Build A Model Body!

[Eclipseguy]

we should rename this thread to "Since we cannot disprove the claims of EG and Olympus lets just try to make them look bad by pointing out that EG is an assh*le (which he doesn't deny) and that Olympus is nothing more than his subservient lackey (which he does not deny either) and that they are here to make a profit (which neither of them deny either since we all got to eat and this is the industry that they chose to work in)."

 

Stop with that crap already because it is getting old... EG, play nice. DJ25, he's an ass, get over it.

 

In any case, have we exhausted all possible ways and meansin having a model body?

 

Recap - No carb is not necessarily good

rice is not the enemy, calories is.

Tabata, HIIT, EDT, and so on and so forth are new programs to get where you want to go.

Whatever else anyone says, old fashioned running is generally healthy as long as you don' run your knees to the ground

 

anything else?

 

 

In your case, you need to go practice your dynamic rows so we can figure out where to start you out...so get off your butt and go to the gym and finish your homework

[Olympus]

And in my case? show up for work later? ;p

[Eclipseguy]

dj25,

 

I do not get why you expect us to give such cmplicated answers. Anyone will know that a good coach will make complicated things simple. Now, if you just want to exchange verbal quips, we're not getting anywhere here and in fact it is getting really boring already. Why do you continue to argue when you already admitted you have ZERO CLINETS, YOU DON'T WORK IN A GYM AND YOU HAVEN'T PRODUCED ANY RESULTS FOR ANYONE?" It doesn't make sense. We have paid our dues in both training ourselves and clients and producing results and results don't lie

 

Don't forget where he admitted that he gives advice that he, himself, doesn't practice, and also how he admitted that he doesn't care about what happens to the people he advises

[Equus]

hehehehehehhehehehe... yeah yeah yeah... some of us have to work for a living and not work out as a means of living you know... yes bodd, will have the figures by sunday night...

[Eclipseguy]

And in my case? show up for work later? ;p

 

After how it was busy until 1030 last night with the Ortigas crew, I'd imagine that the answer is a resounding "yes...please drop by"

[Olympus]

Don't forget where he admitted that he gives advice that he, himself, doesn't practice, and also how he admitted that he doesn't care about what happens to the people he advises

 

That would be like a doctor who doesn't care if his clients get well or not.

[Eclipseguy]

I think there are still other methods out there that are effective. Actually, we are studying another method to see if it is feasible, seeing that one of my clients got stronger on this method and managed to lose fat in the process.

 

There are plenty of other methods out there that are theoretically sound and I'd welcome, with open arms, the advice or experience of someone out there who has tried them thoroughly. The problem is that nobody has offered them yet. It's easy to stick to 1001 Weider-principles that don't work or are disputed by science (such as isolation and "inner" and "outer" chest).

 

The bad advice I hear is mainly parroted from bodybuilding magazines. I think that's where the problem lies as well. Most people don't understand that a bodybuilding or fitness magazine is a 100% advertisement for supplements and when you tell them this, they will get even angry since they can't handle the truth. As an evil dictator (Adolf Hitler) once said, "the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it."

 

Furthermore, when you expose a system like ACE as a huge network that exists to market Nautilus, people refuse to believe it since they are more comfortable believing the lies. ACE exists to mislead us to make us believe that machines are superior to free weights, when science has proven, hands-down, that they are not. In fact, they are more dangerous than free weights.

 

At least we don't deny the business aspect as to why we give advice. The last time I checked, most advice givers have to eat too. The problem is that so many people don't understand this. I can think of so many instances on other forums where members of other mainstream gyms here beg me for advice, tell me how they don't trust the trainers in those gyms, yet refuse to show gratitude in the form of patronizing our facility since we changed their lives with our advice. To let other gyms indirectly take credit for our methods is what I cannot allow.

[Olympus]

I used to think that when you are certified by ACE, you are a very good trainer. After working for our erstwhile gym, I suddenly realized that ACE was not as cut out as I thought it to be just by seeing how the trainers there handle thier clients.. ZERO, if minimal results.

 

About the business part, it is best shown like a resto or bakeshop. Someone says the restaurant across the street sucks, we make them taste our dishes and love it. Next thing you know, they are asking us for the recipe and then get upset why we don't give it when they don't realize that the same recipe we made them taste is what will put food on our table and help pay the bills. Giving away your secrets would be like giving away your ATM password and leaving your ATM card in the front desk

[Olympus]

http://alwyncosgrove.com/learned.html

 

another good article with some moments of "anger" :cool:

[Eclipseguy]

http://alwyncosgrove.com/learned.html

 

another good article with some moments of "anger" :cool:

 

The interesting thing is that most strength coaches are "assho!es", just like this. God bless them :cool:

 

The purpose of a coach is to kick you in the arse and get you to focus. We are not supposed to be "nice" or politically correct. Tough love breeds results.

