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[SMACKDOWN]

balita ko mas stable daw ang mac sa pc

 

yeah dat's true at walang mga virus virus, d kagaya ng pc, bumabaha ng virus!!!

[koopahl]

this one just in from MacWorld...very good read...very informative...very interesting

 

Hands On: Running Vista Home on a Mac

In spite of what its license says, you can run Vista Home via virtualization apps

 

By Christopher Breen

 

If you care about running Windows on a Mac, you’ve undoubtedly heard that the end user license agreement (EULA) for Windows Vista Home Basic and Home Premium forbids you to use these versions of Microsoft’s latest operating system release with virtualization software—software that allows you to run operating systems other than the Mac OS in a windowed environment within the Mac OS. Such virtualization software includes the popular Parallels Desktop for Mac. What the reports on this matter don’t reveal is whether this is simply a legal restriction or also a technical one.

 

I hoped to have the answer. And then, last night, it came to me in a dream.

The dreaming

 

In that dream, the boss OK’d the purchase of Windows Vista Home Premium for the purposes of testing its effectiveness when run both in Apple’s Boot Camp and in the latest beta (3150) of Parallels Desktop for Mac. It wasn’t an entirely happy dream.

 

For example, early in the proceedings (in the dream, may I remind you) I floated over to the local Costco to purchase said OS. Regrettably, Costco offered only the $159 upgrade version—one that required a valid key from a version of Windows XP Home Edition. In both my dream and real life I have a copy of XP Professional, and you can’t upgrade from XP Pro to Vista Home. The upgrade path from XP Pro is to Vista Business or Vista Ultra, both of which have been granted virtualization privileges by Microsoft.

 

So off I drifted to the local Staples, which sells the full version of Vista Home Premium for exactly one arm and one leg. (More precisely, the list price for the full version is $239.) To get a better sense of what Vista under Parallels could do, I also purchased an upgrade version of Office Standard 2007, as I had the previous Office XP Standard. (Good thing this is a dream, eh boss? I might have forgotten to mention that in the original expense request.)

Vista and Boot Camp

 

To get a sense of what Vista could do on a Mac without virtualization software, I installed the latest beta of Apple’s Boot Camp on my 2.66GHz Mac Pro with 2GB of RAM and an ATI Radeon X1900 graphics card with 512MB of RAM. I then created a Mac Drivers CD, and proceeded to install Windows Vista Home Premium and Office 2007 under Boot Camp. Everything went swimmingly until I attempted to install the Mac Drivers CD. Part way through the installation I saw this:

 

Error -1603 Fatal Error During Installation Consult Windows Installer Help (Msi.chm) or MSDXJ for More Information.

 

Although my dream-self understood there were ways to manually install these Mac drivers, I had bigger fish to fry and so let it wait for another time.

 

Under Boot Camp on my Mac Pro, Vista and Office 2007 performed nicely. Vista’s three-vowels-and-a-consonant-just-like-Aqua-transparency-effect—otherwise known as Aero—was in evidence. Right-click on my Microsoft mouse worked as it should, Vista recognized my AirPort network, and my HP LaserJet 1300n printer appeared when I attempted to print a Word document. The Windows version of QuickTime 7 installed properly and played back a movie preview I accessed from Apple’s QuickTime site. Windows Media Player was able to rip an audio CD and play back the resulting files reasonably well (though there was occasional stuttering when the Mac’s processor was taxed). All in all, I felt like I was running a living and breathing (and fast) PC.

Living in a Parallels world

 

One reason my dream-self initially installed Vista under Boot Camp was so I could employ the Parallels beta’s ability to use a Boot Camp installation rather than requiring its own installation of Windows. Regrettably, this was a non-starter. Even though I added the Boot Camp volume as a hard drive within Parallels, attempting to create a new virtual machine based on Boot Camp failed. If I told Boot Camp that I was attempting to use the Vista OS, the Boot Camp option was grayed out. If I told it I was trying to install XP from my Boot Camp volume, the Boot Camp option became active, but the installation couldn’t proceed.

 

That left installing Vista Home Premium directly into Parallels—the thing that the Vista Home EULA forbids. While my dream didn’t exactly turn to nightmare at this point, it certainly had its scary moments.

 

Cutting briefly to the chase, Vista Home Premium installed perfectly well. Once it was up and running I noticed that the Aero effect was nowhere to be seen—Parallels simply couldn’t emulate the kind of graphic card/power necessary to make it work. I then asked Vista to install the latest Vista updates—something I understood to be a problem for others who tried it.

 

Vista Home Premium running on a Mac via the latest Parallels Desktop beta

 

No problem. Vista downloaded the updates, installed them, I restarted, and everything continued to work. The Office install also proceeded according to plan—I first installed Office XP Standard so the upgrade would see that I had a legit copy of Office and then installed the Office Standard 2007 upgrade. I launched the various Office applications and they worked. Performance wasn’t nearly up to that of running Vista and Office under Boot Camp, but it was no worse than working with a Mac-native version of Office on, say, a late-model iBook.

