Pacquiao-Mayweather: “It’s going to happen”

[Hari ng Spakol]

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Finally! the long wait is over.

[rooster69ph]

Lol, ang tanong ginusto ba talaga ni Manny noon na sya mismo makipagnegosasyon ng terms sa laban? Papano ba sya nakipagusap noon? Ang alam ko mulat sapul matagal ng sinasabi kay manny to be his own boss at sya kumausap mismo kay mayweather. Nung nagkausap sila mismo, a few weeks later terms were agreed up. But you will still not vindicate Floyd probably. Not even after manny loses to him

 

Unfortunately instead of answering my question if there was a counter offer made by Floyd when Manny rejected his low ball offer, you question whether Manny wanted to negotiate for the term. Obviously there was none. Your thinking is a bit off considering what is there to negotiate when no one comes forward. floyd called manny and he could have easily called him again to raise the offer...did he?

 

Hay naku tigilan mo ako sa sinasabi mo na silang dalawa magusap at kinikwestiyon mo pa kung handa bang makipagusap si mannny. hahahaha...gusto mo pang baligtarin ang sitwasyon. Alam natin na "open" to negotiation si Manny. Nakapagusap sila dati. Pero walang ginawang follow-up si Floyd given that he wants to take the lead in this promotion.

 

Pati un mga demands ni Floyd tulad nun drug test unti-unting napapayag si Manny. Its really about the $$$ offer of Floyd. Kasi alam natin na nagusap na sila dati pero binarat lang ni Floyd si Manny na kala niya kakagat. At nun hindi ano ang ginawa niya? Katakut-takot na panguudyok na umabot sa demandahan? Tapos nun hindi talaga uubra ang style nila sa negosasyon humirit si Floyd na gahaman si Manny para ano siya ang magmukhang masama? Ang kaso hinamon ni manny na maglaban sila at lahat ng kikitain ibigay sa charity...kinagat ba? tameme na naman si Floyd.

 

O e anu na ngayon? Would the fight be consumated if hindi nila bayaran ng tama si Manny kahit na isang taon pa na silang dalawa lang magusap.

 

Ibibigay niyo rin pala un split revenue sharing na sana nun una pa lang binigay na ninyo at baka sakali part 3 na laban na itong inaabangan natin sa mayo 2.

 

Sa totoo lang feeling ko manny probably deserve the 60/40 split more 5 years ago than today. If i am not mistaken, It was Floyd who was the underdog in the las vegas odds when news broke out of a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather bout then.

Edited February 21, 2015 by rooster69ph

[Agent_mulder]

 

Ang tanong ko, bakit laging kasalanan ito ni Mayweather? Bakit pag walang kontratang napirmahan unang assumption nyo takot sya kay Pacquiao. Kung may dapat sya katakutan, ano? Na matatalo siya ni Pacquiao? Eh bat di nyo masagot sagot ang simpleng tanong na papano sya matatalo? Skillwise, alam natin na hirap si Pacquiao sa precision boxers. Yung mga di laging pasugod ang laro.

 

Laging kasalanan ni Mayweather, samantalan nung May 2012, si Bob Arum naman ang hindi pumayag na tanggapin ni Pacquiao hamon. Ang dahilan kelangan pa daw magpagawa ng outdoor stadium sa strip, at kelangan pa pagalingin putok sa kilay mula sa laban kay Marquez. Ironically, a month after than, kinasa naman ni Bob Arum si Manny kay Bradley at dun pa natalo. lol.

 

So kung si Pacquiao magpalusot, ok lang?

 

x x x

 

Ngayon naniniwala na ako dahil me contract na, date at venue na! To answer your question, si Mayweather lang naman ang nagde-demand ng kung ano-anong outrageous/out-of-this-world clause in the past para lumaban ke Manny, if you asked why? To be able to dodge Manny!

[Edmund Dantes]

Unfortunately instead of answering my question if there was a counter offer made by Floyd when Manny rejected his low ball offer, you question whether Manny wanted to negotiate for the term. Obviously there was none. Your thinking is a bit off considering what is there to negotiate when no one comes forward. floyd called manny and he could have easily called him again to raise the offer...did he?

 

Hay naku tigilan mo ako sa sinasabi mo na silang dalawa magusap at kinikwestiyon mo pa kung handa bang makipagusap si mannny. hahahaha...gusto mo pang baligtarin ang sitwasyon. Alam natin na "open" to negotiation si Manny. Nakapagusap sila dati. Pero walang ginawang follow-up si Floyd given that he wants to take the lead in this promotion.

