The Football Thread

[duchessXI]

Sir bubuy kindly read the excerpt from the wikipedia article if you will

 

 

 

 

Origins

 

The 1980s had marked a low point for English football. Stadiums were crumbling, supporters endured poor facilities, hooliganism was rife, and English clubs were banned from European competition following the events at Heysel in 1985.[3] The Football League First Division, which had been the top level of English football since 1888, was well behind leagues such as Italy's Serie A and Spain's La Liga in attendances and revenues, and several top English players had moved abroad.[4] However, by the turn of the 1990s the downward trend was starting to reverse; England had been successful in the 1990 FIFA World Cup, reaching the semi-finals. UEFA, European football's governing body, lifted the five-year ban on English clubs playing in European competitions in 1990 and the Taylor Report on stadium safety standards, which proposed expensive upgrades to create all-seater stadiums, was published in January of that year.[5]

 

Television money had also become much more important; the Football League received £6.3million for a two-year agreement in 1986, but when that deal was renewed in 1988, the price rose to £44m over four years.[6] The 1988 negotiations were the first signs of a breakaway league; ten clubs threatened to leave and form a "super league", but were eventually persuaded to stay.[7] As stadiums improved and match attendance and revenues rose, the country's top teams again considered leaving the Football League in order to capitalise on the growing influx of money being pumped into the sport.

 

 

Foundation

In the 1991 close season, a proposal for the establishment of a new league was tabled that would bring more money into the game overall. The Founder Members Agreement, signed on 17 July 1991 by the game's top-flight clubs, established the basic principles for setting up the FA Premier League.[8] The newly formed top division would have commercial independence from the Football Association and the Football League, giving the FA Premier League license to negotiate its own broadcast and sponsorship agreements. This was considered necessary so that English clubs could once again compete with and beat the best of Europe, while attracting the best talent in the world, something which in 1991 seemed practically unthinkable.[9]

 

In 1992 the First Division clubs resigned from the Football League en masse and on 27 May 1992 the FA Premier League was formed as a limited company working out of an office at the Football Association's then headquarters in Lancaster Gate.[4] This meant a break-up of the 104-year-old Football League that had operated until then with four divisions; the Premier League would operate with a single division and the Football League with three. There was no change in competition format; the same number of teams competed in the top flight, and promotion and relegation between the Premier League and the new First Division remained on the same terms as between the old First and Second Divisions.

 

The 22 inaugural members of the new Premiership were Arsenal, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Chelsea, Coventry City, Crystal Palace, Everton, Ipswich Town, Leeds United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Middlesbrough, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, Oldham Athletic, Queens Park Rangers, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Southampton, Tottenham Hotspur, and Wimbledon.

 

i do not understand how man utd could become a better team when in fact both liverpool and they were playing together in the same league back then. how could teams play differently, its just the top teams cropped together. now, even like before, its just a matter of consistency in beating different teams. tthe difference is just, and again, sponsors, media, television rights etc.

globalization affected the world, so had football. And Man Utd luckily happened to have a bright start with those sponsorship deals. No Money, No trophies! ZZZ.

 

Oh btw, did you see how liverpool beat AC Milan in the 05 Champs League Finals. Compare the teams total salary of players. come back with the answers.

 

 

that's technicality.. you'd have to think top flight english football would have more history than 16 years???

 

LOL, i cant agree any better.

[howard_the_duck]

err, wrong? zz

what?

 

i think, ha, the top 3 divisions in english football are:

Premier League

Football League

Football Conference

 

premier league are the most autonomous, they can pretty much do anything except maybe alter the game rules or what

[duchessXI]

Sir bubuy kindly read the excerpt from the wikipedia article if you will

 

great! wikipedia.. how credible.. zz

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i do not understand how man utd could become a better team when in fact both liverpool and they were playing together in the same league back then. how could teams play differently, its just the top teams cropped together. now, even like before, its just a matter of consistency in beating different teams. tthe difference is just, and again, sponsors, media, television rights etc.

globalization affected the world, so had football. And Man Utd luckily happened to have a bright start with those sponsorship deals. No Money, No trophies! ZZZ.

