myojin Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 ok naman rotc, para makaranas naman ng konting hirap... sa Singapore nga ata talagang may mandatory na eenlist ka sa actual army duty... satin 4 na sem lang ok na tas once a week lang... Quote Link to comment
antok Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hindi naman yon paaralan ang nagpapalakad ng ROTC program but it's actualy the AFP. Kaya nga ang mga kadete ng ROTC ay mga miyembro ng "Corps of Cadets Armed Forces of the Philippines". Sa dami ng naglalabasang kabulukan ng AFP tiyak mababastos na naman yang programang yan.paki-correct lang po. sa aking pagkaka-alam, ang corps of cadets armed forces of the philippines (ccafp) ay mga kadete na nasa philippine military academy, at ang mga rotc cadets ay miyembro ng corps of cadets __name of school____ rotc. Quote Link to comment
myojin Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 so sir antok nagbabase sa school kung sino ang corrupt? Quote Link to comment
antok Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 so sir antok nagbabase sa school kung sino ang corrupt? sir myojin, iwinawasto ko lang ang sinabi ni mata_hari na ang mga rotc cadets ay kasama sa ccafp. sagot ko naman sa tanong mo ay ganito, hindi base sa paaralan ang pagiging corrupt, kundi sa tao nagpapalakad ng programa at sa kanyang karakter at pagkatao. Quote Link to comment
myojin Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 sir myojin, iwinawasto ko lang ang sinabi ni mata_hari na ang mga rotc cadets ay kasama sa ccafp. sagot ko naman sa tanong mo ay ganito, hindi base sa paaralan ang pagiging corrupt, kundi sa tao nagpapalakad ng programa at sa kanyang karakter at pagkatao. well said sir antol... Quote Link to comment
mobsglax Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Ibalik basta wala ng ulit corruption sa rotc. Quote Link to comment
cuatro_ojos Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Ibalik basta wala ng ulit corruption sa rotc. Sang-ayon ako diyan. ROTC minus corruption (particularly 'yung nagpapabayad para lang ma-exempt sa training) is a good program. Quote Link to comment
cuatro_ojos Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) sagot ko naman sa tanong mo ay ganito, hindi base sa paaralan ang pagiging corrupt, kundi sa tao nagpapalakad ng programa at sa kanyang karakter at pagkatao. Tumpak. No matter how good a program is, it will all depend on the people carrying it out. When power-hungry and vain individuals run the show, you can be sure that the lower classmen and the echelons below them will be affected negatively. Edited June 21, 2011 by cuatro_ojos Quote Link to comment
resident_big_evil Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 honestly, i prefer mandatory conscription over ROTC any day... you at least become a real soldier in a real army... Quote Link to comment
fireblaster Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 tama para sa israel at south korea...kesa ilagay sa college units at corruption naman para sundalo nakassign sa rotc... bago ako graduate sa college me pinabayad sa amin na reversist id daw.. 14 years na.. Quote Link to comment
Ricky-D Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 ROTC is ok if it is made mandatory for both men and women. Train the women on first aid, medical equipment, etc. (even massage) Other than that, then it's a flat NO. Saturdays are meant to be rest/study days. Why only give men a disadvantage (like what we experience back in '94-'96)? If they can't be fair about this then there's nothing to discuss. Quote Link to comment
Vegasboy32 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Well para sa akin Ok yan na gawing mandatory uli. Afterall its good to have a course that instills good old fashioned military discipline, and afterall its also good to learn stuff like making the other poor bastard die for country and cause. In fact in korea, students are required to do service in the army for at least two years. They live in the barracks, they dress up like soldiers, and they get issued a firearm, the whole nine yards. Because of programs like this, their armed forces are strong. Unfortunately for me having undertaken the program I do not believe that it has strengthened our military, neither do I believe that it promotes patriotism and all that other bullsh!t objectives they said. Heck if it did eh di sana hangang ngayon mandatory pa rin ang ROTC. But don't get me wrong I am all for it. I do want to have a program like this under the following conditions. 1.) Those that handle the program must have a clear curicculum of the course, heck they should have a syllabus the way PE does. The Cadettes should learn something tangible like for petes sake! how not to get shot by the enemy, how to handle battle wounds, how to fire a weapon etc., how to handle himself in hand to hand combat. Hindi puro matrsa martsa na lang at pagbibilad sa araw anu naman kaya natututunan ng mga cadete dun? sus! 2.) The ROTC department should never enjoy complete autonomy from the policies of the school itself. Any anomaly they make, they should be also subjected to investigation. If they create income generating project i.e. uniforms, boots, et. al they should follow proper bidding procedures of the schools. Kaya ang dami dami noong mga sundalong gusto maging ROTC commandant, kasi pwede sila mangurakot at nageenjoy sila ng autonomy. Pati tuloy cadets, nagiging corupt dahil sa mga gagong ROTC commandant. 3.) There should be a clear guideline for conduct of a proper officer and a gentleman. Ang hirap ito ang pina hindi nasusunod, the program should train officers that will help defend this country and not create bullies behind ranks. Kadalasan pa nga nananakit sila ng kadete just for the fun of it kahit minsan wala na naman yun kinalaman sa training nila. I mean sure, no pain no gain, paminsan minsan kelangan mo magpa push up man lang kung walang disiplina kadete mo, but officers should also know that a rank is not a license to bully your subordinates. I mean its the officers duty to protect his men, not to be the first one to k*ll them, especially when they go out of line. All physical punishments or otherwise should be done in context with the training itself. Hindi yung dadalhin mo pa sa bahay mo yung incoming officer para gawing katulong. 4.) Cadet officers should maintain a grade requirement like varsity players do. How can the military instill discipline if they could not discipline themselves. Ex. generals involved in corruption. For me this is BS they should just make ROTC an optional course. Quote Link to comment