[Olympus]

The interesting thing is that most strength coaches are "assho!es", just like this. God bless them :cool:

 

The purpose of a coach is to kick you in the arse and get you to focus. We are not supposed to be "nice" or politically correct. Tough love breeds results.

 

Or scream in your ear using a megaphone if needed :cool: Makes me wonder what would happen if there was a seminar and by coincidence, you and Alwyn Cosgrove were there, what a riot that woud be :mtc:

[devlin_acura]

question again... how could i gauge my progress? i know that my trainor should personally monitor mine but unfortunately he doesnt. i really want to go train in other gym.. too bad.. none anywhere near our place.

 

anyway, after the first session about instructions of what exercise should i do, i was working on my own. now, i want to know if im progressing,, visually, i think so... i can see my arms and chest are larger and harder (before kasi puro fats ang laman!). i also lost 4.5 lbs in span of 2 wks.

 

anyone could give me simple way to measure my progress (aside from putting on my old tshirts and pants to check if i gain muscles or lose fats - - hehehehe -- i do this kasi... kakatawa lang but fulfilling when i notice my sleeves are smaller because of muscles.)

 

thanks in advance.

 

ps. should i take protein shake or amino tablets for faster progress? i do watch what i eat to get the nutrients i need pero feel ko i still want to have supplement aside from the foods i take.....

Edited July 21, 2006 by devlin_acura

[Eclipseguy]

question again... how could i gauge my progress? i know that my trainor should personally monitor mine but unfortunately he doesnt. i really want to go train in other gym.. too bad.. none anywhere near our place.

 

anyway, after the first session about instructions of what exercise should i do, i was working on my own. now, i want to know if im progressing,, visually, i think so... i can see my arms and chest are larger and harder (before kasi puro fats ang laman!). i also lost 4.5 lbs in span of 2 wks.

 

anyone could give me simple way to measure my progress (aside from putting on my old tshirts and pants to check if i gain muscles or lose fats - - hehehehe -- i do this kasi... kakatawa lang but fulfilling when i notice my sleeves are smaller because of muscles.)

 

thanks in advance.

 

ps. should i take protein shake or amino tablets for faster progress? i do watch what i eat to get the nutrients i need pero feel ko i still want to have supplement aside from the foods i take.....

 

You should rely on skinfold tests rather than the scale, since you'll probably lose fat and gain muscle. When this happens, the scale will not reflect accurately your progress. Even with the skinfold, it's not entirely accurate since often it takes longer for the skin to tighten after you've lost the fat. The lose skin will tend to fool you that you are still "flabby". It usually takes 2-3 months to tighten fully even when you are young.

 

If you are eating a balance of vegetables, foods like camote, and lean meats or eggs, you don't need anything else other than a multi vitamin like Kirkland and magnesium. Extra C and E are always good as well.

 

Don't let anyone convince you that you can eat as much protein as you want while losing weight. Often people have a hard time losing fat because they are eating too much protein. If you are getting bad or frequent gas, chances are you are eating too much protein as well. Don't eat more than 30 grams of protein per meal. This is approximately 125grams of corned beef or a large chicken breast, or even 3 extra-large whole eggs. And yes, you can eat the yolks and it won't raise your cholesterol.

[Eclipseguy]

Why we post on threads like these and why we get upset with people who mislead others:

 

So it's loud and clear, our gym is trying to change the fitness industry locally. Right now, we are experiencing a fitness boom here in the Philippines. There are new gyms springing up on a daily basis, not including the big foreign franchises like Gold's and Fitness First. Because of this, we understand that everyone is trying to decide which gym is best for them. To get the word out, other than massive marketing budgets, I am aware of the power of the internet.

 

After all, it has been where I've been giving advice since the late 90's on other fitness forums, both locally and internationally. On many of these forums, I've been a moderator. This has always been a hobby since I began my fitness career as a 5'10", 115lb weakling who could only bench press 70lbs for 3 reps.

 

16 years later, I've benched 330lbs raw at 185lbs with less than 10% bodyfat, and nearly 400lbs in competition gear. I am now in charge of two large-scale fitness centers, and maintain my various advice positions on the web. Eclipse is a new chain of fitness centers, so it's where I've basically taken my passion and long-time hobby and turned it into a business with my partners.

 

Why I am passionanate and adamant to standing up to bad advice:

 

Because I was a victim of years of bad advice before I met people who rebuked me, put me in my place, frankly insulted my size and ego, and left me a deflated child with my mouth open gaping like a goldfish gasping for air in the middle of the gym floor.

