South China/West Philippine Sea

[sonnyt111]

Good questions. These would be the same questions that will probably be asked in the investigation of this incident.

Agreed.

[tarosa69]

Boycot Taiwan Products and Companies as a protest to the oppression they are doing to our OFW

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[camiar]

yes i heard wrong, it happens. but really, it's taiwan's loss?

Taiwan benefits more from hiring Filipino workers and caregivers. The workers deployed to Taiwan have enough qualifications to be able to find jobs elsewhere in case Taiwan stops hiring.

[oscartamaguchiblackface]

I don't know if it's just me, but aren't the Taiwanese over reacting a bit? They're doing all these to punish Filipinos because of the mistake of a single Filipino soldier?

[heatseeker0714]

Bottom line lang naman jan is that they want a Fishing Agreement with us and they're milking this incident to the very last drop. To their North and West is China and South Korea, East is Japan and we're south of them. Taiwan is a hungry nation that needs the ocean's resources to feed it's people. a couple of weeks ago them Japs, just to ease tensions with their maritime squabble with that place (Taiwan IS NOT a State) they signed a fisheries agreement with them. ang siste ilang araw pa lang meron kaagad epal na taiwanese who violated some provisions hence the Japanese Coast Guard apprehended one of their fishing vessels.

 

If they asked nicely and didn't act like the a.holes they're acting like now we would have been glad to make such agreement with them just like the Japs inspite of the fact that they are NOT EVEN A STATE to begin with. We have Fishing Agreements with the Malaysians, Indonesians and Papua New Guinea and matino naman silang kausap. Their vessels can fish in our waters and ours on theirs so long as said vessels coordinate with the host nation's maritime law enforcement agencies and said vessels follow the hosts nations maritime laws.

 

tignan mo naman reaction nila when the incident became public. Bayad agad ng damages and compensation hindi man lang nag demand ng investigation, san ka naman nakakita non??? when our side said we'll investigate first saka lang nag demand ng investigation. hahahaha....

 

they want an apology, compensation to the fisherman's family AND a Fishing agreement with us. Our country sent it's highest officer in Tawian, the Director of the MECO in said place with an apology and money to the family of the fisherman and they said it wasn't enough! they DEMANDED an OFFICIAL APOLOGY from our Government to theirs. Bakit??? Are you a Nation State that we will address such an apology to you guys???? or baka naman gusto nyo pang lumakad ng paluhod si Perez habang inaabot apology sa sa pamilya nung namatay???

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1239342/former-envoy-lauro-baja-tells-taiwan-remember-who-its-friends-are

 

A former top Philippines diplomat has urged Taiwan to "remember who its friends are", in comments that appear to suggest Taiwan is ungrateful for Manila's longstanding support for its political autonomy.

 

"Taiwan should remember we were the first ones to have these informal relations with them and we have substantial relations with them in terms of trade," said Lauro Baja, the former Philippines ambassador to the United Nations.

 

Baja said he decided to speak out as a citizen because of what he perceived was Taiwan's "overreaction" to the death of one of its fishermen on May 9 when a Philippines coastguard vessel fired at a Taiwanese fishing boat that Manila said was inside Philippine territory.

 

Baja said that, contrary to Taipei's claims that the incident occurred in disputed territory, Taiwan had long recognised the area as a part of Philippine waters.

 

"If you recall, during the time of [President] Cory Aquino, there was some sort of corridor established for Taiwanese fishermen" to pass through that area, he said. But Baja, once foreign affairs undersecretary for policy, did not know the status of that agreement because "it came from Malacanang Palace and did not pass through the DFA [Department of Foreign Affairs]".

 

"With their entity being a province of China, giving sanctions and refusing to receive the representative of the president, what is that? Sometimes I feel we have these things coming to us because of our very timid diplomacy," Baja said.

 

Rex Robles, a retired Philippine Navy commodore and security consultant, also pointed to the corridor agreement as proof that Taiwan recognises Philippine sovereignty over that area.

 

"I think everyone has forgotten about the safety corridor which Cory Aquino signed during her term. It allowed Taiwanese fishermen to pass through Philippine waters on their way to the Pacific Ocean," he said.

 

Robles said if Taiwan believed the area was theirs, in the first place, "why will they sign that MOU [Memorandum of Understanding]?"

 

Robles said he was "puzzled over the Taiwanese government's overreaction" and called for a thorough probe.

 

Outrage over Taiwan's Manila bashing and reported incidents of violence against Filipinos in Taipei spilled over yesterday to the social media.

 

Rafael Alunan, a businessman and former cabinet minister, wrote on Facebook: "China will take over Taiwan one of these days, and I will not shed a tear. Even without that formal takeover, they seem to be in bed together applying the same tactics against us and Japan in our respective territories."