 

Pati un mga demands ni Floyd tulad nun drug test unti-unting napapayag si Manny. Its really about the $$$ offer of Floyd. Kasi alam natin na nagusap na sila dati pero binarat lang ni Floyd si Manny na kala niya kakagat. At nun hindi ano ang ginawa niya? Katakut-takot na panguudyok na umabot sa demandahan? Tapos nun hindi talaga uubra ang style nila sa negosasyon humirit si Floyd na gahaman si Manny para ano siya ang magmukhang masama? Ang kaso hinamon ni manny na maglaban sila at lahat ng kikitain ibigay sa charity...kinagat ba? tameme na naman si Floyd.

 

O e anu na ngayon? Would the fight be consumated if hindi nila bayaran ng tama si Manny kahit na isang taon pa na silang dalawa lang magusap.

 

Ibibigay niyo rin pala un split revenue sharing na sana nun una pa lang binigay na ninyo at baka sakali part 3 na laban na itong inaabangan natin sa mayo 2.

 

Sa totoo lang feeling ko manny probably deserve the 60/40 split more 5 years ago than today. If i am not mistaken, It was Floyd who was the underdog in the las vegas odds when news broke out of a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather bout then.

 

Blah blah blah! Most of what you are saying here are trivial at this point. Moreover it reflects you lack of knowledge sa timeline ng negosasyon at sa mismong sport na ito. Sus, typical pactard.

 

A meeting took place, weeks later contracts were singed. Even the 2 networks easily came to agreement. Looks to me, all Floyd really wanted was that sila mismo magusap at magkaharap. Natural! Mahirap makipagtawaran ng malaking pera sa taong di mo nakakausap personal. At ano gusto mo? Ibunyag sana ni Floyd Negotiation strategy nya sa media? Ayus! Eh di siningitan sya ni Bob Arum at maiisahan nanaman sya. Ano sya tanga? So inantay nya na sila magusap. Para sakin, nagpakumbaba na tao sa gesture na ito. Sya na lumapit kay Pacquiao at kumatok sa pinto nya. Ilang linggo lang ayus na? O di ba? Hindi naman pala sya mahirap kausapin eh.

 

Dapat nga vindicated na si Floyd sa mga paratang dahil ayan na kontrata, napakadali nasettle lahat ng problema with just one meeting. Kahit yung 2 network na magkatunggali mabilis na nagkasundo. Kung 5 years ago pa ito nangyari, eh di sana walang problema. Baka pati sa issue ng drug testing madali din nagkumprumiso yung tao kung si Manny mismo lumakad nito.

 

Ikaw ang tumigil kakasabi na willing si Manny makipagnegosasyon na sya mismo at hindi yung middlemen nya. Di kasi sinusundan tama yung timeline eh. Ano ba sabi lagi ni Manny noon? "Talk to my promoter, sya na bahala dyan". "If the fight happens, good, if not Im ok with it also". Nagsasagutan lang sila sa mga media interview at social media. Kung talagang desidido si Manny, dapat nagassert sya sa promoter nya na ito ang gusto nyang laban at gusto nya sya mismo makikipagusap. Matagal na actually sinasabi ni Floyd na "Be your own boss manny, and lets talk, Im not difficult to find, check out the guy with the best rolls royce in vegas". Hayz

 

Kung talagang umiiwas lang sya kay Manny, sana nagretire na lang sya. Parang si Leonard. Panay retire para di mapressure na labanan si Hagler. lol. Wala naman dahilan para iwasan nya si Manny, kasi unang una, kikita naman sya. Pangalawa, kayang kaya nya naman talunin yung tao.

 

Hindi rin kahit kelan naging favorite si Manny sa matchup na ito sus. Underdog sya consistently sa mga betting odds ano ka ba. Don't even get started with the demolishon of Hatton and a Dela Hoya who was not even healthy when he fought them. You gotta understand that boxing is about style. Hindi lang ito parang basagan ng mukha tulad sa napapanood mo sa rocky series. Tactical finesse din ang larong ito at dyan magaling si Mayweather.

 

Hirap kasi sa inyong mga pactards, ang crux lang naman ng reasoning nyo Mayweather = Bad, Pacquiao = Good. Hindi ito pinoy action flick kung saan yun bida na mabait ang laging mananalo. At isa pa, Mayweather never wanted Manny to be the bad guy. Thats his role in the sport. To be the bad guy. Can't you see? He is deliberately making people hate him. Because you watch him fight either to see him win, or hope hed lose. Eitherway he gets paid

Edited February 22, 2015 by Edmund Dantes

[Edmund Dantes]

 

Ngayon naniniwala na ako dahil me contract na, date at venue na! To answer your question, si Mayweather lang naman ang nagde-demand ng kung ano-anong outrageous/out-of-this-world clause in the past para lumaban ke Manny, if you asked why? To be able to dodge Manny!

 

Actually, Floyd should be vindicated already. Nagpakumbaba na nga yung tao at sya na mismo kumatok sa pintuan nya at ilang linggo matapos, ayus na usapan.

