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Posted 01 February 2018 - 08:03 PM

How America is losing the battle for the South China Sea

Some optimists have pointed to small developments—such as China this year permitting Filipino and Vietnamese fishing around Scarborough Shoal for the first time since 2012—as encouraging signs that the Hague’s ruling is having a positive effect on the South China Sea.

Most observers see it much differently. With the U.S. government focused on North Korea, China this summer has made substantial progress in further establishing de facto control over most of the South China Sea.

Aside from an uptick in U.S. Navy freedom-of-navigation operations in the South China Sea, the administration seems uninterested in reinforcing international law.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 01:09 PM

Salamat Duterte at halos makumpleto na ang structure ng China sa South China Sea.

The structures were there already before Duterte was elected as President.

 

The past president stood by while the structures were being built. He was not able to do anything. 

 

Even the World Power USA was not able to do anything to stop the construction.

 

If all the leaders in the past were no able to stop it, what do you suggest we do now?



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Posted 06 February 2018 - 02:32 PM

In the past we at least filed diplomatic protests. This one is just handling it over without a fight. 

 

What does it do? It prevents China's actions from being legitimate even if we are not able to stop it from occurring.



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Posted 06 February 2018 - 03:51 PM

In the past we at least filed diplomatic protests. This one is just handling it over without a fight. 

 

What does it do? It prevents China's actions from being legitimate even if we are not able to stop it from occurring.

That's precisely what we're doing now. Aren't we?



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Posted 06 February 2018 - 04:35 PM

That's precisely what we're doing now. Aren't we?

 

Not now in Duterte's time as far as I know.



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Posted 06 February 2018 - 06:48 PM

 

Not now in Duterte's time as far as I know.

 

Yes, as far as you know. But better look closely at what our DND and DFA have been doing.

 

Our policy of handling territorial conflict through diplomatic means has not changed. It's just that because our diplomatic relations with China is more cordial now compared to BS Aquino's term, there are now less diplomatic protests and more concessions given.

 

This is against USA's liking. They want us to be more belligerent to China. 

 

To our government's credit, we are silently building up our defense capability in order to assert our sovereignty in the future. 

 

Harry Roque, the spokesperson, has a cryptic statement: 

"...If the Aquino administration was not able to do anything about these artificial islands, what do they want us to do? We cannot declare war -- not only is it illegal... but it's also because it's impossible for us to declare war at this point..."


Edited by camiar, 06 February 2018 - 06:49 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 07:30 PM

Wow. Great logic.

Overwhelmed?

 

Wala sa hulog ang sagot mo....

 

 

What do you suggest the government do?



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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:57 PM

For one, Id like them to send Duterte on a Jet Ski and plant the Philippine flag on our West Philippine Sea islands.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:32 PM

For one, Id like them to send Duterte on a Jet Ski and plant the Philippine flag on our West Philippine Sea islands.

Are you and DDSfanatic the same person?



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 02:35 AM

The structures were there already before Duterte was elected as President.

 

 

True

 

The past president stood by while the structures were being built. He was not able to do anything. 

 

 

False.  At least Pnoy had the balls to fight for our sovereignty and take China to court winning that decision at the Hague.   It didn't make China leave, but it was a start to the diplomatic protests.

 

Even the World Power USA was not able to do anything to stop the construction.

 

 

The US was at least challenging China's claims by sailing near these disputed shoals and asserting freedom of navigation.  They were our friends. They were helping and supporting our cause and we left them hanging when Duterte suddenly gets verbal diarrhea and says "the US has lost... I will be forever indebted to China"  or something like that.

 

If all the leaders in the past were no able to stop it, what do you suggest we do now?

 

For starters, Digong can shut his trap and stop saying s@%t like "we cannot beat China".  What a f#&king pussy!  If you were a little girl and this big dude was trying to rape you, do you just lay down there and let him do anything to you saying to yourself "I cannot beat you".  You have to fight!  Not necessarily by taking up arms but there are many other diplomatic protests we could've done.  For starters he should've listened to the experts like Justice Carpio.  Carpio had many suggestions.  Staying silent was the worst thing we could've done and that's exactly what Digong did.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 02:46 AM

 

Yes, as far as you know. But better look closely at what our DND and DFA have been doing.

