng Powerade pero Gilas na kasi hindi niya inaasahan na hindi magkakatotoo un gusto niyang mangyari na Powerade - All Pro pa rin ang magrepresent sa Pinas. Am sure follower of this thread knows who the person is. Kilala mo ba siya?

Good point Amante ...

In hindsight, if my memory serves me right Miller was able to get pass Arwind for the drive. Sadyang malaki lang si Arwind kaya naabutan pa rin from behind.

I agree its a winnable game if only the Kings were able to adjust in either the last defensive or offensive play. Pero kahit natalo, personally am still satisfied na rin. I still think SMB had the match-up advantage over the Gin Kings kasi.

Diverting from the subject. Explain to me how the Suns could be better than the Pistons and Rockets. Also, elaborate how the Spurs could rank higher than the Bulls. Or wala ka naman masabi? I'm betting on the latter. Tsk tsk. Another one bites the dust. I rest my case.

Seek and you shall find ... I think the writer did explain why do I have to say more since this is OT.

At least I showed a Celtic hater saying that the Celtics are the greatest team of all-time. The bottomline is championships. Magpakita ka naman ng article na isang Laker hater saying that the Lakers are the greatest of all-time. At least walang bias yun diba. Yung pinakita ko walang bias kasi nga Celtic hater sya.

 

By the way, explain to me how the Spurs could be better than the Bulls when the Bulls have 6 and the Spurs only have 4?

 

Can you also explain how the Suns which have a big fat egg in their trophy case could be better than the Pistons which has 3 and the Rockets which has 2 championships?

curiously a guy named megalodon also have the same queries ... what a co-incidence AGAIN .

Well after more than a year of waiting finally an article that shows otherwise ... from a LAKER fan at that. In due time I will give in to your request.

I disagree. Titles alone surely Boston is it. But overall performance including consistency year-in and out. Its got to be the LAKERS.

Problem is just because of being 1 title up people claim Boston to be the greatest franchise despite the fact that overall they have more losing season than the suppopsed 2nd running Lakers. Well this is the end all be all of all argument pertaining to the claim to greatness.

I recall a similar argument then involving another article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FranchiseRankings-Intro

Just wondering ... bakit nga ba kailangan mag hold off against an opponent if in the first place there is no chance of beating that team?

speaking of stressing the obvious from someone thinking along that line

^^^ Am surprise to hear na OBVIOUS na ngayon na underdog ang Pinas kontra SOKORS. Ikaw na rin nagsabi kayang talunin ang Iran ngunit tinago lang natin ang laro para sa paghaharap sa finals. That means you should be confident to think that Gilas will defeat all the teams going into the finals in a re-match against Iran.

Both Japeth and Sol have been injured since day 1 of the tournament ... Kung sa tingin mo kayang talunin ang Iran (assuming they didn't hold off as what you claim )then hindi dapat underdog ang Pinas sa SOKORS diba. Nothing has changed diba.

Am just a REALISTIC FAN of Gilas not really fair weather as you said. Alam ko saan ako lalagay at I don't make excuses pag mali ang punto de vista ko.

Against SKOR medyo dehado pa rin ang Gilas pero bilog ang bola ... LABAN lang ng LABAN!!!

Kita mo naman un Qatar tinalo ang Japan na tumalo sa Pinas na tinalo naman ang Iran na tumalo sa Qatar at Gilas.

Baka kasi maisipan mo na naman na bulungan si Coach na itago muna ang laro tulad ng sinabi mo sa laro nila sa Iran

BGK fan po ako....but lets call a spade a spade

 

twice naglaban, pareho naging resulta which is talo

the only thing na ipinakita ng BGK kagabi is kaya nilang talunin any team in the PBA except SMB, at least for now.

 

Jong Uichico should go back to drawing that play on Miller, walang screens at na-isolate si Miller one on one with a much bigger defender. Parang replay talaga ito ng unang laban

 

 

i beg to disagree, but i think their defense held well against SMB's offense

 

palagay ko its SMB's defense that did the game for BGK last night

there were 3 consecutive possessions na inabutan ng shotclock ang BGK

and if i recall it right, nasundan pa ng at least dalawa pa

not to mention....how many shots were blocked

Overall the Kings defense was ok. I was referring to the last ball possession of the beermen ...Wilson played good d on Washington but we were not able to complete the play by getting the rebound. As such, washington got the offensive board and the putback for the go ahead basket. We could have put in a bigger frontline for a crucial defensive play. Considering their height advantage and being a crucial play of the game you gotta think that the Beermen will play high percentage ball by playing their half-court game and take it strong to the hoop.