PacMan's Corner

[hardtohandle]

Bottomline is, we all want the same for Manny, and that is for him not to end up like some other bums

 

 

That is why I dont agree in comparing Pacquiao with Tyson. Lets not be very subjective. Because only time will tell if he will end up like Tyson or not and its not right to assume that he will become like Tyson if he will continue doing what he is doing now.

 

I, for one, dont agree with his nucturnal and restday activities, but who are we to meddle with his affairs? Sarili nyang

pera yung ginagastos nya unlike those politicians who rides on his coattails for all the world to see. At kung anuman ang

mangyari sa buhay nya pagkatapos ng boxing career nya, kung maghirap man sya o kaya ay mamatay, matutuwa ba tayo o maiiyak? Kaya ba natin syang sabihan ng harap-harapan ng "O anong napala mo? tatanga-tanga ka kasi eh", kaya ba nating sabihin yun sa kanya? (Siguradong Manila Ice ang matitikman ng magsasabi sa kanya nun).

 

My point is, buhay nya yun, kaya lang nalalagay sa balita yung mga pagsususugal nya at paggastos ng pera ay dahil public

figure sya, not to mention na isang athlete na dapat ay role model para sa kabataan. But the hell with them! They just dont

see that Manny, for one, is one of the most disciplined and dedicated boxer or athlete the Philippines has ever have whenever he is training, kaya nga hanggang ngayon ay nandyan pa rin siya eh, and half of his success should also be attributed to the people around him (ikumpara nyo nga ang career ni Manny sa career ng mga past champions ng Pilipinas with the exception of Flash Elorde).

 

Yes, we all want the best for Manny, pero hindi naman siguro masama kung pababayaan natin syang gawin yung mga bagay na ikinasasaya nya. So what if he is gambling and spending more than what we could ever imagine, the money that he is burning comes from his own blood, sweat and tears, he is only enjoying the fruits of his labor. At kahit naman siguro puro palabas ang pera nya, may pumapasok din naman kahit papaano... Uulitin ko lang, wala tayong pakialam sa perang ginagastos nya dahil hindi yun galing sa buwis na binabayad natin, galing yun sa pakikipagsuntukan nya.

 

Lets not be very subjective on things about Pacquiao, give the guy a break, di biro ang boxing... At kung mangyari man sa kanya ang nangyari kay Tyson at namatay syang dilat, sa tingin nyo ba pag tinanong na sya sa langit ng "Nag-enjoy ka ba?", "Hindi!" ba ang isasagot nya?

Edited October 26, 2007 by hardtohandle

[dragonei]

That is why I dont agree in comparing Pacquiao with Tyson. Lets not be very subjective. Because only time will tell if he will end up like Tyson or not and its not right to assume that he will become like Tyson if he will continue doing what he is doing now.

 

I, for one, dont agree with his nucturnal and restday activities, but who are we to meddle with his affairs? Sarili nyang

pera yung ginagastos nya unlike those politicians who rides on his coattails for all the world to see. At kung anuman ang

mangyari sa buhay nya pagkatapos ng boxing career nya, kung maghirap man sya o kaya ay mamatay, matutuwa ba tayo o maiiyak? Kaya ba natin syang sabihan ng harap-harapan ng "O anong napala mo? tatanga-tanga ka kasi eh", kaya ba nating sabihin yun sa kanya? (Siguradong Manila Ice ang matitikman ng magsasabi sa kanya nun).

 

My point is, buhay nya yun, kaya lang nalalagay sa balita yung mga pagsususugal nya at paggastos ng pera ay dahil public

figure sya, not to mention na isang athlete na dapat ay role model para sa kabataan. But the hell with them! They just dont

see that Manny, for one, is one of the most disciplined and dedicated boxer or athlete the Philippines has ever have whenever he is training, kaya nga hanggang ngayon ay nandyan pa rin siya eh, and half of his success should also be attributed to the people around him (ikumpara nyo nga ang career ni Manny sa career ng mga past champions ng Pilipinas with the exception of Flash Elorde).

