Olympus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Actually, respect is integral here... problem is also is that some people cannot take criticism well especially if they are so convinced otherwise (im sometimes guilty of this...) But this is a Model Body thread... not a pataasan ng ihi thread... Im gaining weight fast in preparation for my before and after transformation... by next week, ill post some before pics then after 8 weeks, ill post some after weeks... will try to do them programs stated here.. EG, OLYMPUS, where should i start? These are my vital stats for reference so that you can have a clearer picture to give me slightly more specific programs: 28 years old5'8208 poundsslight left shoulder injuryminor back pains pervertaside from that, no other known illnesses Work out history: been working out on and off for 5 years now...max bench at one point was 286 pounds at 3 reps w/o assistancemax squat at one point was about 350 pounds with extreme difficultymax leg press at one point was 460 pounds with my ears ringing profuselymax shoulder press at one point was 160 pounds (80 per arm) present condition: still a bit strong but took an almost 3 to 4 week rest from working outweak at the cardiocurrent activities - equestriantime to spare per day - not more than an hour and a half (work is s@%t heavy nowadays)body fat percentage is most likely very high now probably in the low twenty's Goal: 1.) weight loss down to 1802.) visible abdominals3.) stronger cardio4.) modelesque physique (i know i can achieve this... genetics wise...) so, well? your inputs will be most welcome. Please take note that i do have ample experience so Im confident that the probability of me hurting myself should be relatively low given that the program that you will give does not require a spotter or assistance... But if need be, i should be able to drag a buddy along.. I thought you were still doing EDT? Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 MOD Wyld, I think the fighting will never stop and its good that it doesn't...will keep everybody on their toes and will keep them responsible for the posts that they make... im sure people will be raring to shoot it down if its baseless... makes the thread very intelligent... Olympus, EDT yes... but what im asking for is a specific training sched... down to the main specs i can do measurements too if you want... the point of this whole exercise is this... If there are visible results in 8 weeks, then it shuts up all of the opposition... that simple. You way works... Its also because traditional fitness programs also do work... we know that for sure... they work but its too slow and sometimes the effort is not equal to the gains... I want to finally set out to prove to everyone if your way really works or its all just hyped up BS... and with pics to prove... so whattya say bro? Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 MOD Wyld, I think the fighting will never stop and its good that it doesn't...will keep everybody on their toes and will keep them responsible for the posts that they make... im sure people will be raring to shoot it down if its baseless... makes the thread very intelligent... Olympus, EDT yes... but what im asking for is a specific training sched... down to the main specs i can do measurements too if you want... the point of this whole exercise is this... If there are visible results in 8 weeks, then it shuts up all of the opposition... that simple. You way works... Its also because traditional fitness programs also do work... we know that for sure... they work but its too slow and sometimes the effort is not equal to the gains... I want to finally set out to prove to everyone if your way really works or its all just hyped up BS... and with pics to prove... so whattya say bro? It would be hard for me to work blind. As always, it would be best if you show up in eclipse so I can constantly monitor your progress and make any adjustments. As always, its the little details that we sometimes miss that can make or break a routine. I can give you a tour of the kingdom, but I can't give you the keys to the kingdom if you get what I mean. Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 oh come on... not to say that im testing you, but this is your chance for some actual proof besides the apparent ones that you guys have already cited... Ill put myself in line... you know me from my posts and im not out to lambast anyone... im out too really find the best way to get results... Ill keep everyone up to speed every week for any changes... like a friday post of measurments and progress reports... para naman we can take this thread to a whole new level... Quote Link to comment
BEaST-RiPPed Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 here is a question that i want to raise and hopefully you will answer it intelligently. what is the difference of close bench press to open bench press? yan ba ung wide grip at narrow grip bench press?ksi ginagamit ko ung wide para sa chest at narrow pag sa triceps e..parehas lng b un?tatanong lng po..peace Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 yun nga yung gusto kong sabihin brad pete ng dating doon, nagkamali lang ng spelling. i did not twist the the original points in this thread. my previous debate was theories and principle which according to you is nonsense since experience is still the best. now, you already admitted that you practice certain principles and theories in your gym which contradicts your initial post. Here we go again. Do you have any IDEA what is the DEFINITION or symantical meaning of PRINCIPLES and THEORY? We follow certain defined principles that WORK. A hypothesis that stands up to repeated experiement