 

Where things began to break down was with media files. I ripped that same audio CD in Windows Media Player as a 192kbps MP3 file and playback was dreadful—the tracks played slowly and stuttered constantly. I tested some of the audio tracks bundled with Vista and they exhibited the same problem. Shutting down Vista and bumping up the amount of memory allotted to Vista within Parallels (1.5GB) didn’t help.

Wide awake

 

I rose this morning with a mixed feeling of elation and disappointment. I like having Windows on my Mac. It’s useful for running the latest version of Office, and I do a moderate measure of cross-platform audio and media work where quickly moving between the Mac OS and Windows is handy. I’m elated because—at least according to my dream—Windows Home Premium does run acceptably under Parallels as does the latest version of Office, despite what the EULA may hint. But I’m disappointed that it doesn’t run as well as XP.

 

Happily, nothing in the EULA forbids me from running Vista under Boot Camp. As far as Vista and Microsoft are concerned, a Mac running Boot Camp is just another PC. But Boot Camp isn’t convenient for quickly moving files between operating systems. My hope is that Microsoft will back off from its EULA when it understands that one sale of an almost-affordable version of Vista is better than no sales of the “Wait, you want how much for this!?” spread. At the same time, I pray that Parallels will continue to explore ways to make Vista perform as well as possible in virtualization.

 

Then again, maybe I’m dreaming.

 

[senior Editor Christopher Breen dispenses troubleshooting tips in the Mac 911 Weblog and offers iPod-related commentary in the iPod Blog.]

 

:thumbsupsmiley:

[rudepnoy4]

guys, help naman... can i remove Mac OS X from my MacBook Pro and install Windows XP?

 

not dual OS ha... as in windows lang.

 

thanks.

not sure but i think you download the mac bootcamp so you can install the xp then you just pick which system you want to use during the start up hope this helps

[TheGeneral]

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Reply:

 

I could only speculate but I guess he's having a hard time looking for Mac-compatible applications, softwares and the like. I hate to admit this but there are certain Windows-based applications that don't have any equivalent in the Mac, and he probably needs them badly for work.

 

 

yes, thanks for the insight. you're right. it's true that i had a hard time looking for applications for mac which i need for work. i even tried using Crossover application but some application don't run right. i managed to get the applications I needed already. although i might say, i think the applications aren't running at the speed i expected them to be when running on windows.

 

one more thing, my ms office for mac always shows an error box saying "error connecting to microsoft framework library" in opening any of the ms office applications. likewise, ms office runs slower than expected. i'm using a MacBook Pro... it should be fast enough... but i believe it isn't. maybe any of you nice guys can help me...

[TheGeneral]

Shift back to Windows only on MAC????

 

TheGeneral is it right for me to think that you are unhappy to be running on MAC OS X?

 

Am curious to know why SIR?

 

it's not that i'm unhappy. i love my mac! it's just that i was having a hard time looking for and running some applications i need for work.

 

i was invited at the windows vista launching 2 weeks ago (if i remember it right) and i could see the "hype" microsoft wanted to create. but you know what... most of the features vista boasts are already in the mac os years ago! also, the downside is you need at least 1GB memory to run it... poor 512mb laptop users... :thumbsdownsmiley: ... and worse, those who know IT knows it well.

[victorlovin]

I am a very happy Mac user.

 

PowerBook

Mac mini

[koopahl]

now that i have the iMac G5...just got a

Mac mini as our internet server at home...

 

[TheGeneral]

it's ok... i solved my office:mac problem. all i needed was an update.

[koopahl]

it's ok... i solved my office:mac problem. all i needed was an update.

 

that's true...available ang office for mac update at the apple site

or at macworld...

[TheGeneral]

that's true...available ang office for mac update at the apple site

or at macworld...

 

 

yeah, i was too damn frustrated i was looking for glitches and flaws when in fact the solution for my problem is just a click away. <_<

[johnwildcat]

I bought an iMac and looking for Mac Guru, please PM your contact number.

[calistoga]

it's not that i'm unhappy. i love my mac! it's just that i was having a hard time looking for and running some applications i need for work.

 

i was invited at the windows vista launching 2 weeks ago (if i remember it right) and i could see the "hype" microsoft wanted to create. but you know what... most of the features vista boasts are already in the mac os years ago! also, the downside is you need at least 1GB memory to run it... poor 512mb laptop users... :thumbsdownsmiley: ... and worse, those who know IT knows it well.

 

 

ALL'S WELL THAT ENDS WELL! While it took some doing, the MAC experience si still on the BIG POSITIVE! I salute you THEGENERAL for your candidness and thank you for kibitzers like me to learn from your wit and experiences.

[koopahl]

i just joined the apple forums here... http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa

 

a good place to hang around and learn from the mistakes and problems of mac-users and the lessons taught by the Mac gurus and experts

 

:thumbsupsmiley:

Edited February 16, 2007 by koopahl

[wachamacalit666]

Wow.... dami pala user ng mac d2. ako din meron PBG4 12-inch and ipod video 60 GB.

Very sleek techno gadgets.

[TheGeneral]

i just joined the apple forums here... http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa

 

a good place to hang around and learn from the mistakes and problems of mac-users and the lessons taught by the Mac gurus and experts

 

:thumbsupsmiley:

 

 

cool. i'll check this out. i need a lot to learn with this OSX.