turboneticssx8 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 :cool: personal experience regarding that thin guy who wants to gain weight... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THIN PERO MAY MUSCLE... another thing, YOU CANNOT DEFINE WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE... Its like asking a baker to make bread without dough... unless your trainer is like jesus christ who can make water into wine, YOU CANNOT SHAPE MUSCLE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE MUSCLE IN THE FIRST PLACE... Those guys who are well muscled pero sporting the thin look or physique used to be big... did everything they did to get big... as in... steroids, everything... then at one point, went into a crash diet or did drugs or s@%t load of diuretics... thats why they look that way... and believe me they can only maintain that look for no more than 3 weeks... or something like that... I have a friend... i call him sampy... kasi his body is sooooo cut and defined, parang sampaloc yung braso niya... in any case, I thought he was all natural but then he admitted that at a certain point he did do steroids and all that stuff and got really big... he was so big in fact that he felt people respected him and all that... now he stopped and he's very well defined but thin... moral of the story? When you're thin THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT YOU CAN GET CUT WITHOUT GETTING BIG FIRST... NO WAY... so again, get big, get strong, then when you have the proper foundation of strength and form, GET lean and MEAN!!! that is the right way... Ok sir. Kaya nga nandito ako para makakuha ng tips and opinions sa inyo kasi madami pa ako dapat malaman sa pag workout. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 personal experience regarding that thin guy who wants to gain weight... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THIN PERO MAY MUSCLE... another thing, YOU CANNOT DEFINE WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE... Its like asking a baker to make bread without dough... unless your trainer is like jesus christ who can make water into wine, YOU CANNOT SHAPE MUSCLE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE MUSCLE IN THE FIRST PLACE... Those guys who are well muscled pero sporting the thin look or physique used to be big... did everything they did to get big... as in... steroids, everything... then at one point, went into a crash diet or did drugs or s@%t load of diuretics... thats why they look that way... and believe me they can only maintain that look for no more than 3 weeks... or something like that... I have a friend... i call him sampy... kasi his body is sooooo cut and defined, parang sampaloc yung braso niya... in any case, I thought he was all natural but then he admitted that at a certain point he did do steroids and all that stuff and got really big... he was so big in fact that he felt people respected him and all that... now he stopped and he's very well defined but thin... moral of the story? When you're thin THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT YOU CAN GET CUT WITHOUT GETTING BIG FIRST... NO WAY... so again, get big, get strong, then when you have the proper foundation of strength and form, GET lean and MEAN!!! that is the right way... HELL YEA!!!!!! Scream it out brother! I am SOOOOO FED UP with having to explain this concept to the millionth guy!! What I hate the most is how I'll explain it, and then he'll needle me with questions which basically tells me that he thinks I'm full of sh!t! ***the room falls silent as I finish punching holes in the wall in a rage and breaking sh!t I've been meaning to throw out*** Nobody wants to believe it that I was 115lbs at 5'10"...and then bulked up to as high as 215lbs over a 3 year period (after learning what the hell I was doing finally) to finally diet down to 155lbs, ultra-ripped. Even then I've been bulking and cutting to the point where I'm about 10lbs over my ultra-ripped weight of about 175lbs. Even at our website, in the section for the training of men, we talk about how you cannot get lean and mean without putting on some fat for a period of time. I was even corrected on this from one of our members last week. His example was of Brad Pitt for Fight Club. The tabloids had pictures of Brad Pitt when he was bulking up for Fight Club. Mr. Pitt had a GUT and looked basically like a hillbilly truckdriver. But, of course, nobody wants to believe this. They think it's just "tabloid lies". Well it's the truth, people. When you see guys like Brad Pitt, the guy from Blade Trinity, most Calvin Klein underwear models, etc, you only see them when they are doing PHOTO SHOOTS. They get ripped over a period of 8-12 months and they take DIURETICS for the photoshoot. I've already had at least a dozen male and FEMALE models ask me how they can use diuretics. Some of these models have competed in BIG local competitions like MTV, for example. Again, you people are looking at individuals in a chemically enhanced state for a period of 1 HOUR of their lives. YOU CANNOT LOOK LIKE THEM unless you are willing to do what it takes to look like them. It follows: Get big, (FAT) and then get ripped. For that extra edge, you'll need to drop excess water for a day or two. That's it. As EQUUS said, you CANNOT define what you DO NOT HAVE. Is it clear yet? Somehow I think there is a huge blind spot with respect to our posts for the average reader. Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 (edited) Correction on my last post: I meant to get ripped over a period of 8-12 weeks. To all of the bodybuilding magazine readers, this is the purpose of the "cutting phase". Here is the abridged version of what we do at Eclipse: After Phase 1, 2, and 3, the tail end of Phase 3 (after you plateau on the first part of Phase 3) is where you'll drop the weight about 10lbs on average, and then focus on doing 10 sets of 10 reps, 8 sets of 8 reps, or 10 sets of 6 reps, and maintaining as much muscle and strength as possible while gradually lowering your calories. What we've experienced is that over a period of 4-8 weeks, the average person will retain 80% of the muscle and strength that they've gained from the first 3 phases while shedding all of the fat. Hence, lean and mean....and MUCH bigger and stronger (and ripped) as a net gain. Looking good is a long, ugly process. Just like cosmetic surgery. You only see stars after the months of healing has occured. I even dated a former singer/model who has had a nose job, chin, job, eye job, boob job, lipo, whole-body skin whitining, etc. Her daughter told me that her mother (my ex) was basically out of the limelight for about 6 months. She couldn't smile or move her eyebrows for almost 8 months until the last of the swelling had gone down. Another singer I dated (other than the one I talked about above) had similar procedures and said that she dropped out of life for about 5 months. Only her closest friends and family saw her before everything healed. (Don't ask me how I got involved with back-to-back singers...I still can't figure that out ) LESSON: YOU DON'T SEE PEOPLE UNTIL THEY WANT YOU TO SEE THEM...MEANING AT THEIR BEST! Edited August 9, 2006 by Eclipseguy Quote Link to comment
devlin_acura Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) i tink magagawaan nila oly at eg ng paraan yan lalo na kung meron ng eclipse regulars na nakaatira din sa bulacan sana nga. ill try to find a way also. thanks. hope to see you guys soon. ot na ako. para di ot:@turboneticssx8, tama sila - you should gain weight muna, before when i was around 90-100lbs, nag gym din ako pero it didnt work. two months lang tinigil ko na. kasi yung eating habits ko problem ko, wala masyado gana kumain o kaya hindi healthy yung food na kinakain ko. last year lang ako started gaining weight nung tinutukan ko habit ko ng pagkain (pero di ako pumupunta ng gym nun). 1 cup rice sa morning, 2 cups sa tanghali and sa gabi. may snack pa yun in between. though hindi ko alam kung anu-ano yung mga good and healthy foods, basta kain ko lang makita ko sa ref. nung tumataba na ako, saka ako naging conscious sa kinakain ko.. though di ko pa rin alam kung ano proper diet, take ko na lang advice nila like if i take a regular can of corned beef, i should also take about 3 eggs. Edited August 10, 2006 by devlin_acura Quote Link to comment
jaymz Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 personal experience regarding that thin guy who wants to gain weight... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THIN PERO MAY MUSCLE... another thing, YOU CANNOT DEFINE WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE... Its like asking a baker to make bread without dough... unless your trainer is like jesus christ who can make water into wine, YOU CANNOT SHAPE MUSCLE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE MUSCLE IN THE FIRST PLACE... When you're thin THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT YOU CAN GET CUT WITHOUT GETTING BIG FIRST... NO WAY... so again, get big, get strong, then when you have the proper foundation of strength and form, GET lean and MEAN!!! that is the right way...Many used to think getting their dream physique is as easy as doing biceps curls and ab crunches. Bodybuilding is not a mere game or sport, it's a lifestyle. It will take a ton of discipline, perseverance, patience, motivation etc. to get the body you desire. 3 main aspects of bodybuilding:Proper dietProper trainingAdequate rest If you failed in just one, stop dreaming of getting ripped. Quote Link to comment
turboneticssx8 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 HELL YEA!!!!!! Scream it out brother! I am SOOOOO FED UP with having to explain this concept to the millionth guy!! What I hate the most is how I'll explain it, and then he'll needle me with questions which basically tells me that he thinks I'm full of sh!t! ***the room falls silent as I finish punching holes in the wall in a rage and breaking sh!t I've been meaning to throw out*** Nobody wants to believe it that I was 115lbs at 5'10"...and then bulked up to as high as 215lbs over a 3 year period (after learning what the hell I was doing finally) to finally diet down to 155lbs, ultra-ripped. Even then I've been bulking and cutting to the point where I'm about 10lbs over my ultra-ripped weight of about 175lbs. Even at our website, in the section for the training of men, we talk about how you cannot get lean and mean without putting on some fat for a period of time. I was even corrected on this from one of our members last week. His example was of Brad Pitt for Fight Club. The tabloids had pictures of Brad Pitt when he was bulking up for Fight Club. Mr. Pitt had a GUT and looked basically like a hillbilly truckdriver. But, of course, nobody wants to believe this. They think it's just "tabloid lies". Well it's the truth, people. When you see guys like Brad Pitt, the guy from Blade Trinity, most Calvin Klein underwear models, etc, you only see them when they are doing PHOTO SHOOTS. They get ripped over a period of 8-12 months and they take DIURETICS for the photoshoot. I've already had at least a dozen male and FEMALE models ask me how they can use diuretics. Some of these models have competed in BIG local competitions like MTV, for example. Again, you people are looking at individuals in a chemically enhanced state for a period of 1 HOUR of their lives. YOU CANNOT LOOK LIKE THEM unless you are willing to do what it takes to look like them. It follows: Get big, (FAT) and then get ripped. For that extra edge, you'll need to drop excess water for a day or two. That's it. As EQUUS said, you CANNOT define what you DO NOT HAVE. Is it clear yet? Somehow I think there is a huge blind spot with respect to our posts for the average reader. Ok. Point taken. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Definitely get big first then lean out later. You definitely want to start doing squats since I have yet to meet a person who doesn't do squats and has showed me an impressive physique. Also, a guy who doesn't train his legs looks like a person with polio Now about some guys giving advice on the boards, let the buyer beware.. Some guys keep posting and giving advice when they themselves haven't gotten respectable results yet, worst off they are nothing but glorified supplement dealers, yet have not even felt what it is to squat near 300 lbs raw or pull 315 off the floor... YOU KNOW WHO YOU AR SO BACK THE F--K OFF since you still need more "IRON TIME". No pun intended but again, not knowing what to do is curable, knowing something yet refusing to listen to the truth is terminal Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Ego wat ego? Ikaw ang may apektado sa kin. Im just sharing wat I do. Training properly? Di ba proper naman na mag slow down ka kesa naman mag risk na bumalik yung injury? Slow but surely. Iba ang trauma na pag naaalala mo na pinasok ka sa operating room. Tulad nga na sabi ko, pang prepare lang yon. Di ako magagain ng aditional muscle or something. Im just practicing the correct form. Also niraramdam ko din yung shoulder ko. Ms gusto ko magpaka safe muna. One week pa Ill my post my real program. Pag nakita mo yon sure ako di ka uusok ilong mo. You call doing upright rows after getting a shoulder injury proper? Cmon you're an engineering student so you must have brains, these exercises are DANGEROUS as they impinge your rotator cuffs so you can wreck your shoulder again. I'm sure your real program won't be anything close to eye candy and unless you drop your bodybuilding ACE hardware AFPP is the best mentality, you're not gonna go anywhere within the next 5 years. Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Ser wag nyo po gawan ng program. Delakado mag recomend ng program kung di mo po nakikita ng personal yung person. Sympre pag post lang may tendency na di nila sabihin lahat ng totoo at lahat ng imprtnt infos Post advice at experiences na lang po. I know what I'm doing since THIS IS MY JOB!! so stop lecturing me kid. Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 For those who still insist on the leg press http://www.slate.com/id/2142567/ Quote Link to comment
turboneticssx8 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Ok lang kaya na to? DAY 1 ChestBiceps TricepsAbsTrapz DAY2 BackShouldersLegs Check ko lang kung ok na yan for a twice a week workout. Gusto ko rin malaman kung ano dapat unahin jan. Nagtatanong lang para ma-improve ko workout ko. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 well... depende yan sayo... In all honesty, I used to split my work outs like you are doing now... i managed to get some gains over the next 2 years... pero madami kasamang injury... Id rather that you do the 5 x 5 pero magpaturo ka... But if you want to tailor fit your workout regimen to your schedule, then just get a good pair of running shoes and run when you can... Honestly, kelangan mo talaga mag commmit ng oras at pagod at dugo para magka resulta ka... But if you "just wanna get fit..." mag badminton ka nalang or take up a sport... thats the best way to get fit na hindi ka pa masasaktan... The moment you hit the weight room and you are serious about making the commitment, then come back to us... But if you really insist on doing this program, you're better of doing full body workout kung twice a week lang... seriously... 2 to 3 days rest in between workout... but be prepared to be really working out and getting into real pain the next day... also higher risk of injury... Thats my suggestion, if just twice a week is all you can manage, full body mo na... Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 well... depende yan sayo... In all honesty, I used to split my work outs like you are doing now... i managed to get some gains over the next 2 years... pero madami kasamang injury... Id rather that you do the 5 x 5 pero magpaturo ka... But if you want to tailor fit your workout regimen to your schedule, then just get a good pair of running shoes and run when you can... Honestly, kelangan mo talaga mag commmit ng oras at pagod at dugo para magka resulta ka... But if you "just wanna get fit..." mag badminton ka nalang or take up a sport... thats the best way to get fit na hindi ka pa masasaktan... The moment you hit the weight room and you are serious about making the commitment, then come back to us... But if you really insist on doing this program, you're better of doing full body workout kung twice a week lang... seriously... 2 to 3 days rest in between workout... but be prepared to be really working out and getting into real pain the next day... also higher risk of injury... Thats my suggestion, if just twice a week is all you can manage, full body mo na... Agreed!! Fullbody workouts are much better than bodypart splits any given day! Quote Link to comment
turboneticssx8 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Try ko sundin mga tips nyo starting bukas. Ang layo kasi ng gym nyo sa house ko. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Try ko sundin mga tips nyo starting bukas. Ang layo kasi ng gym nyo sa house ko. Thanks! Like how far? Quote Link to comment
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