N F L - National Football League

[howard_the_duck]

the colts and the pats won't even meet at the super bowl

 

HAHAHAHA

[gift_of_game]

sir, in boxing there is an 8-count rule. There is a TKO rule. There is the throwing of the towel. In the NFL, there is none....yet. If that's the case, there is no surrender in the NFL. Playing for 60 minutes is the rule.

 

first off, please stop calling me sir.

we're all equals here.

and even if we disagree, I respect your right to have your own take on things.

this is the sports thread anyway. so sabi nga nila, "sport lang".

boxing obviously has it because they don't want to hurt the other guy needlessly.

all I'm driving at here is, the other dude and the ref knows when a guy is beat.

They do not have to go great lengths in proving who won it.

For such a brutal sport, that's saying a lot.

 

Sir, if Bill Belichick plays with his right hand in tennis (Brady and the rest) and leading 6-0, 6-0, 5-0, would switching hands (bench players) make it more respectful? Would intentionally missing the ball (taking a knee or punting or kicking a field goal or simply stop scoring) be more appropriate? Yes there is no garbage time in individual sports, and yes only the players themselves are accountable to the win or the loss. But still, a team is considered alone by themselves against other teams. They answer to no one and get all the blame if they lose. They are not individuals out there. They are a unit. A unit is one. This ain't the WWE Royal Rumble. As for garbage time, I guess tennis players and pro bowlers can play with their other hand just for practice to make it garbage time. Then again, it's unsportsmanlike. But possible. Never thought of it though.

 

again, this is where comparing an individual sport to a team sport just falls way, way short.

like I said, the arguments tend to get loopy. the semantics can only take you so far.

and I dunno at which point I said it but I never asked the Patsies to bungle it up.

C'mon now.

 

Sir, they won against the 5-0 Dallas Cowboys who had the #1 offense, capable of coming back as they had shown a week before in Buffalo. Then the following week, Miami scored 14 unanswered points within 3 minutes after Brady was benched. Last week, they were facing the #5 Defense in the NFL. They ain't cripple sir. I certainly did not see them as that. They all are under the same salary cap. they are all under the rules of the NFL. Here are some not-so-cripple like facts:

Miami beat NE a year ago by shutting them out. NE scored 0 (zero). nada. zilch. Nobody heard anything.

NE hasnt beaten washington ever since Brady was their starting QB. And Joe Gibbs is even with Bill Belichick before the match at 2-2.

 

the Pats and all the other teams are obviously different teams right now.

Miami's not as sharp as it was defensively in recent years and just can't get enough points on the board.

The Skins looked promising out of the gate but injuries put them back on the backburner.

anyhow, if you were to go by Belichick's OWN WORDS, none of what you said matters at all...no one cares who did what last year, last month or last week--that's all in the past.

it's all about winning and delivering results at whatever cost right now.

 

It is wrong if a player and a team thinks that their opponents are the underdogs. they should not. they should be prepared and never underestimate any opponent. That's what a team in pro sports do. They should treat their opponents as equal. if there's one thing that is as rare as it is common in pro sports, it is the word UPSET. it can happen and it does happen. they are playing in pro sports sir. showing dominance in every game, being consistent, being a force, earning your millions doing what your supposed to do, and doing it fairly and legally, by scoring TDs and just spike the ball (no TO or Ocho Cinco routines), is as common in the game as being hit, being pounded, getting injured, and getting cheap shot at.

No team defeated was unconscious, they were not lying on the ground before the play, they were not calling an injury timeout. they were well, they were capable, they were supposed to compete. they were paid to compete.

 

...and they were, like I say again, too crippled to compete in the first place.

spirit willing, body weak = blowout.

prospect of getting upset by a young, decimated visiting team like the Skins?

Slim.

prospect of rising up from a beatdown with a little over a quarter left on the clock with a decimated O-Line, half-assed receivers and overmatched runners?

Zilch.

bottomline, game out of hand, send those scrubs in.

if respecting the opponent is such a foreign concept, respect the game at the very least.