 

Yes, we all want the best for Manny, pero hindi naman siguro masama kung pababayaan natin syang gawin yung mga bagay na ikinasasaya nya. So what if he is gambling and spending more than what we could ever imagine, the money that he is burning comes from his own blood, sweat and tears, he is only enjoying the fruits of his labor. At kahit naman siguro puro palabas ang pera nya, may pumapasok din naman kahit papaano... Uulitin ko lang, wala tayong pakialam sa perang ginagastos nya dahil hindi yun galing sa buwis na binabayad natin, galing yun sa pakikipagsuntukan nya.

 

Lets not be very subjective on things about Pacquiao, give the guy a break, di biro ang boxing... At kung mangyari man sa kanya ang nangyari kay Tyson at namatay syang dilat, sa tingin nyo ba pag tinanong na sya sa langit ng "Nag-enjoy ka ba?", "Hindi!" ba ang isasagot nya?

 

 

Well no body here is being subjective. I am not saying MP will SURELY end up like tyson. I am not saying na pareho sila ng ugali. What I am saying is that these are two people who benefited from the same profession but one ended up being sour. He COULD end up like this if he does not straigthen out his act. Or he could end up like Oscar de la Hoya who won 5 world titles and runs a sucessful boxing promotions. But I bet pag di nya din tinutukan investments nya malulugi at malulugi din siya.

 

Tama ka its discipline that gave him his success. But even Freddie Roach said that his extra curricular activities might cut him from his focus and make him loose his edge. The late night parties, politics and showbiz. Sabi pa nga niya di na rin siya nagtratraining kahit walang laban gaya ng dati. Sana lang hindi magpapatuloy ito. We just hope that he does not become overconfident with his skills because nobody stays at the top forever

 

Tama ka din na wala naman tayong magagawa, buhay nya yan. Sino ba naman tayo para pakingan nyan. Di naman natin dinidiktahan si manny kung pano patatakbuhin buhay nya dahil wala naman tayong karapatan gawin yun. Ito ay yung tinatawag na WISHFUL thinking. Coming from both a fan and a critic, sana matapos career ni MP ng maayos at di siya matulad sa iba. Wala ngang masama ng mag-enjoy siya, pero wala ding masama kung pakikingan nya mga kritiko nya. Not all critics are meant to assasinate ones character.

 

If his carreer ends up sour, well some of us in one way or the other will be disappointed. Pero siyempre hangang dun na lang yun. Untill this thread exists all we can do is agree to disagree.

 

In the end we all want whats best for this guy.

[bret_hart]

na kay manny na kung pano nya gagastusin ang pera nya.

 

pero mukha namang maayos ang pag-gastos nya sa pera nya as compared to Tyson...

[dragonei]

na kay manny na kung pano nya gagastusin ang pera nya.

 

pero mukha namang maayos ang pag-gastos nya sa pera nya as compared to Tyson...

 

Well at least mukha naman me values ito si Pacquiao kesa kay tyson. My only worry is that people around him are pouring poison in his ears. Like the time na inudyukan siya tumakbo for congressman. Napahiya lang siya, nalugi na, at pinagnakawan pa ng ilan sa mga campaign managers nya

 

Pero what the hell is he doing producing movies? Eh yung una nga nyang ginastusan nalugi na eh (The one with Jehrico Rosales to play him), ngayon pa kaya that he is in the staring role? Dapat nagtanda na siya doon.

 

Oh well only time will tell ika nga. Lets hope when it wont be too late to learn from mistakes

[edc]

Napanuod ko sa news.....nasa vigas si pacquiao....Naka-Segway ah

[dragonei]

sa Vigas? anu ginagawa nya dun?

[edc]

sa Vigas? anu ginagawa nya dun?

 

with Chavit Singson....."Adopted Child ng Vigan".......

