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...and it had to happen here :lol:

well frankly, for a place that looks glitzy from the outside - with lots of wine - I'm disappointed to know that they have no idea how to store wine, when to take off wine from the shelves when it begins to look iffy etc..

For such an expensive place they should have some sort of a sommelier or someone knowledgeable about wines to talk wine with customers. This is the reason why I have to read up a lot about wines because I don't trust resto people here to recommend a certain wine. I have to go by what I know before I order wine and usually by the glass only, not by the bottle.

I have doubts about the wines they have in the restos here - aside from the ridiculously inflated price, do they know how to store it? I would assume that when they close off the resto at night and put out the electricity and the airconditioning, the wines will suffer in the intensely humid conditions inside a closed restaurant, especially in summer. How do they deal with that? I wouldn't pay a thousand bucks for something I am dubious about.

And also, for those wines you can order by the glass, how many days do they keep an opened bottle before they throw it away with any excess content? Also doubtful to order by the glass because you never know how long the bottle has been opened. Do they have a policy about opened bottles? By the way they mistreat stored wines, I doubt anybody in the resto knows when to discard opened bottles.

Just my thoughts...

 

 

exactly my thoughts bods! i had the same issue about the airconditioning and rise and fall of temperature. that is why there are just a few places where i am confident about ordering a bottle of wine! barcino's is one place where the wine is good!!! (i think they ought to give me discounts at the rate i mention their place!). the next best thing perhaps is to get a small wine fridge!

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exactly my thoughts bods!  i had the same issue about the airconditioning and rise and fall of temperature.  that is why there are just a few places where i am confident about ordering a bottle of wine! barcino's is one place where the wine is good!!! (i think they ought to give me discounts at the rate i mention their place!).  the next best thing perhaps is to get a small wine fridge!

 

pare expect a lot of people to be at Barcino - it's been posted at the papers yesterday - baka wala tayong mapwestuhan dun. For sure pag madami nang tao - off limits na ang cigars natin :P

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well noted, agxo and thanks for this.  i had a few incidents where the restaurant manager (i really dont know if he is a trained sommelier) recommended a wine which he said was a personal choice.  but not having an open bottle which i could sample, a new one was popped and served.  when i tried it, i should have trusted my intuition and stuck to the familiar labels, so to speak.  but, since i'm usually with the wife when i go out to drink, she would tell me to take the bottle than return it.  so i really never got to return the bottle!

 

much as nuvo is an "in" place, with a pretty pricey menu, i remain cynical on paying good money for wine and food in such places for a few other reasons.

 

now that you mention it - is there any sommelier working in the Philippines?

I thought nuvo had wine flights - so you could sample wine before deciding what you would eventually have?

 

pare kahit bad money dala ko, I would still have second thoughts about buying wine in a resto :lol:

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mahirap na... pag d ako nagahit ng bigote, i get profiled as a bomber dahil under the influence ako when flying just like any most airline pilots :lol: !!!!!  mukha daw ako arabo!!! e sabi ko arabo-hok or shaggy as in shaggy-lid lang ang buhok!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 

on a side note... lipstick has been pretty, pretty quiet... must've she turned sober?  :blink:

 

Your hairstyle should not be grounds for suspicion. But if you have WE CRAVE MARTYRDOM tattoed on your wrist, then most likely you'd be detained at Heathrow :lol:

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not much to be expected from restaurants here. wine, as far as servers are concerned, is still either white or red.  some managers would attempt that's why it is best to stick to what you have in mind.  but if the restaurant owner or chef would come out and talk to you, then i may heed.

 

honestly, i have nothing personal against  nuvo or other similar places but "it" being located in a mall has it's limitations. i guess it begins in the food prep areas and wine storage space competing with other storage and activity areas.  being a "to see and be seen" hip resto, there would be too many distractions with  your food and wine experience... well it's would be nice is such distraction would always be pretty but often times it would be pretty annoying and loud.

 

i often pick stand alone restaurants especially when i take the wife to a special dinner.  For the same amount of cash I would spend in Nuvo, I would go to restos like Tivoli at the Mandarin or Mi Piace at the Pen.  in places like these, you could engage the manager in a lively tete-a-tete on wines and what you are looking for!

