Build A Model Body!

[Olympus]

I'm a research analyst by profession, strengh coach by affiliation... and our motto is always quality over quantity.

 

Again, let the buyer beware, a big organization does not always mean its a good organization. There are also a few exceptions. I have been around several gyms in my lifetime, and only a few people from the AFPP have rally impressed me. Mot of them don't even recognize their certification with the AFPP anymore, which makes me wonder why? I guess its because of the quality the AFPP has produced lately.

 

Most of the guys I talked to say that ESA is a better choice since its not all theory, but they also consider experience a crucial part of certification. A person can attend several seminars and then claim to be a fitness teacher, yt can hardly explain and properly teach several theories

[BEaST-RiPPed]

In some other light regarding theories vs. experiences, let me tell you a personal story. When I graduated from college as ECE, getting a license from PRC is all I ever wanted, with it I would be called, "Engineer". I strongly used to believe that having this 3 x 5 cm card would give me an instant access pass to these high end companies in in the field of Electronics and Communications and I would earn a big salary especially if I have a high percentage mark...

 

But years passed, after applying in many many companies, after many discouragement and frustations, I admitted that experience is what really matters... in job interviews I am often asked if I have experience in something like this or that... but what experience do i have? all i have is my diploma and my PRC card and all what my teachers taught me in college.

 

so I re evaluated myself and try to discover what i really want and what i have done so far... since I like programming so I decided to apply at IT companies and after just a few months of applying, I got this new job... not because I have a PRC card to prove but because i just told them that i have this experience, not really academic in nature, but out of a hobby, that i did this simple software and it works like this and that i'm really glad that it helped our small business ... and i think that made me land in the job... in conclusion, theories might be initially important but it's the application brought by continous successes in experience is what matters most.

 

so i leave the choice to you: would you submit to people who have experience or to those people who only know theories? the ball is passed on you. you make a choice.

 

 

pre, naiyak ako dun pero TAMA ka! :cool:

 

 

You are right about those other professional licenses...since only 1 exists. For PT certifications, there is at LEAST 10...and the one that is prominant here (ACE) is a front for Nautilus. A big corporation/machine company has completely bamboozled most of the Filipino trainers and you are not even aware that you bought off on it.

 

First of all Gold's Gym Alabang is not exactly a "Mecca" for results. It's as I've always said, "perception" of greatness, even if non-existant, is how large fitness franchises survive. Well, you need to judge more on the success of the business. When the rent is millions per month and the membership revenue is just a couple hundred thousand, you tell me how long you think their certifications will keep their doors open.

I can't believe you said "gained respect from their caucasion clients"....so fooling "whitey" is the name of the game? Olympus knows exactly how hard I'm laughing right now.

 

Couldn't it be that white people respect people who produce results just as much as any other human being on the face of this planet?

 

Andrean, again, let me explain my whole purpose of riding you and attempting to shake you up: I'M TRYING TO OPEN YOUR EYES. I'm trying to teach you to think critically and not be fooled by a bunch of fancy letters behind a name. THAT IS EXACTLY HOW FRAUDS WILL CHEAT YOU.

 

If you are in ANY industry, you need to look at success and a positive track record. When I talked to many clients of all of the gyms in which I've trained, I've either spoken to or witnessed the trainees of these ACE trainers. Let me be very clear when I say NO RESULTS...at least visible ones. And those to whom I spoke told me it's "not worth it" to hire a trainer since they saw no change.

 

And this is why the industry is suffering. I've said it a thousand times before: I want other gyms to have smart trainers and happy members. I don't care if they are located a block away from Eclipse. If everyone is HAPPY, then ALL gyms will have more members than they know what to do with. EVERYONE WINS.

 

But they way it's set up now, we have so many people who have not the slightest idea, PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE, in how to produce significant and long-term results. What's worse is that so many trainers have that "If you don't hire me, I won't even speak to you" kind of attitude.

 

I don't blame the trainers. I blame the gym managers and the certification programs. They brainwash everyone into thinking that if you are not training with the new shiny $10,000 leg press from Nautilus, you are just wasting your time, and those who do train with Nautilus have Sh*t that doesn't stink.

