Mixed Martial Arts

[spetsnaz]

Spetsnaz: the kickboxing gym in merville is along vienna st. it's located in one of the houses, have not been able to check it out

thanks sir, i'll check it out tonight

[bonzai]

Spetsnaz: the kickboxing gym in merville is along vienna st. it's located in one of the houses, have not been able to check it out

 

Bonzai: the kickboxing gym operated by the Amateru Muay Thai Association is located in the bleacher of the Ultra oval. The gym is decent and if it's your first time you'll have to get used to the smell of sweat on the way in. The cost is P3500 for the sessions (12-15 i'm not sure). basic defense, punching, kicking, use of elbows and knees. then you do pad works and/or spar and then learn and practice combos. After the sessions, it's P100 per session whenever you come in. No fixed schedule of classes. If you're familiar with the URCC, in URCC 3, Asion "The Bull" won the SOT, he's one of the trainers of that gym. One of them, Billy and Brent, represent the Philippines in the World Cup tourneys in Thailand. The gym and association is headed by Kru Robert Valdes. He was trained and competed in Thailand and the association is accredited by the PSC. So it's not a sham - they are the real thing.

 

Hope this helps you or others.

thanx bro

[gunpdr]

hey tequilajoe,

 

need your help pare! I was trying to get the info about the pasukuan here in makati one of our forumer comrades here gave me the place he said you guys practice here in paramount gym..which im not familiar with ..do you happen to know a fone number to call so i can inquire about the rate, the place an all the info,s..tnx in advance tol..

 

Alpha

Paramount Gym

Penthouse, Centro Building

180 Salcedo Street, Legaspi Village Makati

 

Phone No.: 813 8977

 

We train 7:30 pm to 9:30 pm Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[CATCHO]

Catcho, is your Shorin Ryu similar to Roberto Gonzales? I know that the late Arnis GM Ben Lema is also a Shorin Ryu instructor who studied in Japan.

Our style is the kobayashi style of shorin-ryu from the lineage of Choshin Chibana to the father of Philippine Karate, Latino H. Gonzales. Latino is the brother of Roberto. However, Roberto made some modifications and the style was later on called the SHOTOKAN.

[Alphamale-X]

Paramount Gym

Penthouse, Centro Building

180 Salcedo Street, Legaspi Village Makati

 

Phone No.: 813 8977

 

We train 7:30 pm to 9:30 pm Tuesdays and Thursdays.

GUNPDR,

 

MARAMING MARAMING SALAMAT SA INFO TOL!!!!

[topher]

Original JKD was the brainchild of the Legend Bruce Lee based from a mixture of all the arts he had learned, he combined it into one flowing art, JKD.

 

Lee had a number of students during his time, but only a handful were really able to pick up where he left and continued practicing and mastering the art.

 

Perico JKD, as implied, is a form of JKD which Joey Perico developed based on the original JKD of Bruce Lee.

Hello, I used to do a little JKD. There are two main schools, the Concepts School and the Original School. The Original school is what Bruce Lee's first students from Oakland teach. It is mainly Jun Fan kung fu -- a modified form of wing chun with borrowed concepts from western boxing, western fencing and white crane kung fu. Ted Wong would probably be among its leaders. After he left Oakland/San Francisco, Bruce Lee moved to Los Angeles and continued his own personal martial arts evolution there. The Concepts school is led by Fil-Am Dan Inosanto, Bruce Lee's training partner. It has a research and development approach that studies anything useful it can find in any martial art. It's curriculum includes Filipino martial arts, muay thai, savate, boxing, bjj, grappling, etc. It seems like a lot, but students gravitate towards a few arts and specialize in them. Their aim is to be efficient in every range of combat. JKD Concepts is much more popular and, honestly speaking, much more respected. In my opinion, JKD Concepts is actually more Dan Inosanto than Bruce Lee because most of it was developed after Lee's death.

[snowflake]

Hello, I used to do a little JKD. There are two main schools, the Concepts School and the Original School. The Original school is what Bruce Lee's first students from Oakland teach. It is mainly Jun Fan kung fu -- a modified form of wing chun with borrowed concepts from western boxing, western fencing and white crane kung fu. Ted Wong would probably be among its leaders. After he left Oakland/San Francisco, Bruce Lee moved to Los Angeles and continued his own personal martial arts evolution there. The Concepts school is led by Fil-Am Dan Inosanto, Bruce Lee's training partner. It has a research and development approach that studies anything useful it can find in any martial art. It's curriculum includes Filipino martial arts, muay thai, savate, boxing, bjj, grappling, etc. It seems like a lot, but students gravitate towards a few arts and specialize in them. Their aim is to be efficient in every range of combat. JKD Concepts is much more popular and, honestly speaking, much more respected. In my opinion, JKD Concepts is actually more Dan Inosanto than Bruce Lee because most of it was developed after Lee's death.