 

Kayo kasi, tingin nyo dito parang pelikula na laging kelangan kampihan kung sino yung bida.

[Doctor Juris]

game na. patumbahin na si Gayweather!!!! 5 rounds!!!!!!

[Edmund Dantes]

I read somewhere that the meeting in Miami was not accidental. Money knew somehow that Manny would be in that Heat game.

 

More than the drug tests, more than the split, all Floyd really wanted was a meeting with Pacquiao himself to explain his own business proposition. Of course he will not disclose this to the media. The mere fact that it was Floyd who approached and knocked on Manny's door proved that he does want this fight to happen.

 

I do not really see why he would dodge manny, considering he is his biggest payday, and most of all skillwise he is better than him

[Edmund Dantes]

Manny is blessed with quickness and power. Money is gifted with cat-quick reflexes that is why opponents' punches, more often than not, don't hit their target because Money is already out of the strike zone even before the punch gets there. In terms of smarts, Mayweather is it. His unblemished record speaks for itself. This is my take, for Pacquiao to win, he has to maximize his side to side movement and hit Money at angles. A moving target is much more difficult to hit than a stationary target so Manny has to be in constant movement. Also, Manny should put constant pressure by not letting up with his moving attack.

 

Isa pa, dapat marunong din sya dumepensa o lumaban pag napapaatras na. Tignan mo yung kay Marquez, pag nahuhuli sya pag pasok, at mapipilitan sya umatras wala na di na alam gagawin kaya napupuruhan ng combination

[shadow555]

Haay salamat tapos na yung Debate! (Granted I just joined in now)

We should stop talking about who was avoiding who, etc. the fight is a done deal.

Now comes the way more exciting part, which the guys already started.

Now we can discuss about each other's take on the fighter's skills.

 

Pacquiao being Pinoy my heart is rooting for him. But I agree with the others who says that Brains and skills, lamang si Mayweather. Just take a look at the initial Odds that are being given. Dehado si Manny.

 

As mentioned, Mayweather is a "smarter" fighter, he will counter punch Manny if he is given the opportunity all day long.

Manny should learn from his last Knockout loss, same thing might happen to him. So he should train and watch out for that.

 

I also again agree to those that said that Manny should forget everything that he is doing that is not boxing related, sobrand daming distractions. I think May is actually quite short for him to prepare. Si Money professional talaga yan, if he is not training his is running his big mouth off, which plays to his advantage as a pro boxer, you either like him or hate him, even if you hate him, you want to watch him and root for the other guy to beat him up, but so far this has not happened yet.

 

So going back, what do you guys think should Manny do to beat the crap out of Money?

What do you think Money should do to beat the crap out of Manny?

You guys think there will be a knockout?

 

To start it off, I think if Manny wants to win, he needs to make Money feel his fists early. But fight smart.

He should not let the crowd "pressure him" to start brawling with Money.

Manny has been KOed, Money has not. I'd like to see Money take his first loss with a KO, but I'm not going to bet money on it.

[Sadmellow]

this is indeed the boxing match that everyone is waiting for, so hard to choose on who to bet? i think i'll just watch haha so no money damage on me

[Silent Partner]

baka ma dissapoint lang tayo pag puro takbuhan lang mangyari

dito sa laban na ito

[RED2018]

Pacman should drop every extra curricular tasks/activities he has, and just focus on his training and game planlaid out by coach Roach. He should discuss with his team and agree on a master plan, and execute every details of the preparation from thereon.

 

As a starter, he should improve his condition/stamina as he should relentlessly attack (with calibrated caution) Floyd. He should be the aggressor throughout the fight and overwhelm him with punches the way he's done in the past. It's easier said than done; you only need to revisit Pacquiao’s fights against Juan Manuel Marquez to see that accurate counterpunching is Pacman’s kryptonite. Mayweather is faster and more elusive than Marquez.Floyd will make Pacquiao overreach and miss and make him pay. Mayweather can win a round that way even if he connects less than five punches in three minutes.

 

On a brighter note (for us rooting for Pacman), Money has shown signs of vulnerability. He was tagged by Shane Mosley in 2010, two years later a slower Miguel Cotto managed to connect, and a swarming Marcos Maidana more than had his moments last year. But Mayweather has managed to win most of the rounds in those fights through his uncanny ability to adapt and adjust. Pacman plays chess but engaging Mayweather in a chess match may not be the way to go. But he may be left with no other choice.

 

This fight will be decided by round by round adjustments. Aside from Money’s recent fights, the video of Mayweather’s 2006 fight with southpaw Zab Judah may prove valuable for Team Pacquiao’s preparations. Pacquiao will have to work on cutting off the ring, slipping through Mayweather’s defense and may need more than one knockdown to take this fight. Pacman’s left is still a potent threat. But he should minimize his mistakes, because Mayweather’s reflexes will surely capitalize.

