agxo3 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 i drink wine but i dont like to taste it...its just like drinking syrup medicine...i know for a fact the moderate drinking of red wine is good for r healththats why i have to take it every night...at least half glass... question peeps...whats d difference in terms of effect between a pricey wines compare to the cheaper brands... is it comparable to buying a generic drug over a branded one?just wanted to be enlightened <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If all you're after is the health benefits, you don't need to drink wine. You can get a lot of the benefits just by drinking grape juice (REAL juice, not the grape flavored drinks) daily! For the health benefits, cheap is just as healthy as a GOOD wine. Not as enjoyable, but you'e not after enjoyment anyway. Now - you say it's like drinking cough syrup - and for many wines, that's a fair assessment. However, what that means is you likely haven't tasted a good wine yet. Getting into reds first is a risky proposition - reds are not as friendly and if yu start with the wrong one can make you wonder what all the hoohah is about wine. I'd recommend you start with a light, fruit forward, just off-dry white. If you can find a moscato d'asti (from Italy! Not the schlock pretenders.) or a Vouvray (France), try those first. Of the reds, the most approachable would be a really soft merlot, or a VERY fruity pinot noir. They won't have aging potential and will be "drink now" wines, but a good intro to reds. Another one to try if you can find it would be a light grenache - a crisp rose from Bandols (France) might do the trick. And (I hate to say this but it's true!)a Beringer white zinfandel may be one way for you to get into wine. Sweet, but friendly. Not for me, but for many it's the wine of choice. Even here where we're all spoiled with easy access to great wines. Quote Link to comment
floppydrive Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 question peeps...whats d difference in terms of effect between a pricey wines compare to the cheaper brands... is it comparable to buying a generic drug over a branded one?just wanted to be enlightened <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If the medical effect is from the grapes, and has nothing to do with the age of the wine, then the less expensive wines would do. But of course, the more expensive ones, more often than not, do taste way better. From what I learned from Keith Floyd (Travel & Living Channel wine nut), certain wines are best consumed at a certain age. For a red wine like cabernet sauvignon, it's best between 5 to 7 years old. So if you go to a store and compare prices, when the wine falls into it's "optimum" age, it's at it's most expensive. So today is 2005, so a 2003 or 2002 would come in at 200-300 a bottle (depending on vineyard), then a 2000 or 1999 of the same wine from the same vineyard would come in at 500 - 600. And from experience (albeit short), the right age does make a big difference in taste! Please note that the example above is only for cabernet-sauvignon. Beaujolais is also a red wine, but matures at a younger age. Different wines - different characteristics. What the heck, just enjoy! Quote Link to comment
floppydrive Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 And (I hate to say this but it's true!)a Beringer white zinfandel may be one way for you to get into wine. Sweet, but friendly. Not for me, but for many it's the wine of choice. Even here where we're all spoiled with easy access to great wines.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> All because Filipinos have a very sweet tooth - sweet spaghetti, sweet hotdog, sweet ketchup, etc. I agree with you - starting of with sweet wine is one way to start. Is Zinfandel a real grape? I first heard of it 20 years ago as a California wine variety. Quote Link to comment
agxo3 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 If the medical effect is from the grapes, and has nothing to do with the age of the wine, then the less expensive wines would do. But of course, the more expensive ones, more often than not, do taste way better. From what I learned from Keith Floyd (Travel & Living Channel wine nut), certain wines are best consumed at a certain age. For a red wine like cabernet sauvignon, it's best between 5 to 7 years old. So if you go to a store and compare prices, when the wine falls into it's "optimum" age, it's at it's most expensive. So today is 2005, so a 2003 or 2002 would come in at 200-300 a bottle (depending on vineyard), then a 2000 or 1999 of the same wine from the same vineyard would come in at 500 - 600. And from experience (albeit short), the right age does make a big difference in taste! Please note that the example above is only for cabernet-sauvignon. Beaujolais is also a red wine, but matures at a younger age. Different wines - different characteristics. What the heck, just enjoy!