becomes a THEORY. And you call yourself a scientist? Each client/member is their own personal "experiment". The fact that we continue to produce results in them is how our THEORY of our PRINCIPLES stands up. Do you (as usual) understand the words that come out of your own mouth? with regards to some people, i maybe one of them but i think you know the rest which you also criticized in a crude manner. i'm open to criticism as long as it's constructive criticism, however, the manner you answer this thread is a destructive one. yes, i'm giving advice to some people but i don't care if they will follow it or not since they are not my priorities that's why i don't produce. like what i've posted earlier, i'm just a regular gym goer and if somebody ask me then i will give my opinion and the rest is history i don't follow up with them. First you were a trainer, then you were an advisor, now you're just an innocent little gym goer who is getting picked on unfairly. Yea yea...boo hoo....we get the point. You cannot stand up for yourself after you were exposed as a fraud so now you need to make excuses. Destructive you say, so why do so many people come to me after reading this thread? AND YOU GIVE ADVICE THAT ISN'T YOUR PRINCIPLES?!? YOU DON'T CARE IF YOUR ADVICE PRODUCES RESULTS YET YOU GIVE ADVICE?!? :boo: :boo: The might dodo bird has emerged again! No wonder you can't get a job seeing as how you don't give a s@%t about anyone but yourself. your willing to donate your facilities for me, i'm shock. hehehe. challenging me to something is not really my forte, not that i'm afraid, is that i don't want to waste my time to do that since i don't take it personally like what you are doing right now. since your challenging me personally, i want to challege mentally in giving rationale to all exercise that we can debate about so the people reading in this thread will learn more in our debate. arrogant, hhhhhmmmmmmm, maybe, but you should also ask yourself if your not an arrogant person. if you don't admit it then it just concludes that your an arrogant person. I'd rather be "arrogant" than be a coward. You are simply a coward. You are an out-of-work physical therapist, so surely you have plenty of time for us to prove to everyone who "walks the walk" on this thread. How we do a mental debate when half of the stuff you write is mindless? youre eating your words again, if you back track the posts here majority of them does not cover the title of the thread. they simply share their experiences. Uh...wrong again. The purpose of the thread is "how to". Sharing experiences is just a side effect, so I'll eat my words if you show up and "try" to shove them down my throat. Try being the key word. no one is asking specific questions coz they don't know what questions to ask. i already posted an intelligent question and all i got from olympus is that. i mean you can do better than that. i want to try HIIT and TABATA method for myself. i keep on searching the net but they don't give me specifics. since your the strength coaches, i expect something more intelligent answers and i'm willing to learn since this is not my area of expertise as long as i give an intelligent answer. you also posted that your program applies to all how come your now telling me that it's impossible to write an effective and exact program online for someone who we cannot see in person. i'm not asking a program, i just want specifics for these methods. i would give PT treatment advice online as long as the condition is in the general public. you see, you don't want to be called in this way. so stop also calling morons, stupid. etccc. I will get to your problems and your questions. But you need to sit back and realize who are the experienced ones around here and start treating those who care about the results of others with respect. If you are rebuked, take it like a man. You never have asked questions in the past, rather just spewed forth nonsense that, as you said, you couldn't care less if it works for them or not. I care. I will get to the points when I have time later. I'm guilty of spending too much time on someone of your ilk, but I'm addicted to fixing the ignorant. Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 oh come on... not to say that im testing you, but this is your chance for some actual proof besides the apparent ones that you guys have already cited... Ill put myself in line... you know me from my posts and im not out to lambast anyone... im out too really find the best way to get results... Ill keep everyone up to speed every week for any changes... like a friday post of measurments and progress reports... para naman we can take this thread to a whole new level... I know you, like the majority reading here, are here to learn and not to fight or defend a bruised ego like others who shall remain nameless. I'll take you up on this, but FIRST I want you to test your full squat (quads must go below parallel) and get your top 5 weights you can lift. Be sure to hold your breath during the rep and breathe only when you're not moving. THEN I want you to get your top 5 weights for a dynamic row. The weights you report back will tell me if you are a candidate for online instruction. I'll help you here for Phase 1, but for Phase 2, you have to do it at Eclipse. I am POSITIVE you can't do phase 2 at fitness first. I was a member there before, so I know what they are lacking. Plus I know that their bars hurt after you get to 200lbs on the squat. Some of my other members said this as well. Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 dj25, If you scroll back the threads, I posted the link to the tabata method and an FAQ to HIIT.. all you have to do is click the ink and read. If you read it there, you will fully be aware how some coaches tell it. Its not in chart form so you really have to lead. Now, if you think I am the "dog" of EG, you are definitely wrong. I may work for him on a part time basis, but we consider each other as colleagues and we respect each others opinions. There ar some areas of training he knows a lot more than I do and there are some areas I know more than you do. If you still wanna call me names, then perhaps its time we put up or shut up You are always posting great stuff that gives detailed descriptions and examples. I don't know how anyone could miss it. The individual in question wants to be "spoon fed" since you've given him more than what he's asking for. Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Actually, respect is integral here... problem is also is that some people cannot take criticism well especially if they are so convinced otherwise (im sometimes guilty of this...) But this is a Model Body thread... not a pataasan ng ihi thread... Im gaining weight fast in preparation for my before and after transformation... by next week, ill post some before pics then after 8 weeks, ill post some after weeks... will try to do them programs stated here.. EG, OLYMPUS, where should i start? These are my vital stats for reference so that you can have a clearer picture to give me slightly more specific programs: 28 years old5'8208 poundsslight left shoulder injuryminor back pains pervertaside from that, no other known illnesses Work out history: been working out on and off for 5 years now...max bench at one point was 286 pounds at 3 reps w/o assistancemax squat at one point was about 350 pounds with extreme difficultymax leg press at one point was 460 pounds with my ears ringing profuselymax shoulder press at one point was 160 pounds (80 per arm) present condition: still a bit strong but took an almost 3 to 4 week rest from working outweak at the cardiocurrent activities - equestriantime to spare per day - not more than an hour and a half (work is s@%t heavy nowadays)body fat percentage is most likely very high now probably in the low twenty's Goal: 1.) weight loss down to 1802.) visible abdominals3.) stronger cardio4.) modelesque physique (i know i can achieve this... genetics wise...) so, well? your inputs will be most welcome. Please take note that i do have ample experience so Im confident that the probability of me hurting myself should be relatively low given that the program that you will give does not require a spotter or assistance... But if need be, i should be able to drag a buddy along.. Is your squat an Olympic bar squat where you broke parallel? Smith machine (like at FF) DOES NOT COUNT. Also, your "shoulder press"....was it done standing? If not, again, it does not count. Leg presses are crap...I know a 100lb girl who can press 600lbs. I really want to know about your dynamic rows as well. Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 will get on those things... the squat was done with olympic bars in a squatting cage.. unfortunately my shoulder press was done sitting down.. I hear ya about the leg press... it never was a really good benchmarker for strength... i have weak ass legs and yet i can push a s@%t load of weight on it.. considering... Will do the squat and the dynamic row maybe tom or sat... then my training officially starts on monday... ill really try to work out a system wherein i can go to your gym at some point... Im mentally exhausted with all the s@%t that i do... i get results for sure but I need a fresh start again... hence the rest... Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 btw sorry for this idiot question but what the hell is a dynamic row? T-bar row? seated row? bent over row? please explain... hehehehehehe... Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 (edited) Ms mod pag bigyan nyo na po itong post ka na ito. Promise last na arguement ko na ito. To Mr. Eclipseguy. At first I gave you respect and in return you insulted me, my AFPP and my goal of having an ACE. Personally I dont have a problem with you, its you na affected sa mga activities ko. Bakit ano bang ginawa kong masama? I shared my ideas here tulad ng ginagawa ko sa mga ibang threads in MTC. Since OCT 03, ala akong nakaaway except sayo. It seems you have an attitude problem, tinira mo si Thug, si sir DJ, yung isang unknown guy at ako. Simply because we have different methodolgy sayo. You cant deny my methodology simply because I have results. So tinira mo naman ang AFPP affiliations ko. Di ka pa nasiyahan don tinira mo din si Mam Shirley personally. After that tinira mo din ang ACE. In reality you are shooting a 20 yrs old guy na merong 4yrs gym experience. Imagine professinal ka ang your not acting like one. Tinitira mo ang AFPP at ACE thru me. We DONT have a problem with you. IKAW ang APEKTADO sa min. Sabi ko nga sayo confront mam Shirley personally. Confront someone na kalevel mo. Well siguro di mo kaya, kasi ako nga di mo pa put down. What more yung talagang educated about fitness. Nag PM ka pa sa kin na " YOUR FIGHT is VAIN." Well what fight? Im just an ordinary kid na nageenjoy magshare ng experiences ko at goals ko. Anong masama don? Im not looking for a fight here. Its true I gave you a threat, it a warning since you attacked mam Shirley personally. Any good student would that if someone insults his teacher. Ser Insecure ka ba sa kin? Aminin mo na. Obvious naman na you hate my GUTZ. Its not about fitness anymore. Live and Let Live. Bahala ko kung titirahin mo pa rin ako. If it makes you happy. As long as you are not bothering my personal life ala akong pakialam sayo. Im an Educated person so I would act like one. I would never insult others because they have beliefs which opposite to my beliefs. I would let the poster and readers judge my case against you. Mam Mod last post ko na ito about Mr. Eclipse. Thanks. Your fight is for this stupid little thing that people who choose to remain ignorant cling to desperately. This fight is for your own pride. If you let go of your pride, you might win some respect. Three things: 1) Drop the AFPP/ACE pursuit and get a CSCS. At least, with that certification, you'd be hard-pressed to NOT get respect. 