South China/West Philippine Sea

[tk421]

Might as well learn Mandarin since they're not going away any time soon and we won't (or can't) protect our territories anyways.

 

Like it or not, they're our 'next-door' neighbors now.

[oscartamaguchiblackface]

Might as well learn Mandarin since they're not going away any time soon and we won't (or can't) protect our territories anyways.

 

Like it or not, they're our 'next-door' neighbors now.

Our only ace is the Mutual Defense Treaty with the United States. China is cognizant of this fact and this is probably the reason why it hasn't acted more aggressively than it already has. The most controversial thing China has done so far is put up infrastructure in some of the disputed islands. And of course, it continues to shoo away Filipino fishing vessels from the disputed area like they were pests.

[sonnyt111]

Might as well learn Mandarin since they're not going away any time soon and we won't (or can't) protect our territories anyways.

 

Like it or not, they're our 'next-door' neighbors now.

Fear thy neighbor.

[tk421]

Fear thy neighbor.

 

Oh, no worries: pretty soon they'll slowly creep inland too, and then they'll not be our neighbors anymore.

[sandy51]

There may be a lot of problems if ever China goes further and annexes the whole Philippines.

 

The economy would be controlled by the Chinese. The rich people would be Chinese and the Philippines would be flooded with made in China goods.

 

The Philippines might become something like Macau with so many casinos

 

The AFP Modernization Program may become academic. What happens now to that New York condo of some child whose parent benefits from this program?

 

Joma Sison and his NPA may lose their raison d’etre.

 

If ever a disaster hits the Philippines, the U.S. might not come in. That would be one less reason for a demonstration at the U.S embassy. What happens now to the jeepneys hired to ferry the demonstrators? And they might end up seeking political asylum in the U.S and this time demonstrate at the Chinese embassy in Washington D.C. A lot of Filipinos may also see this as a cue to seek political asylum in the U.S giving their own excuse.

 

The BBL might become academic and instead of Sabah annexing Mindanao it might become the other way around.

 

The cases of the Ampatuans, Gloria, Enrile, etc might be resolved and they might be executed.

 

The convicted drug lords would probably not be able to manufacture their drugs in prison anymore.

 

Divorce and family planning might become legal,

 

These are just some of the issues that come to my mind. Others are free to add.

[tk421]

There may be a lot of problems if ever China goes further and annexes the whole Philippines.

 

The economy would be controlled by the Chinese. The rich people would be Chinese and the Philippines would be flooded with made in China goods.

 

The Philippines might become something like Macau with so many casinos

 

The AFP Modernization Program may become academic. What happens now to that New York condo of some child whose parent benefits from this program?

 

Joma Sison and his NPA may lose their raison d’etre.

 

If ever a disaster hits the Philippines, the U.S. might not come in. That would be one less reason for a demonstration at the U.S embassy. What happens now to the jeepneys hired to ferry the demonstrators? And they might end up seeking political asylum in the U.S and this time demonstrate at the Chinese embassy in Washington D.C. A lot of Filipinos may also see this as a cue to seek political asylum in the U.S giving their own excuse.

 

The BBL might become academic and instead of Sabah annexing Mindanao it might become the other way around.

 

The cases of the Ampatuans, Gloria, Enrile, etc might be resolved and they might be executed.

 

The convicted drug lords would probably not be able to manufacture their drugs in prison anymore.

 

Divorce and family planning might become legal,

 

These are just some of the issues that come to my mind. Others are free to add.

If there's anything I'd give China credit for, it's their patience and ability to plan in the long term (coupled with their ability to distort reality).

 

That being said, the scenarios above may not play out that way since China annexation may take a while to take root and said scenarios above would have resolved by themselves or would have become obsolete by then.

 

The executions of corrupt politicians would please me to no end, but in reality China is just as corrupt as the Philippines but may not be as widely reported since they do control the media.

 

The NPA would still have their cause (as the Chinese government is perceived by them as an oppressor of the common people), but with China's harsh justice system, they might have a harder time organizing.

[Julianda]

 

The convicted drug lords would probably not be able to manufacture their drugs in prison anymore.

 

Divorce and family planning might become legal,

 

These are just some of the issues that come to my mind. Others are free to add.

 

So are abortion, prostitution, stealing, killing, etc.