Vegasboy32 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 There's nothing wrong with a little bit of military training to instill discipline to the Filipino youth. The problem perhaps is the implementation of the program in all. Some officers see this as financial oppurtunity. The Military program itself is faulty. I mean did any of us do anything good in ROTC aside from basking in the sun and marching endless not knowing which is left or right. In other countries, their program involves some community assistance as well as job oppurtunities. For all we know the ineffectivess of our ROTC program may just reflect the Ineffectiveness of the Philippine Military or worse the Filipino himself as a person. I took ROTC in college kahit ayaw ko. After completing the course wala naman na disiplina sa mga kasama ko. pasaway pa rin sila hahahaha. Quote Link to comment
Vegasboy32 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Hindi naman yon paaralan ang nagpapalakad ng ROTC program but it's actualy the AFP. Kaya nga ang mga kadete ng ROTC ay mga miyembro ng "Corps of Cadets Armed Forces of the Philippines". Sa dami ng naglalabasang kabulukan ng AFP tiyak mababastos na naman yang programang yan. Oo. E kung ang AFP nga corrupt. Here they are saying that ROTC is one way of instilling discipline. Cut the crap. If you want to instill discipline then the AFP should be the one to set the example. Quote Link to comment
uaeboy25 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 one funny thing in rotc, reerved in case of war. training and prepairedness. as the cadet what theyve learn in rotc. answer : marching they just gonna march at the field during the times of war Quote Link to comment
kasmutingrato Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I totally agree with post no. 1...guidelines lang ang kailangan....kung bakit tinangal? its totally wrong. War is just a few miles away from us... China ratio is 20 is to 1, kurutan nalang hindi tyo mananalo lalo na ang mga citizens natin dont know how to protect them self yun pakayang bansa natin... kung ibabalik? i totally agree... Quote Link to comment
robbietan Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 kung mismong pma at pnpa puro magnanakaw ang mga gradweyts, rotc pa kaya? ei ang commandant doon ei galing din sa pma or pnpa na mga korap. rotc phillipines is just another pera kurakot activity by the corrupt military Quote Link to comment
abtt Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Useless!!! everyone is trying to get of it then, they are still going to try to get out of it now. Quote Link to comment
wolflove_bigdawg Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 agree ako NA IBALIK ANG ROTC KUNG: real training ang gagawin, meaning tactics, strategies, military history, real weapons training, yung babaril talaga at least yung dalawang last sems, etc. ang problema kasi martsa lang ng martsa. wala kasing katuturan kapag ganun. WASTE OF TIME! kahit sana parang yung ginagawa nila sa Singapore. Quote Link to comment
Quicksilver_ Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 agree ako NA IBALIK ANG ROTC KUNG: real training ang gagawin, meaning tactics, strategies, military history, real weapons training, yung babaril talaga at least yung dalawang last sems, etc. ang problema kasi martsa lang ng martsa. wala kasing katuturan kapag ganun. WASTE OF TIME! kahit sana parang yung ginagawa nila sa Singapore. agree ako. sana man lang matuto pumutok ng baril Quote Link to comment
chrispt21 Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 ROTC base on my experienced was just a waste of time and money. Quote Link to comment
pluto-mars Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 can be a good activity if only guidelines can be set clearly Quote Link to comment
BoyTonyo Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 agree ako NA IBALIK ANG ROTC KUNG: real training ang gagawin, meaning tactics, strategies, military history, real weapons training, yung babaril talaga at least yung dalawang last sems, etc. ang problema kasi martsa lang ng martsa. wala kasing katuturan kapag ganun. WASTE OF TIME! kahit sana parang yung ginagawa nila sa Singapore. Definitely agree! Maganda na din sana na i-encorporate sa kanya ang self-defence courses pwede dinas PE. Pwedemong masabi na lahat ng lalaki sa SouthKorea marunong humawak at gumamit ng baril dahil mandatory ang military service sa kanila for a certain interval. Sa atin nga lang puro martsa. Parang nag-walkathon lang. Quote Link to comment
JeanLucPicard Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I've said it before and I'll say it again: Before considering returning ROTC back to the college curriculum, make sure our professional armed forces is adequately armed first! Quote Link to comment
simplyeric Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 ok lang naman ang ROTC kung hindi ginagawang perahan sa ibang bansa nga conscription or forced kang mag serve ng 2 years!ok na ito dito Quote Link to comment
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