 

Pacquiao will also need to turn back the hands of time a bit. Many feel this fight would have been better five years ago, so Pacquiao should fight like he is five years younger.

[Edmund Dantes]

Haay salamat tapos na yung Debate! (Granted I just joined in now)

We should stop talking about who was avoiding who, etc. the fight is a done deal.

Now comes the way more exciting part, which the guys already started.

Now we can discuss about each other's take on the fighter's skills.

 

Pacquiao being Pinoy my heart is rooting for him. But I agree with the others who says that Brains and skills, lamang si Mayweather. Just take a look at the initial Odds that are being given. Dehado si Manny.

 

As mentioned, Mayweather is a "smarter" fighter, he will counter punch Manny if he is given the opportunity all day long.

Manny should learn from his last Knockout loss, same thing might happen to him. So he should train and watch out for that.

 

I also again agree to those that said that Manny should forget everything that he is doing that is not boxing related, sobrand daming distractions. I think May is actually quite short for him to prepare. Si Money professional talaga yan, if he is not training his is running his big mouth off, which plays to his advantage as a pro boxer, you either like him or hate him, even if you hate him, you want to watch him and root for the other guy to beat him up, but so far this has not happened yet.

 

So going back, what do you guys think should Manny do to beat the crap out of Money?

What do you think Money should do to beat the crap out of Manny?

You guys think there will be a knockout?

 

To start it off, I think if Manny wants to win, he needs to make Money feel his fists early. But fight smart.

He should not let the crowd "pressure him" to start brawling with Money.

Manny has been KOed, Money has not. I'd like to see Money take his first loss with a KO, but I'm not going to bet money on it.

 

 

Like I said, bull vs matador fight ito. Manny is the Bull. Mayweather will use Manny's agression against him. If he comes in sticking his chin out in thick air like he did kay Marquez, it will be a short night. Manny should really do his homework. Aralin nya pano magadjust sa stance ni Mayweather. Ang hirap tamaan nung g@go. The shoulder roll defense is almost impregnable. Add to that maganda din reflexes ni Mayweather. Si Marquez natatamaan ni Manny pag pumapasok sya, problema, napupuruhan din sya at pag napilitan syang umatras, di na alam gagawin.

 

 

Before, I used to believe that the reason why Money avoided Manny was the former was scared of the latter. My belief was enhanced by the opinion-makers in media. I think the whole nation and fans of Pacquiao from other countries believed that convenient reason. Apparently, that wasn't the case. There is a saying that if you want something done right, do it yourself and after 5 years of waiting, Money did just that when he decided that he had to speak to Manny to fix the bout between themselves before Arum could negotiate for Manny and when Money had the chance, he grabbed it and spoke to Manny in the Heat arena and then in his hotel room for an hour and the result: the richest match in boxing history. That move by Money earned him my respect that's why it's hard for me to hate him now. However, I will be rooting for Manny.

 

Add to that, it is easy to hate Floyd because he constantly puts himself in the shoes of the villain. That is why his fights sell. You either watch his fights because you enjoy watching his boxing wizardly, or you think he is a douchebag and you wanna see him get beaten up. Akala ng marami makakakasama sa kanya financially na di matuloy tuloy laban kay Pacquiao, pero kung tutuusin, lalo nga tumataas PPV nya. Nakakaabot sya 1M PPV buys on the average kahit hindi naman major PPV attraction kalaban nya (i.e. Ortiz, Guerrero, Maidana). Kaya tama yan, lalo nya inaasar ang mga nanonood sa kanya sa 24/7 tsaka sa all access. Personally, minsan kasi tingin ko, OA na nga yung pagiinarte nya na villain. Im like, "Oh come on man! now you are just trying too damn hard to be a douchebag".

 

Manny on the otherhand is easy to love. He has a good PR people behind him. He is projected as this humble guy who carries the weight of his own country. He is entertaining to watch sure. But look what happens pag di naman PPV attraction kalaban nya. Ngayon nga declining na PPV numbers nya din.

 

baka ma dissapoint lang tayo pag puro takbuhan lang mangyari

dito sa laban na ito

 

Dude you think hed be 47-0 kung puro takbo lang ginagawa nya? if there is one thing the judges hate its those na tumatakbo at nagtatakip lang. Kaya nga natalo si Dela Hoya noon kay Trinidad kasi sa later rounds, nagcruise lang sya. Mayweather is a late starter, precision boxers are like that. They try to figure you out muna, then as the rounds progress they begin to dismantle you and in the latter rounds they rally. Isa pa, boxing is a game of tactical finesse as well its not that BS you saw in Rocky IV.

[darkspider]

focus will play an important role sa fight na to, no question about talent,skills, conditioning.. so many things running on pacman's mind now..

[vkalbos]

Dapat ibalik ni Manny ang pagkain ng saluyot at mais para matalo nya si floyd.