SaintPeter5858 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I agree with you Master. The athleticism of KG and Rico should be utilized Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The List: Top 10 Players in Ginebra History http://foto.pk/images/jawo.jpg The team has gone through many names over the years: Gilbey’s Gin, Ginebra San Miguel, Añejo, Gordon’s Gin, and finally, officially, Barangay Ginebra. Still, through all these, the spirit stays the same: Never say die. In this week’s installment of The List, we count down the 10 greatest players in the history of the PBA’s most popular franchise. But before we get to the Top 10, here are some honorable mentions: Francis Arnaiz (1984-1986) The PBA’s original “Mr. Clutch” was Robert Jaworski’s bosom buddy, and the duo was responsible for the team’s sudden rise in popularity upon their transfer to the franchise. A mestizo looker from Ateneo, he was Vince Hizon before Vince Hizon. He retired abruptly in 1986, just before Ginebra won its first PBA title, but he remains in the heart of old-school fans. Vince Hizon (1994-1998) Originally known for his good looks, “The Prince” quickly proved to Ginebra fans that he was not just a pretty boy. His combination of a sweet outside stroke, fearless drives to the hoop, and rugged defense endeared him to the Barangay faithful. Rudy Hatfield (2006-2007, 2009-2012) The “H-Bomb” is one of the most colorful players to ever don the Ginebra uniform. An energy guy, he often feeds off the mammoth crowd that comes to support the Gin Kings. And even though his stint with the team has been marked by prolonged absence, he will certainly go down as a memorable character. Dante Gonzalgo (1986-1993) The league’s original Iron Man, Gonzalgo also had one of the coolest nicknames in the PBA: The Bicol Express. It was a great nickname, because like a train, he often ran down opponents with his combination of size and speed in the backcourt. Younger fans don’t remember that he was Ginebra’s top scorer in the late ’80s — earning a berth in Jaworski’s 1990 Philippine team to the Asian Games in the process — before retiring due to injuries in 1993. Pido Jarencio (1992-1998) After being a super scorer in the college ranks, Jarencio’s first few years in the PBA were a disappointment. A tweener guard, he just couldn’t seem to find his mark in the league. That was until he joined Ginebra in 1992. He kept the team in many games with his hot shooting hands, and killed off rallies by opposing teams, earning him the nickname “The Fireman”. 10. Rudy Distrito http://foto.pk/images/rudydistri.jpg (1987-1992) Hitting the greatest shot in the history of the franchise — as Distrito did in Game Seven of the 1991 Open Conference — is enough to put anyone on this list. But beyond The Shot, Distrito typified the perfect Jaworski player: rugged and fearless. 9. Marlou Aquino http://foto.pk/images/marlouaqui.jpg (1996-1999) At first glance, a No. 9 ranking seems a little low for Marlou Aquino, who was once touted as Ginebra’s savior. Then again, with all his talent and skill, Aquino should have had a better career, just as he should have had a better ranking. Still, he led the Gin Kings to a championship in 1997, ending a six-year drought. 8. Noli Locsin http://foto.pk/images/nolilocsin.jpg (1994-1999) Noli Locsin is part of a long line of burly players who played under Jaworski. But he wasn’t just a banger; despite his frame, he was one of the most graceful and athletic players in the PBA during his heyday. Listed generously at 6-foot-2, he nonetheless battled bigger men night in and night out for Ginebra, etching his name forever in the heart of its fans. 7. Dondon Ampalayo http://foto.pk/images/dondonampa.jpg (1986-1993) At his peak, Ampalayo’s popularity was second only to Jaworski’s, not just in Ginebra, but in all of the PBA. “The Magic Man” from Cebu debuted to much acclaim in 1986, winning Rookie of the Year honors. A mobile power forward with three-point range who can drive and score underneath the basket, Ampalayo looked like he was about to rule the league. He was Añejo’s main man in its All-Filipino title run in 1988, but injuries ravaged his body, and Ginebra fans were robbed from seeing one of the most talented players in franchise history in what should have been the best years of his career. 6. Chito Loyzaga http://foto.pk/images/chitoloyza.jpg (1985-1993) He was a lockdown defender — he was reportedly the toughest matchup for Alvin Patrimonio early in the latter’s career — and a dynamite offensive player who can play all five positions. He was one of Jaworski’s most reliable disciples, so indispensable that he became part of the 1990 Asian Games team, and his longevity in a Ginebra uniform seals his lofty position in franchise history. 