 

Kasi dati adopted child daw sya ng manila nung nandun pa si atienza......nung wala na si atienza di ba dinedma nya si Mayor Lim.....nagalit mga manileno sabi eh manila naman pupuntahan mo eh hindi si lim....Sagot naman ni pacquiao eh adopted daw sya ni atienza hindi daw ng manila

 

Pero astig yung Segway nya.....ang mahal nun sa states.....Kung pwede nga lang magdala dito nun itago sa maleta para hindi ma-tax.....

[dragonei]

Baka gusto nya rin maging adopted son ng pampanga?

 

Anyway, I think its about time that he squares of with JMM. Tama na kasi ang mga pashowbiz na laban. MBB and EM were great mexican boxing legends, but arguably he fought them at the time when their boxing careers were already loosing its prime.

 

Its time for him to fight for a title. He has been the top contender for the wbc superfeather weight world title, and its about time that he works his butt off so that he could wear that belt on his weight.

 

I understand na hindi masyado kasi maganda pasok ng pera with a JMM fight, but I think his market value would increase once he is already wearing that belt. It would add up to the number of WBC world title that he has. Mas dadami ang magagandang laban sa kanya pag nag-world champion na siya uli

[boygenpact]

New golden era launched by Filipino featherweight superstar

By Conrad Cariño, Senior Desk Editor

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/n...071104top2.html

 

The birth of a golden era in a boxing division requires a three- or four-cornered fight, with the triumphant fighter gaining the right to be proclaimed the greatest boxer of the era—even if he is not from the heavyweight division.

 

Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier and George Foreman battled it out for supremacy in what is considered the most competitive era in the heavyweight division’s history. In the end, it was Ali who was proclaimed “The Greatest.”

 

In reality, Ali owed a lot to having Frazier and Foreman for his rivals. They were, like Ali, world champions and Olympic gold medalists.

 

After Ali’s heavyweight golden era, it was the turn of the welterweight-middleweight division to give boxing another golden era. It happened because four superstars—Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran and Marvin Hagler—vied to be No. 1.

 

No one ever expected that after the magnificence of Ali and Leonard, boxing’s next golden era would be launched in the featherweight-superfeatherweight division. Much less did anyone ever think a Filipino named Manny Pacquiao would emerge as the sport’s new supernova.

 

A phenomenon

 

Pacquiao’s bouts—whether with pugilists also of superstar status or with lesser lights—invariably dominate the box-office ticket sales and TV viewership. The praises he gets from critics and specialists are phenomenal, considering that he actually does not hold a world title belt from any of the ruling boxing organizations. His only title is that of World Boxing Council (WBC) international superfeatherweight champion.

 

Even without a world title, Pacquiao is the “universally recognized” superfeatherweight champion. This is a first in boxing history. The prestigious Ring Magazine for the longest time has been ranking him as the top boxer in his division.

 

Pacquiao’s popularity rose sharply after he defeated Lehlo Ledwaba in June 2001, to win the IBF superbantamweight championship. He went on to challenge Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales, the dominant figures in the division before the Filipino arrived.

 

Future hall of famers

 

Barrera has four titles in different divisions and his greatest fight was against featherweight champion Naseem Hamed, a flamboyant fighter who was actually a 3-1 favorite to win over the Mexican. Morales was also a champion in four divisions. Both fighters never suffered knock out losses before facing Pacquiao.

 

The three-cornered rivalry between Pacquiao, Barrera and Morales remarkably eclipsed the drama of what was happening in the welterweight-middleweight divisions. There, Oscar de la Hoya failed to avenge his losses to Shane Mosley and Felix Trinidad, who retired after being knocked out by middleweight champ Bernard Hopkins, who in turn knocked out de la Hoya.

 

Meanwhile, the heavyweight division turned into a circus when Mike Tyson started acting like a clown in the ring.

 

Pacquiao established his supremacy in the featherweight-superfeatherweight division with an exclamation point in every match. Pacquiao won two of his three matches with Morales, two by a knockout. Nobody had ever done that to Morales.

 

In late 2003, in his first fight against Barrera, Pacquiao won the first fight with such brutality that the referee had to stop the fight in the 11th round. On October 6, in their second fight, the Filipino did not need to knock Barrera out. The whole world saw who the undisputed master was—a judgment punctuated by the foul blow the Mexican gave Pacquiao while the referee was talking to them.

