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finally, they realized!!!!!

Azkals woes highlight need to develop locals

By Olmin Leyba (The Philippine Star) Updated November 09, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The lack of cohesion bogging the Philippine under-23 Azkals in the 26th Southeast Asian Games has emphasized once again the need to develop more home-grown talents committed to train together for longer periods.

“(Team manager) Dan Palami and (coach Michael) Weiss have the best of intentions. Dan spent to get the best (players from Europe). But football is teamwork. You can’t achieve it in three days or one week of practice,” said Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) chairman Monico Puentevella, also a member of the advisory council of the Philippine Football Federation (PFF).

For this campaign, team management has assembled a combo of local-based players and pros plying their trade in Europe, like Roland Muller, Manny Ott, Jeffrey Christiaens and Carli de Murga. The Euro-based booters only joined the team in Indonesia already, in time for their first game.

The U23 Azkals dropped a 1-3 loss to Vietnam and a 1-2 setback to darkhorse Timor Leste as their semifinal bid got dimmer each game day.

“Our players in the under-23 are not short of talent. But to put them in the field to play as a team, you need more time of playing together,” observed Philippine Sports Commission chairman Richie Garcia.

Puentevella batted for a stronger grassroots development program.

“I guess we can’t rely on the guys from outside all the time. Grassroots must be strengthened. We must go back to the drawing board,” said Puentevella.

Weiss said he’s already entertaining the idea of tapping more locals next time, but asked for a more tempered expectation from Filipino fans.

“A lot of these boys are very young; they can still play in 2013 SEA Games. The hopes in the Philippines now are way too high; we should lower our expectations, work hard, and continue to build up players who are having the right heart beat and not thinking themselves as superstars because somebody admires them in the Philippines.

“I should very well think who to bring here for this tournament, one idea is to bring more local players and see how they can compete in international exposure,” he said.

The U23 Azkals stand at the rear in Group B with no point to show after two games. Timor Leste holds the unlikely lead with six points (two wins) followed by Vietnam and Myanmar with identical four points (1-1-0), and Laos and Brunei with one apiece (0-1-1).

Phl XI battles Laos on Friday, Myanmar on Sunday and Brunei in Tuesday, gunning for victories while hoping the leaders wouldn’t pile up the points to keep their slim chance for the semis.

But Weiss himself is practically conceding a place in the medal rounds.

“We have to think now of the immediate strategy as the tournament is most likely not on us. We do not even have to think of the semifinals,” the German mentor said.

from inside. caguioa has a terrible attitude problem. he's feeling the stardom way beyond his head. he doesn't follow patterns and plays (bwakaw and uncooperative sa team) because he thinks he's a superstar messiah of the team. the coaching staff is disciplining him. and the team owners gave tanquincen full authority. even the teammates is feeling it.

Whatever happened to Caguioa or the coaching staff?? I was watching the game at the BigDome last Sunday, ni hindi sya starter? Tapos limited minutes? Tapos nung 4Q, saglit lang pinasok then nilabas agad. Parang inis pa sya nung inilabas sya agad.

TRUE! the pacman camp was so surprised with gayweathers announcement. wethinks its a way of pushing us against the wall into submission. there was no new negotiations. only feelers from the gay's camp. but we haven't agreed yet.

lol sorry for the last post. here the clear one.

 

 

MANILA, Philippines – Manny Pacquiao’s adviser Michael Koncz said there is no truth to claims made by the camp of Floyd Mayweather Jr. that they have agreed for a superfight in May next year.

 

Koncz said they haven’t been in touch with Mayweather’s camp.

 

“How can he set the date, how can he set the venue without consulting with your opponent?” Koncz told veteran sports scribe Ronnie Nathanielsz in Boxingscene.com.

 

Mayweather’s adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, earlier announced that his client is “looking forward to make the biggest fight possible” on May 5, 2012.

 

"Everyone knows what that fight is, the little fella," Ellerbe said, referring to Pacquiao.

 

But Koncz said Mayweather’s camp “has not spoken to anybody that has the authority to negotiate.”

 

“They have not spoken to Bob Arum and they have not spoken to me,” he said.

