South China/West Philippine Sea

[maxiev]

We raised the rent because what they were asking (or demanding) was rock bottom rates that, as what i read from a book written by the head of the RP negotiating team tasked to renegotiate the stay of the RP bases, even the its members were "ashamed" of its figures.

 

But i guess the withdrawal of the US bases was for the better coz we have been very dependent with US might and military power. I guess its about time we learn to raise and defend our military

Seems our military is going to find it difficult to defend against a superior Chinese navy. Our military (and the US military support that was given back then) was/is suited for the purpose of containing both communist and Muslim insurgencies. Not to confront a first world military power such as the Chinese military. Our military is just no match against the Chinese. We need an American presence to deter Chinese aggression.

[camiar]

Seems our military is going to find it difficult to defend against a superior Chinese navy. Our military (and the US military support that was given back then) was/is suited for the purpose of containing both communist and Muslim insurgencies. Not to confront a first world military power such as the Chinese military. Our military is just no match against the Chinese. We need an American presence to deter Chinese aggression.

We do not need to match the might of Chinese PLA. We are not going on a full scale war with them anyway.

 

The American presence will be there, in the background. And so will Japan's, India's, and our neighboring South East Asia's military presence -- these countries, individually, are also no match to China, but collectively a credible deterrent.

 

We just need to build up our navy and air force to be able to challenge their increasing aggressiveness in our area. The minimum we need are several new Offshore Patrol Vessels, Multi-purpose Landing Dock Vessels, Interceptor Fighter Jets, Navy helicopters. The number of acquisitions that we can afford will not be a match if there is a full scale war, but it would be useful in policing our economic zones and "showing the flag" in the territories we are trying to protect.

 

In military principle, the aggressor would need to deploy five times the strength of the defending force to be able to invade and control a territory. So theoretically, the Philippines would just need to match only at least one-fifth of what China is deploying in our West Philippine Sea to counter them effectively.

Edited May 13, 2013 by camiar

[maxiev]

We do not need to match the might of Chinese PLA. We are not going on a full scale war with them anyway.

 

The American presence will be there, in the background. And so will Japan's, India's, and our neighboring South East Asia's military presence -- these countries, individually, are also no match to China, but collectively a credible deterrent.

 

We just need to build up our navy and air force to be able to challenge their increasing aggressiveness in our area. The minimum we need are several new Offshore Patrol Vessels, Multi-purpose Landing Dock Vessels, Interceptor Fighter Jets, Navy helicopters. The number of acquisitions that we can afford will not be a match if there is a full scale war, but it would be useful in policing our economic zones and "showing the flag" in the territories we are trying to protect.

 

In military principle, the aggressor would need to deploy five times the strength of the defending force to be able to invade and control a territory. So theoretically, the Philippines would just need to match only at least one-fifth of what China is deploying in our West Philippine Sea to counter them effectively.

Hmm...hope your right. What I'm worried about really is if a Philippine navy warship opens fire even on a Chinese fishing vessel. Such a provocative act could have dire consequences for the Philippines. China may seek to even the score which may include destroying some of our naval assets. I hope I am wrong.

[dungeonbaby]

funny.

 

our coast guard already fired on and killed a taiwanese fisherman, far from our shores and on no provocation. no statement from the prez yet because, as we all know, campaigning is so much more important than international matters.

Edited May 14, 2013 by dungeonbaby

[heatseeker0714]

funny.

 

our coast guard already fired on and killed a taiwanese fisherman, far from our shores and on no provocation. no statement from the prez yet because, as we all know, campaigning is so much more important than international matters.

 

The investigation regarding the incident is still ongoing, plus let me point out some facts, namely;

 

1.) The PCG did not intentionally k*ll that fisherman. It was an accident. They were aiming for the ship's engine and didn't even know they hit someone till they got back to port. your phrase "our coast guard already fired on and killed a taiwanese fisherman," has a certain slant that to the uninitiated, would come out as our coasties deliberately targeted that fisherman.

 

2.) Far from our shores??? Please check the coordinates again. They were within the vicinity of Batanes, that's why the area was being patrolled by the PCG on BFAR ships.

 

3.) No provocation??? Says who??? Them Taiwanese??? Of course they'll say that. For their politicians to admit otherwise would be political suicide. For the record, the PCG has saved countless Taiwanese lives who get in trouble in those waters, and then all of a sudden they turn into non thinking mongoloids and just shoot at anybody???