 

And then these same individuals took me in and guided me. They told me the truth of what works, and what does not. They educated me about all of the lies that are taught by big-business mainstream fitness to continue the sale of expensive, yet largely unproven and ineffective machines and supplements.

 

They taught me that while there are many different principles, less than a handful work. They also taught me not to specialize my knowledge in all areas, but instead focus on one and become an authority in it. I chose to focus on mass and strength building, i.e. "off-season" conditioning. This does not mean that I do not understand pre-season and in-season conditioning. I know that as well. If I need to get someone in shape for a modeling shoot, sport, or bodybuilding meet, I can do so. But there are other individuals out there who have more experience at this phase, and I'll gladly step aside.

 

Many of you reading might wonder what are examples of some of the principles that work. Here is a basic run-down.

 

1) You need to get strong first, and then gain mass second. This is the core of any model training, or training for sports.

 

2) You need to use heavy basic movements like squats, deadlifts, pullups, standing military presses, dips/bench press, and barbell/dynamic rows.

 

3) Isolation is a myth, and doing curls or extra ab training is simply overkill. Show me someone who doesn't have well-developed abs (after they diet and lose fat to show the abs) that can squat 250lbs or do a pullup with 50lbs over their bodyweight, and you can have your pick of my personal possessions. I have trained a guy for 6 months who now has 17" biceps and is steroid free. He takes no supplements and eats simple foods since his budget doesn't allow for extra. For the prior 2 years, he was stuck with his progress. With me, he's gained nearly 20lbs of muscle.

 

4) You must periodize your training into phases. Each phase consists of several weeks of strength training, followed by several weeks of mass building or conditioning.

 

5) You must avoid training to failure as much as possible.

 

6) You should never force reps.

 

7) Squats were mentioned above, but if you are not doing barbell squats, you might as well not go the gym. I have a 71 year old member who squats regularly. He had zero mobility in his knees for the previous 20 years before I introduced him to squats. Now he has the mobility of someone half his age, and the results came in less than 3 weeks.

 

8) You should limit your cardio to 20 minutes or less, if you wish to lose fat and maintain muscle. This has been proven over and over again through exhaustive research, and is practiced in all major sports in the US, Canada, and other competitive nations.

 

9) Athletic shoes are the #1 cause of injury. Always train in bare feet if at all possible, or limit your shoes to hard-soled shoes.

 

10) There is no "best" way to train, since research is not that advanced as to determine which of the very few general methods are best. Each great coach has his own "pet" programs, but all revolve their training over periods of heavy work and lesser volume, and moderate weight and heavier volume. This facilitates recovery. Again, you cannot push year-round and expect to make continued progress. All great coaches depend on progressions, where you'll back off your heaviest weights for a period of time, and then you'll try to set new personal records with respect to weight or volume.

 

11) Crossfit is not necessarily better than EDT, which in turn are both not necessarily better than GVT. Each must be tailored by an experienced strength coach.

 

12) HIT and HIIT are not the same thing.

 

13) You can only do a program for 1-8 weeks and expect continued progress. At this point you must shift gears and move to something else. This doesn't mean that you go from squats to leg press, instead it means that instead of going for new personal records in the squat, you'll back off and squat for 10 sets of 10 reps, for example for 60% of your 1 rep max for 6-8 weeks until your nervous system can recover and you hit it hard again.

 

14) Everyone is indeed different, yet we are all human beings and everyone should train in the same ways for maximal results. A talented coach can scale these principles to the individual based on their skill level. Of all of these points, this one, number 14, is the most significant. People are people, and old or young, male or female, rich or poor, we should all follow these same general principles. They have been producing both world-class athletes and models for the past 100 years.

 

Again, what I am doing is a form of marketing. I readily admit to this. But even if I didn't have a gym to direct and large numbers of people to train, I'd still be here fighting with people who are misleading others. The gym is the only thing about me that has changed, and Olympus is no different.

 

Even with all of these principles listed above, experience is the key to bringing them to life. We all must learn through trial and error, and because each person is different, WE NEVER STOP LEARNING. Therefore, to KNOW IT ALL is IMPOSSIBLE.

 

Through all of this, I hope everyone reading doesn't mistake passion for arrogance.

 

For those who detract from what I write here, I simply pity you. All I can suggest is that you be part of the solution and help people once you've gained the appropriate experience and are ready and willing to show yourself for the world to see. Otherwise you are only part of the problem, and you only post to serve your own ego.

 

Other than marketing that I already admitted to doing, and never hid it, I do this because fitness has changed my life. That is why I've decided to make it my life's work. I don't need to do this to pay my bills. I WANT to do it.

[Eclipseguy]

Oh yea...this is DJ25: http://www.friendster.com/photos/5143424/292287252#5

 

Model body eh?

 

I'll let everyone be the judge....

 

My case is closed.