 

Our policy of handling territorial conflict through diplomatic means has not changed. It's just that because our diplomatic relations with China is more cordial now compared to BS Aquino's term, there are now less diplomatic protests and more concessions given.

 

This is against USA's liking. They want us to be more belligerent to China. 

 

To our government's credit, we are silently building up our defense capability in order to assert our sovereignty in the future. 

 

Harry Roque, the spokesperson, has a cryptic statement: 

"...If the Aquino administration was not able to do anything about these artificial islands, what do they want us to do? We cannot declare war -- not only is it illegal... but it's also because it's impossible for us to declare war at this point..."

 

Of course China is more cordial to us now.  We're bending over and taking it in the ass while China has her way with us as far as the South China Sea is concerned.  And we're being quiet like a good little girl.  

 

This sorry ass administration is so stupid that it thinks that war is the only other option on the table.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 06:13 AM

Are you and DDSfanatic the same person?


Why? Was DDSFanatic the only person Duterte said those words to?

As far as I know that was Duterte’s reply to a question during the presidential campaign, eh. Millions of other Filipinos were bound to have heard the same thing.

So he likes to over-promise and under-deliver, just like any trapo (this one among other things). He also said pag lumabas sa UN court that the China’s claim is invalid, then he will defend it... legal na yan eh, sabi niya. 2 years on ano follow up action nya?

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 06:20 AM

Our policy of handling territorial conflict through diplomatic means has not changed. It's just that because our diplomatic relations with China is more cordial now compared to BS Aquino's term, there are now less diplomatic protests and more concessions given.
 
To our government's credit, we are silently building up our defense capability in order to assert our sovereignty in the future


See, we can’t assert our sovereignty (in the future kuno) anymore if there’s no legal framework to work with. By ignoring the UNCLOS decision and giving China ‘more concessions’, we are technically making their claims legal. Kaya ka nag di diplomatic protest para in the future may paper trail ka kumbaga to assert your claim. Eh kung wala, ano na? Pinky swear na lang lagi?

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 08:27 AM

Well pinoy in general are suckers for action heroes ... yun mala fpj ang dating kasama yun dialogue. Parang si erap lang yan yun character sa pelikuka kala ng tao ganun din siya sa totoong buhay na ipaglalaban. Na lahat ng problema kaya malutas sa murahan at sapakan.

Kaya sa iba ang tapang at ang galing ni digong nun sinabi niya na mag jet ski siya to china by himself para ilagay bandera ng pinas at ipaglaban karapatan natin. Di na raw siya magsama ng sundalo para siya lang if ever ang mapatay tutal matanda na siya. Diyan pa lang alam ko na nagkakalokohan na.

Edited by rooster69ph, 07 February 2018 - 08:31 AM.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 10:46 AM

Duterte haters are stuck to his verbatim pronouncements. 

 

Those who know better, just watch the actions, not the words. As the saying goes, "Don't sweat the small stuff."

 

Ang nagpipyesta lang naman sa so-called "fentanyl remarks" ni Duterte ay yung mga clueless haters. Me effect ba sa general public ang haters' reactions? Waley. Sino ngayon ang "uto-uto"? Yung nagre-react sa statements? o yung smile-and-wait-for-the-action mode lang?

 

As Rooster say, Pinoys are suckers for action heroes.

 

Duterte, as a politician, knows that. He's playing the part whenever it suits his purpose. Wala na kayong magagawa dyan. Your "resistance" is futile.


Edited by camiar, 07 February 2018 - 10:47 AM.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 11:30 AM

Duterte supporters flowchart response:

 

"Hindi niya sinabi yun,

pero kung sinabi niya man hindi niya sinasadya sabihin yun,

pero kung sinadya man niya, hindi mo lang siya naintindihan,

pero kung naintindihan mo naman, maliit na bagay lang yun,

ngunit kung hindi maliit na bagay naman,

eh may mas malala pa nga pinagsasabi yun kalaban."



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 01:14 PM

Duterte haters are stuck to his verbatim pronouncements. 