 

4.) Abnoy not commenting on the issue because "He's busy campaigning" is quite... well, let's just put it this way, i don't like Abnoy, i didn't even vote for the guy, voted for his cousin instead, but as time goes by, the way he handles incidents regarding our security and disputed areas, he's winning over a lot of skeptics both inside and outside the Military and Security Forces of the country. He has his abnormalities, i mean who doesn't, but when it comes to Military and Foreign Affairs, he's doing good. Besides, like i said, let's just wait for the results of the official investigation. You wouldn't want our President stooping down to the Taiwanese President's level diba? Issuing ultimatums and ordering their navy and coast guard to the proximity of the area just to satisfy his citizenry. Bandang huli nyan sila pa magmumukhang eng-eng dahil sa over-reaction nila na sila naman din ang mali.

[camiar]

 

4.) Abnoy not commenting on the issue because "He's busy campaigning" is quite... well, let's just put it this way, i don't like Abnoy, i didn't even vote for the guy, voted for his cousin instead, but as time goes by, the way he handles incidents regarding our security and disputed areas, he's winning over a lot of skeptics both inside and outside the Military and Security Forces of the country. He has his abnormalities, i mean who doesn't, but when it comes to Military and Foreign Affairs, he's doing good. Besides, like i said, let's just wait for the results of the official investigation. You wouldn't want our President stooping down to the Taiwanese President's level diba? Issuing ultimatums and ordering their navy and coast guard to the proximity of the area just to satisfy his citizenry. Bandang huli nyan sila pa magmumukhang eng-eng dahil sa over-reaction nila na sila naman din ang mali.

 

BS Aquino should have made a well thought out official statement regarding the incident, instead of keeping mum about it.

But, past experience have thought his "handlers" to get Abnoy to keep his mouth shut, and likewise, so should Lacierda, Valte, and Carandang.

 

Maybe when it comes to military affairs, BS Aquino is "doing good". But do you really think his military policy is really his and not of his "handlers"?. For me. I'm just thankful he has good "advisers" on military matters.

 

I also voted for Gibo. It is during times like this that I wish Gibo was our prez.

Edited May 14, 2013 by camiar

[heatseeker0714]

BS Aquino should have made a well thought out official statement regarding the incident, instead of keeping mum about it.

But, past experience have thought his "handlers" to get Abnoy to keep his mouth shut, and likewise, so should Lacierda, Valte, and Carandang.

 

Maybe when it comes to military affairs, BS Aquino is "doing good". But do you really think his military policy is really his and not of his "handlers"?. For me. I'm just thankful he has good "advisers" on military matters.

 

I also voted for Gibo. It is during times like this that I wish Gibo was our prez.

 

1.) By keeping mum on the issue, it shows his capacity to hold his tongue in check on certain matters of national importance plus the fact that by doing so, he wouldn't preempt the investigators in doing their jobs.

 

2.) his military policy may not be entirely his, he may have lots of advisers, but you have to remember, he's the one who decides on which counsel to heed. It's his neck that's on the line, not his advisers'. It's him who would earn the people's wrath, not some adviser.

[hit05]

The investigation regarding the incident is still ongoing, plus let me point out some facts, namely;

 

1.) The PCG did not intentionally k*ll that fisherman. It was an accident. They were aiming for the ship's engine and didn't even know they hit someone till they got back to port. your phrase "our coast guard already fired on and killed a taiwanese fisherman," has a certain slant that to the uninitiated, would come out as our coasties deliberately targeted that fisherman.

 

2.) Far from our shores??? Please check the coordinates again. They were within the vicinity of Batanes, that's why the area was being patrolled by the PCG on BFAR ships.

 

3.) No provocation??? Says who??? Them Taiwanese??? Of course they'll say that. For their politicians to admit otherwise would be political suicide. For the record, the PCG has saved countless Taiwanese lives who get in trouble in those waters, and then all of a sudden they turn into non thinking mongoloids and just shoot at anybody???

 

4.) Abnoy not commenting on the issue because "He's busy campaigning" is quite... well, let's just put it this way, i don't like Abnoy, i didn't even vote for the guy, voted for his cousin instead, but as time goes by, the way he handles incidents regarding our security and disputed areas, he's winning over a lot of skeptics both inside and outside the Military and Security Forces of the country. He has his abnormalities, i mean who doesn't, but when it comes to Military and Foreign Affairs, he's doing good. Besides, like i said, let's just wait for the results of the official investigation. You wouldn't want our President stooping down to the Taiwanese President's level diba? Issuing ultimatums and ordering their navy and coast guard to the proximity of the area just to satisfy his citizenry. Bandang huli nyan sila pa magmumukhang eng-eng dahil sa over-reaction nila na sila naman din ang mali.

