Annulment 101

[wizard23]

would like to get your legal opinion on this case:

 

husband and wife got annulled last 2006. at that time they had a daughter. their daughter then was 7 years old. within a couple of years, ex wife got married again and migrated to the US, petitioned by her Fil-am husband. daughter was left to the care of my brother. ex wife visits every year to be with daughter and live in her house here.

 

now ex wife is in the US trying to petition daughter. daughter doesn't like to live in the US. daughter is now 10 years old. ex wife claims she still has custody of the child. ex husband plans to resist the petition.

 

who has the right to keep the daughter? can the daughter choose? can ex husband file custody of the child? tnx.

[rocco69]

sabi mo wala kayong marriage license. ang tanong: nagpakasal ba kayo sa isa't-isa? kung nagpakasal kayo ng walang marriage license (assuming na hindi naman kayo gumawa ng affidavit na nagsasama kayo ng ng limang taon bago ang kasal), kahit pa di nakalista sa NSO ang kasal mo, kailangan mo pa ring magsampa ng kaso sa korte para ipawalang-bisa ito (altho madali lang ito at malakas na dahilan ang walang marriage license sa kasal.)

 

kung hindi naman talaga kayo nagpakasal, i-inform mo lang ang SSS, BIR, company mo, etc., na ikaw ay single at di talaga kayo kasal nung kinakasama mo.

 

Ei peeps! Ask ko lang kase wala kame marriage license ng wife ko pero all legal documents namin like our daughter's birth cert. naka lagay na married kame. Nag issue na NSO ng cenomar so meaning single ako, sad to say di rin nagtagal relationship namin since she cheated on me. Problem ko now ay mag apply ako ng pag ibig loan, however, ang docs ko like company records, sss, ITR etc ay married ako. Dunno what to do, as per developer pinapirma ako ng deed of undertaking

para palabasin na estranged kame at ang dating ay "married to" instead of "spouses". Anu kaya sir maganda ko gawin? Need your help badly. Thanks :goatee:

[rocco69]

may sinasabi ba sa 2006 annulment decision kung kanino mapupunta ang bata?

 

would like to get your legal opinion on this case:

 

husband and wife got annulled last 2006. at that time they had a daughter. their daughter then was 7 years old. within a couple of years, ex wife got married again and migrated to the US, petitioned by her Fil-am husband. daughter was left to the care of my brother. ex wife visits every year to be with daughter and live in her house here.

 

now ex wife is in the US trying to petition daughter. daughter doesn't like to live in the US. daughter is now 10 years old. ex wife claims she still has custody of the child. ex husband plans to resist the petition.

 

who has the right to keep the daughter? can the daughter choose? can ex husband file custody of the child? tnx.

[wizard23]

may sinasabi ba sa 2006 annulment decision kung kanino mapupunta ang bata?

 

opo. eto yung nakasulat sa decision:

 

The custody of the parties' common child is hereby awarded to the petitioner subject to visitorial rights of the respondent.

 

 

but the fact remains. the petitioner or the mother left the common child to be with the respondent or father right after the decision was handed, remarried and lived with her new husband in the US. they tried to make a baby to no avail. i think 3 times na miscarriage. now she is demanding to have the child go with her and live with her in the US. the child doesn't want anymore, doesn't miss her mommy and commented na lagi naman daw sya umaalis. does the respondent/father have a case against the petitioner as to who should have custody of the common child/daughter?

 

thank you.

Edited November 17, 2009 by wizard23

[rocco69]

yup, the father can file a petition to have custody awarded to him given that the husband seems better-suited to take care of the daughter.

 

dahil nga may decision, the husband should file a case rather than just wait (kung wala kasing decision, pwede sanang maghintay na lang siya na magkaso ang asawa).

 

incidentally, check nya rin ang priority dates ng petitions for children below 21. ang understanding ko, Oct 22, 1993 ang priority date ngayon (ibig sabihin petitions filed on or before that date pa lang ang prino-process). baka naman malaki na ang anak niya by the time the petition goes through (16 years backlog eh). sayang din naman at baka mas mapaganda ang buhay ng anak niya as a US citizen later.