 

Koncz said Mayweather is just trying to get attention as Pacquiao’s fight date against Juan Manuel Marquez approaches.

 

Koncz said that unlike Mayweather, Pacquiao has no time for such nonsense.

 

“We’ve been working on endorsements which are not Mickey Mouse $100,000 but multi-million dollar deals,” said Koncz.

u23 lost to vietnam. well what can we do? until we start recognizing our hour grown and mga pango na players we will not move forward. we will keep on relying sa mga fil-(whatever} na who will be part of our azkals only when they have free time. and they will be allowed by their home team (most likely YES!) because they are banko or second rate players in their european home leagues

nope we're fourth

nanalo ba ang Phil team for 3rd place?

chieffy caligdong vs david beckham. younghusband is hype. chiefly is pure talent. di nga lang mestiso.

James Younghusband vs David Beckham!

damn! korea again! but seriously these are the boys that we should start training for the future national team ngayon pa lang.

Fiba Asia U16: PH Youth bows to Korea, ends world berth bid

By Jasmine W. Payo

Philippine Daily Inquirer

NHA TRANG,Vietnam—A familiar basketball nemesis dealt the Philippines another heartbreak.

 

The Energen Pilipinas Under-16 team's bid for a historicworld berth came to an end as South Korea handed the young Nationals its firstloss, 67-58, in the Fiba Asia U16 semifinals Thursday night at the Khanh HoaSports Center here.

 

In a run fueled by Henry Asilum, the Philippines came withina basket twice, the last at 58-60, after trailing by as many as 13 points,44-57 in the second half.

 

But Korea held the Philippines scoreless in the final sixminutes as the young Nationals also started missing even at close range.

 

Asilum and Jay Alejandro paced the Philippines with 12 pointseach.

 

The loss relegated the Philippines to a bronze-medal battleagainst Japan on Friday afternoon.

 

Hoon Heo torched the Philippines with a game-high 22 points,while Nakhyeon Kim and Gookchan Kim had 16 points apiece.

 

Heo, son of the legendary Hur Jae, drilled seven points in a12-2 tear that gave Korea its first double-digit advantage, 37-27, after adeadlock at 25 late in the first half.

 

The hot-shooting Koreans continued to sizzle in the thirdperiod, extending the lead to as many as 13 points, 57-44.

 

Defending champion China, the only unbeaten team inseven games, and South Korea will dispute the crown Friday in a rematch of the2009 edition's championship.

 

Both finalists will represent Asia in the 2012 Fiba U17 WorldChampionship from July 17 to 26 in Kaunas, Lithuania.

 

Boasting a pair of seven-footers, China downed Japan, 82-43,in the other semifinal match last night.

 

A win by the young Nationals could have been historic as noother Philippine basketball team in any division has reached the WorldChampionship for over 30 years.

 

Manila's hosting of the 1978 Fiba Worlds was the last time aPhilippine team reached this lofty stage, where American coach Ron Jacobssteered the country to an eighth-place finish.

 

An all-amateur National squad (National Consolidated Cement)also qualified in the Worlds after topping the 1985 Asian Championship in Kuala Lumpur, but the team disbanded due to the 1986 People Power.

 

The boys' loss added to the many heartbreaks that South Koreadealt the Philippines in past international campaigns.

 

Just last month, Korea pulled off an incrediblecome-from-behind win over Smart Gilas Pilipinas, 70-68, in the battle for thebronze in the Fiba Asia Men's Championship in Wuhan, China.

 

The Philippines also had a meltdown in the 2002 Asian Games whereOlsen Racela—now the youth team's coach–bungled two crucial free throws beforeLee Sang-min buried a triple at the buzzer that spoiled the country's bid toadvance to the gold-medal match against China.

 

Theseeming jinx continued in the 2009 Fiba Asia in Tianjin, China where theNationals blew the lead and lost seventh place to the Koreans.

 

Lastyear, Smart Gilas also absorbed a Korean setback in the quarterfinals of theGuangzhou Asian Games.

 

"Ireminded the players that I've played Korea in the past, I've seen them playour recent teams and we know we cant relax," Racela said the night before histeam's crucial match.