 

The only sh*t, in fact, is the leg press by Nautilus that trainers line their clients up for since they have no idea how to teach a proper squat (or its many variations)...or they brainwash their clients into thinking squats are dangerous because their ACE certification seminar "said so", with no evidence/research to back up those claims.

 

You have both sides giving you advice. We give it to you and are pleading with you to listen. The other side makes you pay for it. Sometimes the best things in life are free, since everybody wins when you listen and grow from it.

 

yehey! EG ur da man!!! :thumbsupsmiley:

 

 

Here is a challenge[/b] to everyone.

 

If you claim na talagang magaling kayo at marami kayong naging client. Why not enroll sa AFPP and challenge ms. Shirley. Kung talagang nageearn kayo ng thousands of pesos a month then 6k of 3months training would be no sweat to you.

 

AFFP is a group of professionals. Some of us are UP Diliman Deans, some were former Mr. Philippines, some were Philippines Coaches of different sports. We also have licensed Pts, Registered Nurses, Licensed Engrs, etc. We have successfull Gym owner with model clients.

 

I guess we have nothing else to prove. By the way the AFPP representatives just arrived from Hongkong. They attended the Hong Kong Fitness Convention.

 

 

 

tama na yan, inuman nlng...

 

:hypocritesmiley: :hypocritesmiley: :hypocritesmiley:

 

P.E.A.C.E.!!!

[Eclipseguy]

Here is a challenge to everyone.

 

If you claim na talagang magaling kayo at marami kayong naging client. Why not enroll sa AFPP and challenge ms. Shirley. Kung talagang nageearn kayo ng thousands of pesos a month then 6k of 3months training would be no sweat to you.

 

AFFP is a group of professionals. Some of us are UP Diliman Deans, some were former Mr. Philippines, some were Philippines Coaches of different sports. We also have licensed Pts, Registered Nurses, Licensed Engrs, etc. We have successfull Gym owner with model clients.

 

I guess we have nothing else to prove. By the way the AFPP representatives just arrived from Hongkong. They attended the Hong Kong Fitness Convention.

 

Excuse me while I scream with laughter at your challenge.

 

Ahem...ok I'm done

 

Let's see...former Mr. Philippines...steroids, steroids, and more steroids.

 

I don't need to challenge Ms. Shirley. My girls have already "Eclipsed" her old powerlifting record. He record stood at a time when powerlifting "records" were a warm-up weight for my girls after now 3 months of training. Who has she trained, and WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HER CLIENTS BEFORE AND AFTER?

 

Also what do I have to challenge her on? You are her product and you have no idea what you are talking about. My interns, after just a few days know more than you do.

 

Philippines sports coaches you say? So how come so many athletes of many of these current and former coaches tell me the extent of these coaches teaching with respect to the gym was "Guys, you have two hours to use the weight room....go to it!"

 

Model clients? LET ME REPEAT MYSELF "The gym in which you are doing your OJT, is a HAVEN for steroid users." This comes from TWO of your former members who said the training that happens in your gym is a joke and none of you have a clue what you are doing. Don't k*ll the messenger. My informant knows you personally and says that you are a skinny kid with a big ego.

 

Let me make myself clear, kid: WHEN ECLIPSE HAS 10 GYMS (it has 2 now) WE WILL, AS WE DO NOW, DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE AFPP.

 

Why the hell would I waste my time on these people when I'm the one who makes the rules? None of your AFPP chronies are allowed to work directly for Eclipse. How clear can I be? We, the gyms, MAKE THE RULES. NOT the AFPP.

 

Like I said, all of the mainstream magazines come to ME and my trainers for consulting. THEY DO NOT go to the AFPP.

 

Go away little boy....your ignorance (actually now I consider you STUPID since your head is a solid block sound-proof marble) is astounding. You do the education system of the nation very proud indeed.

 

As I always say, "ignorance is fixable, STUPIDITY IS TERMINAL!!!"

 

Get a CSCS or be like every other drug-dealing or useless PT out there who is killing our industry. You won't work in any of our clubs.

[Eclipseguy]

I just need to add something:

 

Hong Kong is not exactly a fitness "Mecca".