 

I havent eaten at Nuvo or perhaps I simply refuse.  my wife already did with some friends and tried their foie gras (my wife and I, and lately my daughter have some great affection for the dish).  when  she got home she said that the dish was not done right... over done that there was hardly any rare portion on it and it was quite tough.  my take on such is that, if it can't be done right, take it out of the menu!

 

there are other places in gb which my wife and i, and maybe with some friends and guests would go to.  if i am in a wine binge, it's magnum (i would not recommend that you eat here); coffee/dessert and casually elegant setting would be segafredo; hue for vietnamese, bubba gump for the ribs, nanbantei for yakitori, cafe havana for the jamon serrano pizza, mojito and its "wildlife" fit for national geographic!

 

I used to go to Nanbantei when it was still in Polaris and I enjoyed it more maybe because it wasn't in a mall. Ironically, when they relocated to GB, their prices went down (at least for beers as I was told). Haven't been there, though.

pare mahilig din ako sa wild life - ano bang wildlife yung sinasabi mo sa Cafe Havana? :lol:

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i really don't have much choice when it comes to greenbelt. our office is a few minutes away and when traffic gets really bad in ayala, it is way better to brave the spaghetti-strap and tight jeans crowd than die of hunger in the middle of edsa. (hehe. obvious bang takot ako magutom?)

 

i like magnum too. they have a wide (in Philippine standards) selection of wine and they used to serve this really good wine cake. it was the wine version of the rhum cake. the cake was moist and not too sweet. a free dessert wine was served with each order. unfortunately, when i passed by a few weeks ago, i learned that they stopped serving it.  :angry:

 

but when it comes to food, i like the chilean sea bass of pepato's, the nilasing na hipon of masa's (you should also try their zombie, a liter costs about P200), crab marilyn of seafoof club, lobster balls of good earth and the mushrooms with garlic of merk's.

 

we also love grappa's. they also have a wide selection of wines and they also have freshly-brewed beer. their buffet spread is awful but their pasta and pizza are great.

 

and of course, there's casa armas. their boquerones, cochinillo, iberian chicken and crab with olive oil are just perfect with their sangria.

 

for a cheap bottle of wine, you can also go to uva. they serve a bottle of deakin estate for abotu P450.

 

now, i'm hungry.

 

HEADLINE:

 

HOUSEWIFE DIES OF HUNGER IN THE MIDDLE OF EDSA

June 31, 2005. In a belated report, a housewife was found dead in a car which stopped in the middle of EDSA in the middle of a horrendous jam traffic about 7:30pm yesterday. Upon investigation, it was found out that............

 

:lol:

 

I really need to have a drink tomorrow :wacko:

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i was being polite by not mentioning grappa's and other restos in the list of places i dont go to in gb. mylk is pretty (the chef i meant! :lol: )  going back to its food, it can pass... it value for buck, not just simply "laman tyan!"

 

the gloriamaris (is it still there? ), i would suggest you drive all the way down to greenhills shopping center.  pepato's is good but 2 reasons i wont spend my money there (altho i already did!)  (1) it's a fancy resto located in a mall (2) i cant seem to crossover the fact that gaita fores, known for her cibo  went upscale to fine cuisine.  (yeah, you may say i need to lighten up!).  albeit i know that she went to italy to pursue her culinary study and so did ed quimson of rastro but he took a different route getting to where he is now!  it's usually gourmet chef reaching out to mass appeal, just like wolfgang puck and spago!

 

I think I need to go back to mylk in order to confirm your observation :rolleyes:

 

there are a lot of chefs content with downhome low-key appeal. I'm not sure if you know Rox Cailao of Katre and Jose Mari Relucio of Ristorante Uno, both in the Morato area. Very good but very unnassuming. Pare why don't we try Uno one time - I don't know about now - but they used to allow customers to bring in their own wine....

