Poll: Bongbong Marcos Vs Leni Robredo

[Gtayo11]

Although echo chambers can be dangerous and your own views and research should be important, you can simply look at your personal circle the market of these candidates.

For me: eh kung sa isang side medyo wide yung range at matitino students, seniors, workers or business owners vs. 30-50 range mga tambay, palagi may incidents sa work at naniniwala sa kung ano anong conspiracy sourceless videos then choice should be obvious. Not even dropping which is for which 😉

[Jogzvira10]

For me solid north tayo pero taga south tayo., Ayaw konsa pink.. hajaja

[Vince3]

On 10/7/2021 at 12:32 PM, camiar said:

I have watched Ferdinand Marcos Jr.'s interviews on the matter. He acknowledged that there were crimes and abuses made by the military during Martial Law. He added that they were not part of the policies of his father. What more recognition do you need?

And you're right. He should not apologize for something  he did not have control over.

Yeah, saying that its not part of his father's policy is clearly washing his father's hands. I definitely need more recognition.

It was under his martial law, under his leadership and policies that made way for these abuses occured.

Trials of plunder wherein his family is found guilty in both local and international justice system. How about this? This is already directly sa family.

 

He is basically saying that their father didnt do any crimes. Thats why back to my question and lets make it simpler, do you guys dont believe that he didnt steal billions of dollars from our country? Or do you believe it but still believes in bbm. Again, my problem, bbm is not his father and total denial

[camiar]

On 10/11/2021 at 12:53 PM, Vince3 said:

Yeah, saying that its not part of his father's policy is clearly washing his father's hands. I definitely need more recognition.

It was under his martial law, under his leadership and policies that made way for these abuses occured.

Trials of plunder wherein his family is found guilty in both local and international justice system. How about this? This is already directly sa family.

 

He is basically saying that their father didnt do any crimes. Thats why back to my question and lets make it simpler, do you guys dont believe that he didnt steal billions of dollars from our country? Or do you believe it but still believes in bbm. Again, my problem, bbm is not his father and total denial

From 1986 to 2021 -- that's 35 long years of trying to prove the alleged crimes and stolen billions. Was the justice system suppressed during the past 35 years that it failed to prove the Marcoses guilty of the crimes and the purported billions of dollars worth of wealth still to be found?

If you care to look at cases that were filed against them for which the prosecution won, they're civil cases with values so insignificantly small compared to their claims of massive tens of billions of dollars. No murder, torture, rape, or human rights abuses were ever proven. Most possibly because the charges were false or the prosecutors filed the the criminal cases against the wrong people. 

I used to be anti-Marcos during the People Power era. I used to believe the yellow movement narratives and fully supported Cory Aquino. But years later, as more facts came to light, I began to see the hypocrisy and ineptness of the yellow regime and became convinced that the narrative I naively believed were mostly lies.

Then I moved on. Now I base my decision on hard facts, not on irrelevant propaganda. 

[Harding]

ano meron kay BBM para iboto ko sya?

[boompanot1]

BBM

[camiar]

3 hours ago, Harding said:

ano meron kay BBM para iboto ko sya?

You already have declared your support for Leni as presidential candidate. 

So I take it that you're baiting people in this forum to post something about BBM's platform so you can demolish it.

Try this one.

BBM shares his father's vision and is now presenting it as his platform for his presidential campaign. He intend to follow the same concept and blueprint of his late father's Nation Building program, but adding to it his proposed development and transformation plans in  digital technology arena.

Watch this video. You're free to poke holes in it, and prove to us that this is just an empty vision as  compared to your candidate's platform.

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by camiar

[Harding]

31 minutes ago, camiar said:

You already have declared your support for Leni as presidential candidate. 

So I take it that you're baiting people in this forum to post something about BBM's platform so you can demolish it.

Try this one.

BBM shares his father's vision and is now presenting it as his platform for his presidential campaign. He intend to follow the same concept and blueprint of his late father's Nation Building program, but adding to it his proposed development and transformation plans in  digital technology arena.

Watch this video. You're free to poke holes in it, and prove to us that this is just an empty vision as  compared to your candidate's platform.

 

thnx for BBM  and FM vision. as you can see, BBM is much different from his father..FM is  law board topnother and a decorated soldier (still under question), Senate President and a famous dictator as presented in different history books. Even if he BBM wants to imitate the vision of his father, we cannot expect him that he can do that because of his limited mental capacity. we all know that he is a school drop out.