Yeah it is true that Oakland started teaching JKD, but the thing really started in the Los Angeles Chinatown School (LA Chinatown for the fans). Bruce coined JKD while he was there in LA utilizing fencing principles, then brought it to Oakland to keep them informed of the developments. He favored a Stop hit principle wherein it became the Cantonese translation of Jeet Kune Do (Way of the Stop hit fist)Bruce Lee and Ted Wong make periodic trips to Oakland to train in JKD.

 

Jeet Kune Do lost the flavor of Jun Fan Gung Fu since it did away with most of the Wing Chun retaining it to a status of a mere influence in the said art. It was Dan's own thing when he said JKD is Jun Fan Gung Fu. If you get to see Ted Wong which I was fortunate to meet and see his movements, you won't see any WC structure. JKD you could say is a long range boxing attack with non telegraphic fencing movements. Bruce realized he can't do a straight blast when that Chinese challenger kept running away from him and realized some pointers: endurance, adaptation to the opponent's range using footwork and boxing to further gape into the opponent's holes. Linear movements would not always be the key as WC is an advocate of, removing the limitation and adapt to the opponent like water is the key.

 

I remember attending a seminar abroad which quoted Bruce Lee in his book "Commentaries on the Martial Way" page 50 on mixing arts.

 

X is Jeet Kune Do

Y is the art you will represent

 

To represent and teach Y one should drill its members according to the preaching of Y.

 

This is the same with anyone who is qualiified and has been approved to represent X

 

To justify by interfusing X and Y is basically the denying of Y -------- but still calling it Y

 

A man, as you put it, is one who is noble to stick to the road he has chosen.

 

A garden of rose will yield rose, and a garden of violets will yield violets.

 

[snowflake]

Hi Topher,

 

You could say concepts jkd is much respected because it got long into the limelight thanks to Dan. But we have to put the real JKD into the limelight too so as to inform the public as to what had been taught in the Oakland and LA Chinatown schools. I find the original JKD really cool and goes straight to the point on fighting.

 

Snow

[spetsnaz]

Spetsnaz: the kickboxing gym in merville is along vienna st. it's located in one of the houses, have not been able to check it out

sir, went to merville kanina to find the place, di ko hanap do you know the number of the house thanks :cool:

[ron9]

sir, went to merville kanina to find the place, di ko hanap do you know the number of the house thanks :cool:

will find out and post it asap

[spetsnaz]

will find out and post it asap

thanks bro :cool:

[topher]

Hi Topher,

 

You could say concepts jkd is much respected because it got long into the limelight thanks to Dan. But we have to put the real JKD into the limelight too so as to inform the public as to what had been taught in the Oakland and LA Chinatown schools. I find the original JKD really cool and goes straight to the point on fighting.

 

Snow

Hello Snowflake,

 

I think that both the Original School and the Concepts School represent "real" JKD. I personally prefer the concepts approach because it allows me to utilize the Jun Fan approach should that approach suit my attributes. The Jun Fan as taught by the Concepts school, like the Original School, only in passing resembles the "stereotypical" body structure of wing chun. I say stereotypical because I've seen traditional wing chun practitioners spar and they don't turn their toes in, lean backwards and keep their arms in a stiff centerline pose. The footwork does look more like fencing and the handwork more like boxing. The "modified" wing chun I've seen, ironically, is the one that tries to maintain the contrived "kung fu" look with turned in toes and locked in centre line stance. The Jun Fan that I remember from the Concepts school was devided into three areas: Jun Fan kickboxing; Jun Fan Trapping; and Jun Fan grappling. Like the original school, the concepts school concentrate heavily on equipment use, especially the focus mits, and on energy drills like chi sau. The aim was non-telegraphic strikes, moving into your opponent, bridging and then going for a takedown. Unlike traditional wing chun, I never did learn the three forms or set mook jong forms. What I like about the Concepts School is that once I had it set in my mind that I didn't like the Jun Fan approach, I could branch out and explore other arts and find what was useful for me. My personal problem with "non-telegraphic" strikes, was that I was almost always able to tell what strikes were coming and when against an opponent trying to be deceptive. At the same time, I found that all that "non-telegraphic movement" really sacrificed a lot of power in that little momentum was generated from the hips, feet or shoulder rotation. Different strokes for different folks, I respect everyone willing to devote time to training in any art, martial or not. I don't mean any disrespect. But, I admit freely that one of the reasons I was so attracted to the Concepts School was because Dan Inosanto was of Filipino lineage.

