Dear Noynoy

[dungeonbaby]

Dear Noy, Your projects are on the way and in almost 3 months you have made example to various LGU in teh country..

 

Cant help but respond to this post kahit medyo busy this past weeks...I think its very literal when you mentioned that we are his boss..Yes we are his boss but not in the most literal meaning..We are a democracy and when he said we are his boss means that the majority of the people's wish and needs are what he will be implementing. Just like the birth control issue. Its the best for every Juan and Maria in this country to be informed about reduction in population but its not the best for the church. Kung lahat ng pinoy na lang boss eh di ginawa namang santa clause si Pnoy? doesnt make sense right? Just like in a company the board of directors is the boss of the CEO but it doesnt mean every whims of the board members are what he will follow its the majority of the BOD's decision

 

"means that the majority of the people's wish and needs are what he will be implementing"

How will these wishes be determined if they are not articulated first? Isn't it precisely the fact that we are a democracy that makes it possible to say what you want to the president who, after all, works for you?

 

"Kung lahat ng pinoy na lang boss eh di ginawa namang santa clause si Pnoy? doesnt make sense right?"

 

Meron na bang nagsabi na ganon dapat? Wala bang utak yung presidente na lahat na lang ng sasabihin sa kanya ay susundin nya? Yun ba ang sinabi ko? Sabi ko lang, pwede magsalita.

 

Fail ang comprehension teh. Siguro kailangan mag vitamins ka. Yung may B complex ha.

[skitz]

I am no GMA supporter nor am I a P-noy fan or basher. Just want to make a point. The comparison is not "apples to apples" simply because the "team" which undertook the rescue was not the best which the Philippines had to offer. It was already stated as a matter of public record during the IIRC that there were other elite teams on stand-by. Why they were not utilized is anyone's guess. So it's still the problem of "leadership" or a lack of it during the crisis which resulted in the fiasco.

The President gave the specific order to use the SAF. The ground commander did not follow this order. His head must roll. To his (Gen. Magtibay) credit. He willingly fell on his sword shortly after the incident.

[skitz]

DB,

 

So what you are saying is that since PGMA was soooo fcuking good, even if we had elected a monkey as president, and sent him to that mission to the US, spitting at people and throwing crap all around, we would have still gotten those contracts. Wow. GMA was that good eh? Those contracts have absolutely NOTHING TO DO with the renewed confidence in the Philippines, given that we now have a LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT (beyond question), and who promises to stomp out corruption. 50 years from now, the IMF would still be giving us a limitless line of credit because of GMA. She was just that good. And I believe.

 

AS for GMA being COMPLETELY BLAMELESS in the hostage fiasco -- look, I never wanted to play the blame game. But that fcuking SWAT team were total idiots. They were trained during the time of GMA when EURO GENERALS think it is their god-given right to spend a "working" holiday in RUSSIA (with their spouses), never mind that the SWAT don't get training. And from whom did they get that notion? The friggin president who thinks it is her god-given right to spend 20K USD for dinners when she is on a "working" holiday in New York.

 

But let me ask a question. Why weren't those contracts signed during the time of PGMA? Why now? Why only now? Were those people unaware that the Philippines was due to a change of president by 2010? Why is there a seeming "opening of floodgates" all of the sudden? Now that the "excellent" president with her "excellent economic policies" (harhar) is now due to be tried for corruption? Nung huling pumunta si PGMA sa Tate, aside from the bill for the 20K USD dinners, what did she bring home (ok, also aside from the pang facebook photo op with Barack), what else?

 

And oh one more thing, since we are in the "giving GMA her due" mode. PNoy promises to be the complete opposite of PGMA. He has GONE ON RECORD WITH THIS. So her ECONOMIC POLICIES (whatever the fcuk that is), is NO LONGER RELEVANT. The Philippines, since PGMA stepped down, will no longer be under "PGMA's economic policies" tienes. Somebody ought give the memo to all those people who want to invest in the Philippines. But hey, I am guessing, they already know.

