BEaST-RiPPed Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 ako ayaw ko rin ng katawan ni brad pete kasi kahit maging ganon na ang katawan ko hindi ko pa rin mababago ang hitsura ko. si brod pete siguro ng dating daan pwede pa. ahem pre brad pitt un kung hindi tyo matangkad nde tlg babagay ung katawan nya sa atin ung hitsura nman, ewan ko b kung bkit ang dming nahuhumaling dun e hinde nman sya gnun ka gwapo saka nde nman binabase sa itsura ung pagkasikat ng artista sa tate e d2 lng cguro un parang si sam milby nde nman marunong umarte pero nagiging bida sa pelikula & tv.c brod pete taga dating doon un c soriano ung dating daan peace... ok lang yun pre, libre naman ang mangarap... kantahin mo nlng ung old song ni jaime rivera..."pangarap k na lng ba o magiging katotohanan pa..." Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 that's my point, you do not say that theories are nothing and result is still the best.coz you admit that you are still practicing the theories and principles in your gym.the debate that we have here is what principle or theory is applicable to certain person.maybe, I still apply the old form of fitness program for myself but criticizing it is really a foul play, since the old program still works for me and i also based it to theories and principles. this also happens to you when i criticized the program that you want to advertise. you were very furious about it.instead of criticizing it, you should convince the people here by giving a sample program. i've asked in this thread regarding HIIT and TABATA. olympus only replied 60 or 70 percent of the body weight is the start of the poundage. i mean, that's it, how do you progress this? i did not have a concrete answer. like what you said, you should give it in a more detailed fashion.i'm not bragging coz i'm a PT. i'm just using this to my advantage because when you say fitness it refers to the muscles, how it moves, how can you improve it, etc..etc.... however, i'm just generalizing it, i know that there are still subcategory when it comes to fitness.that's why some people get irritated with your post. this thread is not your thread, this thread is for all the gym goers out there who wants to share their experiences in going to the gym. unless the title of the thread is ECLIPSE BUILD A MODEL BODY, then we have no reason to post something here. You have completely twisted your original points have allowed this thread to evolve into something else. Very interesting strategy. Stop trying to drum up support when you say "some people" are irritated with our posts. Those "some people" is you. The other guy gets upset because we criticize his blind worship of a big-business orgainization and his inexperience. I think he figured out the point, yet you still have not. This is weak if not pathetic. Stand up for yourself without having to look for others to back you up. Define what works for you, and what is the result of how it is working? Again, you have not produced results in one person that you've trained, or advised, or whatever. You claim that you don't have the "resources" to do so, which is utter nonsense. I have only been a fitness professional (by definition) for 6 months, yet I've been advising/traing people for 10 years, using the resources of their facilities. I do criticize your methods that won't work for 99% of the population, and I will continue to do so. Furthermore, below I'm challenging you: How about you just show up to Eclipse so I can see your body and the weights you lift? Surely you're so passionate about this thread and feel you have so much to prove, so I'll donate my facilities for you to test yourself with respect to your vast experience and "proven" methods against my trainees with 6 months of experience or less. All are busy professional students or workers, and not professional athletes. My fury was at your arrogance as a PT who is not used to being put in his place (like most of your PT turned trainer ilk) The only cool PT's I've ever met who have open minds are usually the lady PT's when they see us train. They know that they are not on our level and are very willing to learn. The men are not. If you (or anyone else) wants to go back and see how we put you over our proverbial knees and spanked you online, it might remind you of how we got to it, past it, and now you're coming back for round 2. As I've always said though, actions speak louder than words, and you can show up and shut us up in a gentlemen's game. Advertise? I've been giving this advice away for free for 10 years. Just because I know am responsible for a facility and its members is irrelevant. How many times can I say this? "WE CANNOT GIVE SPECIFICS ONLINE SINCE MOST PEOPLE WILL SCREW IT UP BECAUSE OF BAD FORM, SLOPPY TECHNIQUE OR OTHER MISTAKES. ALL WE CAN DO IS GIVE AN OUTLINE OR ABSOLUTE DO'S AND DON'TS WITH RESPECT TO THEORY!!" Some people will substitute machines for free weights out of sheer lazyness (but usually due to lack of proper equipment like in fitness first). Even some of our members like Cassio gave examples of how he comes from Cubao (like most of our members come from a distance) to make sure he gets everything correctly. Wrong. This thread is not for sharing your experiences of going to the gym. This is a thread to ask how the average person can build a model body. When you give bad advice that will mislead people based on your limited experience, the purpose of a forum/debate is to debunk your advice. Applying it to a certain person falls into that context, especially if you've never done something for one person, let alone hundreds of a general population! Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Furthermore, NOBODY IS ASKING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS with respect to weights, reps, sets, etc. This topic of building a model body is VERY BROAD. Again, we are debunking bad general advice and trying to guide people into the proper general direction. It's IMPOSSIBLE to write an EFFECTIVE and EXACT program online for someone who we cannot see in person with respect to their body and exercise form. If we did, and they were doing it WRONG, HOW WOULD WE KNOW? DJ25, would you do physical therapy over the internet? Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I agree... there will be too much left for interpretation if specifics were given on this board by some trainers and the liability would be too high if they don't even know the capacity of the individuals... Lesson to be learned here is openness... this thread is about how to get a model body and OLY and EG have given various examples on how to achieve it as well as the other individuals who have been posting here.. next thing to do really is to have a before and after thingy... that will and is the only way to justify whos right and whos wrong... Then again, i still agree with some of the points stated earlier that the principles that EG and OLY abide by are too aggressive for beginners... saying that, I respect their decision in not going into specifics because its like giving a gun to a child... I don't have as much experience as compared to a lot of you but I do know enough to say that some of the things that EG and OLY prescribes here can really hurt you if you don't know what yer doing... or if yer not doing it 80 percent right... A lot of them really are not beginner routines... but then again, the range in this thread is so BROAD... as in... given the different demographics of the people subscribing here and reading, there is no one way to do things that is right for everyone... Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I agree... there will be too much left for interpretation if specifics were given on this board by some trainers and the liability would be too high if they don't even know the capacity of the individuals... Lesson to be learned here is openness... this thread is about how to get a model body and OLY and EG have given various examples on how to achieve it as well as the other individuals who have been posting here.. next thing to do really is to have a before and after thingy... that will and is the only way to justify whos right and whos wrong... Then again, i still agree with some of the points stated earlier that the principles that EG and OLY abide by are too aggressive for beginners... saying that, I respect their decision in not going into specifics because its like giving a gun to a child... I don't have as much experience as compared to a lot of you but I do know enough to say that some of the things that EG and OLY prescribes here can really hurt you if you don't know what yer doing... or if yer not doing it 80 percent right... A lot of them really are not beginner routines... but then again, the range in this thread is so BROAD... as in... given the different demographics of the people subscribing here and reading, there is no one way to do things that is right for everyone... 100% correct. What we do is indeed too aggressive in the hands of individuals who don't have the experience to administer it at a beginner level. It works very well for beginners, but only when scaled down to their level and using equipment designed for this purpose tailored to our specifics. Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 An interesting side-note: One of my former coaches is now the trainer of the Sex Bomb dancers...let's see if he actually absorbed anything I taught him Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 oh common, your the one who's not accepting and respecting what people write here. i did not mention anything being superior to you guys, i think your the one mentioning it that your the superior ones. i'm just here to share my experiences as well as the other guys. if you backtrack my post i was asking HIIT and not HIT. how come you and EG have different preference when it comes in training? i thought that you are in the same level and in the same boat? now your telling us that you practice different principle and approach. i thought the dog should obey his master since the master knows it all. i'm not mocking you guys. i'm just shedding light to you that this thread is for all of us whether with or without experience, and not exclusive for the two of you. now with regards to the HIIT, is that the only thing you can share with us. can you give us form of exercises, repetitions, and how many sets. again, i'm not mocking, this is an honest question since this is not my field. If you keep talking to people like this, i.e., "dog and master", I'll make you my bitch, and that's a promise. If you don't like my words, you know where to find me. Peace. Quote Link to comment
Alphamale-X Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I have to agree with dj25...I guess you can always share your knowledge and expertise without your "ego" and bragging" getting in the way! But again thank you to those who have shared in this forum specially the sites Peace to all!! Quote Link to comment
