South China/West Philippine Sea

[camiar]

This Kevlar-fiber-reinforced-plastic boat doesn't seem as sturdy as it looks. How do you think a boat like this would fare in the middle of a typhoon should the boat get caught up in one?

The damaged FRP boats I've posted are private/civilian boats. The BFAR patrol boats were most likely built to civilian-use specification, because they are unarmed boats. FRP is used in boat-building for making lightweight vessels with good fuel economy. FRP is also low maintenance because it is resistant to saltwater corrosion. They should do well even in typhoon conditions but they are not built for impact. Even a collision with a whale can sink the boat.

 

Military grade FRP boats are built differently and of higher specifications. Their hull is of composite construction. The hulls of Swedish Navy patrol boats, for example, are laminated inside and outside with fibre-reinforced plastic composed of glass fibre and carbon laminates bound with vinyl ester and polyester resin, which makes them much stronger. However, there are reports coming out recently that some of these boats are showing some deterioration due to de-lamination of the composite layers. So for now, many Navies still prefer steel boats.

[heatseeker0714]

This Kevlar-fiber-reinforced-plastic boat doesn't seem as sturdy as it looks. How do you think a boat like this would fare in the middle of a typhoon should the boat get caught up in one?

 

Naku, better prepare a lot of barf bags... there were reports na sobra kung tumagilid, magaan kase....

[heatseeker0714]

Thanks for the clarification Heetseeker. I wasn't aware of the MOU between the BFAR and the PCG. What I'm worried about is that after this incident with the Taiwanese fishermen, the BFAR/PCG may be less than vigilant in guarding our borders especially if they are reprimanded by our own government. They may be less willing to go on a limb to defend our territorial waters.

 

During the early years of the PCG sa DOTC (1998 lang sya inalis under the Philippine Navy and inilipat sa DOTC) ang alam kong meron MOU is the PCG and the PNP Maritime Group... Same case, the PNP MG had a surplus of sea going capable cops tapos ang kapos naman sa tao PCG... di ko lang alam status non ngayon, i think it'll be safe to say na wala na yon coz as i've said, si PCG na ngayon meron surplus personnel thats assigned to Department of Agriculture - BFAR ships...

[maxiev]

Here's an interesting article I just came across a while ago. It may have a bearing on events unfolding in the South China/West Philippine Sea.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/china-skeptical-expanded-us-role-pacific-130540243.html

[maxiev]

Naku, better prepare a lot of barf bags... there were reports na sobra kung tumagilid, magaan kase....

If these ships are really that unreliable in rough seas, then it's essential that up-to date weather information be made available to ships' captains lest they capsize because of their relatively light weight.

[maxiev]

The damaged FRP boats I've posted are private/civilian boats. The BFAR patrol boats were most likely built to civilian-use specification, because they are unarmed boats. FRP is used in boat-building for making lightweight vessels with good fuel economy. FRP is also low maintenance because it is resistant to saltwater corrosion. They should do well even in typhoon conditions but they are not built for impact. Even a collision with a whale can sink the boat.

 

Military grade FRP boats are built differently and of higher specifications. Their hull is of composite construction. The hulls of Swedish Navy patrol boats, for example, are laminated inside and outside with fibre-reinforced plastic composed of glass fibre and carbon laminates bound with vinyl ester and polyester resin, which makes them much stronger. However, there are reports coming out recently that some of these boats are showing some deterioration due to de-lamination of the composite layers. So for now, many Navies still prefer steel boats.

Sorry sir Camiar. Only read your post now after I made my last post regarding the use of FRP boats in typhoons.

 

So you're saying that FRP boats can withstand typhoons after all. That's comforting. But a collision with a whale can sink it? That's discomforting!! He he he.

 

Just wondering if these type of boats should be used in patrolling the waters separating the Philippines and Taiwan. Given the recent incident, would it be better to use a steel vessel instead given the propensity of the Taiwanese to ram our patrol boats?

[oscartamaguchiblackface]

Here's an interesting article I just came across a while ago. It may have a bearing on events unfolding in the South China/West Philippine Sea.

 

http://news.yahoo.co...-130540243.html

As usual, the American response to potentially embarrassing/sensitive questions is to be as vague as possible. Deflecting the question with a lot of double talk seems to work for the Americans.

[oscartamaguchiblackface]

The damaged FRP boats I've posted are private/civilian boats. The BFAR patrol boats were most likely built to civilian-use specification, because they are unarmed boats. FRP is used in boat-building for making lightweight vessels with good fuel economy. FRP is also low maintenance because it is resistant to saltwater corrosion. They should do well even in typhoon conditions but they are not built for impact. Even a collision with a whale can sink the boat.