 

International law expert Harry Roque noted that Taiwan has no legal leg to demand a fishing agreement with Manila because "Taiwan is not an independent state and should not expect to be treated as such".

Edited May 18, 2013 by heatseeker0714

[heatseeker0714]

The Taiwan president said they want an apology within 72 hours or they will suspend hiring of Filipino workers. I did not hear anything about Taiwan going to War with us.

 

Our MECO representative in Taiwan did not apologize. He said we offer our sympathies to the family of the deceased, but not our apology (or something to that effect).

 

 

So, fine -- stop hiring Filipinos. It's their loss, and comparatively, just another inconvenience to us.

 

out of the 80K plus Filipino workers in Taiwan, 25K are in the I.T Sector. Taiwanese IT companies treat said 25k Filipino workers like gold because of their english proficiency, college degree and the "Napapakiusapan" attitude of Pinoys when it comes to overtimes. The only people who can theoretically replace said 25k IT Filipino industry workers are the Indians, but the big question is, will the Indians accept the salaries that the Taiwanese currently pays Filipinos??? I think not.

 

The 55k Filipinos who are either factory workers, domestic helpers or in the agricultural sectors are also highly valued also because of either their highschool diplomas in the case of the factory workers and agricultural workers and college degrees in the case of some domestic helpers ( i don't know but a lot of BS Education graduates of the Philippines who don't practice their profession here or in the US and UK end up as DHs in Taiwan, Hongkong and Singapore) but most specially, Filipinos are highly valued in Taiwan according to some friends of mine in their IT Sector is becuase of our RELIGION. Basically put, were Christians.

 

Them Taiwanese for matters that befuddles me which also befuddles my friends over there are afraid of hiring Indonesians & Malaysians as either DH or in their factories kasi daw Muslim.

 

Kaya for me, sige lang, tuloy nyo lang work ban ng mga Pinoy jan sa inyo, mas malaki lugi nyo kesa samin. We'll get hurt sa una kasi uwian mga kabayan namin, but we'll recover. Our IT guys can go to Singapore, South Korea and Vietnam, same with the our DHs and agricultural workers, eh kayo, san kayo pupulutin in the long run????

[sonnyt111]

out of the 80K plus Filipino workers in Taiwan, 25K are in the I.T Sector. Taiwanese IT companies treat said 25k Filipino workers like gold because of their english proficiency, college degree and the "Napapakiusapan" attitude of Pinoys when it comes to overtimes. The only people who can theoretically replace said 25k IT Filipino industry workers are the Indians, but the big question is, will the Indians accept the salaries that the Taiwanese currently pays Filipinos??? I think not.

 

The 55k Filipinos who are either factory workers, domestic helpers or in the agricultural sectors are also highly valued also because of either their highschool diplomas in the case of the factory workers and agricultural workers and college degrees in the case of some domestic helpers ( i don't know but a lot of BS Education graduates of the Philippines who don't practice their profession here or in the US and UK end up as DHs in Taiwan, Hongkong and Singapore) but most specially, Filipinos are highly valued in Taiwan according to some friends of mine in their IT Sector is becuase of our RELIGION. Basically put, were Christians.

 

Them Taiwanese for matters that befuddles me which also befuddles my friends over there are afraid of hiring Indonesians & Malaysians as either DH or in their factories kasi daw Muslim.

 

Kaya for me, sige lang, tuloy nyo lang work ban ng mga Pinoy jan sa inyo, mas malaki lugi nyo kesa samin. We'll get hurt sa una kasi uwian mga kabayan namin, but we'll recover. Our IT guys can go to Singapore, South Korea and Vietnam, same with the our DHs and agricultural workers, eh kayo, san kayo pupulutin in the long run????

Yeah that would serve them right wouldn't it? Let them hire other nationalities and they'll realize soon enough that they made a bad decision based on their emotions. I think they need us more than we need them. After all, the world is so big.

[dungeonbaby]

lol. wow. and we Filipinos never overreact?

 

let's get over ourselves already. and by the way, i wouldn't be quoting from raffy alunan's facebook posts, this is the same guy whom i've watched deride Americans for being racists and share news from The Onion, that spoof site, thinking they are real headlines.

 

 

yeah, it's taiwan's loss. filipinos can do better and get hired by better people. lol. maybe more of us will be in the middle east where women are put on a pedestal and treated like queens. perhaps our professionals can just up and consider other countries to go to, paperwork is so easy and takes no time at all to process here. must be why we have so many future 'professionals' needing to augment their income with jobs they are overqualified for.

 

it sure is easy to talk when we've all got jobs or a passive income and can waste our energy posting on this forum where nothing gets done and no minds are changed.

 

ang dami daming trabaho dyan! magsawa kayo sa dami ng oportunidad! kaya nga walang mga nurse o economics grad na nag-aaply para maging katulong e.

