tomagants Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Ang problema sa mga rebolusyonaryong komunista, hindi sila matatapos hanggat hindi nauubos o nababawasan ng lubos ang mga mandarambong at mapang-abuso sa gobyerno. Hanggat marami pa rin ang mga socio-economico-political issues ang hindi inaa-adress o sinosolusyunan ng gobyerno, magpapatuloy ang mga kontra-gobyernong propaganda ng mga komunista. Malaking problema din and perang dumadaloy sa kilusan. Maliban sa every 3 years na money-making scheme nila dahil sa lokal na eleksyon, marami pa rin ang nahihikayat na sumali s CPP-NPA-NDF dahil sa revolutionary tax system nila. Tulad ng mga local terrorists sa mindanao, ang CPP-NPA-NDF ay tumatanggap din ng tulong pinansyal sa maraming komunistang bansa at pro-communist entities. Pero mas malaking problema ang lumalakas at organisadong alyansa ng CPP-NPA-NDF sa mga rebeldeng Moro. Ang NPA ay may special unit para sa mga miyembro nilang Muslim. Ang CPP-NPA-NDF ay isang kumplikado at sensitibong problema na nangangailangan ng whole-of-government approach. In a nutshell I will agree to this comment si tatay Digong tama sa punto na sya ang naging mayor sa davao. Pero Hindi naging mayor sa Negros sa Central Luzon at maraming bayan sa pilipinas. Sa ngayon tahimik ang Hukbo sa Bundok. Huwag maliitin pilipino din ang mga ito kasali sila sa pag unlad at pag lubog ng bansa.. Dito malalaman natin ang liderto ni tatay Digong. Kalabanin ba para matapos ang lahat. I believe in all aspects staging a war nobody is winner... in all its intirety... History repeats itself when nobody listens... Quote Link to comment
tk421 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Yun na nga. The best way to end a war: remove their reason for fighting. Pero kung laging giyera, wala talagang patutunguan tayo nyan. Kung takagang mahal ni digong mga sundalo nya, eh di humanap ng paraan para maging mapayapat hindi kelanganin ng magpadala ng sundalo at all. Quote Link to comment
Kingkongphils Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Politically, comunism is already dead. Ung NPA ngyn just my opinion are all bandits nlng. They just plainly allow themselves to be paid political anarchist nlng. Kaya unless there will be unity in politics hindi na mawawala yan. Pero hangang dyn nlng yan. Threat pa dn sila in a way dahil nga sila ang takbuhan pag gustong mang gulo ng other political camp. Kita mo nung presidente si AbNoy e d sila nang gugulo, ngyn active na active sila. Pano asa payroll sila ng LP Quote Link to comment
tk421 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) It shows how biased you are and keen on blaming the yellows on anything and everything. Na mismong mga NPA activities prior to Duterte na filter out mo sa utak mo. Try to google NPA attack then the year before 2016. Hell... do one better and google it with a month para mas malinaw how often these incidents happen. Mukhang active na active sila ngayon kasi yun ang gusto mo paniwalaan, hindi dahil sa tahimik sila dati. And in my opinion true communism isnt even their ultimate goal. I rather think they just want social reform that is fair to all. Its just that the word communism serves as a romantic draw for recruits as it embodies the extreme end of what theyre trying to achieve. Edited January 5, 2018 by tk421 Quote Link to comment
Kingkongphils Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 It shows how biased you are and keen on blaming the yellows on anything and everything. Na mismong mga NPA activities prior to Duterte na filter out mo sa utak mo. Try to google NPA attack then the year before 2016. Hell... do one better and google it with a month para mas malinaw how often these incidents happen. Mukhang active na active sila ngayon kasi yun ang gusto mo paniwalaan, hindi dahil sa tahimik sila dati. And in my opinion true communism isnt even their ultimate goal. I rather think they just want social reform that is fair to all. Its just that the word communism serves as a romantic draw for recruits as it embodies the extreme end of what theyre trying to achieve.Considering that duterta admin is just 2 years in power and in that two years may peace talks pa. Npa has killed more govenment troops than in the previous.Like I said, they are just political anarchist. So let me rephrase, the are on every politicians bidding payroll. Even duterte admitedly paid revolutionary taxes Quote Link to comment
