Annulment 101

[glut_func]

correct me if I'm wrong pero mananalo lang naman ang mga annulment cases dito sa pinas pag malakas ang ebidensya mo OR marami lang pera yung nag file, tama ba ko?

 

other than that, madalas nauuwi na lang sa areglo.

[g0ps]

Evidence would always be the same. That which would prove the "psychological incapacity" of either of the spouses. It really depends on the presentation or narration in the petition and testimony tending to prove the same. Otherwise, you will be needing budget for the judge.

[Ladykiller09]

Good day mga sir, maitanong how about you acquired assets during your separation with your ex wife masasabi ba natin still a conjugal property.... Me habol pa din ba sya?

[rocco69]

how about you acquired assets during your separation with your ex wife masasabi ba natin still a conjugal property.... Me habol pa din ba sya?

 

Kung ang ibig mong sabihin sa salitang "ex-wife" ay ito ay naging "ex" mo dahil may desisyon na ang korte na pinapawalang bisa ang kasal ninyo, isa sa mga epekto ng desisyon ng korte ay ang paglusaw ng community property/conjugal property ng mag-asawa, kung kaya't lahat ng ari-arian na maipupundar mo pagkatapos ng desisyon ng korte ay sa iyo lang.

 

pero, kung ang ibig mong sabihin sa salitang "ex-wife" ay ito ay naging "ex" mo dahil kayo ay naghiwalay lamang (ang tawag dito sa batas ay separation de facto), ayon sa Art. 100 ng Family Code:

 

Art. 100. The separation in fact between husband and wife shall not affect the regime of absolute community except that:

(1) The spouse who leaves the conjugal home or refuses to live therein, without just cause, shall not have the right to be supported;

(2) When the consent of one spouse to any transaction of the other is required by law, judicial authorization shall be obtained in a summary proceeding;

(3) In the absence of sufficient community property, the separate property of both spouses shall be solidarily liable for the support of the family. The spouse present shall, upon proper petition in a summary proceeding, be given judicial authority to administer or encumber any specific separate property of the other spouse and use the fruits or proceeds thereof to satisfy the latter's share. (178a)

 

Lumalabas, walang epekto ang basta-basta lang na paghihiwalay, kung kaya't lahat ng maipupundar mo sa panahong kayo ay nagkahiwalay ay pag-aari nyo pa ring pareho, at may habol ang "ex wife" mo (na hindi naman talaga natin matatatatwag na "ex wife" mo dahil kasal pa rin kayo sa isa't-isa).

Edited January 13, 2015 by rocco69

[Ladykiller09]

S rocco maraming salamat po

[butete12]

i would like to ask a question.

 

i would like to push though with my annulment process (nagiipon pa)

 

yung tita ko kasi nag uutus sa akin sa ngayon ng isang separation agreement.

 

meaning isang kasulatan na pwede ipa notario na nagkakasundo kaming mag hiwalay without issues .

tulad ng pag aari-pwede ilagay dun sa agreement na walang habulan sa pag aari

tungkulin sa bata(anak)- pwede ilagay dun na hati kami sa suporta ng bata

 

ano silbi nito?

may power ba ito for the annulment case ?

makakatulong?

 

 

nag back read ako at napansin ko nakalagay e pwede gawing pareho kami may psychological incapacity? so dapat kakasuhan ko sya at dapat kasuhan nya ako ? tama ba pag kakaintindi ko?

[DDL]

pre, i think there's some

 

i would like to ask a question.

 

i would like to push though with my annulment process (nagiipon pa)

 

yung tita ko kasi nag uutus sa akin sa ngayon ng isang separation agreement.

 

meaning isang kasulatan na pwede ipa notario na nagkakasundo kaming mag hiwalay without issues .

tulad ng pag aari-pwede ilagay dun sa agreement na walang habulan sa pag aari

tungkulin sa bata(anak)- pwede ilagay dun na hati kami sa suporta ng bata

 

ano silbi nito?

may power ba ito for the annulment case ?

makakatulong?

 

 

nag back read ako at napansin ko nakalagay e pwede gawing pareho kami may psychological incapacity? so dapat kakasuhan ko sya at dapat kasuhan nya ako ? tama ba pag kakaintindi ko?

 

Pre, i think there's something wrong in your plan. better consult a legal expert first. That agreement will not help you in annulment.

There are only 3 laws covering marriage in Phil, Annulment, Legal Separation and Void Marriage.

 

Legal Separation - if one of the spouses or the children were endangered, parang pinapayagan ng batas na maghiwalay kayo at sine-set nila ung terms ng paghihiwalay. pero dito kasal pa rin kayo, meaning di pwede magpakasal ulit. kung hindi, pwede ka kasuhan ng bigamy. example kung kailan pwede ito, kung nakulong ung asawa mo for 5 yrs or more, may alcohol/drug problem, homosexual, commits adultery, etc. dito the marriage is still valid, and you can't re-marry unless the marriage is void or annulled.