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Ola Winos!  Contrary to the rumors going around that I have been abducted by Father Tropa's kampon and the aliens, hahaha I've just been really busy with work, seen canoodling here and there with my favorite man and of course drinking vino so worth the absence from this thread for a couple of days!!! :P

 

Had a wonderful, no, magical day yesterday.  And the bonus was the day spent with a 1998 Brunello di Montalcino in hand.  Am just chasing the label to give you a better report but offhand it was dry (ahah!  I have learned to appreciate dry vin rouge! :D), full bodied (although light with every sip) and warm.  I tasted mostly oak (woodsy), vanillin and a wee bit of spice and licorice?  Ahhh and the finish ... was just excellent! :lol: 

 

Of course delightful wine is always best shared with equally delightful company :rolleyes:  I have been so fortunate in this lifetime to share wine with people who are so very dear to my heart. :)

 

I stumbled upon this blog and it is such an excellent read -- some affluent man living in Makati and an epicure extraordinaire!  Promise it will be worth your time to visit www.marketmanila.com    ... from recipes to food to ingredients and FLOWERS!  Such a delightful find!

 

Ok uwi na ako .... catch y'all later!  Cheers!

 

welcome back!

....and I'm surprised you still remember Father Tropa :lol:

I wonder what happened to him - perhaps devoured by that python he was in the habit of displaying :lol:

 

great review! :)

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not much to be expected from restaurants here. wine, as far as servers are concerned, is still either white or red.  some managers would attempt that's why it is best to stick to what you have in mind.  but if the restaurant owner or chef would come out and talk to you, then i may heed.

 

honestly, i have nothing personal against  nuvo or other similar places but "it" being located in a mall has it's limitations. i guess it begins in the food prep areas and wine storage space competing with other storage and activity areas.  being a "to see and be seen" hip resto, there would be too many distractions with  your food and wine experience... well it's would be nice is such distraction would always be pretty but often times it would be pretty annoying and loud.

 

i often pick stand alone restaurants especially when i take the wife to a special dinner.  For the same amount of cash I would spend in Nuvo, I would go to restos like Tivoli at the Mandarin or Mi Piace at the Pen.  in places like these, you could engage the manager in a lively tete-a-tete on wines and what you are looking for!

 

I havent eaten at Nuvo or perhaps I simply refuse.  my wife already did with some friends and tried their foie gras (my wife and I, and lately my daughter have some great affection for the dish).  when  she got home she said that the dish was not done right... over done that there was hardly any rare portion on it and it was quite tough.  my take on such is that, if it can't be done right, take it out of the menu!

 

there are other places in gb which my wife and i, and maybe with some friends and guests would go to.  if i am in a wine binge, it's magnum (i would not recommend that you eat here); coffee/dessert and casually elegant setting would be segafredo; hue for vietnamese, bubba gump for the ribs, nanbantei for yakitori, cafe havana for the jamon serrano pizza, mojito and its "wildlife" fit for national geographic!

 

i really don't have much choice when it comes to greenbelt. our office is a few minutes away and when traffic gets really bad in ayala, it is way better to brave the spaghetti-strap and tight jeans crowd than die of hunger in the middle of edsa. (hehe. obvious bang takot ako magutom?)

 

i like magnum too. they have a wide (in Philippine standards) selection of wine and they used to serve this really good wine cake. it was the wine version of the rhum cake. the cake was moist and not too sweet. a free dessert wine was served with each order. unfortunately, when i passed by a few weeks ago, i learned that they stopped serving it.  :angry:

 

but when it comes to food, i like the chilean sea bass of pepato's, the nilasing na hipon of masa's (you should also try their zombie, a liter costs about P200), crab marilyn of seafoof club, lobster balls of good earth and the mushrooms with garlic of merk's.

 

we also love grappa's. they also have a wide selection of wines and they also have freshly-brewed beer. their buffet spread is awful but their pasta and pizza are great.

 

and of course, there's casa armas. their boquerones, cochinillo, iberian chicken and crab with olive oil are just perfect with their sangria.

 

for a cheap bottle of wine, you can also go to uva. they serve a bottle of deakin estate for abotu P450.

 

now, i'm hungry.

 

i was being polite by not mentioning grappa's and other restos in the list of places i dont go to in gb. mylk is pretty (the chef i meant! :lol: )  going back to its food, it can pass... it value for buck, not just simply "laman tyan!"