Kingkongphils Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 As far as the government is concerned, they are terrorists. Thats so you can put the fear of God in them. Honestly, if I were in power mind using the brand new fighter planes on them. Para magkaroon ng tapang mga pilipino... AND Then we declare war with China para magkaalaman kng sinong mga pilipino ang mareklamo lang talaga o ung "ang mamatay ng dahil syo" Quote Link to comment
tk421 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Well... to the government of the Philippines in the 19th century, people such as Rizal, del Pilar, Bonifacio et al were also considered terrorists. It just depends on one’s point of view. Quote Link to comment
tk421 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Considering that duterta admin is just 2 years in power and in that two years may peace talks pa. Npa has killed more govenment troops than in the previous.Like I said, they are just political anarchist. So let me rephrase, the are on every politicians bidding payroll. Even duterte admitedly paid revolutionary taxesPeace talks doesn’t mean anything if you don’t go through with it. If one is committed to peace, one doesn’t stop it mid-way. I’m curious as where you got the data that the NPA has killed more in Dut’s time than other president’s administration. And yes, it may seem anarchy to you, but maybe it just seems that way because none of the past and present admin has really done anything to address the issues they are fighting for (whatever that is). Quote Link to comment
tk421 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Notice it suddenly became convenient for you when you term the legitimate government of the archipelago during that period as Colonial government? But it’s still technically the government of the Philippines (or Filipinas) unless it was not called by such name then. Quote Link to comment
tk421 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 GoogleHumor me. Please present a side by side data that said more government troops were killed during Duterte’s time than in any past administrations. Quote Link to comment
Kingkongphils Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Humor me. Please present a side by side data that said more government troops were killed during Dutertes time than in any past administrations.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_CPPNPANDF_rebellion Quote Link to comment
Maykeee Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 To guys who are underestimating the capability of the communist revolutionaries and their threat to the Philippine sovereignty, i think you should not. The structure of the CPP-NPA-NDF is similar to a government. CPP is the political party, NPA is the armed unit while the NDF is the government. Wag nating kalimutan na dalawang pakikibaka ang sabay nilang isinasakatuparan, ang tinatawag na RED area movement at WHITE area movement. Sa RED area, ito ung tinatawag na ARMED STRUGGLE (through the CPP-NPA-NDF) samantalang ang WHITE AREA, ito yung tinatawag na PARLIAMENTARY SRUGGLE (through their legal fronts such as BAYAN, Anakbayan, Anakpawis and other affiliated sectoral groups). Totoong mukha talaga silang watak-watak, mahina at walang intensyong agawin ang demokratikong gobyerno na meron tayo. Pero, hindi naman sila nagmamadali. Wala silang itinakdang time frame na pwersahang aagawin ang kapangyarihan sa takdang panahon. Inaantay lang nilang tuluyang humina ang gobyerno at malaking pabor sa kanila kung tayo ay magkakaroon kahit ng pansamantalang giyera-sibil. HIndi umalis si Joma Sison para magtago lang sa Netherlands kundi para kumalap ng pandaigdigang suporta at pondo. Si Joma ang namumuno sa International League of Peoples' Struggle (ILPS) na binubuo ng maraming progresibong grupo at kilusan sa buong mundo. Ang ILPS ay naitatag noong 2001 at si Crispin Beltran na isang Pilipinong Komunista ang founding Chairperson. Totoong walang patutunguhan ang peace talks sa kanila dahil wala naman silang intensyon na makipag-ayos. Nakikipagusap sila para pansamantalang hindi tugisin ng pamahalaan. At napatunayan yan nung sinubukan ni PNoy na kausapin sila sa simula ng kanyang termino. Bakit malakas sila sa kanayunan at malalayong probinsya? hindi lang dahil sa mga corrupt na opisyal ng lokal na pamahalaan kundi dahil hindi nakakaabot ng mabuti ang mga pampublikong serbisyo sa mga maralitang kababayan natin sa mga liblib na probinsya. Dagdag