 

Annulment - meaning hindi talaga valid ung marriage in the first place. dito na papasok ung madalas nila ginagamit na psychological incapacity, that the person was not mentally fit nung time na kinasal kayo. mahirap patunayan ito. dito rin papasok ung fraud, incurable STD, or impotence na itinago sa partner before marriage, or ung unconsented marriage for 21 yrs or below.

 

Void - dito naman sinasabi na void ang marriage kung below 18 ung party/ies nung kinasal or hindi authorized ung nagkasal.

 

So pre ung ginagawa nyong doc hindi papasok sa any of the 3 choices above. Siguro it'll stand in court as a "pre-separation-agreement" ninyong magasawa in case isa sa inyo mag-file ng legal separation with a basis. saka hindi mo kakasuhan ng psychological capacity ang isang tao, hindi naman bawal sa batas ang maging psychologically incapacitated. ginagamit nyo lang ung term na psychological incapacity as a ground for annulment.

Edited January 30, 2015 by DDL

[BRAIN FOR HIRE]

i would like to ask a question.

 

i would like to push though with my annulment process (nagiipon pa)

 

yung tita ko kasi nag uutus sa akin sa ngayon ng isang separation agreement.

 

meaning isang kasulatan na pwede ipa notario na nagkakasundo kaming mag hiwalay without issues .

tulad ng pag aari-pwede ilagay dun sa agreement na walang habulan sa pag aari

tungkulin sa bata(anak)- pwede ilagay dun na hati kami sa suporta ng bata

 

ano silbi nito?

may power ba ito for the annulment case ?

makakatulong?

 

 

nag back read ako at napansin ko nakalagay e pwede gawing pareho kami may psychological incapacity? so dapat kakasuhan ko sya at dapat kasuhan nya ako ? tama ba pag kakaintindi ko?

 

Since collusion is something which prevents annulment, that will be proof you are colluding and will probably weaken the case. madami ng nagtry ng ganyan sa notary- it could be illegal based on the wordings therein, and many notaries have been disbarred because of that.

[chups10]

i would like to ask a question.

 

i would like to push though with my annulment process (nagiipon pa)

 

yung tita ko kasi nag uutus sa akin sa ngayon ng isang separation agreement.

 

meaning isang kasulatan na pwede ipa notario na nagkakasundo kaming mag hiwalay without issues .

tulad ng pag aari-pwede ilagay dun sa agreement na walang habulan sa pag aari

tungkulin sa bata(anak)- pwede ilagay dun na hati kami sa suporta ng bata

 

ano silbi nito?

may power ba ito for the annulment case ?

makakatulong?

 

 

nag back read ako at napansin ko nakalagay e pwede gawing pareho kami may psychological incapacity? so dapat kakasuhan ko sya at dapat kasuhan nya ako ? tama ba pag kakaintindi ko?

 

Will answer without legalese

 

ano silbi nito?

 

Walang silbi, hindi naayon sa batas yung ganitong agreement. hindi mo din magagamit na ebidensya sa annulment case.

 

May power ba sa annulment case?

refer to answer above

 

makakatulong?

hindi

 

nag back read ako at napansin ko nakalagay e pwede gawing pareho kami may psychological incapacity? so dapat kakasuhan ko sya at dapat kasuhan nya ako ? tama ba pag kakaintindi ko?

il answer using an example supreme court decision, si amy perez (the artista / broadcaster) nagfile first ng annulment, psychological incapacitated daw si brix ferraris..

dineny ng supreme court, kasi yung hindi pagkakasundo ng mag asawa hindi sapat para maituring na psychological incapacity

now nakapagpakasal siya diba (amy perez), kasi nagfile siya ulit, siya na daw ang psychological incapacitated. pwedeng ikaw, pwedeng siya, though i suggest wag sabay para pwede magfile uli if ever na hindi pwede.

 

hope this helps

[Ricefarmer]

mga sirs pano kung di makaanak? valid po ba un?

[lomex32]

Sadly, this is not a ground for Annulment

Grounds are

1. Homosexuality

2. Incurable sexual disease

3. Psychological Incapacity

 

mga sirs pano kung di makaanak? valid po ba un?

[chups10]

mga sirs pano kung di makaanak? valid po ba un?

SADLY NOT A GROUND

[Ricefarmer]

oh well.... thanks for the replys

[evilson]

Guys, pwedeng humingi ng advice sa inyo kung anong sasabihin ko sa aunt ko

 

Ganito kasi sitwasyon: my aunt, staying at macao, plans to remary a german national in order to get an marrage visa.

Pero she has a child and she still married to my uncle who is now bedridden, in addition tumutuloy na siya sa kanyang kabit for almost more than three months na.

On that note, me contact si aunt ke uncle via her child, ang last communitation nila is almost six months ago, bago sya kinuha ng kabit nya.

