Supplements - to Take or Not to Take?

[topeggs]

As for creatine products, I always prefer trusted brands.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir Oly, thinking of buying MRI CE2 Platinum creatine. GNC sell this one. Okay ba ito? thanks.

[Olympus]

i now have both HH and whey. I need your advice guys kung paano ang interval ng pag inom nito pareho. should i take both at the same time, etc?

 

HH pre whey post

 

Sir Oly, thinking of buying MRI CE2 Platinum creatine. GNC sell this one. Okay ba ito? thanks.

 

wag sa GNC mahal dun cash and carry or philsupplements.com are better alternatives

[hardbodyz]

Prolab is not a gnc product. GNC is a store.

 

I always choose ultimate nutrition and optimum for my supplements

 

 

ooh yup..but wat i mean GNC (international/worldwide) store nga, prolab ay isa sa mga product na binebenta rin nila at recommended....thanks any way....

Edited March 30, 2009 by hardbodyz

[Pipe]

i have a question and i would appreciate any input:

 

is it okay to take low fat milk with meal replacement with banana in between meals?

would it better if i use water rather than low fat milk?

i'm eating fruits on a regular basis and naisip ko kung puwedeng i-incorporate yung meal replacement shake.

 

thanks mga idol

Edited March 31, 2009 by Pipe

[Olympus]

i have a question and i would appreciate any input:

 

is it okay to take low fat milk with meal replacement with banana in between meals?

would it better if i use water rather than low fat milk?

i'm eating fruits on a regular basis and naisip ko kung puwedeng i-incorporate yung meal replacement shake.

 

thanks mga idol

 

Well what are you tying to achieve to begin with??

 

for MRPs, what I mix would depend on my goals.

 

I''m trying to gain size, I add more calories, lean out, less calories

[Pipe]

thanks for the quick reply chief oly

 

i just want to trim some tummy bulge..

so, i'd take less calories, itutuloy ko pa ba ang milk with MRP's in between meals?

or instead of milk, water nalang?

 

 

though nag 5-6 meals ako throughout the day, somehow, i still feel hungry minutes after eating..

any tip to feel more satisfied?

 

 

thanks again

Edited March 31, 2009 by Pipe

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thanks for the quick reply chief oly

 

i just want to trim some tummy bulge..

so, i'd take less calories, itutuloy ko pa ba ang milk with MRP's in between meals?

or instead of milk, water nalang?

 

 

though nag 5-6 meals ako throughout the day, somehow, i still feel hungry minutes after eating..

any tip to feel more satisfied?

 

 

thanks again

 

If you wanna trim your bulge, I'd suggest you also check into your other meals during the day, try adding psyllium fiber in your MRP, that would make you feel fuller faster.

[NihonJin]

drink water. sometimes thirst tells your mind that you are hungry.

 

get busy, ika nga ni Sean Paul.., so your mind will be occupied not thinking that you want to eat..,

[rockybrawler]

Optimum Nutrition Whey Protein. Double Chocolate of course. :thumbsupsmiley:

[Jacques]

Sir, I went out kanina to buy supplements and saw ON's Pro-Complex... bought 5lbs

I plan to take it 3 times (with breakfast, mid-day / post workout, before bedtime / post workout) a day on weekdays.

I also bought 5lbs. Casein, and plan to take it twice on weekends.

 

Is it ok? or do i have to take more? I usually take 2 scoops of whey per serving. pero sa Pro-Complex, 1 scoop lang siguro.

Oh, and what can you say about Mirrus Creatine Ethyl Ester? It's kinda cheap...

Now why would you want to take supplements during meal times? Why wouldn't you eat real food instead during meals? You have a lot of choices. Fish, Eggs, Lean cuts of beef, chicken and etc. I think it would be better to take your whey between meals and maybe pre and post workout. Cassein would be best to use before sleep since it's digested slowly.

[Jacques]

Sorry to butt in, I just need some opinion about my plan to take NO XPLODE as a pre-workout supplement and Hydroxycut as my post-workout. my goal is basically to gain more muscle mass by using NO XPLODE (have more pump on the weights) and at the same time lose some fat by taking Hydroxycut. would this combination be effective as far as my goal is concerned? Thanks in advance!