Edited September 29, 2010 by skitz

[dungeonbaby]

DB,

 

So what you are saying is that since PGMA was soooo fcuking good, even if we had elected a monkey as president, and sent him to that mission to the US, spitting at people and throwing crap all around, we would have still gotten those contracts. Wow. GMA was that good eh? Those contracts have absolutely NOTHING TO DO with the renewed confidence in the Philippines, given that we now have a LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT (beyond question), and who promises to stomp out corruption. 50 years from now, the IMF would still be giving us a limitless line of credit because of GMA. She was just that good. And I believe.

 

AS for GMA being COMPLETELY BLAMELESS in the hostage fiasco -- look, I never wanted to play the blame game. But that fcuking SWAT team were total idiots. They were trained during the time of GMA when EURO GENERALS think it is their god-given right to spend a "working" holiday in RUSSIA (with their spouses), never mind that the SWAT don't get training. And from whom did they get that notion? The friggin president who thinks it is her god-given right to spend 20K USD for dinners when she is on a "working" holiday in New York.

 

But let me ask a question. Why weren't those contracts signed during the time of PGMA? Why now? Why only now? Were those people unaware that the Philippines was due to a change of president by 2010? Why is there a seeming "opening of floodgates" all of the sudden? Now that the "excellent" president with her "excellent economic policies" (harhar) is now due to be tried for corruption? Nung huling pumunta si PGMA sa Tate, aside from the bill for the 20K USD dinners, what did she bring home (ok, also aside from the pang facebook photo op with Barack), what else?

 

And oh one more thing, since we are in the "giving GMA her due" mode. PNoy promises to be the complete opposite of PGMA. He has GONE ON RECORD WITH THIS. So her ECONOMIC POLICIES (whatever the fcuk that is), is NO LONGER RELEVANT. The Philippines, since PGMA stepped down, will no longer be under "PGMA's economic policies" tienes. Somebody ought give the memo to all those people who want to invest in the Philippines. But hey, I am guessing, they already know.

 

Without even reading too far into your reply I can already tell you jumped the gun. First, I didn't say PNoy may as well have been a monkey, and ALL the gains are due GMA. Don't get all hysterical.

 

Second, I never scoffed at any of his accomplishments. I said that you attack those who can only say negative things, as if it's wrong to point out Malacanang's spin. Of course it's great he got investments, Obama seems to have genuinely liked the guy. You seem to be mixing me in with someone else's replies.

 

At any rate, if you are sure of the positives why bother with the negatives? Accomplishments should speak for themselves. You have a beef with people selling the country short on these boards and therefore affecting investor confidence negatively, but has it truly not occurred to you that pre-Noynoy you were one of those whose anti-GMA rants were so nasty they fit that same profile to a T? Or did the boards all of a sudden gain political influence and only now matter? If we take your argument further, is it also possible that it was the sentiment of people like you that kept some investors away in the past? A little consistency naman para when you ask others to be fair its credible.

 

And you missed the boat again on the hostage fiasco. I guess some people are hellbent on deflecting the blame. And we wonder why our national character is weak.

[CUMonYou]

"means that the majority of the people's wish and needs are what he will be implementing"

How will these wishes be determined if they are not articulated first? Isn't it precisely the fact that we are a democracy that makes it possible to say what you want to the president who, after all, works for you?

 

"Kung lahat ng pinoy na lang boss eh di ginawa namang santa clause si Pnoy? doesnt make sense right?"

 

Meron na bang nagsabi na ganon dapat? Wala bang utak yung presidente na lahat na lang ng sasabihin sa kanya ay susundin nya? Yun ba ang sinabi ko? Sabi ko lang, pwede magsalita.

 

Fail ang comprehension teh. Siguro kailangan mag vitamins ka. Yung may B complex ha.

Onem your comments are not in any way constructive...Why? well lets just say that your criticisms are not in nature something beneficial for the people but for your own..You clearly said taht he declared that the people is the bossing..I believe the trust rating regardless if there is a survey or not his credibility and trust given by the people will speak for itself..I dont see anything on your criticisms on any previous post that will make the philippines a better country that it is today but your making debate for personal reasons and agenda..You can speak your mind pero speak in the concern of the majority and for the benefit of those bossing...We are a democracy but saying something not in any way beneficial for the people is definitely pointless just like so many of the critics here...Just like your theory about a conspiracy that I dont how did you came up with such in the first place....It doesnt do the people any good to make baseless conspiracy theories..Nasobrahan ka siguro sa mga spy novels etc..