 

watch out, taiwan! bleed over our absence

[sonnyt111]

lol. wow. and we Filipinos never overreact?

 

let's get over ourselves already. and by the way, i wouldn't be quoting from raffy alunan's facebook posts, this is the same guy whom i've watched deride Americans for being racists and share news from The Onion, that spoof site, thinking they are real headlines.

 

 

yeah, it's taiwan's loss. filipinos can do better and get hired by better people. lol. maybe more of us will be in the middle east where women are put on a pedestal and treated like queens. perhaps our professionals can just up and consider other countries to go to, paperwork is so easy and takes no time at all to process here. must be why we have so many future 'professionals' needing to augment their income with jobs they are overqualified for.

 

it sure is easy to talk when we've all got jobs or a passive income and can waste our energy posting on this forum where nothing gets done and no minds are changed.

 

ang dami daming trabaho dyan! magsawa kayo sa dami ng oportunidad! kaya nga walang mga nurse o economics grad na nag-aaply para maging katulong e.

 

watch out, taiwan! bleed over our absence

Sarcasm noted. You focus on the hardships of Filipinos over the loss of jobs in Taiwan. Mine is directed towards the honor of the Philippines in general and Filipinos in particular. Is it alright for you to have our countrymen killed or brutalized in Taiwan because of this unfortunate incident?

 

Admittedly, Filipinos are an emotional lot a well. Nobody ever suggested we don't over react. But we do not retaliate by killing the nationals of a country that we are in conflict with. Sure we burn flags, we march towards the embassy of the country the Philippines is at odds with and hurl debris and shout profanities. But we don't go around killing innocent foreigners just because they are citizens of the country which the Philippine government has a problem with. We certainly do not put up signs saying " this restaurant does not serve Taiwanese citizens."

 

National pride and honor are at stake here. We will not allow any country to abuse our citizens living in their land because of an incident/accident/tragedy involving the unfortunate death of one of its citizens. If you don't want us fine. We're not going to grovel and ask them to re-consider their decision. If we did that, where is our self-respect as a nation? And even if we were so bereft of national pride and honor, are you willing to risk injury or death of Filipino citizens who choose to work there? (Assuming of course that the Taiwanese government changes its mind)

 

Actually we shouldn't even be discussing this. The Taiwanese no longer want Filipino workers. Period. It's as plain and simple as that.

Edited May 19, 2013 by sonnyt111

[camiar]

lol. wow. and we Filipinos never overreact?

 

let's get over ourselves already. and by the way, i wouldn't be quoting from raffy alunan's facebook posts, this is the same guy whom i've watched deride Americans for being racists and share news from The Onion, that spoof site, thinking they are real headlines.

 

 

yeah, it's taiwan's loss. filipinos can do better and get hired by better people. lol. maybe more of us will be in the middle east where women are put on a pedestal and treated like queens. perhaps our professionals can just up and consider other countries to go to, paperwork is so easy and takes no time at all to process here. must be why we have so many future 'professionals' needing to augment their income with jobs they are overqualified for.

 

it sure is easy to talk when we've all got jobs or a passive income and can waste our energy posting on this forum where nothing gets done and no minds are changed.

 

ang dami daming trabaho dyan! magsawa kayo sa dami ng oportunidad! kaya nga walang mga nurse o economics grad na nag-aaply para maging katulong e.

 

watch out, taiwan! bleed over our absence

 

Yes Pinoys overreact, too. Like during the Flor Contemplacion brouhaha. But that's not the point. The point is, Filipino workers there are highly prized globally. It would be Taiwan's loss if the reject Filipino workers out of their own overreaction.

 

I disagree with the picture you paint that Filipinos are so desperate that nurses and economic grads take DH jobs in Taiwan. If there are, it would be more of an exception than the rule.

 

The workers we send to Taiwan are the right fit for their jobs there. Most of them come from the semiconductor industry. What's good with Filipino semiconductor workers is that they can operate the production equipment well, PLUS they can also troubleshoot and maintain them, unlike workers from Indonesia and Malaysia. Our Filipino workers add more value to their jobs than most of our Asian counterparts.

[Bugatti Veyron]

Yes Pinoys overreact, too. Like during the Flor Contemplacion brouhaha. But that's not the point. The point is, Filipino workers there are highly prized globally. It would be Taiwan's loss if the reject Filipino workers out of their own overreaction.

 

I disagree with the picture you paint that Filipinos are so desperate that nurses and economic grads take DH jobs in Taiwan. If there are, it would be more of an exception than the rule.

 

The workers we send to Taiwan are the right fit for their jobs there. Most of them come from the semiconductor industry. What's good with Filipino semiconductor workers is that they can operate the production equipment well, PLUS they can also troubleshoot and maintain them, unlike workers from Indonesia and Malaysia. Our Filipino workers add more value to their jobs than most of our Asian counterparts.