[snowflake]

Hello Snowflake,

 

At the same time, I found that all that "non-telegraphic movement" really sacrificed a lot of power in that little momentum was generated from the hips, feet or shoulder rotation. Different strokes for different folks, I respect everyone willing to devote time to training in any art, martial or not. I don't mean any disrespect. But, I admit freely that one of the reasons I was so attracted to the Concepts School was because Dan Inosanto was of Filipino lineage.

Hi Topher,

 

I totally disagree with you about the decrease in power. JKD though non-traditional approach had traditional teachers who will determine whom to trust their teachings. There are so many charlatans who claim they knew JKD but never really got the whole idea. Bruce mentioned about "hacking away the unessentials", that's the whole point. Just practice the same old movement until you get perfect until you go to the next level, that's why Bruce's chinatown school never had permanent students. Original JKD is boring really, but once you know the heart of the art, it wouldn't be and you would just "make tiyaga" and perfect the simple movement to make it effective in combat like footwork. I saw students of Wong and the 2nd generation students under Wong who could tear my arm while holding the pads for them. They still uphold Lee's policy of closing the windows thing to whom they cannot feel is in believe their movement.

 

If you believe that concepts and original is similar, I just won't buy that. I attended a seminar held by a student of Dan and it doesn't connect to the original teachings in Chinatown LA. For a fact, even the early students of Dan in jkd concepts like Chris Kent and Tim Tackett went to chinatown students and learned the real jkd and stuck with it .

 

Let's just accept the fact Dan evolved and there is the Bruce Lee Educational Foundation who will point out who teaches the real JKD.

 

Snow

 

Snow

[prito_bandido]

Hi Guys,

Snowflake,i envy you for being able to see(or should i say feel) first hand the power of JKD.That is one of the most effective ways of converting or convincing people that what they have is not just all talk and theory. But i guess as Topher said,different strokes for different folks. There are those who like to stay true to the original and there are those who likes to go on a different path and evolve from the original. I see no problem in both, there should be no conflict. It gives more choices to the practitioners out there and enable them to find out what is good for them.I am fascinated with JKD and i guess i have to see both Original and Concept JKD to really be able to say what is best for me.I have only seen JKD from a video by this guy who supposedly once taught the navy seals JKD and it started me in my fascination with the art. Hope i can meet you guys one of these days and maybe you both can give me and others who are also interested some idea on the art of JKD. More power to you guys..... :mtc:

[topher]

Hello Snowflake and Prito Bandido,

 

I didn't say that non-telegraphic punches had little power, or were not effective. I said that they sacrificed power to be non-telegraphic. This is physics and martial arts are still ruled by the laws of physics. I've both seen and felt the power of original jkd, maybe not Ted Wong, but I have seen and held the focus mit for Lamar Davis. Yes, his punch would have hurt. But honestly, the punch from the 20 year old boxer, rotating his shoulder, turning his waist and stepping in with all his weight felt a lot harder. Boxers and kickboxers try not to telegraph their punches so they can land them. But, when they need to finish somebody who is dazed, they willingly telegraph their punches to gain the added power that goes through raised hands.

 

If the Supreme Court of the United States came out tomorrow with a ruling that the Concepts school was not real jkd, I would raise a glass of champagne and send Guro Dan Inosanto a congratulatory e-mail telling him to finally name the style he does whatever he wants just as long as it is identified with him. JKD is just a name. I've never been a fan of Bruce Lee. The only time I tune out what Dan is saying is when he tells old stories about Bruce Lee. I couldn't care less. Maybe you're right Snowflake, maybe the concepts school isn't the real thing. But I would continue to support the man who really popularized the concept of cross-training for martial artists.

 

BTW, Prito Bandido, that seals guys you were talking about who taught JKD to the seals was a guy named Frank Cucci, Guro Dan's student. If you look at the jkd instructors who are teaching the police and military, names like Steve Grody and Paul Vunak, you'll find that they're all Guro Dan's students. If you look at the world of sports combatives and see which jkd students has done well in mixed martial arts, you'll see the name of Eric Paulson, another student of Guro Dan.