5. Eric Menk http://foto.pk/images/ericmenk.jpg (2002-present) Over the last decade, Eric Menk was Ginebra’s source of power in the paint. And while age and injury may have finally caught up with Major Pain, fans will forever remember how he carried the team during some of its best years in the PBA during championship runs in 2004, 2005, and 2008. He was the first player in Ginebra history to win the Most Valuable Player award as part of the franchise, winning the league’s top honors in 2005. 4. Bal David http://foto.pk/images/baldavid.jpg (1996-2004) In so many ways, “The Flash” is the perfect Ginebra player. He was drafted in 1995, but was left unsigned, and only got a chance because he played so well alongside Marlou Aquino in the PBL — and yet he played nine seasons for Ginebra, eventually becoming the face of the franchise after Jaworski’s departure. He was fast, but was often out of control. He could shoot, but was often streaky. He was a solid court general, but often took too many risks. But he overcame all his flaws with a heart as big as anyone who ever played in the PBA. And all those imperfections made him the perfect player for the league’s perennial underdog team. 3. Jayjay Helterbrand http://foto.pk/images/jayjaybob.jpg (2000-2002, 2004-present) Helterbrand won the second MVP award in Ginebra history in 2009, and he did it against all odds. Consider everything he had to go through: Early in his career, he had to take over point guard chores from Bal David, one of the most popular stars in team history. Later on, he had to take over the scoring cudgels when Mark Caguioa had to miss a whole season because of injuries. And yet, despite those big shadows cast upon him, he was able to shine and etch his own name into the record books among the franchise’s greatest players. It came as no surprise that he was able to make a successful comeback this season after serious injuries. Helterbrand, after all, has aced tougher challenges before. 2. Mark Caguioa http://foto.pk/images/markcagpg.jpg (2001-2008, 2009-present) In the 2001 draft, Talk ‘N Text made a trade for the No. 4 overall pick, hoping to land an unknown player from southern California. The only problem was, Ginebra also knew about that player, and drafted him with the No. 3 pick. That player, of course, was Mark Caguioa. Would Caguioa have become as big a star if he hadn’t ended up with the league’s most popular team? While he had the talent, no other player has benefitted from the love and support of the mammoth Ginebra crowd as much as Caguioa. On the flipside, Caguioa is the perfect icon to carry the torch for Ginebra in the post-Jaworski era, someone with the swagger to get the fans going, and the game to back it all up. Caguioa needed Ginebra, just as Ginebra needed Caguioa. 1. Robert Jaworski http://foto.pk/images/robertjawo.jpg (1984-1998) When one says Ginebra, Jaworski is the Alpha and the Omega. As we wrote two weeks ago: On the court, he was perpetually unafraid to barrel against bigger men in the lane, on many occasions seemingly willing his team to victory with his huge fighting heart. Off the court, his demeanor toward his fans might be even more remarkable. He was known to always give the time of day to any of his supporters, signing autographs till his hand hurt, smiling and posing for hundreds of pictures, and even joking around with them. It is no accident that Jaworski is the most popular player in PBA history. By the way, Jaworski has never formally retired from playing basketball. As they say, true legends never say die. Source: Jaemark Tordecilla, with Reynaldo Belen and Jay P. Mercado, InterAKTV Quote Link to comment
brun0magtangol Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I wonder why Bal David retired. I think when he was in the PBA, his speed was second to none. One of his weak points that I noticed was his post defense. Johnny Abarrientos liked posting up Bal David and he almost always succeeded even if David was taller than Abarrientos. Payat kasi si Bal. During his early days, he often was a sub for Jarencio but eventually became a starter.groin injury.....i believe the team sent him abroad to be operated on..still it kept him from coming back to play effectively... forced him to retirement... Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 i'd rather put Dante Gonzalgo in Marlou Aquino's place in the Top 10 Quote Link to comment
brun0magtangol Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 i'd rather put Dante Gonzalgo in Marlou Aquino's place in the Top 10 yup... in terms of reputation. dedication. hardwork and loyalty.... Quote Link to comment
Agent_mulder Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I agree with you Master. The athleticism of KG and Rico should be utilized If they do that Ginebra would definitely be a powerhouse and can even match-up with tnt. i'd rather put Dante Gonzalgo in Marlou Aquino's place in the Top 10 yup... in terms of reputation. dedication. hardwork and loyalty.... Agree though I guess that they deemed it as such as Marlou also managed to help in his own way for Ginebra to win a championship back then (kahit 1 lang yata).... Quote Link to comment