 

Military grade FRP boats are built differently and of higher specifications. Their hull is of composite construction. The hulls of Swedish Navy patrol boats, for example, are laminated inside and outside with fibre-reinforced plastic composed of glass fibre and carbon laminates bound with vinyl ester and polyester resin, which makes them much stronger. However, there are reports coming out recently that some of these boats are showing some deterioration due to de-lamination of the composite layers. So for now, many Navies still prefer steel boats.

I can see the headlines now: "Philippine Coast Guard ship rammed by whale. Ship sunk." Now wouldn't that be embarrassing to the government.

[camiar]

Who occupies the Spratlys?

I made some research and listed them below.

The Philippines and Vietnam occupies the prime secure locations because they have the most of the islands.

China occupies reefs, that's why they have to build artificial concrete structures to occupy them.

 

An island is a piece of land surrounded by water

A reef is a coral or rock formation, or other feature lying beneath the surface of the water

A shoal is typically a long narrow sandbar, sometimes appearing above the water only during low tide

 

China – 6 reefs

Malaysia – 1 island, 5 reefs. 1 shoal

Philippines – 7 islands

Taiwan – 1 island, 1 reef

Vietnam – 6 islands

 

Occupied by China (PRC) (6 reefs)

Cuarteron Reef • (Huayang Reef)

Fiery Cross Reef • (Yongshu Reef)

Gaven Reefs • (Nanxun Reef and Xinan Reef)

Johnson South Reef • (Chigua Reef)

Mischief Reef • (Meiji Reef)

Subi Reef • (Zhubi Reef)

 

 

Occupied by Malaysia (1 island, 5 reefs, 1 shoal)

Ardasier Reef • (Ubi Reef)

Dallas Reef •( Laya Reef

Erica Reef • (Siput Reef)

Investigator Shoal • (Peninjau Shoal)

Louisa Reef •( Semarang Barat Kecil Reef)

Mariveles Reef • (Mantanani Reef)

Swallow Reef • (Layang-Layang Island)

 

 

Occupied by the Philippines (7 islands)

Thitu Island • (Pagasa Island)

West York Island • (Likas Island)

Northeast Cay • (Parola Island)

Nanshan Island • (Lawak Island)

Loaita Island • (Kota Island)

Flat Island • (Patag Island)

Lankiam Cay • (Panata Island)

 

 

Occupied by Taiwan (ROC) (1 island, 1 reef)

Taiping Island

Zhongzhou Reef

 

Occupied by Vietnam (6 islands)

Spratly Island • (Truong Sa Island)

Southwest Cay • (Song Tu Tay Island)

Sincowe Island • (Sinh Ton Island)

Sandcay • (Son Ca Island)

Namyit Island • (Nam Yet Island)

Amboyna Cay • (An Bang Island)

Edited June 2, 2013 by camiar

[Bugatti Veyron]

Who occupies the Spratlys?

I made some research and listed them below.

The Philippines and Vietnam occupies the prime secure locations because they have the most of the islands.

China occupies reefs, that's why they have to build artificial concrete structures to occupy them.

 

An island is a piece of land surrounded by water

A reef is a coral or rock formation, or other feature lying beneath the surface of the water

A shoal is typically a long narrow sandbar, sometimes appearing above the water only during low tide

 

China – 6 reefs

Malaysia – 1 island, 5 reefs. 1 shoal

Philippines – 7 islands

Taiwan – 1 island, 1 reef

Vietnam – 6 islands

 

Occupied by China (PRC) (6 reefs)

Cuarteron Reef • (Huayang Reef)

Fiery Cross Reef • (Yongshu Reef)

Gaven Reefs • (Nanxun Reef and Xinan Reef)

Johnson South Reef • (Chigua Reef)

Mischief Reef • (Meiji Reef)

Subi Reef • (Zhubi Reef)

 

 

Occupied by Malaysia (1 island, 5 reefs, 1 shoal)

Ardasier Reef • (Ubi Reef)

Dallas Reef •( Laya Reef

Erica Reef • (Siput Reef)

Investigator Shoal • (Peninjau Shoal)

Louisa Reef •( Semarang Barat Kecil Reef)

Mariveles Reef • (Mantanani Reef)

Swallow Reef • (Layang-Layang Island)

 

 

Occupied by the Philippines (7 islands)