 

Pnoy is not god he is human and after several presidents we have found someone that the international community trust regardless what his detractors say against him..Yan ang characteristic ng isang taong hindi naghahangad ng self recognization but doing his job..He hasnt done anything that will falter out faith in him so why start being an ASS?!!

Edited September 29, 2010 by CUMonYou

[Mike Chester]

The President gave the specific order to use the SAF. The ground commander did not follow this order. His head must roll. To his (Gen. Magtibay) credit. He willingly fell on his sword shortly after the incident.

 

I fully doubt the IIRC report when it was mentioned that you ask your colonel to send the message to your General to use the SAF.

 

Bakit wala sa mga naunang statements mo na inask mo na gamitin ang SAF? If you sincerely placed this command during the crisis bakit hindi mo nabanggit sa mga nauna mong press conferences ito at bakit sa IIRC report lang lumabas? Whitewash?

[skitz]

Alright DB, yes I am a little exasperated at this point. And it is unfortunate that you should be on the receiving end of that frustration as you are the only one "logical" left on your side.

 

So alright, PNoy gets some CREDIT. But let me dare say he gets MOST of the credit.

 

And if you would take the effort to backread the thread on the hostage crisis, even I conceded that PNoy should share in the blame. I did not even mention Gloria there. But given the double standards shown here by the recent posts, I HAD TO PLAY THAT GAME. Kung si Gloria pa rin ang dahilan ng new investments in the PNoy administration, e di si Gloria pa rin ang dapat i-blame sa hostage crisis. I only demonstrated that I can play that game too.

 

As to me attacking Gloria during her time? Well, the difference between her and PNoy is, SHE WAS NEVER A LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT. I marched in EDSA to help oust Erap. I supported Gloria in her first years in office. But when she betrayed this TRUST, when SHE CHEATED to a second term, then I had no recourse but to reverse that support. And yes, if PNoy betrays this same trust, that we, who voted for him have given him, you can bet I will start attacking him as well. But for now, GIVE THE MAN A BREAK. Let him take a legitimate shot at succeeding (and take the whole country along for the ride). Huwag naman automatic batikos machines na lang lahat tayo. Kung meron ng tunay na dahilan para patalsikin si PNoy, handa akong mag-marcha ulit sa EDSA. I am NOT pro PNoy. I am pro PINOY.

Edited September 29, 2010 by skitz

[skitz]

I fully doubt the IIRC report when it was mentioned that you ask your colonel to send the message to your General to use the SAF.

 

Bakit wala sa mga naunang statements mo na inask mo na gamitin ang SAF? If you sincerely placed this command during the crisis bakit hindi mo nabanggit sa mga nauna mong press conferences ito at bakit sa IIRC report lang lumabas? Whitewash?

 

I am sorry Mike Chester, but if I remember correctly, this bit of info came a day after the incident. Natabunan na lang siguro sa daming side issues. But the specific order was given. Kaya nga talagang si Gen. Magtibay ay walang lusot. He defied a direct order from the commander in chief himself. And for what? Petty branch rivalries (uso sa mga armed services).

[Mike Chester]

I am sorry Mike Chester, but if I remember correctly, this bit of info came a day after the incident. Natabunan na lang siguro sa daming side issues. But the specific order was given. Kaya nga talagang si Gen. Magtibay ay walang lusot. He defied a direct order from the commander in chief himself. And for what? Petty branch rivalries (uso sa mga armed services).

 

Well, if it is indeed noynoy ordered that one, and he said that he was monitoring the situation, he could have seen clearly that there was a blatant insubordination on his command which causes the main kapalpakan of that tragedy. Dapat immediately he could have informed everyone that his command was not followed and he should immediately fired his generals, the insubordination already happened right under his nose.

 

But what happened was that after the incident he placed mainly the blame on the media and on the MPD, and none on the insubordination. Bakit hindi niya hinighlight na hindi sinunod ang pinag utos niya as Commander-in-Chief ng tatlong heneral niya?