 

for permanent residents petitioning for their children (kung tama ang pagkakaintindi ko sa concept ng priority date - immigration gurus, pls. correct me if i'm wrong here) the priority date is Aug. 15, 05, so mga 4-5 years pa bago mag-push through ang petition, 15 years old na ang anak niya nun kung ganun (rather than questioning the filing of the petition, i-delay na lang niya ng ilang taon ang filing nito para pag tumakbo na, nasa edad na ang anak niya when the petition pushes through).

 

opo. eto yung nakasulat sa decision:

 

The custody of the parties' common child is hereby awarded to the petitioner subject to visitorial rights of the respondent.

 

 

but the fact remains. the petitioner or the mother left the common child to be with the respondent or father right after the decision was handed, remarried and lived with her new husband in the US. they tried to make a baby to no avail. i think 3 times na miscarriage. now she is demanding to have the child go with her and live with her in the US. the child doesn't want anymore, doesn't miss her mommy and commented na lagi naman daw sya umaalis. does the respondent/father have a case against the petitioner as to who should have custody of the common child/daughter?

 

thank you.

[wizard23]

thanks so much atty. so that mean kahit di na i resist ang petition, di naman agad agad mapapapunta ang anak sa US in the next 4 to 5 years. so pwede na din. of age na din ang bata mag decide. and tama ka. it's better to petition her this early para by the time she's ready to follow sa US, nasa college years na. just in time to start preparing for her future/career.

[jcsantos]

tanong lang po, kung sakali na grant ang annulment pagkatapos yung mother e inde sinunod yung tungkol sa visitation right ng asawa nya,

 

yung bang asawang lalaki pwede idemanda yung asawang babae ?

 

thanks

[rocco69]

kung nakalagay naman yung visitation rights nung lalaki sa decision ng court, di na niya kailangang magsampa ng bagong kaso. mag-file lang siya ng motion for execution with the court, para ipatupad ang decision.

 

o di kaya'y motion for contempt, dahil di sinusunod ang utos ng hukuman.

 

 

tanong lang po, kung sakali na grant ang annulment pagkatapos yung mother e inde sinunod yung tungkol sa visitation right ng asawa nya,

 

yung bang asawang lalaki pwede idemanda yung asawang babae ?

 

thanks

[big_d12fighter]

i dont know if this is applicable in this thread. tanong ko lang po kung ang property na hinulugan pa will still be subject as conjugal property while annulment is on process.

ano ang pwedeng gawin para hindi ito mabilang sa conjugal property. Pwede bang palipat ito sa ibang pangalan kahit walang consent ng other half, dahil ako naman ang nagbabayad from the very start. Ano ang pinakamagandang gawin in this case.

 

Salamat po.

[rocco69]

1. kasama ba sa conjugal property ang property na hinulugan pa while annulment is on process?

 

ang tanong, kelan kayo ikinasal? kung kayo ay ikinasal on or after Aug. 3, 1988, ang ari-arian nyo ay hindi conjugal property kundi absolute community property. sa ilalim ng rehimen na ito, lahat na pag-aari mo ng kayo ay ikasal ay ay pag-aari na rin ng asawa mo. ang sweldo mo ay hindi mo lang pag-aari kundi pag-aari na rin ng asawa mo.

 

dahil dito, ang hinuhulugan mong property ay pag-aari nyo pareho (kung ito ay naisalin na sa pangalan mo nung ikasal kayo). Dahil pag-aari nyo na ito pareho, kung ito ay ibebenta o iliipat sa iba, kailangan may consent mula sa asawa mo. Kung walang pahintulot, ang pagbenta o paglipat ay walang bisa (see Art. 96, Family Code). maari itong habulin ng asawa mo.

 

ang isa namang posibilidad ay wala pa sa pangalan mo ang property dahil hinuhulugan mo pa ito (contract to sell lang kumbaga, kung saan nangangako ang developer na kapag fully-paid na, dun lang niya ibibigay ang Deed of Absolute Sale sa property). pero kung sweldo mo naman ang ginagamit sa paghuhulog dito, may parte pa rin ang asawa mo dito dahil ang sweldo mo nga ay sweldo rin niya.