Thitu Island • (Pagasa Island)

West York Island • (Likas Island)

Northeast Cay • (Parola Island)

Nanshan Island • (Lawak Island)

Loaita Island • (Kota Island)

Flat Island • (Patag Island)

Lankiam Cay • (Panata Island)

 

 

Occupied by Taiwan (ROC) (1 island, 1 reef)

Taiping Island

Zhongzhou Reef

 

Occupied by Vietnam (6 islands)

Spratly Island • (Truong Sa Island)

Southwest Cay • (Song Tu Tay Island)

Sincowe Island • (Sinh Ton Island)

Sandcay • (Son Ca Island)

Namyit Island • (Nam Yet Island)

Amboyna Cay • (An Bang Island)

Very interesting set of facts you presented Sir. Looks like the Philippines and Vietnam have the upper hand as far as these islands, reefs, and shoals go. Then again what may really be important is what lies underneath.

[Bugatti Veyron]

I can see the headlines now: "Philippine Coast Guard ship rammed by whale. Ship sunk." Now wouldn't that be embarrassing to the government.

So not only should the Philippine government be on the lookout for illegal fishermen from Taiwan and China, they must also contend with the possibility of getting rammed by a whale. Though far-fetched, there is always that slim possibility that something like this could happen. Maybe the government should re-think using coast guard boats made from this lightweight material and use steel instead.

[maxiev]

Who occupies the Spratlys?

I made some research and listed them below.

The Philippines and Vietnam occupies the prime secure locations because they have the most of the islands.

China occupies reefs, that's why they have to build artificial concrete structures to occupy them.

 

An island is a piece of land surrounded by water

A reef is a coral or rock formation, or other feature lying beneath the surface of the water

A shoal is typically a long narrow sandbar, sometimes appearing above the water only during low tide

 

China – 6 reefs

Malaysia – 1 island, 5 reefs. 1 shoal

Philippines – 7 islands

Taiwan – 1 island, 1 reef

Vietnam – 6 islands

 

Occupied by China (PRC) (6 reefs)

Cuarteron Reef • (Huayang Reef)

Fiery Cross Reef • (Yongshu Reef)

Gaven Reefs • (Nanxun Reef and Xinan Reef)

Johnson South Reef • (Chigua Reef)

Mischief Reef • (Meiji Reef)

Subi Reef • (Zhubi Reef)

 

 

Occupied by Malaysia (1 island, 5 reefs, 1 shoal)

Ardasier Reef • (Ubi Reef)

Dallas Reef •( Laya Reef

Erica Reef • (Siput Reef)

Investigator Shoal • (Peninjau Shoal)

Louisa Reef •( Semarang Barat Kecil Reef)

Mariveles Reef • (Mantanani Reef)

Swallow Reef • (Layang-Layang Island)

 

 

Occupied by the Philippines (7 islands)

Thitu Island • (Pagasa Island)

West York Island • (Likas Island)

Northeast Cay • (Parola Island)

Nanshan Island • (Lawak Island)

Loaita Island • (Kota Island)

Flat Island • (Patag Island)

Lankiam Cay • (Panata Island)

 

 

Occupied by Taiwan (ROC) (1 island, 1 reef)

Taiping Island

Zhongzhou Reef

 

Occupied by Vietnam (6 islands)

Spratly Island • (Truong Sa Island)

Southwest Cay • (Song Tu Tay Island)

Sincowe Island • (Sinh Ton Island)

Sandcay • (Son Ca Island)

Namyit Island • (Nam Yet Island)

Amboyna Cay • (An Bang Island)

Thanks for sharing your findings sir Camiar. This makes the focus of the discussions much easier to absorb.

[oscartamaguchiblackface]

Who occupies the Spratlys?

I made some research and listed them below.

The Philippines and Vietnam occupies the prime secure locations because they have the most of the islands.

China occupies reefs, that's why they have to build artificial concrete structures to occupy them.