 

Pacquiao even did better than Ali in establishing his domination in his division. Ali had to go through hell to beat Frazier in their third fight, the “Thrilla in Manila.” Ali was even knocked down by Frazier in their first fight, and his second fight with Foreman was also aborted (some believe Foreman could have beaten him).

 

Even Leonard’s supremacy in the welterweight-middleweight wars of the 1980s is not as well-established as Pacquiao’s. Leonard only drew in his second bout with Hearns. And, to this day, some sports historians doubt Leonard’s decision win over Hagler. Leonard even failed to knock out Duran (which Hearns did easily).

 

Pound for pound the best

If there is one fighter whose dominance in his division excites boxing fans almost as much as Pacquiao does, it would be super welterweight Roger Mayweather, who is ranked number one in the pound-for-pound ranking (on the list of best fighters today). On this list Pacquiao occupies second place.

 

While Mayweather’s fight against de la Hoya got the most pay-per-views in boxing history, he has never figured in a fierce three or four-cornered fight for supremacy, as Ali, Leonard and Pacquiao did.

 

If Mayweather retires now, he may end up like Rocky Marciano—with a great fight record and a championship reign. But he would not rate among the all-time greats because he did not have formidable and accomplished rivals. Even Joe Louis is ranked higher than Marciano for the simple reason that Louis took on tough opposition. Notably, Marciano has a knock out win against an aging Louis.

 

Ricky Hatton is set to test Mayweather when the former challenges him for the superwelter-weight title. Hatton is touted to be the best boxer ever produced by Great Britain. But he is not yet regarded as a future hall of famer—like Pacquiao’s Barrera and Morales. Hatton has not also gained the stature where he can strike fear in his opponent’s hearts, the way Hearns and Duran did.

 

Likewise, Mayweather’s boxing style pales in comparison with Leonard, who also took risks and did not mind getting hit just to land his combinations. Have you ever wondered why Mayweather’s face is regarded as “pretty?”

 

Mayweather’s cautiousness (witnessed most graphically in his fight with de la Hoya) may not also sit well with fans who want more excitement. Boxing fans will always want a knockout, the way basketball fans crave for the dunk, and baseball fans for a home run. And Pacquiao delivers the exciting knockouts on a good night.

[don juan casanova]

Manny should fight Juan Manuel Marquez and not waste time for fighters like Edwin Valero he who wants to challenge Manny, he still young at the age of 28 years old he's still the top of his game, he should fight the best of his division.

[skitz]

I understand na hindi masyado kasi maganda pasok ng pera with a JMM fight

 

It's not really that Dragonei, the real reason is because JMM is a "difficult" fighter. I saw the fight this weekend. Hayop talaga ang skills ni JMM. He is not a knock-out artist, but he is the consumate boxer. A Pacman vs JMM fight would be the bull fighting the matador. As a fight fan, I want JMM to win. But as a Filipino, I want Pacman to win. Medyo hati ang puso ko dito. But, loyalty to country/man wins in the end. Hehehehe... PACMAN pa rin.

 

I'm sure Pacman himself is dying to get his hands on JMM. He wants to prove himself (IMHO, he lost the first fight to JMM... though it was adjudged a draw). The fighter in Manny wants to settle the score once and for all. But his managers, wisely, would rather take this DIFFICULT fight somewhere later in the day. Perhaps 2-3 fights more (for both fighters) and if neither one loses, then this fight becomes INEVITABLE! At ang good side nito, dahil hinog sa puno ang laban, siguradong MEGA-DOLLAR BLOCKBUSTER EVENT ITO... there would be no need to even drum-up interest. This is the fight real fight fans want to see.

 

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P.S. f#&k you again DYAN CASTILLEJO... SHET, even in a fight not involving Osacr dela Hoya, you had to go out of your way to mention him. Putang inang hayskul crush yan... pakantot ka na lang kay golden boy para matigil ka na... stop ruining good fights with your inane color commentary... Argh, and I thought boxing is the last refuge of us men to escape the kikayness of women... again, f#&k you DYAN!

