Poll: Bongbong Marcos Vs Leni Robredo

[pinpoint015]

If Leni wins and no recount happens, I will, personally, not recognize her as the VP. It's my choice naman. Pero kung nagrecount, at sya talaga ang VP, then she is the VP. Yun lang naman ang hinihingi ng mga tao. Recount to see if may hocus pocus ngang nangyari. Kung ako kay Leni, papayag din ako sa recount since pag walang recount, ang tingin sa kanya ng mga tao (not necessarily eveyone), nandaya sya. Atleast kung may recount, pwede nyang sabihin na "see, it's me who really won."

[Simikiel]

If Leni wins and no recount happens, I will, personally, not recognize her as the VP. It's my choice naman. Pero kung nagrecount, at sya talaga ang VP, then she is the VP. Yun lang naman ang hinihingi ng mga tao. Recount to see if may hocus pocus ngang nangyari. Kung ako kay Leni, papayag din ako sa recount since pag walang recount, ang tingin sa kanya ng mga tao (not necessarily eveyone), nandaya sya. Atleast kung may recount, pwede nyang sabihin na "see, it's me who really won."

Sir, there can be no recount as of now, because the official canvassing of votes for president and the vice president will commence on may 25 via a joint session of Congress. The result we are seeing now is unofficial, though pareho lang ng pinagmulan ng data. Robredo already agreed for a systems audit of the automated election, she's echoing the call of her closest pursuer, instead of just waiting for the official canvassing of votes and then thru legal maneuvers just threw obstacle upon obstacle once she got declared formally as VP. She's not afraid of systems audit because she knew she won the VP election fair and square.

[asongitim]

If Leni won, as she claims, then she should support the call for a manual counting of the votes. She may not be afraid of a systems audit because the system has already been compromised. A manual counting of the votes in the VP race, as teddyboy locsin has called for, will allow the winner, whoever he or she is, to claim a mandate from the voters.

[Simikiel]

Yung post ko na may 25, should be changed to may 23. My mistake.

[hellyeah1]

Humihiling ng manual recount wala pa nga yung official result from the congress (upper & lower house). Hintayin muna ang resulta then saka mag file ng kaso sa Comelec para sa recount-recount na iyan. Yan ang tamang proseso! Kahit anong ngawa ni Bobong Marcos sa media at Social media walang mangyayari.

[hellyeah1]

Dagdag impormasyon :

 

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/784014/faq-2016-philippine-national-and-local-elections

 

Item number 6 SC lang ang may hurisdiksyon para sa mga protesta posisyon ng Pangulo at Pangalawang Pangulo.

[pinpoint015]

Sir, there can be no recount as of now, because the official canvassing of votes for president and the vice president will commence on may 25 via a joint session of Congress. The result we are seeing now is unofficial, though pareho lang ng pinagmulan ng data. Robredo already agreed for a systems audit of the automated election, she's echoing the call of her closest pursuer, instead of just waiting for the official canvassing of votes and then thru legal maneuvers just threw obstacle upon obstacle once she got declared formally as VP. She's not afraid of systems audit because she knew she won the VP election fair and square.

Yes, I know naman na May 23 pa. Basta ako, after proclamation (which is after the official canvassing and counting), dapat may recount. Para na rin sigurado. Basta may recount, whoever wins, he/she is the Vice President. Just that simple. At least di ko tinatawag na "Bobong Marcos" ang isang Senator.

[Simikiel]

Yes, I know naman na May 23 pa. Basta ako, after proclamation (which is after the official canvassing and counting), dapat may recount. Para na rin sigurado. Basta may recount, whoever wins, he/she is the Vice President. Just that simple. At least di ko tinatawag na "Bobong Marcos" ang isang Senator.

I think that after the proclamation of the vp, there will be a case filed by the 2nd placer for a recount. In fact, i'm going to bet everything that I have that there would be an election protest. Whoever wins will win by less than 300k votes, and we are talking about at least 25M votes casted. The protest is expected, pero bago humirit ng kung anu ano, kesyo may magic, may dayaan, may plan b, baka naman pwede intayin official canvassing. Sabagay, alam na ni BBM resulta nyan,kaya puro smokescreen at muddling the issue. Sige, pag si BBM ipinroklama na nanalo, ay di sya na. Di ako hihirit na nadaya si robredo. Lunes pa lang ng may 9, alam na ni BBM kung sino nanalo sa pagka VP. Matigas na election lawyer ang abugado nya ha, si brillantes. Alam ni brillantes lahat ng pwede nya gawin para sa kliyente nya. Even before, kasama sa big 4 election lawyers si brillantes. Sila ni macalintal, cuadra, Nalimutan ko kung sino yung ISA. As early as may 10, alam na namin na si leni nanalo, pero Hindi nandaya. LR, is the winner of the VP elections, she won it fairly and squarely.

[Sigesige]

Sa mga nagcocoment na provide evidence bago mag file case. I am not sure kung anti marcos kayo or bo** lang. The fact na ginalaw yung script pwede na tong basehan na dapat i audit ang buong system. Ganyan sa IT, dun mismo sa server pwede makita ang proof na walang ibang ginalaw. Ipakita nila yung old at new script kung ano yung naging pagkakaiba sa luma at bago. Hindi mo pwede dayain yun dahil meron yan date kung kelan nabago ang file. Pag hindi maprovide yun ng comelec that means meron talaga sila ginawa para mandaya.