Dude, suicide yan! NO Xplode contains more than enough caffein to jack you up. And hydroxycut hardcore after your workout? Caffein and stimulant overload yan. You may have some blood pressure issues if you do that. If you really have to stack them, I suggest you take the first serving of HH upon waking up (before breakfast), next serving of HH 5-6 hours after (early afternoon). If you work out some time in the evening, I think you can get away with a serving of NO Explode if the last serving of HH was done at least 3-4 hours ago. I will never, take a thermogenic supplement right after working out. I believe that this approach would hinder the recovery process since taking stimulants after working out would prolong the elevated heart rate and restlessness.

 

And by the way, I don't think NO Xplode is an effective muscle builder. Yes, to some the energy kick it gives and the pump it produces may be euphoric to the lifter. However, this doesn't equate to actual muscle growth. I've always find NO supplements as a "motivating" supplement would never consider it as a foundation for nutritional support.

[Pipe]

If you're trying to lean out, I strongly advice you let go of the milk consumption. You may have the option of taking low fat/skimmed variants but fact is, milk sugar in the form of lactose would make it hard for you to cut on unnecesarry carbs.

 

If you wanna trim your bulge, I'd suggest you also check into your other meals during the day, try adding psyllium fiber in your MRP, that would make you feel fuller faster.

 

i'll let go of the milk and mix mrp with water (plus psyllium fiber) and see what happens..

and yes, i've been checking the food that i eat, esp during meal time..

 

i've been doing alot of backreading and taking note of your advices.

so many thanks to the both of you!

[wildnutzz]

Now why would you want to take supplements during meal times? Why wouldn't you eat real food instead during meals? You have a lot of choices. Fish, Eggs, Lean cuts of beef, chicken and etc. I think it would be better to take your whey between meals and maybe pre and post workout. Cassein would be best to use before sleep since it's digested slowly.

 

i'm sorry sir, may i stress that i am relatively new at this kaya i ask a lot of questions. wag ka namang magalit... joke lang!

for taking supplements with meals, sorry -- i asked around and mali nga, my bad i never intended it to be meal replacements... just with meals. pero mali nga...

yung sa meals naman, lagi nga kasi akong nasa labas kaya i just eat whatever is available... moderately of course

 

i have casein at home, and i take it on weekends instead of pro-complex.

I now take pro-complex early morning before breakfast, before workout, then after workout.

bibili pa lang ako ng casein for the office. pag nakabili na ako, i plan to them this way...

 

pro complex before breakfast, pro complex before workout, casein after workout.

 

pero may nagsabi sa akin na i should take pro-complex with casein mid-day, then casein din after workout. (workout is usually 9pm-11:30pm)

 

if you have a better suggestion how i could insert casein, please feel free to post.

 

i am 5'8" and 182lbs.

 

 

 

oh.. and i took your advise and got rid of the milk. thanks!

Edited April 1, 2009 by wildnutzz

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i'm sorry sir, may i stress that i am relatively new at this kaya i ask a lot of questions. wag ka namang magalit... joke lang!

for taking supplements with meals, sorry -- i asked around and mali nga, my bad i never intended it to be meal replacements... just with meals. pero mali nga...

yung sa meals naman, lagi nga kasi akong nasa labas kaya i just eat whatever is available... moderately of course

 

i have casein at home, and i take it on weekends instead of pro-complex.

I now take pro-complex early morning before breakfast, before workout, then after workout.

bibili pa lang ako ng casein for the office. pag nakabili na ako, i plan to them this way...

 

pro complex before breakfast, pro complex before workout, casein after workout.

 

pero may nagsabi sa akin na i should take pro-complex with casein mid-day, then casein din after workout. (workout is usually 9pm-11:30pm)

 

if you have a better suggestion how i could insert casein, please feel free to post.

 

i am 5'8" and 182lbs.

 

 

 

oh.. and i took your advise and got rid of the milk. thanks!

 

Bro relax from what I see nagmamadali ka. Now, let's take it easy and get your supplementation in check.

 

Since you say you have pro complex and casein, here's what I'd do

 

pro complex first meal and after working out.

 

before bed, casein.

 

Don't take protein before working out since it may dehydrate you, use NO or caffeine pre-workout instead

[wildnutzz]

Bro relax from what I see nagmamadali ka. Now, let's take it easy and get your supplementation in check.

 

Since you say you have pro complex and casein, here's what I'd do

 

pro complex first meal and after working out.

 

before bed, casein.