 

or maybe that's just what's wrong with pro sports nowadays...

 

and I don't want to say anything more about the Dream Team-Pats comparison save for that it's a freaking travesty.

Edited November 4, 2007 by gift_of_game

[cheeselogger]

@cheese

 

The opponent's starters were still left in the game until the end. Redskins scored with 3 minutes left with their Starting QB and starting TE. Miami's Cleo Lemon was not pulled out of the game either. In the miami game, 2nd string QB Cassel entered with 11 minutes left in the 4th, but threw and interception and Miami scored 14 points under 3 minutes. Brady was sent back in and finished the Dolphins. In the 'Skins game, Cassel was brought in and made a 15-yard TD run before Campbell threw the late TD pass to Cooley. And yes, it was Brady who threw the late TD to Welker who spiked the ball.

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that Miami game I wasn't pertaining too. I was pointing out to the Dallas game and the Washington game. I might have mixed up the last 2 game referrence and forgot about the Miami game. I apologize for that mistake. anyway, back to your reply yeah that Miami game looked all good in my opinion. see, the Pats did the "classy" thing and let their second stringers play in that game early in the 4th Quarter. and when the Dolphins made a run to make it close, Bellichick had to bring in Brady to make sure they won that game. but that 'Skins game? Cassel already had it covered and the 'Skins didn't even make a dent to their lead, so what was the use of bringing back in Brady?

 

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I do agree that opinions differ and one's view of the situation is different from mine. Also am in agreement that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But never will I say that it's wrong even if it's ugly. If the rules don't say so and the field is even, even if it is ugly, it is still not wrong. it's sympathy that makes it sour. Their adults and they should take it like men.

 

Respect shouldn't be measured or gauged by an "invisible" line. Who knows where is that line? Some say it's after you are leading by 4 TDs even if early in the 4th quarter. Some say it's when your leading 42-7 at the half. Some say it's when your leading 31-7 with 7 minutes left in the third. There's nothing wrong with protecting the lead, especially if the opposing team's starters are still on the field. the question is what should the leading team do. i guess it will be more respectful that the leading team take a knee on the first three downs while laughing all the time, then punting on the 4th down than going for it and drive the offense to the end zone. Nothing's wrong with laughing, and taking a knee is legal. They are just having fun. And they are not running up the score. Sounds good to me. And note, they are not laughing at the opposing team. they are just laughing.

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I never implied to say that beauty or the absence of it was related to right or wrong. all I'm saying is in my humble opinion, it is not a good sight to see someone beating up a hapless team. yeah, the premise was they were equal teams. but obviously in that game they weren't. do we need to bring up stats just to show that that game was already a total mismatch? eventhough they are both NFL teams?

 

again you are right, respect isn't something that can be measured. the only thing I meant about that invicible line is that is the limit that most people know that respect was being give. you are right that there are no agreed upon "code of conduct" when it comes to protecting a lead, but isn't it still protecting a lead by just going for 3 pts instead of going for 6 pts when obviously the opponent is having a hard time to score? to make it more in the Pats favor, it was already in the 4th Quarter and running out the clock would have been easier to do.

 

that laughing scenario can and will be interpreted differently. just like I've said, running up the score is subjective to people and that laughter, even though they weren't directing it to the opponent, can be interpreted as a disrespect for others. as I've said, it would be better for players to just play the game and not give the other team any reason to retaliate or do anything bad.

 

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Domination is completely outplaying your opponents and convincingly winning against them. It's not beating them to the ground. It's so exaggerated. In boxing, coaches and trainers can throw the towel, but in the NFL there is no need. It's just scoring. It's not a matter of life and death. Hence my comparison to any sport in the world. Shutouts and blowouts are part of the game. And for the record, nobody has conceded in the NFL. It's the defense' job to stop the opposing team's offense. And the referees' job is to call it fairly. I guess the refs are also barbaric. They didn't stop the beating. I guess there should be like an 8-count rule in the NFL. Haha! when a team is trailing by 28 points with 8 minutes left in the thrid quarter, they should score on their next drive or the game will be stopped. Pats win by TKO! woohoo! just kidding.