 

"ThisKorean team is no different from the others. Their three-point shot is a bigfactor, that's what we have to contain."

 

Beforethe Korean loss, the young Nationals were on a a six-game roll, the last an82-69 stunner over West Asian champion Iraq in the quarterfinals.

 

An upsetover Japan (83-72) also capped the team's 5-0 sweep of the first two rounds.

 

ThePhilippines, the reigning champion in the Southeast Asian BasketballAssociation (Seaba), routed Indonesia (93-30) and Vietnam (111-25) in thepreliminaries, before cruising past Qatar (107-28) and Saudi Arabia (100-42) inthe second round.

 

The scores:

SOUTH KOREA 67–Heo 22, Kim N. 16, Kim G. 16, Kim M. 7, Lee 2, Yun 2, Park 2,Koh 0, Shin 0,

PHILIPPINES 58—Asilum 12, Alejandro 12, Javelosa 7, Diputado 6, Ramos 6, Rivero6, Cani 5, Lao 4, Heading 0.

 

Quarters: 19-21, 37-29, 58-50, 67-58

Deja vu tsk tsk i think a team with more experience would not have folded to the pressure that easy.. hopefully they would still have the energy to go for the bronze medal since it would be a better finish than the Kiefer Ravena led team that place fourth.

what a heartbreaker for shopinas. naawa ako ke shiela lina. charge to experience.

read this article in the papers too this morning. these are homegrown boys! except dalafu and heading.

I agree.. they just beat the Japanese team by 11 points (closest margin so far from ave. of 71.5 points for the 5 previous games) and topped Group F and will face the Iraqi team that is ranked no. 4 while advancing to the quarterfinals together with Lebanon and Japan. The team is also lucky to avoid an early showdown with China who has also a 5-0 record and has been very dominant against its opponents in Group E..

 

The 6'4" local player i was referring to is Prince Rivero who is a member of the National University team that won its first ever junior UAAP crown. Other notable players in the team that are potential Gilas mainstays are Kyles Lao, Rev Diputado, Henry Asilum (dished 7 assist against the Saudi team), Jay Alejandro (Mapua standout who scored 34 points against Japan), Fil-Am Nick Dalafu, Hubert Cani, Tomas Ramos and Fil-Aussie Jordan Heading.

FIBA-Asia U-16 notes*: India's 15-year-old, 7-1 Satnam Singh Bhamara has scored 73 points in the last two games, including 41 in a 78-66 loss to South Korea Monday and 32 in another 64-72 defeat to Iraq yesterday...Bhamara's father is reportedly two inches taller than him and his grandma is 6-9 tall...Korean sharpshooter Heo Hoon made his presence felt by firing a tournament best 31 points in a showdown with Bhamara. His father is Korean legend Hur Jae, who steered the Koreans to a bronze medal finish in last month's FIBA-Asia Championship in Wuhan, China.

*courtesy of Philstar.com

Another player to watch is from Team China is its agile 7'1" center, Zhou Qi (listed as just 15-year old) who is deemed as the next Yao Ming or the next Chinese basketball hope. He scored 19 points while dominating the Korean team with the final score of 73-42 and playing for 16 minutes only.

read this article in the papers too this morning. these are homegrown boys! except dalafu and heading.

I agree.. they just beat the Japanese team by 11 points (closest margin so far from ave. of 71.5 points for the 5 previous games) and topped Group F and will face the Iraqi team that is ranked no. 4 while advancing to the quarterfinals together with Lebanon and Japan. The team is also lucky to avoid an early showdown with China who has also a 5-0 record and has been very dominant against its opponents in Group E..

 

The 6'4" local player i was referring to is Prince Rivero who is a member of the National University team that won its first ever junior UAAP crown. Other notable players in the team that are potential Gilas mainstays are Kyles Lao, Rev Diputado, Henry Asilum (dished 7 assist against the Saudi team), Jay Alejandro (Mapua standout who scored 34 points against Japan), Fil-Am Nick Dalafu, Hubert Cani, Tomas Ramos and Fil-Aussie Jordan Heading.