[lomex32]

Chinese Foreign Ambassador stood firm on their claim on the disputed islands with their meeting with US State Sec John Kerry

[Bugatti Veyron]

Chinese Foreign Ambassador stood firm on their claim on the disputed islands with their meeting with US State Sec John Kerry

Which isn't surprising in the least. Given it's new-found wealth and prestige, China can now afford to defy the United States.

[tk421]

So given that China is a world superpower now, do we give in or do we fight?

[lomex32]

Kerry's answer is that their looking at China does not block passage on International waters e.g. trade routes etc. So in short, it is like US has allowed China to claim these islands ...

 

Which isn't surprising in the least. Given it's new-found wealth and prestige, China can now afford to defy the United States.

 

Looking at the U.S. stand, it seemed that they are not up for a fight for now.

Until we have something to stand against their big boats patrolling the disputed seas, we just might stand clear. During Catapang's visit in Pag-asa island it seemed the Chinese Navy stood still (baka may pinag-usapan na excuse me makikiraan po)

 

So given that China is a world superpower now, do we give in or do we fight?

Edited May 19, 2015 by lomex32

[Larry]

There may be a lot of problems if ever China goes further and annexes the whole Philippines.

 

The economy would be controlled by the Chinese. The rich people would be Chinese and the Philippines would be flooded with made in China goods.

 

The Philippines might become something like Macau with so many casinos

 

 

 

 

uhm

 

these things are already happening now.

[Bugatti Veyron]

These Chinese are really getting arrogant, even trying to bully the number one super power on earth. Before they even think of doing that, they should consider that they have no war-time experience while the US is a nation that has known nothing but war ever since it gained independence from England in the 18th century.

 

China navy warns U.S. spy plane in disputed South China Sea: CNN

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The Chinese navy warned a U.S. surveillance plane flying over artificial islands that Beijing is creating in the disputed South China Sea to leave the area eight times, according to CNN, which was on board the flight on Wednesday.

At one stage, after the American pilots responded by saying the plane was flying through international airspace, a Chinese radio operator said with exasperation: "This is the Chinese navy ... You go!"

The P8-A Poseidon, the U.S. military's most advanced surveillance aircraft, flew at 15,000 feet (4,500 meters) at its lowest point, CNN said.

The incident, along with recent Chinese warnings to Philippine military aircraft to leave areas around the Spratly archipelago in the South China Sea, suggests Beijing is trying to enforce a military exclusion zone above its new islands.

Some security experts worry about the risk of confrontation, especially after a U.S. official said last week the Pentagon was considering sending military aircraft and ships to assert freedom of navigation around the Chinese-made islands.

Footage taken by the P8-A Poseidon and aired by CNN showed a hive of construction and dredging activity on the new islands the plane flew over, as well as Chinese navy ships nearby.

CNN said it was the first time the Pentagon had declassified video of China's building activity and audio of challenges to a U.S. aircraft.

"We were just challenged 30 minutes ago and the challenge came from the Chinese navy," Captain Mike Parker, commander of U.S. surveillance aircraft deployed to Asia, told CNN aboard the flight.

"I'm highly confident it came from ashore, this facility here," Parker said, pointing to an early warning radar station on Fiery Cross Reef.

Military facilities on Fiery Cross Reef, including a 3,000-metre (10,000-foot) runway, could be operational by year's end, one U.S. commander recently told Reuters.

Asia's rising power China claims sovereignty over most of the South China Sea, through which $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei also have overlapping claims.

Foreign Minister Wang Yi last week asserted Beijing's sovereignty to reclaim the reefs, saying China's determination to protect its interests was "as hard as a rock".

China has also said it had every right to set up an Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the South China Sea but that current conditions did not warrant one.

ADIZs are used by some nations to extend control beyond national borders, requiring civilian and military aircraft to identify themselves or face possible military interception.

During the P8-A mission, the pilot of a Delta Air Line flight in the area spoke on the same frequency after hearing the Chinese challenges, and identified himself as commercial. The Chinese voice reassured the pilot and the Delta flight went on its way, CNN said.

(Writing by Dean Yates; Editing by Paul Tait)

[FleurDeLune]

Growing rift between US and China

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkKVu0WU0zo

[camiar]

So given that China is a world superpower now, do we give in or do we fight?

 

We don't have to give in. We don't have to fight.

 

We need to strengthen ourselves to earn our neighbors' respect so we can have a dignified co-existence with them.