 

That's why Im more inclined to believe that this report is just a whitewash para linisin ang pangalan ni noynoy.

[kookoochiao]

As to me attacking Gloria during her time? Well, the difference between her and PNoy is, SHE WAS NEVER A LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT. I marched in EDSA to help oust Erap. I supported Gloria in her first years in office. But when she betrayed this TRUST, when SHE CHEATED to a second term, then I had no recourse but to reverse that support. And yes, if PNoy betrays this same trust, that we, who voted for him have given him, you can bet I will start attacking him as well. But for now, GIVE THE MAN A BREAK. Let him take a legitimate shot at succeeding (and take the whole country along for the ride). Huwag naman automatic batikos machines na lang lahat tayo. Kung meron ng tunay na dahilan para patalsikin si PNoy, handa akong mag-marcha ulit sa EDSA. I am NOT pro PNoy. I am pro PINOY.

 

I will hold you to your word on this. In a year or so, there will be news which might shake this country again.

[camiar]

Well, if it is indeed noynoy ordered that one, and he said that he was monitoring the situation, he could have seen clearly that there was a blatant insubordination on his command which causes the main kapalpakan of that tragedy. Dapat immediately he could have informed everyone that his command was not followed and he should immediately fired his generals, the insubordination already happened right under his nose.

 

But what happened was that after the incident he placed mainly the blame on the media and on the MPD, and none on the insubordination. Bakit hindi niya hinighlight na hindi sinunod ang pinag utos niya as Commander-in-Chief ng tatlong heneral niya?

 

That's why Im more inclined to believe that this report is just a whitewash para linisin ang pangalan ni noynoy.

 

Hoy Noy!

 

Read Mike Chester's post very carefully. You might learn a little about leadership and power play.

 

Noy, that hostage fiasco report actually admitted and even declared to the world your totally weak leadership. You should fire De Lima.

 

If you really ordered the ground commander to use SAF, and he disobeyed, you should have relieved him and his generals immediately right after the firefight. The commander-in-chief's orders are inviolable. Nobody can countermand the orders of the commander-in-chief without suffering immediate consequences. Yet, you allowed the report to declare that you, as c-in-c, were ignored by your own men!

 

A commander will not allow own soldiers to disobey him without getting severely punished IMMEDIATELY. That's rule number one in military power play. But you did not do anything when you were disobeyed. Why? I know why. It's because you're a frigging LIAR. You never issued those orders.

[niceNslow.2]

dear pnoy,

 

since pinagmamalaki mo yung investment or mga investor na dala mo galing usa, siguro naman panahon na para tingnan mo naman ang kapakanan ng mga manggagawang PILIPINO! or magiging kagaya ka din nila na pahihirapan mo ang mga taong nagtiwala at bumoto sayo? kontraktuwal na mga empleyado, bawas benefits etc...

[skitz]

MC,

 

The breach fiasco was one of the last things that happened. Before that, PNoy allowed the ground commander to take care of the situation, giving only the specific order that should a breach attempt be made, use the very BEST team available (and PNoy was informed that that would be the SAF). The situation was ok. Hostages were being released without shots being fired. That is until that moment when the cry baby of a madman's brother was arrested on live TV. And Gen. Magtibay was immediately relieved (even when he had already removed himself by taking a leave from the service).

Edited September 29, 2010 by skitz

[skitz]

I will hold you to your word on this. In a year or so, there will be news which might shake this country again.

Deal. You should have seen my posts from way before when I was the number one defender of Gloria (even if I didn't vote for her). It was only when the Garci tapes came out that I had to reverse positions. If PNoy commits an IMPEACHABLE offense, I give my word, I will rescind my support for the man. Not only that, I will join the ranks of those who would try to remove him from office. Like I said, I am not PRO-PNOY, I am PRO-PINOY.

[skitz]

dear pnoy,

 

since pinagmamalaki mo yung investment or mga investor na dala mo galing usa, siguro naman panahon na para tingnan mo naman ang kapakanan ng mga manggagawang PILIPINO!

I second this motion.