FIBA-Asia U-16 notes*: India's 15-year-old, 7-1 Satnam Singh Bhamara has scored 73 points in the last two games, including 41 in a 78-66 loss to South Korea Monday and 32 in another 64-72 defeat to Iraq yesterday...Bhamara's father is reportedly two inches taller than him and his grandma is 6-9 tall...Korean sharpshooter Heo Hoon made his presence felt by firing a tournament best 31 points in a showdown with Bhamara. His father is Korean legend Hur Jae, who steered the Koreans to a bronze medal finish in last month's FIBA-Asia Championship in Wuhan, China.

*courtesy of Philstar.com

Another player to watch is from Team China is its agile 7'1" center, Zhou Qi (listed as just 15-year old) who is deemed as the next Yao Ming or the next Chinese basketball hope. He scored 19 points while dominating the Korean team with the final score of 73-42 and playing for 16 minutes only.

this team is going somewhere

Energen Pilipinas U16 team downs Japan, faces Iraq in q’finals

By Sid Ventura | Sportsaholic – 15 hours ago

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The Philippine under-16 men's basketball team, known as Energen Pilipinas, streaked to its fifth straight victory in the ongoing FIBA-Asia U16 Championships in Nha Trang, Vietnam, beating Japan 83-72 to top its pre-quarterfinal group with a perfect 5-0 record.

The win over Japan set up a quarterfinal knockout match on Wednesday against Group E fourth-placer Iraq, the West Asian champion. Should the Nationals get by the Iraqis, they will advance to the semifinals and assure themselves of at least equaling the fourth-place finish of the 2009 team that was led by Kiefer Ravena.

After bamboozling their previous four opponents by an average of more than 70 points, the Filipino boys were finally up against an opponent that posed a challenge. Japan, which entered the game also unbeaten in four games, led 22-21 after the first period behind the 11 points of Yusei Sugiura. It was still a close 34-33 score in the Philippines' favor with 3:52 left in the second period when Jay Alejandro poured in 10 points in a 14-3 Energen Pilipinas run that gave the Nationals a 48-36 spread heading into the second half.

The Philippines briefly went up by 15 points early in the third period after Rev Diputado's three-point play made it 51-36, but Yudai Baba scored 11 of his 26 points in the next six minutes, including a split that brought the Japanese to within six at 60-54, 3:41 left in the third. The Nationals responded by scoring 10 of the next 13 points to end the third with a 70-57 bulge.

Alejandro then put the finishing touches on his 36-point explosion by scoring seven straight points in the fourth, including a triple that gave Energen Pilipinas its biggest lead at 77-59 with only 5:32 left. Japan would get no closer than 11 points the rest of the way.

A graduating high school senior at Malayan High, Alejandro went 16-for-28 from the field and helped out on the defensive end with a game-high seven blocks. Diputado, who hails from Cebu, added 14 points. NU's Hubert Cani was the third Filipino in double digits with 10 markers.

Energen Pilipinas is missing some key players from San Beda and La Salle Greenhills, the two schools that are disputing the NCAA juniors crown. But they haven't missed a beat so far in these championships.

Iraq, though, looms as a rather unpredictable foe. The team won the West Asian Championship, then lost its first game in the tournament to Korea, 70-73. After routing Uzbekistan by 68, the Iraqis fell to West Asia runner-up Lebanon, 68-75. In the second round, Iraq lost to defending champion China by 41, then needed overtime to repulse Group E cellar dweller Chinese Taipei. They clinched the last quarterfinal slot in their group by beating India, 72-64.

China was the only other unbeaten team left in the tourney after brushing aside the challenge of Korea, 73-42, in Group E to match the Philippines' 5-0 record. The Chinese will face Saudi Arabia in their quarterfinal match. The two other quarterfinal match-ups will see Japan tackle Lebanon and Korea take on surprise quarterfinalist Indonesia.

i watched norwood in their game kanina and yes you're right he can play pg. baka this is one of the answers to manny pangilinan's search for tall guards.

yes sir Gabe is capable he played both as an SG and PG during his GMU days nung naglalaro pa sya sa GMU

smart gilas is not toroman's program. it's sbp's. there will be smart gilas even without toroman. toroman's program should be the team's system and brand of play. and there's none. ergo...

now u agree that it was a three year program? but on ur earlier post u said toroman never had a program. youre contradicting yourself.