 

ngayon, sabi mo na on process na ang annulment mo. ang kutob ko, ito ay hindi annulment kundi "declaration of nullity" case. kung "declaration of nullity" ito, hintayin mo na lang ang resulta ng kaso. kung ma-grant ang petition, sasabihin ng korte na walang bisa ang kasal mo mula simula. dahil walang bisa mula sa simula, walang kasalang naganap at lalabas na walang absolute community property. kung ano lang ang aktuwal na kontribusyon ng asawa mo sa property ang siyang magiging parte niya dito. Kaso lang, sabi rin ng batas, sa ganung sitwasyon, ang sweldo mo habang kayo ay nagsasama ay pag-aari nyo pareho kaya me parte pa rin siya sa property. at ayun na rin sa batas, di mo rin pwede ilipat ng walang pahintulot ng kinakasama mo

 

kaya, sa puno't-dulo, talagang wala kang lusot dito KUNG HAHABULIN ANG PROPERTY ng asawa mo. Kaya, ang pinakamagandang gawin, kausapin mo ang asawa mo kung paano nyo hahatiin ang ari-ariang ito. baka naman mapapayag mo na wag na siyang maghabol.

 

i dont know if this is applicable in this thread. tanong ko lang po kung ang property na hinulugan pa will still be subject as conjugal property while annulment is on process.

ano ang pwedeng gawin para hindi ito mabilang sa conjugal property. Pwede bang palipat ito sa ibang pangalan kahit walang consent ng other half, dahil ako naman ang nagbabayad from the very start. Ano ang pinakamagandang gawin in this case.

 

Salamat po.

[QuadCore]

10 years na po akong separated ( no legal separation, no annulment). may gf po ako sa united kingdom (legal na siya doon), at gusto niya akong makasama doon kaya magtourist daw ako tapos pag nandoon na ako ay saka kami magpakasal. ang tanong ko po ay makakasuhan ba ako?

please comment. salamat po.

[sniper69]

good day mga sirs,

 

ang tanong kopo,

 

ano ba ang details na ipinakaiba ng legal separation sa divorce sa annulment (legal separation-divorce-annulment), di po ba walang divorce sa pinas?

 

kung sakaling granted ang petition ng annulment, pwede na bang magpakasal ulit sa iba both parties or may time duration pa (para hindi silipin ng state)? and ung anak dun sa annulled marriage, magiging illegitimate ba status nila or legitimate pa din?

 

thanks po

[GODzilla]

10 years na po akong separated ( no legal separation, no annulment). may gf po ako sa united kingdom (legal na siya doon), at gusto niya akong makasama doon kaya magtourist daw ako tapos pag nandoon na ako ay saka kami magpakasal. ang tanong ko po ay makakasuhan ba ako?

please comment. salamat po.

 

you are still legally married to your wife so if you will marry your gf then you are liable for bigamy, although the trial courts here in philippines cannot prosecute the same for lack of jurisdiction. the bigger question is if you can marry your gf since you will be required to produce proof that you are still single.

 

my advice to you is to have your marriage annulled here first.

Edited December 14, 2009 by GODzilla

[GODzilla]

good day mga sirs,

 

ang tanong kopo,

 

ano ba ang details na ipinakaiba ng legal separation sa divorce sa annulment (legal separation-divorce-annulment), di po ba walang divorce sa pinas?

 

kung sakaling granted ang petition ng annulment, pwede na bang magpakasal ulit sa iba both parties or may time duration pa (para hindi silipin ng state)? and ung anak dun sa annulled marriage, magiging illegitimate ba status nila or legitimate pa din?

 

thanks po

 

Simply put:

 

Legal separation- severs the marital ties or obligation of the parties to each other without severing the marriage. In effect, parties still married but not obligated to perform marital duties as husband and wife anymore.

 

Annulment- declares as null and void or annuls a void/voidable (defective) marriage.

 

Divorce- annuls a perfectly valid marriage.

 

After the petition is granted, the petitioner must first wait for the certificate of finality and have it registered with the NSO before entering into another marriage. Child/children of annulled marriages still considered legitimate.

[TanglewoodBoy]

backread and i saw the answers, thanks po...

 

so i would be spending 150-200k and the process takes around 6-8months, malabo yata na ako re-marrying again, hehehehehe

 

 

but if i marry abroad, will that be legal here?? thanks sa sasagot!! pero both filipino citizens kami???

Edited December 14, 2009 by TanglewoodBoy