<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good rules of thumb but not always accurate. Many wines are meant to drink now, and others to age. A DRC (the most expensive Bordeaux producer) will not be ready to drink for 10-15 years, while a wine of the same vintage but from a lesser producer (say, Louis Jadot Bordeaux Villages) may be ready to drink in 5 years or less. I've got drink now cabs, and drink in 15 years cabs. And BTW - even some whites are age-worthy. I have a 2000 chradonnay that I won't touch for another 5 years. And I'm just now drinking my '95 zins. The moral is - know your wines, know your vintages. Usually better to err on the side of drinking earlier rther than later when wine is on the downhill slide to oblivion. Wines get more expensive as they get older because the wine producer/broker/merchant has had it for a longer period of time, which means his money has not been turning over and earning a return on his investment. Therefore he needs to figure in the cost of carrying the wine in his inventory, which adds to the cost from year to year. Further, the good vintages get rarer as the years go by - people like me buy them and hold them - so the law of supply and demand kicks in. More availability, lower prices. Less availability, higher prices. The moral here is - know your wines, know your vintages, know yor producers, be willing to invest. All this information, BTW, is available on the Web. The Wine Spectator publishes a wine vintage guide yearly that makes a good starting point for deciding when to drink a wine. Quote Link to comment
agxo3 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 All because Filipinos have a very sweet tooth - sweet spaghetti, sweet hotdog, sweet ketchup, etc. I agree with you - starting of with sweet wine is one way to start. Is Zinfandel a real grape? I first heard of it 20 years ago as a California wine variety.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Zinfandel is a descendant of a Croatian variety that was imported into the US back in the early days of the wine industry. The same grape was imported into Italy where it is known as primitivo. DNA tests have confirmed that zin and primitivo are from the same stock, as is the Croatian grape. Quite a distinct flavor. Bright bing cherry, strawberry and red raspberry flavors. A bit of smoke depending on the barrel. Some plum and sometimes raisin undertones. And a characteristic black pepper hit on the finish. Definitely not your average cab. Quote Link to comment
miss_managed Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 If all you're after is the health benefits, you don't need to drink wine. You can get a lot of the benefits just by drinking grape juice (REAL juice, not the grape flavored drinks) daily! For the health benefits, cheap is just as healthy as a GOOD wine. Not as enjoyable, but you'e not after enjoyment anyway. Now - you say it's like drinking cough syrup - and for many wines, that's a fair assessment. However, what that means is you likely haven't tasted a good wine yet. Getting into reds first is a risky proposition - reds are not as friendly and if yu start with the wrong one can make you wonder what all the hoohah is about wine. I'd recommend you start with a light, fruit forward, just off-dry white. If you can find a moscato d'asti (from Italy! Not the schlock pretenders.) or a Vouvray (France), try those first. Of the reds, the most approachable would be a really soft merlot, or a VERY fruity pinot noir. They won't have aging potential and will be "drink now" wines, but a good intro to reds. Another one to try if you can find it would be a light grenache - a crisp rose from Bandols (France) might do the trick. And (I hate to say this but it's true!)a Beringer white zinfandel may be one way for you to get into wine. Sweet, but friendly. Not for me, but for many it's the wine of choice. Even here where we're all spoiled with easy access to great wines.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> thats a good intro to wine agxo...thanks... :cool: Quote Link to comment
Spurt Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 HEY!!! bods, wassup!!! i'm back posting pero out of site pa rin, hehehe. basta.... lets drink when I'm there na di matuloy-tuloy. hehehe anyway, i got friend looking for a sales person for a wine company in MNL. anyone interested who at least knows anything about wine can send me a PM. sorry out of topic ba? Quote Link to comment
bods1000 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 i drink wine but i dont like to taste it...its just like drinking syrup medicine...i know for a fact the moderate drinking of red wine is good for r healththats why i have to take it every night...at least half glass... question peeps...whats d difference in terms of effect between a pricey wines compare to the cheaper brands... is it comparable to buying a generic drug over a branded one?just wanted to be enlightened <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well, nobody is being forced to take in anything they don't enjoy....forcing yourself into the wine world for all the wrong reasons like wine being a substitute for cough syrup should make one pause and reevaluate what the heck they're spending money for...as agxo said, there's no difference between a pricey wine and a cheapo...it's the tannins in the red grapes that is supposedly good for the health, so it's really a choice between red and white... Quote Link to comment