2) I care about you (believe it or not) and I don't want to see you make mistakes since you have the passion. You are just misled and misguided by phonies and hacks as I consider your teacher/mentor to be. I make no apologies for my observations and opinions, and I'll make it again, and again, and again. You can threaten me all you want. Please continue, and I'll continue to giggle. The AFPP already knows about me. If they deny it, they are lying, since many of their former officers who have defected have tracked me down after reading forums like these to shake my hand. Confront her? Why? Actions (like results) speak louder than words. 3) You could be so much more (physically and mentally) under the proper methodology. Again, you are a skinny kid with a bruised ego. I honestly don't see the results, and my former members said you are very small and insecure. So let's not go there. If you knew anything like the best coaches in the world, you'll know the following traits. They speak their mind. They act "unprofessionally"....since you can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs. If I hurt feelings, I really don't care. Really. Their athletes are loyal to them to practically the death, since they made winners out of said athletes. They win. Do you want to win? I don't care if you hate me, as long as you learn from me. Quite a number of the people on this thread are now my students. You tell me what they think of me. They showed up with an open mind. Why are you so different? Edited July 20, 2006 by Eclipseguy Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 btw sorry for this idiot question but what the hell is a dynamic row? T-bar row? seated row? bent over row? please explain... hehehehehehe... This is not a stupid question because I've read dozens of training books over the years and I've looked for it online, but it was never shown or effectively explained. Actually it's explained as sort of a "legend" meaning that many people know that the exercise exists, but nobody is quite sure how to do it. I'm one of a few who have taken the time to figure it out and teach it. When you see it, you'll probably agree that you've never seen it before...but you'll LOVE it once you master it. You can move a massive amount of weight and it will increase your pullup strength tremendously. It will also allow you to set the foundation for power cleans or other Olympic lifts that require a great deal of posterior-chain stability. It's sort of a combination of a conventional style deadlift and then a bent row. You'll take a big breath, and then explosively deadlift the bar past your knees and then use your arms to guide it to your waistline. You'll then slowly lower the barbell back to the floor to complete the rep. The key is that your body is in an "L" shape, meaning that your legs are basically straight, with only a slight bend of the knees, yet your torso is parallel to the floor when the barbell touches your waistline. You keep your body parallel to the floor as you return the barbell to the floor. Once the barbell has touched the floor, you'll reset your form and repeat. You'll be amazed at the weights you'll be able to handle once you master the form, and everyone will be in awe when you perform the movement. I guarantee that you'll be the talk of the gym for the next two weeks if enough people watch you perform a heavy set :cool: Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 will get on those things... the squat was done with olympic bars in a squatting cage.. unfortunately my shoulder press was done sitting down.. I hear ya about the leg press... it never was a really good benchmarker for strength... i have weak ass legs and yet i can push a s@%t load of weight on it.. considering... Will do the squat and the dynamic row maybe tom or sat... then my training officially starts on monday... ill really try to work out a system wherein i can go to your gym at some point... Im mentally exhausted with all the s@%t that i do... i get results for sure but I need a fresh start again... hence the rest... This is sort of why Olympus and I are concerned...because you need to train your squat within the safety of a squatting/power cage with an Olympic bar with proper grip/knurling in the center of the bar. We have 9 cages at both our 24/7 branch and at EGI. I know that FF-Libis has a squat rack...but their bars were not Olympic bars. Your homework is to weigh the FF weights over the weekend, and the bars as well, and to report back to me. I don't care how many people glare at you (since they have no idea of the significance of exact weights)....I need to know how much everything weighs...in pounds. I hate having to do my progressions in kilos :thumbsdownsmiley: even if it's a 5x5 phase 1. Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Equus, Once you get your top 5, PM me and I'll send you the link to phase 1. If you have any further questions, ask me or EG. I quote yoda from star wars " To learn one must first unlearn" I am still learning up to now as me and EG were discussing about a periodization table we might use as part of the eclipse system in the near future. Quote Link to comment
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