 

the gloriamaris (is it still there? ), i would suggest you drive all the way down to greenhills shopping center.  pepato's is good but 2 reasons i wont spend my money there (altho i already did!)  (1) it's a fancy resto located in a mall (2) i cant seem to crossover the fact that gaita fores, known for her cibo  went upscale to fine cuisine.  (yeah, you may say i need to lighten up!).  albeit i know that she went to italy to pursue her culinary study and so did ed quimson of rastro but he took a different route getting to where he is now!  it's usually gourmet chef reaching out to mass appeal, just like wolfgang puck and spago!

 

Now THAT is an exchange worth the bandwidth!!! Hey - for my next visit, we're going to have to plan something special.......and I nominate Masi and Tentacle to make the reservations! :thumbsupsmiley:

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AND THIS THREAD IS ALIVE!!!!! :thumbsupsmiley: welcome back senorita!

 

speaking of recipes, we should have an eb where wines and home cooked meals would fit along with good company and conversation!!!

 

So come on over - I'll fire up the grills (yes, multiple grills and adding a smoker soon), and cook you an entire meal totally on the grill(s). Meat, fowl and fish, veggies, grilled fruit - the works. Only the breads and the desserts will come off another heat source! :cool:

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...and it had to happen here :lol:

well frankly, for a place that looks glitzy from the outside - with lots of wine - I'm disappointed to know that they have no idea how to store wine, when to take off wine from the shelves when it begins to look iffy etc..

For such an expensive place they should have some sort of a sommelier or someone knowledgeable about wines to talk wine with customers. This is the reason why I have to read up a lot about wines because I don't trust resto people here to recommend a certain wine. I have to go by what I know before I order wine and usually by the glass only, not by the bottle.

I have doubts about the wines they have in the restos here - aside from the ridiculously inflated price, do they know how to store it? I would assume that when they close off the resto at night and put out the electricity and the airconditioning, the wines will suffer in the intensely humid conditions inside a closed restaurant, especially in summer. How do they deal with that? I wouldn't pay a thousand bucks for something I am dubious about.

And also, for those wines you can order by the glass, how many days do they keep an opened bottle before they throw it away with any excess content? Also doubtful to order by the glass because you never know how long the bottle has been opened. Do they have a policy about opened bottles? By the way they mistreat stored wines, I doubt anybody in the resto knows when to discard opened bottles.

Just my thoughts...

 

The thought crossed my mind - but the damage to the wine seemed like it could also have been caused by improper shipping. THere was so much leakage tha the wine had to have been at an elevated temperature for quite a while. Wine in cases, or as is typically the case in restaurants, stcked cases, has a very high thermal mass, which means that it takes a long exposure to the high temperature to cause damage to the wine. I keep some wines in my closet at home - our house is NOT airconditioned, so in the summer, the room will get to 80 deg F or so on a hot day, with temperatures cooling to the 70s at night, and the wines in the closet, especially the wines in cases, stay relatively cool.

 

As for opened bottles - it's been said that a good wine should keep 4 days in an open bottle. My personal experience is it's less than that. Wine frequently benefits from air, but prolonged air leads to oxidation and a degradation in taste. Since I'm usually the only wino at home, I don't finish off a bottle in one night. Two, maybe, but not one. So I re-cork the wine (now I use a device that does the smae thing but is much easier to open) and put the wine on its side in the fridge. Betweent he cold and the cap, I reduce both oxidation and any bacterial activity which would be the cause of turning the wine into vinegar. What do they do at restaurants in Manila? I haven't a clue. I know the local (to me) places I frequent do re-cork the wines and do store them in a cool place overnight.

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now that you mention it - is there any sommelier working in the Philippines?

I thought nuvo had wine flights - so you could sample wine before deciding what you would eventually have?

 

 

Dunno about the wine flights - I don't remember seeing them but then again, it's been more than two weeks so who knows? :blink:

 

There's a place I go to in Walnut Creek that does wine flights - it's called Va de Vi and it's a tapas/small plates kinda place. The sous chef is part Filipino, (from Hawaii) and he's got things like adobo (made with pork ribs) and lumpia on the menu. Great place to go.....but I digress. They have several different flights to choose from, all of which are pretty interesting - all zins, a French red flight, exotic whites, bubblies.....