 

So Andrean....you are saying that a weekend in Hong Kong makes SQ more experienced that I am, when I spent a total of 10 years training with some of the greatest athletes in the world in Chicago, Columbus, and Texas? If you have any idea of the fitness industry, you'd know that Illinois, Ohio, and Texas are the "triangle of power" where most of the Western sports and conditioning developments are founded.

 

Like I said...we make the rules, you just stumble around and blindly go with the herd. Just make sure your cows give milk instead of milk you for your hard-earned money.

[Olympus]

Side anecdote...

 

I used to think that a certain training system was really great. I even took the Nautilus certification seminar and smoked it. Thinking I knew a lot then at a young age of 23, I never even realized that I as hindering my full potential.

 

by 2003, I was starting to read articles from a certain club in Colombus, Ohio and it opened my eyes that you need to be pushing heavy weight and not just pumping your muscles with 8-2 rep set or sets.

 

2004. I learned that the more time spent under the bar for squats would equate to a bigger physique overall, I spend more timer under the bar and started training like a powerlifter. That same year I managed to pull 315 on the deadlift fr the first time in my life.

 

2005. I also ralized that there are many methods as well. The main objective is that YOU PRODUCE RESULTS. being a big martial arts fanatic, i put Bruce Lee's "Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what i specifically your own" as my training motto. I constantly looked for new methods to train people of various shapes and sizes and conditions to make them achieve their goals.

 

2006. I discovered crossfit. Saw that this system is also great since it fouses on total development. Best for athletes. I also joined the eclipse bandwagon.

 

Up to date, i've already broken most of my personal best records in lifting and am in the best condition I have ever been. I've also managed to train some clients who have or are very close to thier goals since they consistently did their part of showing up and I did my part of training them. None of them have perfect physique but they have gone a long way from where they started.

 

moral of the story, never stop learning. The big problem with many people here in the fitness industry locally think that a certificate or affiliation with a club makes you an expert in training. Ladie and gentlemen, that is not the case. I can point you out to several trainers i have met and all of them are certified both locally and internationally, yet they can barely produce results for clients, if any, the results are very microscopic.

 

As one internatonally recognized trainer would say, at the end of the day, what matters is that you are able to produce results.

[JesusFreak!]

Yup, I know it's OT but I'm just sharing an analogy of what we're discussing here... Anyway if you believe that MAPUA can help you get the job for you then it's okay... as i have said before swerte mo nga MAPUA ka kasi you have lots of connections... the big bosses in semiconductor industries are MAPUA alumni, which is sometimes to my dismay would only hire MAPUA graduates... ... biases which I humorously call, "academic nepotism"... sorry... but that is the real world out here in the industry... anyway ... pass your CCNA and you'll be good to go.

 

 

Hmm ser medyo OT tayo.

 

But according to my Dad and profs we nid the License for promotions etc. Sympre mas pipiliin ng mga company yung mga licensed na.

 

About sa experiences, Mapua is trying to fix that for us. They are focusing us on our specialization namely Communications, Microelectronics, Cisco at Automation. Sila na rin ang namimili ng company na papasukan namin for OJT to make sure na magamit yung specialization namin. Napunta ako sa PLDT at talagang trabaho ang pinagawa sa kin. Nung nainterview ako sinabi na kapag naipasa ko na yung CCNA ko they would absorb me.

 

Si sir Febus he introduced Biotronics to us. Yon yung Engrng for people who have a degree in Electronics/or anything in equivalent at Medicine/ or anything na equivalent. Sa US po yon and they would train you.

[JesusFreak!]

pre, naiyak ako dun pero TAMA ka! :cool:

 

aw, shut up... nyway... pag igihan mo na lang training mo... at wag iinom

[Equus]

my my my... i was away for awhile and this is what you children have been up to? hmmmm... bad boys... bad... hehehehehehehhehehe

 

I loved every single letter of that read... very good input from EG (a little aggressive though and sometimes downright offensive... LUVEET!!!) but nevertheless it has been a very educatin read for me..

 

I dont totally believe everything that EG says but that more of my fault cause i have not found the time to investigate him and his gym for myself.. with my own eyes... i still look forward to the day that i do get to meet you guys. hehehehehehhe... you guys seems soo... animated..