dj25 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 ahem pre brad pitt un kung hindi tyo matangkad nde tlg babagay ung katawan nya sa atin ung hitsura nman, ewan ko b kung bkit ang dming nahuhumaling dun e hinde nman sya gnun ka gwapo saka nde nman binabase sa itsura ung pagkasikat ng artista sa tate e d2 lng cguro un parang si sam milby nde nman marunong umarte pero nagiging bida sa pelikula & tv.c brod pete taga dating doon un c soriano ung dating daan peace...kantahin mo nlng ung old song ni jaime rivera..."pangarap k na lng ba o magiging katotohanan pa..." yun nga yung gusto kong sabihin brad pete ng dating doon, nagkamali lang ng spelling. You have completely twisted your original points have allowed this thread to evolve into something else. Very interesting strategy. Stop trying to drum up support when you say "some people" are irritated with our posts. Those "some people" is you. The other guy gets upset because we criticize his blind worship of a big-business orgainization and his inexperience. I think he figured out the point, yet you still have not. This is weak if not pathetic. Stand up for yourself without having to look for others to back you up. Define what works for you, and what is the result of how it is working? Again, you have not produced results in one person that you've trained, or advised, or whatever. You claim that you don't have the "resources" to do so, which is utter nonsense. I have only been a fitness professional (by definition) for 6 months, yet I've been advising/traing people for 10 years, using the resources of their facilities. I do criticize your methods that won't work for 99% of the population, and I will continue to do so. Furthermore, below I'm challenging you: How about you just show up to Eclipse so I can see your body and the weights you lift? Surely you're so passionate about this thread and feel you have so much to prove, so I'll donate my facilities for you to test yourself with respect to your vast experience and "proven" methods against my trainees with 6 months of experience or less. All are busy professional students or workers, and not professional athletes. My fury was at your arrogance as a PT who is not used to being put in his place (like most of your PT turned trainer ilk) The only cool PT's I've ever met who have open minds are usually the lady PT's when they see us train. They know that they are not on our level and are very willing to learn. The men are not. If you (or anyone else) wants to go back and see how we put you over our proverbial knees and spanked you online, it might remind you of how we got to it, past it, and now you're coming back for round 2. As I've always said though, actions speak louder than words, and you can show up and shut us up in a gentlemen's game. Advertise? I've been giving this advice away for free for 10 years. Just because I know am responsible for a facility and its members is irrelevant. How many times can I say this? "WE CANNOT GIVE SPECIFICS ONLINE SINCE MOST PEOPLE WILL SCREW IT UP BECAUSE OF BAD FORM, SLOPPY TECHNIQUE OR OTHER MISTAKES. ALL WE CAN DO IS GIVE AN OUTLINE OR ABSOLUTE DO'S AND DON'TS WITH RESPECT TO THEORY!!" Some people will substitute machines for free weights out of sheer lazyness (but usually due to lack of proper equipment like in fitness first). Even some of our members like Cassio gave examples of how he comes from Cubao (like most of our members come from a distance) to make sure he gets everything correctly. Wrong. This thread is not for sharing your experiences of going to the gym. This is a thread to ask how the average person can build a model body. When you give bad advice that will mislead people based on your limited experience, the purpose of a forum/debate is to debunk your advice. Applying it to a certain person falls into that context, especially if you've never done something for one person, let alone hundreds of a general population! i did not twist the the original points in this thread. my previous debate was theories and principle which according to you is nonsense since experience is still the best. now, you already admitted that you practice certain principles and theories in your gym which contradicts your initial post. with regards to some people, i maybe one of them but i think you know the rest which you also criticized in a crude manner. i'm open to criticism as long as it's constructive criticism, however, the manner you answer this thread is a destructive one. yes, i'm giving advice to some people but i don't care if they will follow it or not since they are not my priorities that's why i don't produce. like what i've posted earlier, i'm just a regular gym goer and if somebody ask me then i will give my opinion and the rest is history i don't follow up with them. your willing to donate your facilities for me, i'm shock. hehehe. challenging me to something is not really my forte, not that i'm afraid, is that i don't want to waste my time to do that since i don't take it personally like what you are doing right now. since your challenging me personally, i want to challege mentally in giving rationale to all exercise that we can debate about so the people reading in this thread will learn more in our debate. arrogant, hhhhhmmmmmmm, maybe, but you should also ask yourself if your not an arrogant person. if you don't admit it then it just concludes that your an arrogant person. youre eating your words again, if you back track the posts here majority of them does not cover the title of the thread. they simply share their experiences. Furthermore, NOBODY IS ASKING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS with respect to weights, reps, sets, etc. This topic of building a model body is VERY BROAD. Again, we are debunking bad general advice and trying to guide people into the proper general direction. It's IMPOSSIBLE to write an EFFECTIVE and EXACT program online for someone who we cannot see in person with respect to their body and exercise form. If we did, and they were doing it WRONG, HOW WOULD WE KNOW? DJ25, would you do physical therapy over the internet? no one is asking specific questions coz they don't know what questions to ask. i already posted an intelligent question and all i got from olympus is that. i mean you can do better than that. i want to