 

ang trending ng topic kung may program ba si toroman o wala. eh ano ba talaga tingin mo mayroon bang program o wala? yes or no na lang para di ka malito sa sinasabi mo. di ka pa mahihirapan mag explain.

looks ok. ako lang i would still add alapag. i think he is still the best PG we have that suits local and intl tournaments despite his size (is norwood of capable of point guard position?). and a tall medium range spot up player. the likes of tony dela cruz of alaska.

A team composed of 66.7% from the PBA does not work as shown by the previous teams that were formed half cooked and last minute without any real cohesion. Besides, their mother teams interest always comes first with the multi-million investment they've made to these players and the risk of injuries that it may result. I'd say continue a program of having players mostly/majority from the amateurs with longer contract this time around and at least 2 naturalized players while continuing to scout for Fil-am players elsewhere. My bet of players are :

 

1st Five:

C - MarcusDouthit 6'11"

PF/SF - Japeth Aguilar[/colo 6'9"

SF/PF - Aldrech Ramos 6'6"

SG - Bobby Ray Parks 6'3"

PG - Paul Lee 6'1" (kaso tumaggi nato noon)

 

2nd Five:

C - Greg Slaughter 7'0"

PF - Jun Fajardo 6'9" (player todevelop)

SF - Arwind Santos 6'6"

SG - Cris Tiu 5'11"

PG - Kiefer Ravena 5'11"

 

Other player options :

SF/G – Chris Lutz 6'4"

SF - Marcio Lassiter 6'4"

SF – Mike Silungan 6'3"

SF/G – Alex Nuyles 6'2"

SG – Calvin Abueva 6'2"

SF/G – Jeric Teng 6'2"

SG– Kevin Ferrer 6'2"

PG –Lester Alvarez 5'9"

PG– RR Garcia 5'10"

PG– Jeric Fortuna 5'7"

PF/C – Arnold Van Opstal 6'9" (player to develop)

PF– Norbert Torres 6'7" (player to develop)

PF/C – Another naturalized player or fil-am playerpref 7'0"

 

*red font are current PBA players

sorry nakatuwaan lang. I'm sure some of the younger generation doesn't know this song by gary granada. here's the original:

but when they (gordons that time) won the championship there were some changes in the lyrics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7tU_rjvDGI&feature=related

sequence doesn't mean anything. changes and rigodons happened all throughout. in fact even at the last minute. chot reyes was never really critical of toroman. they have the same boss. si yeng 'foul-mouthed' guiao lang.

it was a 3-year program that ended 2 weeks before the olympic qualifier (the main goal). thats why in 2 weeks time they had to scramble for the final line-up.

u said toroman never had a program? and built a team around douthit and took it from there?

i just cant believe what i read.

baliktad ang pagkakaintindi mo kapatid.

fyi, smart gilas was already a team when douthit came. it was a 3 year program.

douthit was in the team for a year. ibig sabihin may smart gilas na bago pa dumating si douthit.

another proof of this was there were a few american and even a serbian who played for smart but never got toromans nod as the teams naturalized player. so how could u say that the team was built around douthit?

 

do u mind me asking, si yeng guiao ka ba? o si chot reyes?

chieffy caligdong of azkals (this is not limited to basketball, right?)

what do you think of this? parang we can naman. SEA games is not as competitive as Asian games. but this will be interesting. how our collegiate players will fare and how norman black will handle the team.

SEA Games five can survive without Douthit, says Black

By Jasmine W. Payo

Philippine Daily Inquirer

9:49 pm | Friday, October 7th, 2011

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MANILA—The collegiate-based national basketball team set to see action in the Southeast Asian Games still has enough firepower even with naturalized center Marcus Douthit likely skipping the regional tournament set in Jakarta next month.