 

In any case I think that maybe we can consider that one of the reasons that we have s@%t trainers is maybe because we also have s@%t clients... There are a lot of people out there who are looking for the quick fix and even more people who are willing to sell it to them...

[Eclipseguy]

my my my... i was away for awhile and this is what you children have been up to? hmmmm... bad boys... bad... hehehehehehehhehehe

 

I loved every single letter of that read... very good input from EG (a little aggressive though and sometimes downright offensive... LUVEET!!!) but nevertheless it has been a very educatin read for me..

 

I dont totally believe everything that EG says but that more of my fault cause i have not found the time to investigate him and his gym for myself.. with my own eyes... i still look forward to the day that i do get to meet you guys. hehehehehehhe... you guys seems soo... animated..

 

In any case I think that maybe we can consider that one of the reasons that we have s@%t trainers is maybe because we also have s@%t clients... There are a lot of people out there who are looking for the quick fix and even more people who are willing to sell it to them...

 

 

Olympus was skeptical himself of me at first since he was first exposed to me online as well...but as you can see he is now one of my Generals in our war against the status-quo. It's good to be skeptical. Skepticism is what is so severly lacking by most people in this industry. Too bad more people (especially on this thread) are not skeptical of big-business fitness like ACE and Nautilus. Sometimes letting go of their misconceptions and starting over are the hardest thing for someone to do.

 

That said, to quote a Borg quote from Star Trek, "Resistance.... (to the Eclipse system) is futile."

[Equus]

dang EG... i know its far off but your confidence in the subject matter is just begging for someone to shoot you down... wish i can, but you are still convincing... a bit... so will have to pss that up for now... In any case, Again id like to re-iterate, for all you other readers out there... don't take our word for it.. seriously.. get off your asses and see for yourself who's right or wrong... For all we know the whole lot of us are just fat pompus asses who are good with word play and even better at sarcastic snide remarks.. Try it out for yourselves and see which system is better for you... my word of advice is to always listen to your body... it knows best... thing is you need to know what to listen for..

[Eclipseguy]

dang EG... i know its far off but your confidence in the subject matter is just begging for someone to shoot you down... wish i can, but you are still convincing... a bit... so will have to pss that up for now... In any case, Again id like to re-iterate, for all you other readers out there... don't take our word for it.. seriously.. get off your asses and see for yourself who's right or wrong... For all we know the whole lot of us are just fat pompus asses who are good with word play and even better at sarcastic snide remarks.. Try it out for yourselves and see which system is better for you... my word of advice is to always listen to your body... it knows best... thing is you need to know what to listen for..

 

I'd love the challenge...and we both can only be made better by constructive and intelligent debate. Fire away

[dj25]

Well I hope you are not referring to Olympus or myself since we've never failed to produce results for anyone who deals with us personally and consistantly for at least 4-5 weeks. We even give refunds if anyone fails....and we've never had to do so. Don't dig up the whole misunderstanding about the symantics/terminology of a "genetic anomoly" (not abnormality.

You of all people are the last people to be talking about accepting programs that work or may not work, since you've already admitted that you've never produced results for anyone...especially significant results...so I don't appreciate your snide (weak) attempt at sarcasm. The problem is that people try to take our advice from what they read from on the boards instead of getting off their butts and visiting us in person and sticking with our training IN PERSON. If they can't produce the same results, it's because EXPERIENCE (in person so we can critique mistakes) is what makes us veteran coaches. This is the point. If someone fails, it's often because they don't know how to interpret what they read into a tailor-fit program for their individual strengths and weaknesses. Theory is just theory. Practice is something completely different from theory.