try HIIT and TABATA method for myself. i keep on searching the net but they don't give me specifics. since your the strength coaches, i expect something more intelligent answers and i'm willing to learn since this is not my area of expertise as long as i give an intelligent answer. you also posted that your program applies to all how come your now telling me that it's impossible to write an effective and exact program online for someone who we cannot see in person. i'm not asking a program, i just want specifics for these methods. i would give PT treatment advice online as long as the condition is in the general public. If you keep talking to people like this, i.e., "dog and master", I'll make you my bitch, and that's a promise. If you don't like my words, you know where to find me. Peace. you see, you don't want to be called in this way. so stop also calling morons, stupid. etccc. Quote Link to comment
devlin_acura Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 respect other opinions na lang. we could share new things to each other.this thread should be informative for beginners and experts. sana wala mag-react dito sa post ko kasi ayoko makipagtalo. =)im just bothered on how this thread is losing its original intentions. Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Actually, respect is integral here... problem is also is that some people cannot take criticism well especially if they are so convinced otherwise (im sometimes guilty of this...) But this is a Model Body thread... not a pataasan ng ihi thread... Im gaining weight fast in preparation for my before and after transformation... by next week, ill post some before pics then after 8 weeks, ill post some after weeks... will try to do them programs stated here.. EG, OLYMPUS, where should i start? These are my vital stats for reference so that you can have a clearer picture to give me slightly more specific programs: 28 years old5'8208 poundsslight left shoulder injuryminor back pains pervertaside from that, no other known illnesses Work out history: been working out on and off for 5 years now...max bench at one point was 286 pounds at 3 reps w/o assistancemax squat at one point was about 350 pounds with extreme difficultymax leg press at one point was 460 pounds with my ears ringing profuselymax shoulder press at one point was 160 pounds (80 per arm) present condition: still a bit strong but took an almost 3 to 4 week rest from working outweak at the cardiocurrent activities - equestriantime to spare per day - not more than an hour and a half (work is s@%t heavy nowadays)body fat percentage is most likely very high now probably in the low twenty's Goal: 1.) weight loss down to 1802.) visible abdominals3.) stronger cardio4.) modelesque physique (i know i can achieve this... genetics wise...) so, well? your inputs will be most welcome. Please take note that i do have ample experience so Im confident that the probability of me hurting myself should be relatively low given that the program that you will give does not require a spotter or assistance... But if need be, i should be able to drag a buddy along.. Quote Link to comment
dj25 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 actually, this is a good thread, you can see here different principles and theories practice by someone engage in fitness. however, my only point is that no one should manipulate this thread just because they have an extensive years of experience. everybody should be welcome to post their experiences here and not be criticized. if they want to criticize it, do it in constructively. i think this is the intention of this thread. do not generalize the title of the thread since this is really a general topic coz if we stick in this topic, this thread has been long dead. here is a question that i want to raise and hopefully you will answer it intelligently. what is the difference of close bench press to open bench press? Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 dj25, If you scroll back the threads, I posted the link to the tabata method and an FAQ to HIIT.. all you have to do is click the ink and read. If you read it there, you will fully be aware how some coaches tell it. Its not in chart form so you really have to lead. Now, if you think I am the "dog" of EG, you are definitely wrong. I may work for him on a part time basis, but we consider each other as colleagues and we respect each others opinions. There ar some areas of training he knows a lot more than I do and there are some areas I know more than you do. If you still wanna call me names, then perhaps its time we put up or shut up Quote Link to comment
Wyld Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 I CAN SEE THERE IS FIGHTING ON THIS THREAD AGAIN. WONT YOU ALL EVER STOP? Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 actually, this is a good thread, you can see here different principles and theories practice by someone engage in fitness. however, my only point is that no one should manipulate this thread just because they have an extensive years of experience. everybody should be welcome to post their experiences here and not be criticized. if they want to criticize it, do it in constructively. i think this is the intention of this thread. do not generalize the title of the thread since this is really a general topic coz if we stick in this topic, this thread has been long dead. here is a question that i want to raise and hopefully you will answer it intelligently. what is the difference of close bench press to open bench press? If you're talking about grip width, the narrower grip brings the triceps more into play while a wider grip tends to bring the delts more into play. Quote Link to comment
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