[MRyoso]

pacman should face jmm! stop ducking. if you really want to prove that you are the best in the division, you should fight the best. go for the title!

 

another excuse that pacman and his camp will make is that a fight with jmm has no money! WTF! the people are asking for it!

fight JMM before moving up to fight the diaze's.

[don juan casanova]

Well it all comes down with money and popularity not the legacy which is full of s@%t... there are lot of good fighters outder who have what it takes but can't prove it.

[dragonei]

It's not really that Dragonei, the real reason is because JMM is a "difficult" fighter. I saw the fight this weekend. Hayop talaga ang skills ni JMM. He is not a knock-out artist, but he is the consumate boxer. A Pacman vs JMM fight would be the bull fighting the matador. As a fight fan, I want JMM to win. But as a Filipino, I want Pacman to win. Medyo hati ang puso ko dito. But, loyalty to country/man wins in the end. Hehehehe... PACMAN pa rin.

 

I'm sure Pacman himself is dying to get his hands on JMM. He wants to prove himself (IMHO, he lost the first fight to JMM... though it was adjudged a draw). The fighter in Manny wants to settle the score once and for all. But his managers, wisely, would rather take this DIFFICULT fight somewhere later in the day. Perhaps 2-3 fights more (for both fighters) and if neither one loses, then this fight becomes INEVITABLE! At ang good side nito, dahil hinog sa puno ang laban, siguradong MEGA-DOLLAR BLOCKBUSTER EVENT ITO... there would be no need to even drum-up interest. This is the fight real fight fans want to see.

 

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P.S. f#&k you again DYAN CASTILLEJO... SHET, even in a fight not involving Osacr dela Hoya, you had to go out of your way to mention him. Putang inang hayskul crush yan... pakantot ka na lang kay golden boy para matigil ka na... stop ruining good fights with your inane color commentary... Argh, and I thought boxing is the last refuge of us men to escape the kikayness of women... again, f#&k you DYAN!

 

 

Grabe ha sobra galit kay dyan. O easy lang easy lang

 

Anyway Marquez is obviously an outside fighter, he boxes with finesse and calculated rhythm. He usually starts out slow but works like a steam engine. At talagang ang galing ng footing nya. Manny will definetly have his hands full. I thought that JMM won that first square off with MAnny. Manny got a little confident after that knockdown points he got. He will definetly have his hands full with JMM. Brawling wont work here

 

Pero un na nga, stop ducking and making excuses. Now is the perfect time na labanan nya na si Marquez. If I am not mistaken WBC is already pressuring manny to fight for that title. Ilang taon na siyang number 1 contender tapos di naman lumalaban for the title.

 

Ok pera pera nga lang ang boxing. But the good fights is where the money is at. A lot of people got disappointed with that Solis fight. Mas tataas market value ni Manny once matalo niya si Marquez, because a lot more will challenge him in his division

[jerzz]

pacman should face jmm! stop ducking. if you really want to prove that you are the best in the division, you should fight the best. go for the title!

 

another excuse that pacman and his camp will make is that a fight with jmm has no money! WTF! the people are asking for it!

fight JMM before moving up to fight the diaze's.

 

Boxing nowadays is ALL ABOUT MONEY

 

The big money fight would be Pacquiao vs David Diaz (WBC Lightweight Champion) or Manny vs Juan Diaz (WBO, IBF, WBA Lightweight Champion)

 

Both Lightweight Champs are brawlers and will not give an inch. Walang urungan dito matira ang matibay, tulog kung tulog. That is what the people wants and Manny wants to challenge for the Lightweight Crown as he is having a hard time with 130lbs.

 

We know that JMM will not mixed it out, he will counterpunch but will not engage in a fight to finish brawl. Ayoko na makakita nung kagaya ng Pacquaio & Barrera na ayaw lumaban yung isa.

Edited November 5, 2007 by jerzz