 

Well, well, this is really a good debate and i'm really impressed in everything that i've read here. theories, theories, principles, and more principles etc..etc.. do you mean to say you disregard these theories and principles? how come one of the program in your gym is TABATA and HIIT methods as olympus has said? don't you know that these are also theories and principles? i know that experience plays a major role in fitness but you still base your programs to these theories and principles. Anomaly - according to webster something anomalous : something different, abnormal, peculiar, or not easily classified. anomaly and abnormality are just synonymous. i admitted that i've never produce result because i don't train them personally. i only give them advice and i don't even work in a gym. i'm just a regular gym goer and i think this is just logic. what you post here are also based on theories and principles. so i guess it's not right to tell us that theories are theories since you also practice this theories. unless, you created them out of nowhere or you should simply write a book about it "ECLIPSE PRINCIPLES" :goatee: :goatee:

 

Now you need to eliminate how many steroid users are in that group of individuals. According to a few of their former members who are now with us, that gym is juiced to the gills. A licensed nurse or PT education has NOTHING to do with the FITNESS INDUSTRY! Many individuals from those gyms applied with me and I rejected them or told them they could only freelance since they didn't know how to train on our level. Ask Olympus...he's one of the few freelancers who has the education and experience to make the cut. Now do you understand why he and I agree? Because he is on my level. Why do you think MetroHim, Men's Health, MetroActive, and now Maxim come to either myself, Coach Carlo, or Olympus for fitness consulting, and not all of those people that you listed above with their useless "credentials"? Could it be because we are DIFFERENT FROM THEM? What is wrong with you?!? Again, kid, think critically. Just because a bunch of sheep jump off a bridge, does that mean you'll jump too? Be a good little sheep now...be sure to produce enough wool for your master....Baaaa baaa baaa....

 

you really have a grudge in the medical profession. i don't blame you, you have a bad experience afterall. being a PT, i don't say that we are superior in terms of fitness if you don't have any experience at all. however, we have an edge to some trainers since we know anatomy, physiology, kinesiology and etc. again you would tell me that these are all theories and experience still is vital. i know that, but still we have basis for our actions. when you say body building, you should know the muscles in you body, their actions, and how they respond to external stimuli. i guess, if we debate this personally, i might have an edge over you. however, this is just speculation and don't take this as i'm questioning your brain capacity. however, do not judge us also since some trainers mentioned by adrean have been in this industry for some years and it's really rude to say that they are not qualified.

 

Why, oh WHY do people think that PT or Nursing students have an education that has ANYTHING to do with FITNESS or a related field? C'mon eveyone (who believes this "only in the Philippines" concept), wake up! Most of these people can't get a good job in HEALTH CARE, so somewhere, somehow, some doofus decided that these individuals were good to hire in a fitness environment. Again, their education has NOTHING to do with FITNESS and a GYMNASIUM ENVIRONMENT. PT's and Nurses belong in a HOSPITAL or REHAB CLINIC with SICK PEOPLE or SPECIAL POPULATIONS. Why is such a simple concept so hard to accept or understand? Is this lack of understanding reflect the state of our local education system? I know classrooms are overcrowded and underfunded, but...sheesh...it's getting rediculous...

 

well, i already answered your debatable question here. fitness as merriam webster define as a qualifty of being fit. this is different from an athlete. you might have produced athlete in your gym but not all gym goers wants to be an athlete some theme likes to be physically fit. and as you said, some of your members were formerly enrolled to other gyms, that means you only enhance them so don't give the full credit to you since they already have some improvements before they went to your gym.

[Eclipseguy]

Well, well, this is really a good debate and i'm really impressed in everything that i've read here. theories, theories, principles, and more principles etc..etc.. do you mean to say you disregard these theories and principles? how come one of the program in your gym is TABATA and HIIT methods as olympus has said? don't you know that these are also theories and principles? i know that experience plays a major role in fitness but you still base your programs to these theories and principles. Anomaly - according to webster something anomalous : something different, abnormal, peculiar, or not easily classified. anomaly and abnormality are just synonymous. i admitted that i've never produce result because i don't train them personally. i only give them advice and i don't even work in a gym. i'm just a regular gym goer and i think this is just logic. what you post here are also based on theories and principles. so i guess it's not right to tell us that theories are theories since you also practice this theories. unless, you created them out of nowhere or you should simply write a book about it "ECLIPSE PRINCIPLES" :goatee: :goatee:

you really have a grudge in the medical profession. i don't blame you, you have a bad experience afterall. being a PT, i don't say that we are superior in terms of fitness if you don't have any experience at all. however, we have an edge to some trainers since we know anatomy, physiology, kinesiology and etc. again you would tell me that these are all theories and experience still is vital. i know that, but still we have basis for our actions. when you say body building, you should know the muscles in you body, their actions, and how they respond to external stimuli. i guess, if we debate this personally, i might have an edge over you. however, this is just speculation and don't take this as i'm questioning your brain capacity. however, do not judge us also since some trainers mentioned by adrean have been in this industry for some years and it's really rude to say that they are not qualified.