 

The recent shooting of a civilian from Taiwan vessel that got no weapons and out-maneuvered and out-ran our Filipino military boats can explain that the problem is our own government. The US Department of Foreign Affairs tackled the issue of territorial dispute with China by emphasizing International Sea Lanes of safe passage and neutrality. Yet Filipinos shooting an unarmed civilian Taiwanese vessel is proof enough that like China, it too got no idea of what sea lanes are, which should have been pre-defined and minded. Moreover, it seems they are also ignorant of the protocols and rules of engagement that must be executed to clearly communicate a warning and the intention to fire and protect territory to an intruding unauthorized vessel.

 

What is also quite apparent is the disaster that our military did when it purchased patrol boats much slower and less dependable/maneuverable than a private boat from Taiwan that escaped. Despite the heavy firepower and armor, these military grade vessels are no match for the current technology that delivers speed, sprint and agility. The steel age in the shipping industry is over and composite materials are in, which even TV program History Channel shows being used in the latest US Navy aircraft carrier. We are not modernizing our navy but piling up obsolete and practically useless military inventory that cannot do its job when the time comes.

[heatseeker0714]

The recent shooting of a civilian from Taiwan vessel that got no weapons and out-maneuvered and out-ran our Filipino military boats can explain that the problem is our own government. The US Department of Foreign Affairs tackled the issue of territorial dispute with China by emphasizing International Sea Lanes of safe passage and neutrality. Yet Filipinos shooting an unarmed civilian Taiwanese vessel is proof enough that like China, it too got no idea of what sea lanes are, which should have been pre-defined and minded. Moreover, it seems they are also ignorant of the protocols and rules of engagement that must be executed to clearly communicate a warning and the intention to fire and protect territory to an intruding unauthorized vessel.

 

What is also quite apparent is the disaster that our military did when it purchased patrol boats much slower and less dependable/maneuverable than a private boat from Taiwan that escaped. Despite the heavy firepower and armor, these military grade vessels are no match for the current technology that delivers speed, sprint and agility. The steel age in the shipping industry is over and composite materials are in, which even TV program History Channel shows being used in the latest US Navy aircraft carrier. We are not modernizing our navy but piling up obsolete and practically useless military inventory that cannot do its job when the time comes.

 

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Filipino military boats??????????? The Philippine Coast Guard under the Dept. of Transportation and Communications and the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources under the Dept. of Agriculture operating MILITARY BOATS?????????

 

The US has a Department of Foreign Affairs???????

 

International Sea Lanes in Batanes Waters???????

 

PCG-BFAR Personnel ignorant of the protocols and rules of engagement?????

 

What have you been sniffing??? Rugby??? Glue??? Mighty bond??? Heated cough syrup??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Janja]

Sarap banatan yung mga taiwanese ngayon... Parang mga ogag lang sila na nga trespasser sila pa nagyayabang.

[jacuzzi]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Filipino military boats??????????? The Philippine Coast Guard under the Dept. of Transportation and Communications and the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources under the Dept. of Agriculture operating MILITARY BOATS?????????

 

The US has a Department of Foreign Affairs???????

 

International Sea Lanes in Batanes Waters???????

 

PCG-BFAR Personnel ignorant of the protocols and rules of engagement?????

 

What have you been sniffing??? Rugby??? Glue??? Mighty bond??? Heated cough syrup??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

Problem remains that the object of your investigation is not in custody. Likewise, your attempt to plug the cultural environment reflective of your childhood background makes for weak character and lack of credibility. Shooting a picture with GPS and time stamp would have been a lot better response than attacking and forcing intruders to flee the scene for fear of loss of their lives.

[Janja]

And to think our govt issued apology on Taiwan for shooting trespassers...

[dungeonbaby]

The investigation regarding the incident is still ongoing, plus let me point out some facts, namely;

 

1.) The PCG did not intentionally k*ll that fisherman. It was an accident. They were aiming for the ship's engine and didn't even know they hit someone till they got back to port. your phrase "our coast guard already fired on and killed a taiwanese fisherman," has a certain slant that to the uninitiated, would come out as our coasties deliberately targeted that fisherman.

 

2.) Far from our shores??? Please check the coordinates again. They were within the vicinity of Batanes, that's why the area was being patrolled by the PCG on BFAR ships.