National coach Norman Black said the squad still has the “most talented players” led by Ateneo star Greg Slaughter even if Douthit decides to play for the Foshan Dralions in the Chinese league.

“With the talent level of this team offensively, we can probably go out and run,” Black said in yesterday’s Scoop Forum at Kamayan Padre Faura.

“We’ll be a fastbreaking team, but at the same time, I’m more concerned on the defensive end of the court. They know the system already, and now, we just have to work on the execution.”

The 6-foot-11 Douthit, whose contract with Smart Gilas expires by the end of the year, has received a five-month offer to play as an import in China.

Black said the young Philippine squad still boasts a solid cast of big men led by the seven-foot Slaughter, San Sebastian’s Ian Sangalang and Far Eastern University’s Aldrech Ramos, whom the multititled mentor plans to invite if Douthit begs off.

Although the team has submitted its 12-man lineup to the SEA Games, Black said he’ll still likely tweak the roster. Teams are allowed to change their lineups until the managers’ meeting.

“We haven’t really settled on the final 12 yet,” said Black, who just steered Ateneo to a fourth straight UAAP championship.

“We have a pool of 18 players and we’ll choose from there. On chemistry, I don’t see that as a problem if you can get guys committed to just one goal, which is to win the championship. The players are willing to sacrifice, they have good attitude and they work hard.”

Aside from Slaughter, Black tapped Ateneo standouts Nico Salva, Kiefer Ravena, Emman Monfort and Justin Chua.

National University’s Ray Parks and Far Eastern University’s RR Garcia, the MVPs in the last two UAAP seasons, are also in the national pool along with University of Santo Tomas’ Jeric Teng, San Sebastian’s Ian Sangalang and Ronald Pascual, San Beda’s Jake Pascual and Garvo Lanete.

Rounding up the pool are Smart Gilas skipper Chris Tiu and Filipino-Americans Clifford Hodge and Chris Ellis of PBA D-League champion NLEX, Chris Newsome and Keith Jensen.

“We have the most talented players in this part of the world, but of course we can’t really bank on that going into the tournament,” said Black. “You have to get the team together and make sure they’re well-trained. Right now, everybody’s committed to go full speed and we have five weeks to get it done.”

what do you think cagouia is asking too much of a superstar bordering on the mayabang. soooo not ginebra! we're supposed to be underdogs

ginebra is not the ginebra before. they are loosing ground. and they're loosing us.

ts not correct to say that we never had international experience. for the past 2 years thats all gilas did. get international experience. thats the program of smart (not to roman's). problem is the players who got international experience were DROPPED at the last minute. toroman all of a sudden realized at the last minute that the players that he got were not good! (although i think he should stuck with them and added douthit) toroman invented excuses to get rid of the players he trained and demanded to get pba players from pangilinan.

in short, with the support that toroman got, i don't think there should be any excuses! worse: consolation prizes!. he failed plain and simple. lets look for someone who can deliver. because we know for a fact that WE CAN!

I agree.. those were the days. ngayon, hanggang South East Asia na lang tayo kinukuha since almost sila na lang kaya nating i-dominate.

 

Wag naman sanang si Chot Reyes ang kunin ulit na coach ng Gilas since pang-PBA lang ang style ng game nya. If not Toroman sana someone with rich international experience although i prefer na i-retain pa din kunin for continuity's sake. Coach Baldwin of Jordan hit the nail on the head when he said that the Phil. team is very inexperienced in the international scene and it was only because of Toroman that we were still able to overcome it. Sad reality but true since the PBA brand of play is not the same or in the same level as that of the international game. Gone where the days when we think the players that play in it are the best in Asia. Maganda lang sya panoorin (flashy individual plays) but it wouldn't bring us back the gold in Asia nor qualify in the olympics.

sorry i mean toroman NEVER had a program.

toroman had a program. he merely formed a team around douthit and took it from there.

toroman had a program. he merely formed a team around douthit and took it from there.

sir junix, thats precisely what im talking about.

sayang talaga ang program ni coach rajko.

 

if theres one thing that mvp could learn from boss danding as a basketball patriarch is this.

boss danding stuck it out with ron jacobs and his boys come hell or high water.