 

[camiar]

2 hours ago, Harding said:

thnx for BBM  and FM vision. as you can see, BBM is much different from his father..FM is  law board topnother and a decorated soldier (still under question), Senate President and a famous dictator as presented in different history books. Even if he BBM wants to imitate the vision of his father, we cannot expect him that he can do that because of his limited mental capacity. we all know that he is a school drop out.

 

I will not continue to engage you in an intelligent discussion if you start it with ad hominem. So forget about your false imagination about his mental capacity. I assume you're beyond high school level in education and know about genetics. BBM has 50% of the genes of his father. If you really watched the video, you would see how articulate he is on the issues he presented. His voice even sounds a lot like his father. I'm sure even if he's just half as good as his father, he's more than adequate to be our President.

No ad hominems, please.

Let's stick to the issues. We're talking about the vision and platform of governance he presented. There were several of them in the video. Which one do you want to discuss first for comparison with Leni's platform?

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by camiar

[tk421]

BBM has built his legacy on lies upon lies upon lies. The only reason people will vote for him is because of idolatry or a false sense of nostalgia. 

 

Case in point: Did you know he was the Taekwondo champion in 2001 for THE MILO LITTLE OLYMPICS? Checkout his website at www.bongbongmarcos.com/executive and go to Sports. It true.

 

It either means he's a liar or he beat up a kid in 2001, as he was already 44 at the time. 

[Gtayo11]

 

4 hours ago, tk421 said:

BBM has built his legacy on lies upon lies upon lies. The only reason people will vote for him is because of idolatry or a false sense of nostalgia. 

 

Case in point: Did you know he was the Taekwondo champion in 2001 for THE MILO LITTLE OLYMPICS? Checkout his website at www.bongbongmarcos.com/executive and go to Sports. It true.

 

It either means he's a liar or he beat up a kid in 2001, as he was already 44 at the time. 

Just checked the site mismo. Wow. Seesh even my fresh grad/eager to land a job cv a few years ago didn’t include my sports accomplishments at totoo pa malalagay ko 😅

Edited October 14, 2021 by Gtayo11
Typos and sentence structure

[camiar]

On 10/14/2021 at 1:54 PM, tk421 said:

BBM has built his legacy on lies upon lies upon lies. The only reason people will vote for him is because of idolatry or a false sense of nostalgia. 

 

Case in point: Did you know he was the Taekwondo champion in 2001 for THE MILO LITTLE OLYMPICS? Checkout his website at www.bongbongmarcos.com/executive and go to Sports. It true.

 

It either means he's a liar or he beat up a kid in 2001, as he was already 44 at the time. 

So your reference to Milo Little Olympics was fake news? Similar to the Emergency Alert flash broadcast?

Dirty tactics like these happens, part of the desperate smear campaign of Leni's supporters.

Thanks for pointing it out. But voters are more aware now of the LP-style dirty tactics. They have no longer have any credibility.  

[Pen15]

I am saying NO to the one who declared independent but yellows all behind the curtain.

[abduljackolsalsalani]

If I had a choice, I will just abstain. Both candidates seems to have their own selfish agenda.

One who may be  a reflection of his father and who may perpetuate the abuses or who may rectify the wrong doings of his parents and attempt to redeem the family name and honor. If a former communist rebel leader and a fallen brave female senator see the good in him, he may be really be good or just pretending to be so.

The other a simple lady who may be a puppet driven by her former political party. I was turned off when she stated her reason for running for the presidency. It was not for the Filipino people but it was from a remark by another aspirant who praised the good quality of a fallen dictator. I believe that no person is purely evil. As evil as he appears to be, there were great projects that he had planned  or finished that we still benefit from today. She seems to be honest or maybe pretending so. 

Only time can tell.

I hope we don't resort back to a martial law before the election in a last ditch effort by the current administration.

[plug]

Pink Leni masasabing may malasakit sa mamamayan at bansang Pilipinas pero hindi masasabi na siya ay isang leader.

BBM anak ng isang leader at kung sakaling maupo na pangulo ay bubuwagin niya ang PCGG para matigil ang pag recover sa ill gotten wealth at papalitan ng Commission on Revisionism. Marami pa rin kasing mga mamamayan na kulang ang kaalaman sa 20 years na rule ng ama niyang si FM. Kung may nare recover ibig sabihin may ninakaw.

At ang tunay na opposition ay kaming Pilipinong butante dahil sa eleksyon 2022 tututulan namin na maulit ang mali, mapangabuso at di makatarungan pamamalakad ng gobyerno past and present.