 

Oh btw, did you see how liverpool beat AC Milan in the 05 Champs League Finals. Compare the teams total salary of players. come back with the answers.

 

I never said United was a better team I just implied them to be.

 

And we are not talking about the champion's league so please don't change the topic. So what if United player's wages cost more?

 

Look at the galacticos era? what happened to them? 1 last resort championship before becks left. ( I am not changing the topic. Statement was just used for example. )

[duchessXI]

what?

 

i think, ha, the top 3 divisions in english football are:

Premier League

Football League

Football Conference

 

premier league are the most autonomous, they can pretty much do anything except maybe alter the game rules or what

 

dude, i meant the former, not the latter.

 

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Prior to Premier League:

Football League = Division 1 + Division 2 + Division 3 + Division 4

 

they played in different leagues as well. but not necessarily all teams from different divisions playing with each other. again, like u reiterated with your last post, its a matter of renaming division to "spice" things up so to speak.

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great! wikipedia.. how credible.. zz

Well Wikipedia helped me thro high school so I have no beef against it.

 

 

Atleast I have some refferences and I just don't use smart-ass remarks.

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thanks for looking down on my intelligence bro, i appreciate it.. :thumbsupsmiley:

 

and continuing your analogy.. roxas blvd is still on the same spot as dewey blvd as before right, they didnt move it anywhere? as per that analogy i dont see a location change only a name change..

 

most probably the same people that passed dewey, still were able to use roxas blvd at some point in their lives.. as per your analogy that would equate to the same teams (most) that played the old premiership are the same characters in the barclays premiership.. or ibang teams na ang naglalaro ngayon? is the current man united fc a different ballclub that played before 1992?

 

are you willing to accept that everything that has happened with manchester united fc, as far as top flight english football is concerned, before 1992 to be invalid or non-existent?

 

and no, am not a liverpool fan.. i WAS a man united fan.. but madrid runs thru my blood now..

Sir bubuy I was not in anyway insulting you or was making implications that I was. We have no beef.

 

 

Yes about the analogy. Roxas blvd was where dewey was same place same roads. But the point here is Dewey blvd ceased to exsist therefore now it's called roxas blvd. The analogy was about the league and not the clubs per se.

 

and, I will not accept to forget about United's history, Munich air crash and all.... What I was trying to point out to dutchessXI was Liverpool FC has yet to win the Barclay's Premier League. Simple as that. I don't kow why the discussion had to strech out this long. To be honest I think it's geting pointless. He believes that LIV are the best and I think Man United are. No one can do anything about what we believe in.

 

 

So unless LIV wins the Barclay's Premier League or "new spell" as howard calls it or whatever you lot like to call the current top flight of ENG footbal, I won't shut up on my ramblings about LIV not winning it.

[howard_the_duck]

great! wikipedia.. how credible.. zz

Actually, that Wikipedia article is pretty credible since it's a featured article, at par with other encyclopedias out there.

 

dude, i meant the former, not the latter.

 

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Prior to Premier League:

Football League = Division 1 + Division 2 + Division 3 + Division 4

 

they played in different leagues as well. but not necessarily all teams from different divisions playing with each other. again, like u reiterated with your last post, its a matter of renaming division to "spice" things up so to speak.

I should've used the term "league" since "division" has a different connotation. They don't play against each other (like Division 1 teams play Division 4 teams, well except in cup competitions), but they're grouped into different leagues in which per league has it's own rules on geographical extent. of course for the top divisions they're meant to be nationwide but for the lower divisions the different leagues are set up to make it easier to promote and relegate.

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Inspite of all the arguments going on, I would like to thank DuchessXI for giving out pretty good arguments. And he did not resort to extreme language or ad honeim statements. Unlike the previous member I had an argument with, who is yet to post again in this thread.

 

 

I would like to end the pointless discussion since it will lead us nowhere. Im taking the high road and offering DuchessXI the laurel wreath.

 

Cheers mate!

[howard_the_duck]

lets just say the blue team will win at the FA Cup, UEFA Cup and the UEFA Champions LEague and we can all be happy

[bubuy]

Sir bubuy I was not in anyway insulting you or was making implications that I was. We have no beef.