bods1000 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 If the medical effect is from the grapes, and has nothing to do with the age of the wine, then the less expensive wines would do. But of course, the more expensive ones, more often than not, do taste way better. From what I learned from Keith Floyd (Travel & Living Channel wine nut), certain wines are best consumed at a certain age. For a red wine like cabernet sauvignon, it's best between 5 to 7 years old. So if you go to a store and compare prices, when the wine falls into it's "optimum" age, it's at it's most expensive. So today is 2005, so a 2003 or 2002 would come in at 200-300 a bottle (depending on vineyard), then a 2000 or 1999 of the same wine from the same vineyard would come in at 500 - 600. And from experience (albeit short), the right age does make a big difference in taste! Please note that the example above is only for cabernet-sauvignon. Beaujolais is also a red wine, but matures at a younger age. Different wines - different characteristics. What the heck, just enjoy!<{POST_SNAPBACK}> you got it right - just enjoy! the heck with rules But you see, it would really be a big help if you have personal favorites in wine - like favorite label, favorite wine area, favorite varietal...vintages sometimes are confusing, mainly due to the lack of info, or if the info is available, you just don't know where to find it - and when you do find it, it's all really subjective - depends on the rater's biases and they do have biases...Say your personal favorite is an Oregon pinot, or an Aussie shiraz, or a California cab, or an Italian barolo...you tend to buy the same label year in and year out because it's what you enjoy... Cheers! Quote Link to comment
bods1000 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 Good rules of thumb but not always accurate. Many wines are meant to drink now, and others to age. A DRC (the most expensive Bordeaux producer) will not be ready to drink for 10-15 years, while a wine of the same vintage but from a lesser producer (say, Louis Jadot Bordeaux Villages) may be ready to drink in 5 years or less. I've got drink now cabs, and drink in 15 years cabs. And BTW - even some whites are age-worthy. I have a 2000 chradonnay that I won't touch for another 5 years. And I'm just now drinking my '95 zins. The moral is - know your wines, know your vintages. Usually better to err on the side of drinking earlier rther than later when wine is on the downhill slide to oblivion. Wines get more expensive as they get older because the wine producer/broker/merchant has had it for a longer period of time, which means his money has not been turning over and earning a return on his investment. Therefore he needs to figure in the cost of carrying the wine in his inventory, which adds to the cost from year to year. Further, the good vintages get rarer as the years go by - people like me buy them and hold them - so the law of supply and demand kicks in. More availability, lower prices. Less availability, higher prices. The moral here is - know your wines, know your vintages, know yor producers, be willing to invest. All this information, BTW, is available on the Web. The Wine Spectator publishes a wine vintage guide yearly that makes a good starting point for deciding when to drink a wine.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Re: age-worthy whites...I've often wondered it there was some truth to this, and your post made me believe that it happens.....kaya pala pare, I have some 1999 Australian semillons and sauvignon blancs and their tasting notes said they'd be good for at least 5 years...When I tasted them last year, they somehow tasted far-out different and way-much better than any white (or red) that I've had...even those who bought them from me attested to this and they've been pestering me since.....I've stopped selling because I'm keeping the rest Quote Link to comment
bods1000 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 HEY!!! bods, wassup!!! i'm back posting pero out of site pa rin, hehehe. basta.... lets drink when I'm there na di matuloy-tuloy. hehehe anyway, i got friend looking for a sales person for a wine company in MNL. anyone interested who at least knows anything about wine can send me a PM. sorry out of topic ba?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> wazzup ka dyan - ang tagal mo nang nawala pards remember madami ka nang utang sa akin - last year mo pa sinasabi yang paiinumin mo ko hehehe...pero seriously when will you be here - I got a lot questions about the wine business - maybe you can help with some info..thanks pare! pare dyan sa sales person mo, are you looking for a female or a male? Pwede ba ko dyan kahit part-time? Kahit walang sweldo basta may supply lang ng wine every payday Quote Link to comment