 

Don't take protein before working out since it may dehydrate you, use NO or caffeine pre-workout instead

 

hehehe! di naman ako na-offend, sir. peace tayo sir jacques!

no pro-complex before workout?

hmmmm... so that explains why i can't lift my max shoulder press last night. i took pro-complex and crea before working out eh.

 

so pro-complex first thing in the morning, crea before workout, pro-complex after workout, casein before bed? tama ba?

how about on non working days, sir?

Edited April 1, 2009 by wildnutzz

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hehehe! di naman ako na-offend, sir. smile.gif peace tayo sir jacques! smile.gif

no pro-complex before workout?

hmmmm... so that explains why i can't lift my max shoulder press last night. i took pro-complex and crea before working out eh.

 

so pro-complex first thing in the morning, crea before workout, pro-complex after workout, casein before bed? tama ba?

how about on non working days, sir?

 

on non working days, pro-complex breakfast and casein before bed.

 

Teka, what does your regular eating habit look like to begin with? I also need to check into that

[wildnutzz]

on non working days, pro-complex breakfast and casein before bed.

 

Teka, what does your regular eating habit look like to begin with? I also need to check into that

 

rice person ako, sir.... usually with meat. can't avoid the oil, pero i try my darnest not to eat the fats.

sa bahay, usually veggies.

 

cafeterias / canteen food ako madalas, sir.

[Olympus]

rice person ako, sir.... usually with meat. can't avoid the oil, pero i try my darnest not to eat the fats.

sa bahay, usually veggies.

 

cafeterias / canteen food ako madalas, sir.

 

can you try to avoid them??

 

second, parang di ka taga eclipse, don't call me sir, save it for the elders or college professors.

[wildnutzz]

can you try to avoid them??

 

second, parang di ka taga eclipse, don't call me sir, save it for the elders or college professors.

 

hehehe! would you like me to call you by your real name then?

sorry, i don't think i can avoid canteen food... it the only ones available eh.

[Jacques]

hehehe! di naman ako na-offend, sir. peace tayo sir jacques!

no pro-complex before workout?

hmmmm... so that explains why i can't lift my max shoulder press last night. i took pro-complex and crea before working out eh.

 

so pro-complex first thing in the morning, crea before workout, pro-complex after workout, casein before bed? tama ba?

how about on non working days, sir?

I'm not mad Consider it as acontructive criticism. If I had it my way, I would take Pro-complex pre/post workout since it does contain whey proteins that enters the system very quickly. Creatine, I'va always adviced people to take it after working out and not before. The reason is that that's the best time to replenish creatine stores when you've actually used up/depleted creatine in the muscles. And since creatine doesn't really absorb that well, don't expect to feel an immediate "kick" when taking creatine before working out. Cassein digests really slow that's why it's ideal for bedtime where you can be sure of a sustained supply of amino acids in your body while you sleep.

 

With my earlier post, I'm just pointing out that you seem to be relying on protein supplements so much that you tend to stray away from the basics. Supplements will never be superior to real food because: 1.) Foods re more calorie dense, 2.) Food supplies us other minerals and vitamins to support our body 3.) Food keeps us satisfied for a longer period of time (this echoes food being calorie dense) since it takes longer to digest. Thus, also offers a sustained release of macro nutrients throughout the day.

[wildnutzz]

I'm not mad Consider it as acontructive criticism. If I had it my way, I would take Pro-complex pre/post workout since it does contain whey proteins that enters the system very quickly. Creatine, I'va always adviced people to take it after working out and not before. The reason is that that's the best time to replenish creatine stores when you've actually used up/depleted creatine in the muscles. And since creatine doesn't really absorb that well, don't expect to feel an immediate "kick" when taking creatine before working out. Cassein digests really slow that's why it's ideal for bedtime where you can be sure of a sustained supply of amino acids in your body while you sleep.

 

With my earlier post, I'm just pointing out that you seem to be relying on protein supplements so much that you tend to stray away from the basics. Supplements will never be superior to real food because: 1.) Foods re more calorie dense, 2.) Food supplies us other minerals and vitamins to support our body 3.) Food keeps us satisfied for a longer period of time (this echoes food being calorie dense) since it takes longer to digest. Thus, also offers a sustained release of macro nutrients throughout the day.

 

so how do you suggest i take my pro-complex, casein and crea? oh... i use dymatize's xpand caplets

do i stick with just taking casein on non-working days?

[Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14]

Dude, suicide yan! NO Xplode contains more than enough caffein to jack you up. And hydroxycut hardcore after your workout? Caffein and stimulant overload yan. You may have some blood pressure issues if you do that. If you really have to stack them, I suggest you take the first serving of HH upon waking up (before breakfast), next serving of HH 5-6 hours after (early afternoon). If you work out some time in the evening, I think you can get away with a serving of NO Explode if the last serving of HH was done at least 3-4 hours ago. I will never, take a thermogenic supplement right after working out. I believe that this approach would hinder the recovery process since taking stimulants after working out would prolong the elevated heart rate and restlessness.

 

And by the way, I don't think NO Xplode is an effective muscle builder. Yes, to some the energy kick it gives and the pump it produces may be euphoric to the lifter. However, this doesn't equate to actual muscle growth. I've always find NO supplements as a "motivating" supplement would never consider it as a foundation for nutritional support.

 

Yeah, thanks Jacques, I changed my mind anyway, decided to take NO XPLODE instead..but I just have to disagree with you about your opinion on NO XPLODE. for me this is THE best supplement out there for muscle-building. tho sobrang ingat ako now with the dosage I take since this is the first time I'm trying the product. 1 1/2 scoops lang muna ako for now, pag na tolerate ng body ko thats the time i'll increase the dosage.

[Olympus]

hehehe! would you like me to call you by your real name then?

sorry, i don't think i can avoid canteen food... it the only ones available eh.

 

coach nalang, you should know this since you are an eclipse member...

 

 

Hmmm that's why I suggest you buy a water heater or rice cooker so you can prepare your own food.

 

Yeah, thanks Jacques, I changed my mind anyway, decided to take NO XPLODE instead..but I just have to disagree with you about your opinion on NO XPLODE. for me this is THE best supplement out there for muscle-building. tho sobrang ingat ako now with the dosage I take since this is the first time I'm trying the product. 1 1/2 scoops lang muna ako for now, pag na tolerate ng body ko thats the time i'll increase the dosage.

 

Just my opinion..

 

NOX is not the best muscle builder, but it is one of the best energy boosters out there.

 

Besides, since its your first tie using it, the effects could still be placebo

[wildnutzz]

coach nalang, you should know this since you are an eclipse member...

 

 

Hmmm that's why I suggest you buy a water heater or rice cooker so you can prepare your own food.

 

i have to ask clearance on those pa from my boss... i try my darnest to watch what i eat tho..

[Jacques]

Yeah, thanks Jacques, I changed my mind anyway, decided to take NO XPLODE instead..but I just have to disagree with you about your opinion on NO XPLODE. for me this is THE best supplement out there for muscle-building. tho sobrang ingat ako now with the dosage I take since this is the first time I'm trying the product. 1 1/2 scoops lang muna ako for now, pag na tolerate ng body ko thats the time i'll increase the dosage.

For the sake of argument, I would want to elaborate further. There is no hard evidence that NO supplements are actually beneficial to actual muscle growth. In theory, dilation (increase of size) of the blood vessels may promote more nutrient uptake within the body's muscles. True enough some NO users would experience the "perpetual pump" during their workouts. However, this will never be a good guage whether you are actually gaining muscle. The concept behind NO supplements is very similar, if not derived from the concept behind Viagra. If you know how Viagra works then I'm sure that you're also aware that The Viagra induced "growth" and "stiffness" is only temporary and doesn't have a permanent/growth promoting effect that will leave you with a "bigger" member eventually. I hope you get what I mean.

 

Moreover, you build muscle outside of the gym while recovering and not during working out when you're actually inducing stress to your muscular and cardio-vascular system. Thus, I'm not really convinced that the "added" pump actually has a benefit in actual muscle gain.

 

NO Xplode is actually a mix of arginine (for NO), some forms of creatine and stimulants (caffein and etc.). Caffein will surely make you more energetic. As for creatine, I think you know what this stuff already can do. All in all, NO Explode was and has been marketed as a "pre-workout" tool. Something virtually not existent before. I personally have tried this product and found it great in increasing my training intensity. The pumps where great. But at the end of the day, I'd still prioritize post workout nutrition.

 

But hey, if this stuff works great for you then great! :thumbsupsmiley:

Edited April 2, 2009 by Jacques