 

I guess i'm more barbaric, or i am just not sympathetic. We're not dealing with life and death here. They are just doing their jobs, legally and fairly. It's not wrong and barbaric to score on every opportunity isn't it? There is no white flag "yet" in the NFL. And no lead is safe and the game is not over until the final buzzer sounds. Stranger things have happened. And i will not be the first to react if any player will defeat the Pats so badly, coz i know they will learn from it. As they should be. As it is supposed to be, if were dealing with "invisible" lines here.

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it's not exaggerated. when you are leading by more than 30 pts in the 4th quarter (not the start of it) and it still shows that you can score again whenever you want, piling on the score is beating the opposing team to the ground. what, 30 pts is not enough lead for you? what do you want, a 100 pt lead before you can say that you really won that game? the boxing comparison will not hold water in team sports, as you have said football and other notable team sports are not a matter of life and death. but to prove a point that there is a place for "mercy" rule in team sports, baseball/softball has a 15 run scored mercy rule that if a team reaches that point in any inning, they can stop the game already and give the win to the leading team. I'm not sure though if they do that in the pro's, but I know there is/was a rule like this. obviously, it is hard to make a limit in games like football or basketball but just to reiterate my point, there is still a place for "mercy" in team sports.

 

 

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No team defeated was unconscious, they were not lying on the ground before the play, they were not calling an injury timeout. they were well, they were capable, they were supposed to compete. they were paid to compete. I guess there is no class in the 1992 Dream Team. They showed no mercy. They kept on scoring until the last buzzer. They were dominant. They were a team. they were not individuals. Ok ok, they benched their starters. LOL. they were all superstars. Everyone was a starter. they were a beauty to watch. And rightfully, i will not call their opponents cripple. it was the Olympics. All games were treated the same.

 

There was no invisible line that time. Respect was not an issue. yet they pounded on the opposing team night after night. Leading by 40-70 points as early as the 2nd quarter. The opponents gave respect to the Dream Team. They were satisfied to have played against them despite the beating. And yes, there were no salary caps and the opposing team was clearly an underdog. Isn't that unfair? but not in the Olympics.

 

this one was not addressed to me but I would like to take a stab at it.

 

that one and only Dream Team showed mercy as they never had to go full throttle the full 40 minutes. almost all of their opponents at that time said it themselves, most of them were thinking more of asking for autographs at the end of the game from the superstars of the game rather than competing. and yeah, there are no restrictive rules in the Olympics on how much talent they can put in one team. but one thing you can be sure about the Dream Team, they came in every game only looking for the win and never thinking they should be leading by 40+ points every game. I cannot say the same thing for this year's Patriots...

[neKnock]

Damm blackout last night killed my momentum. Now to put it out of my chest.

 

This maybe basketball, but this is the closest I could go for now.

 

Rob Sanz scored the final basket in the Purefoods-Ginebra blowout last night. Pat Burke swished three three-pointers against the Kings. But you say, no, these are bench players making the most of their limited time on the court. However, I can also say that they RAN UP THE SCORE in an already settled game. Watching the Youtube clip, you could hear one commentator say after Burke scored the three trifectas, "Now that is rubbing salt into the wound."

 

You want a starter? In the SLR-TNT game, Kelly Williams jammed one home with the game out of hand. I can accuse him of running up the score and rubbing it in when he dunked it in before the game ended.

 

Then there's Boozer in the rookie challenge. He got posterized after his guard bounced the ball off his head then scored a three-pointer just before the buzzer. He made a big deal out of this. The following year, as a sophomore, he got posterized once more after he got dunked over before the game ended. You can say that this is just an exhibition game for entertainment purposes. But if this were an actual game your opinion might differ.

 

Speaking of people making a big fuss, nothing beats the Knicks who suddenly started throwing punches against the Nuggets because the Denver coaching staff decided to let the starters to finish the game. As in WTF?