junix Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Aside from being Patrimonio's toughest match-up, Dynamite Loyzaga also gave El Presidente fits. Mon Fernandez can run rings around any Ginebra player but Chito. Wala bang Top 10 Ginebra imports of all-time? For me, the undisputed top import of Ginebra of all-time is Super Bates followed by Chris King who helped lead Ginebra to a title over Alaska in 1997. That was one of the sweetest championships of Ginebra coz Alaska was really Ginebra's contra pelo. Si Sean Chambers pa yung import ng Alaska nun. i'd include michael hackett on this list. Edited March 22, 2012 by junix Quote Link to comment
khilua23 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 assistant coach allan caidic puts up extra 30 mins before practice, and 30 mins after practice to help jackson vroman and kerby raymundo on their free throw shooting.. BGK players intentionally foul JACKSON VROMAN in practice to toughen his mind and sharpen his FREEWTHROW shooting. Quote Link to comment
harmless0810 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Aside from being Patrimonio's toughest match-up, Dynamite Loyzaga also gave El Presidente fits. Mon Fernandez can run rings around any Ginebra player but Chito. Wala bang Top 10 Ginebra imports of all-time? For me, the undisputed top import of Ginebra of all-time is Super Bates followed by Chris King who helped lead Ginebra to a title over Alaska in 1997. That was one of the sweetest championships of Ginebra coz Alaska was really Ginebra's contra pelo. Si Sean Chambers pa yung import ng Alaska nun. i remember chris king. they won with him against alaska in the 1997 2nd conference. the milkmen's import was not chambers because the height limit was six foot six. it was a former pepsi import who replaced head case sylvester gray, a former ginebra reinforcement. ginebra pick mostly good imports but some like gray and carlos briggs gave headaches to jaworski and his staff. was it wes matthews or porter who said to joey loyzaga's face that he will f___ gretchen baretto? Quote Link to comment
khilua23 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 i remember chris king. they won with him against alaska in the 1997 2nd conference. the milkmen's import was not chambers because the height limit was six foot six. it was a former pepsi import who replaced head case sylvester gray, a former ginebra reinforcement. ginebra pick mostly good imports but some like gray and carlos briggs gave headaches to jaworski and his staff. was it wes matthews or porter who said to joey loyzaga's face that he will f___ gretchen baretto? Are you sure? Si Chambers yun. He was Alaska's resident import in the 1990s. Si Briggs buwaya naman yun. Si Ricky Brown yung bumabantay sa kanya when Ginebra met SMB in the 1989 Reinforced or Open conference and Brown was successful at it. Ginebra was known as Anejo then and were fondly called the Rumboys. sirs, you're both correct... the height limit then was 6'7. gordon's gin (BGK) import was chris king, and alaska's import that time was kevin holland. bgk was ahead of the series 3 wins against 2 losses, and needed 1 more win to win the title. sean chambers who will suit up for alaska the next conference came in the Philippines in game 4. alaska decide to replace the ineffective holland in game 6, and sean chambers came in as the replacement. GORDON'S GIN went on to win the title in game 6. Quote Link to comment
rickyfred Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Gudluck Barangay Ginebra Kings against Barako Bull, sana manalo. Vroman galingan mo naman sa freethrow. Quote Link to comment
junix Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 yan din ang panalangin ko...na maisaayos ang FT shooting ni vroman. nagawan na kaya ng solusyon ni triggerman? Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Vroman's athleticism fits well with BGK's style Quote Link to comment