agxo3 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Re: age-worthy whites...I've often wondered it there was some truth to this, and your post made me believe that it happens.....kaya pala pare, I have some 1999 Australian semillons and sauvignon blancs and their tasting notes said they'd be good for at least 5 years...When I tasted them last year, they somehow tasted far-out different and way-much better than any white (or red) that I've had...even those who bought them from me attested to this and they've been pestering me since.....I've stopped selling because I'm keeping the rest <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yup - I've had this case of cheap zin that I bought 2 years ago. Actually I bought 2 cases 'cause it was so cheap. $20 a case! And it was drinkable. So it makes a good background kinda wine to have around. Anyway - it got much better the first year I had it, but it's since stopped improving leading me to believe I really need to drink this up NOW. So now I bring it to our weekly photo drinkfests. Hehehehe- the advantages of being the wine seller - if you find a wine you really like you can take it off the market and keep it for yourself! :cool: If I were in a position to do that, I'd lose money! I'd be keeping all the wine to myself! As it is, buying at retail I still have (did a quick inventory the other night while I was looking for a bottle to open) 6 cases on racks in the closet, 5 caess between the two fridges, and 8 under the house! And I thought I was cutting back buying! Guess not. I'll be going to visit Vincent Arroyo in Calistoga on Saturday. Barrel tasting time. He makes some of the best cabs around. Sells out each year - just at the winery. In fact, it's so popular, you need to sign up early to get on the list. Wonder how much wine I'll be buying on this trip. Neibaum-Coppola is releasing the latest Rubicon (2001) in March. I haven't missed that party in the past 5 years and I don't intend to start now. That's good for a few bottles as well. Quote Link to comment
bods1000 Posted February 25, 2005 Author Share Posted February 25, 2005 Yup - I've had this case of cheap zin that I bought 2 years ago. Actually I bought 2 cases 'cause it was so cheap. $20 a case! And it was drinkable. So it makes a good background kinda wine to have around. Anyway - it got much better the first year I had it, but it's since stopped improving leading me to believe I really need to drink this up NOW. So now I bring it to our weekly photo drinkfests. Hehehehe- the advantages of being the wine seller - if you find a wine you really like you can take it off the market and keep it for yourself! :cool: If I were in a position to do that, I'd lose money! I'd be keeping all the wine to myself! As it is, buying at retail I still have (did a quick inventory the other night while I was looking for a bottle to open) 6 cases on racks in the closet, 5 caess between the two fridges, and 8 under the house! And I thought I was cutting back buying! Guess not. I'll be going to visit Vincent Arroyo in Calistoga on Saturday. Barrel tasting time. He makes some of the best cabs around. Sells out each year - just at the winery. In fact, it's so popular, you need to sign up early to get on the list. Wonder how much wine I'll be buying on this trip. Neibaum-Coppola is releasing the latest Rubicon (2001) in March. I haven't missed that party in the past 5 years and I don't intend to start now. That's good for a few bottles as well.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> on the other hand - wine-selling is the best business - if you can't sell it, you can drink it :upside: Quote Link to comment
cebucitylocal Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Just came back from a Business Trip to Shanghai and got to try a really awesome wine.a Chateau Roumieu sauternes.The write up is as followsSauternes,the great sweet white wine from Bordeaux,is a rare and prestigous product.Botrytis Cinerea,a fungus,is harnessed to create the "noble Rot"which allows the grapes to dehydrate and concentrate the sugar and aromas without the loss of essential balancing acid.In fact,the Botrytis Cinerea only grows in a very special microclimate,and due to the wine s natural concentration,each vine produces only 2 to 3 glasses of wine with 89% Semillon,10% Sauvignon Blanc and 1% Muscadelle,the sweetest grapes are handpicked.It is smooth,luscious,very fruity with flavors of apricot and peach,balanced with good acidity,Sort of like an ice wine but using dehydration instead of Ice to concentrate the sweetness.Is it available here in Manila.I bought a bottle for 800 RMB or roughly 5400 pesos in Shanghai.It was on sale at the HK Duty free at 80$ US.Anybody here have price ideas if this wine is available here in Manila??? Quote Link to comment
bods1000 Posted February 28, 2005 Author Share Posted February 28, 2005 pareng ccl - what a relief! I thought you will be talking again about some Chinese wine You can try looking at Bacchus or Anthony's for that wine - they might have it... cheers! Quote Link to comment
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