 

I have watched collegiate summer leagues and you have the Team B of a UAAP member school run roughshod the Team A of some non-UAAP/NCAA school. The latter could say, "Why bother?" or "It's unfair. They have a bigger sports budget. They should play their Team C against us."

 

Still, I don't get where the hate on the Pats come from.

 

Oh yeah, I'm also watching the Pats-Colts on Sopcast right now. If you DON'T want spoilers, do tell.

 

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Just recalled something. There was this televised game, couldn't recall if it was the PBA or the UAAP. The team who was ahead decided to run down the clock by committing three straight 24-second shotclock violations. Although it was 'sportsmanlike' as per your definition because they never attempted to run up the score, that sure looked weird.

Edited November 4, 2007 by neKnock

[Guernica]

the only game that matters:

Pats 24

Colts 21

 

Ang galing mo talaga! Quack, quack

[gift_of_game]

this has gone far longer than it should have.

 

we all have opinions---educated, misguided or otherwise.

if you think it's uncalled for to label them classless and unsportsmanlike for what they did in the previous game against the Skins, that's fine by me.

that's your point of view. I'm not out here to make believers out of anybody. I'm just saying what I had in mind and why I feel that way.

so I won't lose sleep over it, no thump beating down my chest, no momentum lost at all because ultimately, I respect your right to say it.

 

I just happen to see it the other way.

and if some people can't respect that simple little fact, well, it's just unfortunate.

 

I saw the game. Great football all around.

in the end, the Pats made all the plays that mattered, scoring when they had to and their stout D ganging up on Manning.

 

interesting end-game confrontation between the coaches though.

 

hehe!

[denimhead]

g0g .. i was gonna go for the punching a guy when he's down scenario too ....now that the opening act is over .. time for the real football game ...... two teams and two towns that hate each other ......

[bizquit22]

wwwaaahhhhh..talo COLTS KO...huhuhu...wwwaaahhhhh..talo COLTS KO...huhuhu...

[howard_the_duck]

Ang galing mo talaga! Quack, quack

mintis nga eh

 

Pats 24

Colts 20

 

looks like vinatieri missed a PAT

[damaso]

the scary part is that the pats won even though they didn't pay well: 150 yards in penalties and the awful tackling when addai scored...

[Metz]

OT:

G_o_G and cheese:

 

It was fun. Debating, or whatever you may want to call it, was fun. For my part, this is my first time here in MTC to post such long ones. Hehe. I got into arguably heated arguments in other forums before. But the only thing i threw were laughs and smiles. same here.

 

I do respect your views, even if i argue against the fairness of them. I viewed it as something i can talk about. Nothing personal really. I do apologize if somehow you found my comments as disrespectful of your views. It was only intended to argue and depict the other side of the argument. Till the next topic then...

 

 

On the game:

It was a great game all around. Lot of drama and suspense. The plot was building. Manning was pumped up after his QB sneak TD. Defense was pumped up sacking Brady twice and picking him also twice. But the finish was fantastic. Resilience was the Colts recipe last year in the AFC Championship. Now it was the Pats. It was just great to watch the same teams playing different roles this time around. Credit to both teams for a great game.

 

The refs did gave a subplot too. 3 questionable interference calls marred this game. I am not to say they were complete miscalls, but it doesn't matter.

 

Go Pats!

[gift_of_game]

hey, even I'd call it differently.

and this isn't sucking up to your boys---the game just had too many odd "superstar" ref calls, the bulk of them going Indy's way.

but in the end, the Pats won and that's all that matters.

 

and yeah, `til the next one. :thumbsupsmiley:

[howard_the_duck]

the receivers did a GREAT job... those passes would have been incomplete if not for them

[denimhead]

alls well that ends well.... now that my NFL season has ended officially .... imma have to move to south america where the weather's warmer ... darn birds blew it big time

[howard_the_duck]

bad year for philly sports, eh?

 

except for the phillies