Oh the Flor Contemplacion execution....I remember that. Emotions were quite high as appeals were mounted by the Philippine government asking the Singapore government for leniency. She was executed just the same for the murder of a compatriot.

 

Though emotions were high at that time, I do not recall Filipinos hurting, much less killing any Singapore citizens. I hope no Filipinos are harmed in Taiwan because of this unfortunate incident.

[maxiev]

Oh the Flor Contemplacion execution....I remember that. Emotions were quite high as appeals were mounted by the Philippine government asking the Singapore government for leniency. She was executed just the same for the murder of a compatriot.

 

Though emotions were high at that time, I do not recall Filipinos hurting, much less killing any Singapore citizens. I hope no Filipinos are harmed in Taiwan because of this unfortunate incident.

I saw on the new this evening how several Filipinos were hurt by motor cycle riding thugs/gangsters who specifically targeted these pinoys in Taiwan. Obviously these thugs were driven to do these acts because their government provoked them into committing these shameful acts. Let us not stoop to the level of these thugs and show the rest of the world that we are a civilized nation. Taiwan is showing it can resort to uncivilized behavior. Fine. Let them show the whole world what kind of people they are. And we'll show them how civilized Filipinos are despite bad international and national press.

Edited May 20, 2013 by maxiev

[heatseeker0714]

I saw on the new this evening how several Filipinos were hurt by motor cycle riding thugs/gangsters who specifically targeted these pinoys in Taiwan. Obviously these thugs were driven to do these acts because their government provoked them into committing these shameful acts. Let us not stoop to the level of these thugs and show the rest of the world that we are a civilized nation. Taiwan is showing it can resort to uncivilized behavior. Fine. Let them show the whole world what kind of people they are. And we'll show them how civilized Filipinos are despite bad international and national press.

 

What do you expect from a mere province of the PRC??? The apple has literally not fallen far from the tree...

[maxiev]

What do you expect from a mere province of the PRC??? The apple has literally not fallen far from the tree...

Obviously not much...

Edited May 21, 2013 by maxiev

[dungeonbaby]

Just for the experts here on international law:

 

Furthermore, there too appears to be a breach of international law since the UN Convention of the Law of the Sea prohibits the unnecessary use of force in dealing with illegal fishermen. In fact, the UNCLOS provides that fishermen caught illegally fishing in a state's exclusive economic zone should not even be detained or charged criminally. The only leeway granted to a party state is to apprehend the vessel which, in turn, must be immediately released upon the posting of bond.

 

- excerpt from Harry L. Roque, "Taiwan sets example for PHL government in current dispute"

 

 

As reports come out that the fisherman's boat was shot up on its side, it really makes one wonder how the coast guard came to the conclusion they were about to be rammed. You'd think if a boat was about to ram you, its position would be facing towards you, not running alongside you. So who here is confident that the investigation will be thorough and fair? Raise your hands. While we're at it, what has resulted from that investigation into the Quirino Grandstand massacre?

 

If you were Taiwan, would you trust the NBI? Filipinos themselves don't trust the NBI lol.

 

Sarcasm noted. You focus on the hardships of Filipinos over the loss of jobs in Taiwan. Mine is directed towards the honor of the Philippines in general and Filipinos in particular. Is it alright for you to have our countrymen killed or brutalized in Taiwan because of this unfortunate incident?

 

How many were killed or brutalized, and do you expect their government to not punish criminals who do this to innocent people?

 

What was our government's reaction to our people being brutalized in Sabah? Which government - Taiwan's or ours - is doing the better job fighting for its people, you think?

 

Yes Pinoys overreact, too. Like during the Flor Contemplacion brouhaha. But that's not the point. The point is, Filipino workers there are highly prized globally. It would be Taiwan's loss if the reject Filipino workers out of their own overreaction.

 

I disagree with the picture you paint that Filipinos are so desperate that nurses and economic grads take DH jobs in Taiwan. If there are, it would be more of an exception than the rule.

 

Overreaction? What is the proper reaction to the loss of life? And let's not talk about mob action here. How did their government overreact? I wish my government had the balls to defend me like that.

 

You think I was talking about DH jobs in Taiwan. I was talking about the people who apply to my craigslist manila ads. Perhaps I'm the only one who finds that shocking, and finding statements saying Filipinos are irreplaceable and therefore it's Taiwan's loss a little self-indulgent and fantastical. You talk as if we have not lost on this issue, you talk as if the Philippines was flush with job opportunities and the international market not competitive. How many people would rather be in Taiwan, than in other countries? A significant number given that Pinoys enjoy higher salaries in Taiwan than in other places, higher even than in HK, according to a friend there.

 

Point is, in business, no one is irreplaceable. And the truth is, no matter what the cost to them, if Taiwan wants to replace our workers, it will.

Edited May 21, 2013 by dungeonbaby