Edited May 19, 2016 by nullandvoid

[Sigesige]

There is a deliberate attempt kase naunahan na e. Yun kase ang basis ng conclusion, hindi ebidensiya- napakababaw naman ng argument na to.

There is cheating kase pagtulog ko lamang kandidato ko, pag-gising ko naghahabol na- babaw rin nito.

There is cheating kase something is fishy after BBM's lead is systematically reduced- babaw rin nitong conclusion na to.

There is cheating kase someone tampered with the program, says an unnamed IT exper kuno- babaw rin nito, speculation as usual.

There is cheating kase si Leni administration party- babaw din as usual, anong basis?

Ther is cheating kase kailangan manalo si Leni para plan B kay Duterte- babaw rin nito, speculative and without basis?

So anong logical basis mo para sabihin niyong may cheating? Konting isip naman diyan?

 

Dun sa tampered program, hindi yun mababaw. kung di ka IT shut up na lang din. Kaya nga nagrequest ng audit para makita talaga kung anong binago sa system.

[Misteryotao]

If Leni won, as she claims, then she should support the call for a manual counting of the votes. She may not be afraid of a systems audit because the system has already been compromised. A manual counting of the votes in the VP race, as teddyboy locsin has called for, will allow the winner, whoever he or she is, to claim a mandate from the voters.

I don't think it is necessary for us to request a "manual" recount. The official count will tally the digital data against the election returns. There is no need for us to request a "manual" recount.

 

Am i against to a recount? No, i think it's necessary to have a recount. If we don't do a recount. People will never let this issue of cheating put to rest.

[Misteryotao]

Sa mga nagcocoment na provide evidence bago mag file case. I am not sure kung anti marcos kayo or bo** lang. The fact na ginalaw yung script pwede na tong basehan na dapat i audit ang buong system. Ganyan sa IT, dun mismo sa server pwede makita ang proof na walang ibang ginalaw. Ipakita nila yung old at new script kung ano yung naging pagkakaiba sa luma at bago. Hindi mo pwede dayain yun dahil meron yan date kung kelan nabago ang file. Pag hindi maprovide yun ng comelec that means meron talaga sila ginawa para mandaya.

Again what was tampered is the transparency server. There are three servers in this electoral process. In which, each server are independent from each other. If the transparency server is tampered, it shouldn't affect the central server of comelec and server the congress is going to use. I been stressing this, we should focus less on the transparency server. Because that server has no bearing in proclaiming the winners in this elections. What we need to monitor are the election returns and central server and congress server. Because those are the things you need to tampered in order to cheat. If i going to cheat, why would i tamper the transparency server? It's not going to win me the election. So why would they touch that server.

Edited May 19, 2016 by Misteryotao

[PoeticBee]

Again what was tampered is the transparency server. There are three servers in this electoral process. In which, each server are independent from each other. If the transparency server is tampered, it shouldn't affect the central server of comelec and server the congress is going to use. I been stressing this, we should focus less on the transparency server. Because that server has no bearing in proclaiming the winners in this elections. What we need to monitor are the election returns and central server and congress server. Because those are the things you need to tampered in order to cheat. If i going to cheat, why would i tamper the transparency server? It's not going to win me the election. So why would they touch that server.

 

I agree 100%.

[Sigesige]

Theres no deliberate attempt.

Bbm loyalist are just conditioning the mind of the people.

Present evidence kung meron talaga basis sinasabi niyo, otherwise shut up.

Yan ang problema e puro tsismis tsismis tsismis! Wala naman proof! Parang kwentuhang lasing lang sa kalsada e.

Meron daw nangyari, e asan ebidensiya mo? Meron daw script na pinasok, e asan ebidensiya mo? Ganun na lang yun puro na lang dada, tapos ayaw magpakilala. Puro na lang dada tapos ayaw magpresent ng evidence?

Kahit nagnakaw ng manok e kailangan magpresent ka evidensiya dun sa suspect e, ano na lang yung VP race? Hahahah

Yellow spotted

[Sigesige]

I agree 100%.

Again what was tampered is the transparency server. There are three servers in this electoral process. In which, each server are independent from each other. If the transparency server is tampered, it shouldn't affect the central server of comelec and server the congress is going to use. I been stressing this, we should focus less on the transparency server. Because that server has no bearing in proclaiming the winners in this elections. What we need to monitor are the election returns and central server and congress server. Because those are the things you need to tampered in order to cheat. If i going to cheat, why would i tamper the transparency server? It's not going to win me the election. So why would they touch that server.

Madali lang din sabihin na yung transparency server lang binago. they can easily deploy what was done on the transparency server to the other. It can be done in less than a second. Ganun lang kabilis magprocess ang computer kaya pwede ang automated pandaraya. Kaya nga dapat full audit ang gagawin. Sa normal it environment pwede natin sabihin yung transparency server is the Dev. If nacompromise to sa mga hacker hindi mo ba ichecheck yung production mo kung nacompromise din which andun yung mga importanteng data?