 

An island is a piece of land surrounded by water

A reef is a coral or rock formation, or other feature lying beneath the surface of the water

A shoal is typically a long narrow sandbar, sometimes appearing above the water only during low tide

 

China – 6 reefs

Malaysia – 1 island, 5 reefs. 1 shoal

Philippines – 7 islands

Taiwan – 1 island, 1 reef

Vietnam – 6 islands

 

Occupied by China (PRC) (6 reefs)

Cuarteron Reef • (Huayang Reef)

Fiery Cross Reef • (Yongshu Reef)

Gaven Reefs • (Nanxun Reef and Xinan Reef)

Johnson South Reef • (Chigua Reef)

Mischief Reef • (Meiji Reef)

Subi Reef • (Zhubi Reef)

 

 

Occupied by Malaysia (1 island, 5 reefs, 1 shoal)

Ardasier Reef • (Ubi Reef)

Dallas Reef •( Laya Reef

Erica Reef • (Siput Reef)

Investigator Shoal • (Peninjau Shoal)

Louisa Reef •( Semarang Barat Kecil Reef)

Mariveles Reef • (Mantanani Reef)

Swallow Reef • (Layang-Layang Island)

 

 

Occupied by the Philippines (7 islands)

Thitu Island • (Pagasa Island)

West York Island • (Likas Island)

Northeast Cay • (Parola Island)

Nanshan Island • (Lawak Island)

Loaita Island • (Kota Island)

Flat Island • (Patag Island)

Lankiam Cay • (Panata Island)

 

 

Occupied by Taiwan (ROC) (1 island, 1 reef)

Taiping Island

Zhongzhou Reef

 

Occupied by Vietnam (6 islands)

Spratly Island • (Truong Sa Island)

Southwest Cay • (Song Tu Tay Island)

Sincowe Island • (Sinh Ton Island)

Sandcay • (Son Ca Island)

Namyit Island • (Nam Yet Island)

Amboyna Cay • (An Bang Island)

This will help a lot in future discussions. Thanks bro Camiar.

 

 

[heatseeker0714]

Who occupies the Spratlys?

I made some research and listed them below.

The Philippines and Vietnam occupies the prime secure locations because they have the most of the islands.

China occupies reefs, that's why they have to build artificial concrete structures to occupy them.

 

An island is a piece of land surrounded by water

A reef is a coral or rock formation, or other feature lying beneath the surface of the water

A shoal is typically a long narrow sandbar, sometimes appearing above the water only during low tide

 

China – 6 reefs

Malaysia – 1 island, 5 reefs. 1 shoal

Philippines – 7 islands

Taiwan – 1 island, 1 reef

Vietnam – 6 islands

 

Occupied by China (PRC) (6 reefs)

Cuarteron Reef • (Huayang Reef)

Fiery Cross Reef • (Yongshu Reef)

Gaven Reefs • (Nanxun Reef and Xinan Reef)

Johnson South Reef • (Chigua Reef)

Mischief Reef • (Meiji Reef)

Subi Reef • (Zhubi Reef)

 

 

Occupied by Malaysia (1 island, 5 reefs, 1 shoal)

Ardasier Reef • (Ubi Reef)

Dallas Reef •( Laya Reef

Erica Reef • (Siput Reef)

Investigator Shoal • (Peninjau Shoal)

Louisa Reef •( Semarang Barat Kecil Reef)

Mariveles Reef • (Mantanani Reef)

Swallow Reef • (Layang-Layang Island)

 

 

Occupied by the Philippines (7 islands)

Thitu Island • (Pagasa Island)

West York Island • (Likas Island)

Northeast Cay • (Parola Island)

Nanshan Island • (Lawak Island)

Loaita Island • (Kota Island)

Flat Island • (Patag Island)

Lankiam Cay • (Panata Island)

 

 

Occupied by Taiwan (ROC) (1 island, 1 reef)

Taiping Island

Zhongzhou Reef

 

Occupied by Vietnam (6 islands)

Spratly Island • (Truong Sa Island)

Southwest Cay • (Song Tu Tay Island)

Sincowe Island • (Sinh Ton Island)

Sandcay • (Son Ca Island)

Namyit Island • (Nam Yet Island)

Amboyna Cay • (An Bang Island)

 

Pre Yung Ayungin Shoal pa... kung saan grounded si BRP Sierra Madre and maintained by a couple of Philippine Marines...

[heatseeker0714]

So not only should the Philippine government be on the lookout for illegal fishermen from Taiwan and China, they must also contend with the possibility of getting rammed by a whale. Though far-fetched, there is always that slim possibility that something like this could happen. Maybe the government should re-think using coast guard boats made from this lightweight material and use steel instead.

 

50% of the costs of those DA-BFAR Boats (there were 14 of them) were shouldered by the Spanish Government kasi as ODA, so 50% lang binayaran natin and said vessels' loaded with modern comm and navigation gear kaya it was a very attractive offer and it serves its purpose naman... Pagka na lang siguro tinamaan sila ng balyena sobrang malas na lang nila talaga...