Base sa last communication namin between my pamangkin, di na yata sya makapagdesisyon ng matino at medyo humihina na

I dont know much about government pension, pero ang pagakakaalam ko, si aunty pa rin (since sya ang legitimate wife at me hawak syang NSO marrage certificate) ang benificary, since nasa legal age na ang kanyang anak

 

My aunt ask my opinion about this, pero binigyan ko lang sya ng 2 option

1. pwede nyang i annuled ang marrage nilang dalawa in order to get a CENMAR (certificate of no marrage), but since pensyonado si unlce, possibleng mawala sya sa benificiary pag ginawa nya ito

2. hintayin nya na lang na mamatay si uncle so that ang idedeclare sa death certificate nya is si aunt ang widdow, at sya pa rin ang magiging benificiary ng kanyang pensyon at hindi ang kabit nya

 

at base sa usapan namin, parang ang unang option ang gusto nya, ang di ko lang masagot sa kanya are the following:

1. How much and how long it will take to get annuled, at meron bang mas mura dito

2. Pano namin ito lalakarin, kasi since nasa macao sya parang ako na ang magiging middle man niya

3. I dont know kung valid ito sa question ng annulment, pero posible ba na ilipat ni uncle sa kanyang kabit ang kanyang pension if matutuloy ang annulment at pano namin mapreprevent ito

4. Is there any other option maliban sa mga binigay ko na mas mabilis pa dito, parang nagmamadali kasi ang german national e

[chups10]

Guys, pwedeng humingi ng advice sa inyo kung anong sasabihin ko sa aunt ko

 

Ganito kasi sitwasyon: my aunt, staying at macao, plans to remary a german national in order to get an marrage visa.

Pero she has a child and she still married to my uncle who is now bedridden, in addition tumutuloy na siya sa kanyang kabit for almost more than three months na.

On that note, me contact si aunt ke uncle via her child, ang last communitation nila is almost six months ago, bago sya kinuha ng kabit nya.

Base sa last communication namin between my pamangkin, di na yata sya makapagdesisyon ng matino at medyo humihina na

I dont know much about government pension, pero ang pagakakaalam ko, si aunty pa rin (since sya ang legitimate wife at me hawak syang NSO marrage certificate) ang benificary, since nasa legal age na ang kanyang anak

 

My aunt ask my opinion about this, pero binigyan ko lang sya ng 2 option

1. pwede nyang i annuled ang marrage nilang dalawa in order to get a CENMAR (certificate of no marrage), but since pensyonado si unlce, possibleng mawala sya sa benificiary pag ginawa nya ito

2. hintayin nya na lang na mamatay si uncle so that ang idedeclare sa death certificate nya is si aunt ang widdow, at sya pa rin ang magiging benificiary ng kanyang pensyon at hindi ang kabit nya

 

at base sa usapan namin, parang ang unang option ang gusto nya, ang di ko lang masagot sa kanya are the following:

1. How much and how long it will take to get annuled, at meron bang mas mura dito

2. Pano namin ito lalakarin, kasi since nasa macao sya parang ako na ang magiging middle man niya

3. I dont know kung valid ito sa question ng annulment, pero posible ba na ilipat ni uncle sa kanyang kabit ang kanyang pension if matutuloy ang annulment at pano namin mapreprevent ito

4. Is there any other option maliban sa mga binigay ko na mas mabilis pa dito, parang nagmamadali kasi ang german national e

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[JackKirby]

Any recommendation for a good annulment lawyers and ideas on the fees?

[chups10]

Any recommendation for a good annulment lawyers and ideas on the fees?

GOOD IS ACTUALLY SUBJECTIVE.. DEFINE GOOD

[kobejacksingh]

I'm still wondering why divorce ain't allowed in the Philippines. I mean it's the 21st century, I think it's time to push for it in the congress.

[FleurDeLune]

You may try PAO as they might recommend you some relevant info

 

Any recommendation for a good annulment lawyers and ideas on the fees?

[b00mbug]

annulment will usually cost around 250k-300k in legal fees. not lump sum though.

[jazon7099]

This is not to advertise, but just to give info.

I've handled anullment cases which were granted by the courts.

Total na sinisingil ng office nmin is at most 170k in installment basis. The last payment of 50k will be given once the decision is issued by the court.

[mutomuto]

@paolonaz marriage without license is void from the beginning. you have your lawyer file a petition for nullification.

 

@Soundwave illegitimate yun. basta outside of a valid marriage.

[6666]

many factors to consider but in our case, it ranges from 300k to 450k

[bonito99]

Get a lawyer you can trust.

[mutomuto]

iba iba rin kasi ng level of complexity. if the petition is based on article 36, medyo nasa complicated end ng spectrum yan. it's easier to dissolve a marriage by way of lack of marriage license, or bigamous marriage.

Edited August 12, 2015 by mutomuto