 

Those who know better, just watch the actions, not the words. As the saying goes, "Don't sweat the small stuff."

 

Ang nagpipyesta lang naman sa so-called "fentanyl remarks" ni Duterte ay yung mga clueless haters. Me effect ba sa general public ang haters' reactions? Waley. Sino ngayon ang "uto-uto"? Yung nagre-react sa statements? o yung smile-and-wait-for-the-action mode lang?

 

As Rooster say, Pinoys are suckers for action heroes.

 

Duterte, as a politician, knows that. He's playing the part whenever it suits his purpose. Wala na kayong magagawa dyan. Your "resistance" is futile.

 

 

Duterte supporters flowchart response:

 

"Hindi niya sinabi yun,

pero kung sinabi niya man hindi niya sinasadya sabihin yun,

pero kung sinadya man niya, hindi mo lang siya naintindihan,

pero kung naintindihan mo naman, maliit na bagay lang yun,

ngunit kung hindi maliit na bagay naman,

eh may mas malala pa nga pinagsasabi yun kalaban."

^^^ so, sino pa rin ang uto-uto?

 

yung react ng react? o yung deadma lang?



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Posted 23 May 2018 - 01:17 AM

Yes, as far as you know. But better look closely at what our DND and DFA have been doing.
 
Our policy of handling territorial conflict through diplomatic means has not changed. It's just that because our diplomatic relations with China is more cordial now compared to BS Aquino's term, there are now less diplomatic protests and more concessions given.
 
This is against USA's liking. They want us to be more belligerent to China. 
 
To our government's credit, we are silently building up our defense capability in order to assert our sovereignty in the future. 
 
Harry Roque, the spokesperson, has a cryptic statement: "...If the Aquino administration was not able to do anything about these artificial islands, what do they want us to do? We cannot declare war -- not only is it illegal... but it's also because it's impossible for us to declare war at this point..."

PNoy and his occasionaly inept administration may leave a lot to be desired, but you talk as if the following didn't happen under the past admin's watch:

1.) Sent the BRP Del Pilar to face off with the Chinese at Scarborough Shoal back in 2012.
2.) Accelerated the AFP Modernization Program, procuring badly needed hardware
3.) Filed a case against China at the Permanent Court of Arbitration
4.) Strengthened military and economic ties with US and other friendly nations

Duterte and his supremely corrupt regime has put our country in a quandary, and only a fool would think that we can parley our "cordial" relationship with China for what is essentially ours to begin with. What exactly has this admin done over this so far?

1.) Set aside the arbitral ruling in favor of predatory Chinesee loans, business deals, and other economic concessions
2.) Slashed the AFP Modernization Horizon 2 budget by more than half.
3.) Failed to bring up the Spratlys issue with ASEAN despite numerous opportunities to do so.
4.) Soured the country's relationship with the US (a treaty ally) and other friendly nations.
5.) Failed to lodge any meaningful diplomatic protest against China's militarization of the WPS.

This defeatist attitude the current admin adopted not only puts our country in a bad position right now, but also puts neighboring countries at serious risk. Let's not forget that our kids and grandkids could potentially miss out on a lot of natural resources that they may need to pay off the disadvantageous loans this admin secured from China.

The whole country is now living under the shadow of Chinese bombers, and you're still thinking that everything is peachy. Wow. I don't know how you've been made to believe that appeasement is the way to go, but trust me, the last time appeasement was done, it led to WW2.

Edited by moneyball, 23 May 2018 - 01:21 AM.


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Posted 23 May 2018 - 07:42 AM

To Duterte and his minion followers there are only two outcomes to this issue: War and subservience.

Walang diplomacy kasi hindi naman sila marunong nun.

Tignan mo magiging retort nila lagi “eh kung kayo na lang sumabak?” Or my current favorite from Duterte himself: “(paraphrasing) sige giyerahin natin sila, pero yun nasa front lines yun mga kritiko ko, ako nasa likod tapos iiwan ko sila.”

One big coward, malayo sa jetski proclamation na “patayin nila ako kung gusto nila, basta amin ito by law”

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 08:33 AM

^^^ reality bites




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