Agent_mulder Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) assistant coach allan caidic puts up extra 30 mins before practice, and 30 mins after practice to help jackson vroman and kerby raymundo on their free throw shooting.. BGK players intentionally foul JACKSON VROMAN in practice to toughen his mind and sharpen his FREEWTHROW shooting. Sana nga me magandang resulta naman ang extra tie exerted by Caidic doon sa 2 lalo na kay Vroman.. sirs, you're both correct... the height limit then was 6'7. gordon's gin (BGK) import was chris king, and alaska's import that time was kevin holland. bgk was ahead of the series 3 wins against 2 losses, and needed 1 more win to win the title. sean chambers who will suit up for alaska the next conference came in the Philippines in game 4. alaska decide to replace the ineffective holland in game 6, and sean chambers came in as the replacement. GORDON'S GIN went on to win the title in game 6. Gee, ako nga 'di ko na maalala na bumalik si Chambers for that series to replace Holland Vroman's athleticism fits well with BGK's style Definitely, 'yung ft woes n'ya mental thing na lang 'yun, skill wise wala akong masabi kay Jax, bawasan na lang sana n'ya ang pagiging reklamador n'ya pag me call o non-call ang refs and focus. Barako bull ang kalaban bukas, baka maging isa sa ploy nila ang asarin si Vroman, sabi nga ni penissi kagabi kahit sino daw ang ipabantay sa kanya na na-tenderized na ni peña hehe Edited March 24, 2012 by Agent_mulder Quote Link to comment
BrightestStar Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 A must-win situation against the Baraks! Quote Link to comment
junix Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Definitely, 'yung ft woes n'ya mental thing na lang 'yun, skill wise wala akong masabi kay Jax, bawasan na lang sana n'ya ang pagiging reklamador n'ya pag me call o non-call ang refs and focus. Barako bull ang kalaban bukas, baka maging isa sa ploy nila ang asarin si Vroman, sabi nga ni penissi kagabi kahit sino daw ang ipabantay sa kanya na na-tenderized na ni peña hehe dapat mapagsabihan na si jax because i can foresee this ploy by pennisi and pena coming. Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 dapat mapagsabihan na si jax because i can foresee this ploy by pennisi and pena coming. Pennisi's flop is very effective pa naman hehehe Quote Link to comment
Agent_mulder Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 dapat mapagsabihan na si jax because i can foresee this ploy by pennisi and pena coming. Sana nga napanood na n'ya ang style ni penissi and even peña pero mas matindi si penissi dahil me nabalda nang player 'yan (intentionally o unintentional man).... Quote Link to comment
rickyfred Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 alam na ng BGK gagawin dyan, sana wag mapikon si Vroman dyan sa dirty play ni Penissi at Pena, kung dirty sila nandyan yung Mamaril, E.Villanueva sikuhan yan too the max baka magbatuhan yan sila sa mukha hahaha, saka nandyan si Raymundo, Hatfield, Wilson. Ganun pa din sana gawin nila sa 4th ipabantay si Wilson kay Miller tulad ng ginawa nila against TNT. Mas mabilis naman sina Castro at Alapag kaysa kay Miller kaya pala bantayan yun ni Wilson. Gudluck sa Barangay Ginebra Kings! Manalo! Matalo! Barangay GinKings Pa din!!! Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Ginebra wins against Barako Bull 91-81 BPG: Mark Caguioa it's my first time to see bgk against bb..it's weird to see tubid playing on the opposite team..hehe Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) March 28, 2012 2011-12 Commissioners Cup SMART ARANETA COLISEUM Air21 Express http://www.pba.ph/images/img-vs.jpg Brgy Ginebra Kings 5:15 PM Edited March 25, 2012 by photographer Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Its purely team effort. The Gin Kings should really improve on their free throws. Kerby is slowly coming into the groove of Ginebra. Parang nalilito pa sa run-and-gun ng team. Quote Link to comment
junix Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Ginebra wins against Barako Bull 91-81 BPG: Mark Caguioa it's my first time to see bgk against bb..it's weird to see tubid playing on the opposite team..hehe gigil na gigil si tubid kanina. obviously he wanted to prove something against ginebra. what will happen if ginebra wins against air 21 on wednesday? knock-out match ba sila ng b-meg for the 2nd semis slot? Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Natawa ako sa kantyaw ng mga commentators sa buhok ni Caguioa, pang Grade 5 daw ang style. Yung super clean cut na puro pamada. hahahah Quote Link to comment
Agent_mulder Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) Me konting improvement na sa FT shooting ni Vroman ha, sana lang tuloy-tuloy na 'yan, pero sabi ng commentators sa practice daw ok naman sa FT si Vroman, pag dating lang daaw sa actual game me problema, tingin ko nga its all mental for him.... Ginebra wins against Barako Bull 91-81 BPG: Mark Caguioa it's my first time to see bgk against bb..it's weird to see tubid playing on the opposite team..hehe Ako din after 4 years or so ni Tubid sa Ginebra.... Its purely team effort. The Gin Kings should really improve on their free throws. Kerby is slowly coming into the groove of Ginebra. Parang nalilito pa sa run-and-gun ng team. We know that Kerby can score and even contribute sa rebounding, its just a matter of adjusting sa style ni Siot.. adjusting sa style ni Siot.. Edited March 26, 2012 by Agent_mulder Quote Link to comment
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