 

I did read that one of the recent sommeliers to achieve the MASTER rank is a Filipino. And it turns out that down around Salina (Monterey County) there is a winery owned by a Filipino. Gotta go try that one some time.

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Ola Winos!  Contrary to the rumors going around that I have been abducted by Father Tropa's kampon and the aliens, hahaha I've just been really busy with work, seen canoodling here and there with my favorite man and of course drinking vino so worth the absence from this thread for a couple of days!!! :P

 

Had a wonderful, no, magical day yesterday.  And the bonus was the day spent with a 1998 Brunello di Montalcino in hand.  Am just chasing the label to give you a better report but offhand it was dry (ahah!  I have learned to appreciate dry vin rouge! :D), full bodied (although light with every sip) and warm.  I tasted mostly oak (woodsy), vanillin and a wee bit of spice and licorice?  Ahhh and the finish ... was just excellent! :lol: 

 

Of course delightful wine is always best shared with equally delightful company :rolleyes:  I have been so fortunate in this lifetime to share wine with people who are so very dear to my heart. :)

 

I stumbled upon this blog and it is such an excellent read -- some affluent man living in Makati and an epicure extraordinaire!  Promise it will be worth your time to visit www.marketmanila.com    ... from recipes to food to ingredients and FLOWERS!  Such a delightful find!

 

Ok uwi na ako .... catch y'all later!  Cheers!

 

Welcome back! So which was more fun, the canoodling or the wine drinking? :thumbsupsmiley:

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So come on over - I'll fire up the grills (yes, multiple grills and adding a smoker soon), and cook you an entire meal totally on the grill(s). Meat, fowl and fish, veggies, grilled fruit - the works. Only the breads and the desserts will come off another heat source!  :cool:

 

 

what a tempting offer, agxo! and would surely love to go there again... it's been mostly the east coast in my recent visit! better yet, we'll be wait for you and eagleyes come before the last quarter of the year!

 

have a good weekend. ours is already setting in!

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AND THIS THREAD IS ALIVE!!!!! :thumbsupsmiley: welcome back senorita!

 

speaking of recipes, we should have an eb where wines and home cooked meals would fit along with good company and conversation!!!

AWARD Senyorrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! This thread has always been alive kaya :P And I ain't fishing hah! :closedeyes:

 

Magandang idea yang WEB ala BYOB (Bring Your Own Bitbit quesejodang bote, bebot, bogchi or boylet yang B na yan! :lol:)!!! If that pushes through I'll bring my almost-famous Prawns ala Lipstick! Or the equally almost-made-it Tuna ala Lips. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

I think I need to go back to mylk in order to confirm your observation :rolleyes:

 

there are a lot of chefs content with downhome low-key appeal. I'm not sure if you know Rox Cailao of Katre and Jose Mari Relucio of Ristorante Uno, both in the Morato area. Very good but very unnassuming. Pare why don't we try Uno one time - I don't know about now - but they used to allow customers to bring in their own wine....

Sharapppppppppp sa Katre! And Uno as well. Geez, I suddenly miss Dondi my friend because the last time I was at UNO was with him :cry: We used to always make it a point to discover all these little unassuming but yummy places together. Morato has a whole lot of these lovely lil discoveries of a dining place. :)

 

Can I just say that I find NUVO such a pretentious bar to be in! I cringe everytime we (meaning office friends) have to go there! Euuuuwwwwwww! Que dami daming kibitzers and mga wanna be seen there that it's just disgusting! :grr: And it is true that their supposed sommelier is not a sommelier but a SOME-LIAR! :lol: He doesn't even know his wines! Lech!

 

Aga aga mainit na naman ulo ko. :upside:

 

welcome back!

....and I'm surprised you still remember Father Tropa :lol:

I wonder what happened to him - perhaps devoured by that python he was in the habit of displaying :lol:

 

great review!  :)

Who can forget Father Tropa and his spaceship 2000 pare??!?!?! Hahahaha Every Sabado Morning palabas yan sa Channel 9! Susmio, I remember tuning on purpose just to have some laughs! :lol:

 

Welcome back! So which was more fun, the canoodling or the wine drinking?  :thumbsupsmiley:

:) Thank you Mr. Agxo3! Drinking wine while canoodling is most fun. ^_^

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