 

 

Yes about the analogy. Roxas blvd was where dewey was same place same roads. But the point here is Dewey blvd ceased to exsist therefore now it's called roxas blvd. The analogy was about the league and not the clubs per se.

 

and, I will not accept to forget about United's history, Munich air crash and all.... What I was trying to point out to dutchessXI was Liverpool FC has yet to win the Barclay's Premier League. Simple as that. I don't kow why the discussion had to strech out this long. To be honest I think it's geting pointless. He believes that LIV are the best and I think Man United are. No one can do anything about what we believe in.

 

 

So unless LIV wins the Barclay's Premier League or "new spell" as howard calls it or whatever you lot like to call the current top flight of ENG footbal, I won't shut up on my ramblings about LIV not winning it.

re: analogy

 

of course we cant analogize the clubs before and after 1992 because of promotions and demotions, that's why i said "most" clubs that played in the OLD top flight are still the same ones (or most of them) playing in barclay's.. i just equated the league with the physical boulevard and the name change was equated with the name change of the division I premier league and barclay's premier league.. it's still the same road/highway/boulevard, i dont think it "ceased" to exist.. some smart ass punk in the govt just changed it's name.. if it ceased to exist, no physical structure would be located where dewey was located before..

 

the same can be held true for pre-1992 premier league and barclays.. it's still the same top flight league.. only they have more sponsors and a cute name change..

 

 

yes, LIV hasn't won the Barclay's Premier League championship. that is a fact.

 

 

 

 

 

and yes again, RM will be a force to reckon with at next year's UEFA Champion's League which we haven't won yet.. although we have 9 European Cups.. :thumbsupsmiley: isnt that weird, the trophy looks the same before the name change?

Edited May 6, 2008 by bubuy

[bubuy]

lets just say the blue team will win at the FA Cup, UEFA Cup and the UEFA Champions LEague and we can all be happy

i dont think so.. you cant win UEFA Cup and UEFA CHampions league in the same year

[howard_the_duck]

i dont think so.. you cant win UEFA Cup and UEFA CHampions league in the same year

both teams in the UEFA Cup final wear blue

[redshirt]

re: analogy

 

of course we cant analogize the clubs before and after 1992 because of promotions and demotions, that's why i said "most" clubs that played in the OLD top flight are still the same ones (or most of them) playing in barclay's.. i just equated the league with the physical boulevard and the name change was equated with the name change of the division I premier league and barclay's premier league.. it's still the same road/highway/boulevard, i dont think it "ceased" to exist.. some smart ass punk in the govt just changed it's name.. if it ceased to exist, no physical structure would be located where dewey was located before..

 

the same can be held true for pre-1992 premier league and barclays.. it's still the same top flight league.. only they have more sponsors and a cute name change..

 

 

yes, LIV hasn't won the Barclay's Premier League championship. that is a fact.

 

 

 

 

 

and yes again, RM will be a force to reckon with at next year's UEFA Champion's League which we haven't won yet.. although we have 9 European Cups.. :thumbsupsmiley: isnt that weird, the trophy looks the same before the name change?

 

 

I am still lusting for that RMD vs Man United final.... xD

[duchessXI]

Sir bubuy I was not in anyway insulting you or was making implications that I was. We have no beef.

 

 

Yes about the analogy. Roxas blvd was where dewey was same place same roads. But the point here is Dewey blvd ceased to exsist therefore now it's called roxas blvd. The analogy was about the league and not the clubs per se.

 

and, I will not accept to forget about United's history, Munich air crash and all.... What I was trying to point out to dutchessXI was Liverpool FC has yet to win the Barclay's Premier League. Simple as that. I don't kow why the discussion had to strech out this long. To be honest I think it's geting pointless. He believes that LIV are the best and I think Man United are. No one can do anything about what we believe in.

 

 

So unless LIV wins the Barclay's Premier League or "new spell" as howard calls it or whatever you lot like to call the current top flight of ENG footbal, I won't shut up on my ramblings about LIV not winning it.

 

LOL, I quote"He believes that LIV are the best and I think Man United are. No one can do anything about what we believe in."

 

did i say such words? i just mentioned that the i hoped liv made it next year. and i did commend man utd twice i believe, but if u think that way, back at you bro.

 

cheers.