well, i already answered your debatable question here. fitness as merriam webster define as a qualifty of being fit. this is different from an athlete. you might have produced athlete in your gym but not all gym goers wants to be an athlete some theme likes to be physically fit. and as you said, some of your members were formerly enrolled to other gyms, that means you only enhance them so don't give the full credit to you since they already have some improvements before they went to your gym.

 

 

Uh...again, people come to me (us) when nothing has worked for them before. Tabata and HIIT are only a few of many principles we follow. They are components of a much larger SYSTEM of training. I disregard the theories and principles that don't work for 99% of the population or are bastardized in a way that they are not recognizable when the AFPP spawned trainers puts them into practice. I was a biochemistry researcher, I took many, if not all of those courses, so lets not count beans as to who knows more about textbook topics and prowess of terminology. The point is that just because you can identify a muscle or know how it moves doesn't mean that you know the theory behind athletic training and can APPLY it to the real world...especially if you don't have experience with people of all levels.

 

I'm going to make something completely clear. I spanked one of the AFPP chairman on this point in the past in a debate on another forum: Most people DO NOT KNOW what they want to achieve when they go to the gym. Once they've achieved something significant, they want more, and more...AND MORE. Those who say that most people want to be generally fit are only making a pass for themselves when they can't produce results. If you cannot train at a high level, regardless of what the perception of "want" is, you should not be a trainer or coach. It is your job to want bigger and better things from your clients. If you shoot for the moon, hitting the statusphere isn't too bad. The problem, again, is that most trainers settle for "generally fit" while most people, especially Filipinos, are too modest to admit that they want to have a body like Brad Pitt or Jennifer Garner without steroids. Who in the world (general population) wouldn't want to look like those two? I've never met anyone without that secret desire other than hardcore bodybuilders.

 

Besides, getting someone past a plateau is the hardest part of being a coach. That is my specialty, and that's where I prefer to take my credit. Let the hacks train someone while they are new where it requires no knowledge or experience. Chopping wood or throwing rocks around your back yard will get them results. If that's where you shine, then more power to you. Just don't continue to teach people in the wrong way, where I have to pull my hair out having to make them unlearn all of the lies that are perpetuated by basically everyone in this industry (especially locally) with only a few exceptions.

 

As for writing a book...in due time, since we already have a couple of publishers who've asked me about that. I'm up to my ears writing for 4 local magazines and answering all of the questions online.

[JesusFreak!]

OT - Yup but you MAPUAns are one step ahead of the rest but I have to admit magagaling ang mga MAPUA sa technical.. roommate ko dati na katrabaho ko sa Texas Instruments taga-MAPUA.. idol. ang galing sa theories and concepts ng electrical circuitries, etc... pero anyway, mabuhay ang lahat ng ECE... ny name and by heart.

 

Ngek swerte? Mybe. pero madami pa rin ka kumpetensya kuya.

 

Kahit anong tulong ng Mapua, nasa amin pa ron yon.....

 

Gudluck na lang sa lahat ng ECE...

[JesusFreak!]

Damn true, I'm often asked when I enrol in some gym what goals do I want to achieve... I would just say that yeah, I just want to lose weight and reach my ideal weight no more no less... but secretly inside, my heart screams I wanna be like that guy on the cover of Men's Health... I admit that right now, what I look like now is way too far than I imagine what I want to really look like... and I'll do whatever it takes in a healthy way to achieve it... I'm going insane thinking about it, and even in my dreams it haunts me. (It's true) I even consulted a shrink cause I think I'm going crazy :boo: just joking.

 

The problem, again, is that most trainers settle for "generally fit" while most people, especially Filipinos, are too modest to admit that they want to have a body like Brad Pitt or Jennifer Garner without steroids. Who in the world (general population) wouldn't want to look like those two? I've never met anyone without that secret desire other than hardcore bodybuilders.