 

3.) No provocation??? Says who??? Them Taiwanese??? Of course they'll say that. For their politicians to admit otherwise would be political suicide. For the record, the PCG has saved countless Taiwanese lives who get in trouble in those waters, and then all of a sudden they turn into non thinking mongoloids and just shoot at anybody???

 

4.) Abnoy not commenting on the issue because "He's busy campaigning" is quite... well, let's just put it this way, i don't like Abnoy, i didn't even vote for the guy, voted for his cousin instead, but as time goes by, the way he handles incidents regarding our security and disputed areas, he's winning over a lot of skeptics both inside and outside the Military and Security Forces of the country. He has his abnormalities, i mean who doesn't, but when it comes to Military and Foreign Affairs, he's doing good. Besides, like i said, let's just wait for the results of the official investigation. You wouldn't want our President stooping down to the Taiwanese President's level diba? Issuing ultimatums and ordering their navy and coast guard to the proximity of the area just to satisfy his citizenry. Bandang huli nyan sila pa magmumukhang eng-eng dahil sa over-reaction nila na sila naman din ang mali.

 

 

within the vicinity of batanes? it was 160 miles from the philippines. that may be within our 200-mile eez. but wait...isn't that also 160 miles from taiwan? there is an overlap in this area, and both philippine and taiwanese fishermen are in these waters.

 

our coast guard shot up a wooden boat because they were afraid the fishermen were going to ram their boat. that was the statement. they were afraid a wooden fishing boat might ram our steel boat and so thought it necessary to open fire. sure, let's wait for the investigation. but you'd have to admit, it's not looking good for us.

 

not commenting after that other fiasco where chinese tourists were killed in that quirino grandstand hostage crisis are burned into the chinese/taiwanese consciousness...well, that's real presidential. what's wrong with making a statement that our government will get to the bottom of the incident and assuring taiwan that justice will be sought. yun lang naman kailangan sabihin.

 

yeah his keeping mum really works and our president is truly winning over skeptics...except for the non-pinoy skeptics who now control panatag shoal.

 

Edited May 15, 2013 by dungeonbaby

[heatseeker0714]

Sarap banatan yung mga taiwanese ngayon... Parang mga ogag lang sila na nga trespasser sila pa nagyayabang.

 

Hindi dapat ganon. Be level headed. unang-una kahit na aksidente, tayo nakapatay. Ang bottom line naman ng incident na to eh mag-aapologize naman talaga tayo, who wouldn't for decency's sake. ang di lang maganda is the Taiwanese people abetted by their media na nagpadala sa emotions nila, then you have their politicians...

 

plus the fact na ang OA ng reaction nila kesyo ultimatum dito, naval drills jan and what not. What many people here don't understand is that sudden bursts of emotions have always got people killed.

[heatseeker0714]

within the vicinity of batanes? it was 160 miles from the philippines. that may be within our 200-mile eez. but wait...isn't that also 160 miles from taiwan? there is an overlap in this area, and both philippine and taiwanese fishermen are in these waters.

 

our coast guard shot up a wooden boat because they were afraid the fishermen were going to ram their boat. that was the statement. they were afraid a wooden fishing boat might ram our steel boat and so thought it necessary to open fire. sure, let's wait for the investigation. but you'd have to admit, it's not looking good for us.

 

not commenting after that other fiasco where chinese tourists were killed in that quirino grandstand hostage crisis are burned into the chinese/taiwanese consciousness...well, that's real presidential. yeah his keeping mum really works and our president is truly winning over skeptics...except for the non-pinoy skeptics who now control panatag shoal.

 

160 Miles from the Philippines??????

 

It happened 43 Miles east of Balintang Island which is in the Balintang Channel. Said Channel almost being equidistant in between Batanes and the Babuyan Islands. Don't believe all the crap that Taiwanese media say. They even ERASED BATANES from the map just so that it would look that their ship is in international waters. Go find a map, look at the spot and don't tell me that it is part of our EEZ. No Ma'am, those waters are our TERRITORIAL waters, not our EEZ.

 

Ramming is considered an AGGRESSIVE act by mariners the world over. Now Ramming a law enforcement vessel while doing it's mandate inside it's own TERRITORIAL waters and ignoring said law enforcement's vessel hails on open maritime radio frequency and its onboard sirens and megaphones from the crew is well....

 

Not looking good for us??????? Our country projected a Mature image on the world stage after the incident unlike Taiwan's behavior after the incident which is like a kid who threw a tantrum after the toy that kid wants was not bought by its parents.