pa dito ay ang takot na hatid nila sa ating mga kababayan. Ang problema sa communist movement ng PIlipinas ay nag-ugat at lumago ito dahil sa mga maling polisiya at desisyon ng mga naunang administrasyon at hindi ito basta-basta maglalaho. Ang pagpatay sa kanila ay isang maling desisyon dahil hindi naman talaga sila mapapatay lahat. Totoong wala tayong magagawa sa total eradication nila pero marami tayong magagawa upang i-discourage sila at i-prevent ang pagdami nila. Hindi na kulay pulitika ang problema dito kundi ang ating pambansang pagkakabuklod-buklod at malasakit sa mga less fortunate nating mga kababayan sa rural areas. Tulad sa huling punto ko sa nauna kong post, iyong tinatawag na whole-of-government approach ang pinaka-posibleng solusyon sa kanila at sa marami pang pambansang suliranin pero ang katotohanan ay hindi ito kasing posible tulad ng iniisip natin. Quote Link to comment
Kingkongphils Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 To guys who are underestimating the capability of the communist revolutionaries and their threat to the Philippine sovereignty, i think you should not. The structure of the CPP-NPA-NDF is similar to a government. CPP is the political party, NPA is the armed unit while the NDF is the government. Wag nating kalimutan na dalawang pakikibaka ang sabay nilang isinasakatuparan, ang tinatawag na RED area movement at WHITE area movement. Sa RED area, ito ung tinatawag na ARMED STRUGGLE (through the CPP-NPA-NDF) samantalang ang WHITE AREA, ito yung tinatawag na PARLIAMENTARY SRUGGLE (through their legal fronts such as BAYAN, Anakbayan, Anakpawis and other affiliated sectoral groups). Totoong mukha talaga silang watak-watak, mahina at walang intensyong agawin ang demokratikong gobyerno na meron tayo. Pero, hindi naman sila nagmamadali. Wala silang itinakdang time frame na pwersahang aagawin ang kapangyarihan sa takdang panahon. Inaantay lang nilang tuluyang humina ang gobyerno at malaking pabor sa kanila kung tayo ay magkakaroon kahit ng pansamantalang giyera-sibil. HIndi umalis si Joma Sison para magtago lang sa Netherlands kundi para kumalap ng pandaigdigang suporta at pondo. Si Joma ang namumuno sa International League of Peoples' Struggle (ILPS) na binubuo ng maraming progresibong grupo at kilusan sa buong mundo. Ang ILPS ay naitatag noong 2001 at si Crispin Beltran na isang Pilipinong Komunista ang founding Chairperson. Totoong walang patutunguhan ang peace talks sa kanila dahil wala naman silang intensyon na makipag-ayos. Nakikipagusap sila para pansamantalang hindi tugisin ng pamahalaan. At napatunayan yan nung sinubukan ni PNoy na kausapin sila sa simula ng kanyang termino. Bakit malakas sila sa kanayunan at malalayong probinsya? hindi lang dahil sa mga corrupt na opisyal ng lokal na pamahalaan kundi dahil hindi nakakaabot ng mabuti ang mga pampublikong serbisyo sa mga maralitang kababayan natin sa mga liblib na probinsya. Dagdag pa dito ay ang takot na hatid nila sa ating mga kababayan. Ang problema sa communist movement ng PIlipinas ay nag-ugat at lumago ito dahil sa mga maling polisiya at desisyon ng mga naunang administrasyon at hindi ito basta-basta maglalaho. Ang pagpatay sa kanila ay isang maling desisyon dahil hindi naman talaga sila mapapatay lahat. Totoong wala tayong magagawa sa total eradication nila pero marami tayong magagawa upang i-discourage sila at i-prevent ang pagdami nila. Hindi na kulay pulitika ang problema dito kundi ang ating pambansang pagkakabuklod-buklod at malasakit sa mga less fortunate nating mga kababayan sa rural areas. Tulad sa huling punto ko sa nauna kong post, iyong tinatawag na whole-of-government approach ang pinaka-posibleng solusyon sa kanila at sa marami pang pambansang suliranin pero ang katotohanan ay hindi ito kasing posible tulad ng iniisip natin.True, but the bigger threat are muslim extremist. Siguro dati nung panahon ni Marcos. But now, I dont see how they can over throw a government. Mas madaming nahahakot na new recruit ang Muslim extrimist. Ever since the begining of time the belief in religion is way stronger than the belief of politics Quote Link to comment
tk421 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_CPPNPANDF_rebellionThe link does not work. Even if it did, it’s a wiki page. Anybody and everybody can do edits on that so it’s far from being a reliable source of information. Quote Link to comment
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